Eu-Accounts.com - thoridasl - cristian.puf21 - Account Recovery - No Refund

BERAccounts.com · Apr 20, 2021

Information
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Date the problem begain: 13 April 2021

Other information: Account has been recovered by original owner, seller is not able to retrieve it back and he doesn't want to refund for that either.

DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-...ow-eu-accounts-sellers-on-the-market.1456758/
Approximate value of property: $1500-2000 USD

Other details / notes: @Tec6686 has been purchased this account from Eu-Accounts. After few months, I've purchased this account from @Tec6686 and sold it to one of my customers. At April 13, my customer reported that account has been recalled. After I notice to seller, he wasn't able to retrieve his account back and he is also refusing to refund.

thoridasl · Apr 20, 2021

I'll be clear on this matter as I was from start.

I've purchased the account with 750€ from the owner and sold it to https://www.epicnpc.com/members/tec6686.795989/. Our talk and deal was made via skype, he had me in his list for years before. The deal for this account was concluded in the date of 3rd APRIL 2019. Total cash received, 950€ - PROFIT: 200€ at that time.

He agreed on our warranty policy: https://www.eu-accounts.com/refund_warranty

”Important NOTES:
NEVER ASK FOR A REFUND IF:

B. Selling the account to a third party will void the Lifetime Warranty. ”

On the date of 13 of APRIL 2021, both Bera and @Tec6686 contacted me with an issue for a recalled account, with two different stories.

@Tec6686 said he sold it long time ago to a client of his and Bera was the middle man - SCREENSHOTS HERE:

https://imgur.com/a/8OzTwP0

Bera said he bought it from @Tec6686 and sold it to one of his clients. SCREENSHOTS HERE:

https://imgur.com/a/GzM4Wnz

I have confirmed that i'll try contacting the old owner to see what happened.

Today, 20 of april 2021, Bera contacted me to see if old owner responded, which in the matter of fact, didn't - tried calling, mailing him, no answer at all, yet. an IRL Friend of his, who's also a client of mine, couldn't get a hold of him yet too -.

Seeing that, Bera asked for an instant refund, repeating the fact that he BOUGHT the account and sold it, and that he wasn't the middleman into this. I refused to refund, tried explaining him that @Tec6686 was my client and my warranty states between me and him, he started threatening with this dispute which he did minutes later, SCREENSHOTS HERE:

https://imgur.com/a/1VeeRdI

(Of course, Bera wanted to do this from years ago, as he hates me for not accepting to delete this thread when he scammed us: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1067035-Bera336-Recalls-account-in-less-than-1-day-from-purchase)

So I am here to say this:

1. MY deal was made with @Tec6686 privately, via skype. He agreed on the terms of sale and warranty.
2. I've found out 2 years later that the account was sold to someone else. So, the warranty that I can cover was compromised.
3. Bera posted a picture of an account mail-change received from blizzard. That's not in any case a proof of an account recall, specially on this account.
4. Bera lied @Tec6686 saying he'll be middleman on this but he did re-sold it to his own client. Then of course, without even notifying me of this, he probably sold it to his client for double price as he states on the dispute ”Approximate value of property: $1500-2000 USD”

Bera is responsible for his sale, as he was the reseller in the case and sold it for double of the price @Tec6686 paid me for, probably Bera's client lost the account and someone else changed the mail of the account.

P.S: Just to add, Bera's warranty policy says that he's buying his accounts from Original owners only, and also that the client must keep the email unchanged. I can see from screenshot he uploaded that client used his own email on account, and Bera didn't even noticed me for buying/selling this account over, so he passed over his own terms.

https://imgur.com/a/enOIeHx

I cannot be and I will not accept to be called in any way or dragged to be responsible into this matter.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 20, 2021

It is very simple, you are responsible for what you are selling there. There is an account that is recovered by the original owner and you admit that you couldn't reach to original owner via any channel for restore it back. As I told you previously, you can just refund 950 EUR to Alex which he paid to you for that product. Afterwards, I can get my refund from him directly.

EpicNPC CM · Apr 21, 2021

What day was the account purchased and what day was it recalled?

@thoridasl did you purchase the account from someone on epicnpc?

BERAccounts.com · Apr 21, 2021

Recovery date is April 13, 2021.

thoridasl · Apr 21, 2021

I don’t know if the old owner has an account here, I’ll send you privately mail/skype so you can search.

I have bought it and sold it to @Tec6686 on 3rd April 2019, as said on previous post.

When did Bera bought it from @Tec6686 ? When did he re-sold it? As he was supposed to be middle man.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 21, 2021

Account has been sold at 20 May 2020 and recovered at 13 April 2021.

thoridasl said:
As he was supposed to be middle man.

Also I don't understand why are you keep repeating that over and over again. I can sell a product by myself and I can sell products for other people's behalf. There is an account which is clearly recovered by it's original owner and all that 'middlemanship topic' has no relation with our subject. I don't demand anything extra other than amount that Alex paid to you., I will refund missing part to the customer by myself.

EpicNPC CM · Apr 22, 2021

Has anyone opened a support ticket with blizzard to try and recover the account?

If not, please do so and then we can go from there.

thoridasl · Apr 22, 2021

I'll invite Bera to do so as he said when I asked that it was not necessary from start, being sure a support ticket would be useless.

As he sold it in the past years, he can do the ticket as well, as he knows who had it and what they did with it.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 22, 2021

I have no reason to make a ticket without anything that would help me to retrieve account back. Thoridasl should do it since he has more information than I have.

EpicNPC CM · Apr 23, 2021

Please update once one of you gets a response from support.

The longer we wait the longer the dispute will take.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 23, 2021

EpicNPC CM said:
Please update once one of you gets a response from support.

The longer we wait the longer the dispute will take.

Should I do it? What should I say? I have nothing for retrieve this account back and if I do that, they will flag the account and there won't be any possibility of account recovery again. Better thoridasl do that.

thoridasl · Apr 24, 2021

How did you sold the account with 0 infos?

PM me an email, I'll send infos so you can do the ticket. You know last email used by your client, character's name, etc.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 24, 2021

Just send me via private message on EpicNPC.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 26, 2021

They are requesting ID on top of a daily newspaper or magazine. I will reply to Blizzard after you send requested documents to me.

thoridasl · Apr 27, 2021

Strange thing, isn't it?

I've sent you 3 types of photos:

- national ID of old owner
- Selfie with ID of old owner in his hands
- other type of ID of old owner

If you did uploaded selfie with ID in hands and ID photo then blizzard would've asked for ID on newspaper only, not the other types too.

So most probably you didn't attach any photo to the ticket.

Seeing this I've made a ticket myself, uploading the exact photos i've sent you via PM to the ticket and mentioning the first email used by owner on creating it, thinking that would help.

Below is their answer where they note this:

We've received your case requesting assistance with recovering a Blizzard account, but were unable to move forward, as the verification provided did not match with the account's information.

This means that the account had it's account name changed to your customer and the photos I've provided does not match with current name of the account.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 27, 2021

I have uploaded 1 ID screenshot at the beginning. Reason is, If I would upload ID selfie and ID with an outdated paper, they would recognize that I purchased this account immediately. It is a common purchasing pattern that they are already aware of it. That's why they are only accepting daily newspaper and live-action ID screenshots (Such as ID next to computer screen, ID selfie with a paper and so on).

What you did is a very casual mistake to do. When I told you to create a recovery ticket, you completely ignored that request and you wanted me to do it. That's why I went for the recovery by myself. Now, you made another recovery ticket from completely different IP adress and country. You are not thinking efficiently at all. Now, account is impossible to restore without live ID screenshots. Better contact with original owner and fix that.

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thoridasl said:
I've sent you 3 types of photos:

- national ID of old owner
- Selfie with ID of old owner in his hands
- other type of ID of old owner

You didn't sent me any type of current document photos. Paper was outdated, so it has no effect or use in this case. You didn't provided requested documents.

thoridasl said:
If you did uploaded selfie with ID in hands and ID photo then blizzard would've asked for ID on newspaper only, not the other types too.

So most probably you didn't attach any photo to the ticket.

You never upload ID Selfie or ID on a newspaper unless they ask for it. Otherwise they know that you are aware of the account recovery process while you shouldn't be. That's when they ask for live-photos. So casual.

thoridasl said:
We've received your case requesting assistance with recovering a Blizzard account, but were unable to move forward, as the verification provided did not match with the account's information.

This means that the account had it's account name changed to your customer and the photos I've provided does not match with current name of the account.

Even if registered name is changed or edited on any account, it would return to original details after a successful account restoration. Also after name change, GMs are only accepting first ever registered account owner's documents for an account restoration. Also no, account hasn't been name changed previously. If they say registered details are not matching, either you are trying to restore a completely different account or [email protected] was never attached to that account.

Also I realized something very interesting. You told me that you will share everything with me for the account recovery including original mail adress. But when you sent me these registration details, you didn't shared original mail adress with me untill I asked for that. Most likely you recognized that m***@gmail.com is the original mail adress of the owner so you just tried to skip that. When I asked for it, you just randomly told me a mail adress which is [email protected]. GM's response clearly shows that this mail adress was never attached to the account that we are trying to restore. What is your proof of this email being the original mail adress of the account that I lost?

'Oh I felt down from my chair, THAT MEANS THERE WAS A NAME CHANGE!' Why every single person is trying to use name change excuses for avoid disputes and refunds? It's getting older, be creative my friend.

thoridasl · Apr 27, 2021

BERAccounts.com said:
What you did is a very casual mistake to do. When I told you to create a recovery ticket, you completely ignored that request and you wanted me to do it. That's why I went for the recovery by myself. Now, you made another recovery ticket from completely different IP adress and country. You are not thinking efficiently at all. Now, account is impossible to restore without live ID screenshots. Better contact with original owner and fix that.

I did a normal ticket recovery, using the photos and mentioning about the first used email by the OO, which is [email protected] - not [email protected], as I've told you - Of course, couldn't provide access to it as it was his main email from which i've changed it, back in 2019.

BERAccounts.com said:
You didn't sent me any type of current document photos. Paper was outdated, so it has no effect or use in this case. You didn't provided requested documents.

Non-sense, again. I did sent you photo with ID, selfie of OO holding ID - that ID expires on SEPTEMBER 2021 - so its not OUTDATED, as you say. Other photo? It's a birth national certificate they have there, in their country. No expiration date.

BERAccounts.com said:
Also no, account hasn't been name changed previously.

Bring proof of that.

Gm response to my ticket says something else. And yea, the GM saw the photos I've uploaded, saw the name, saw the first mail. IF it was about ANOTHER account, he would've asked which account we talking about. But wasn't the case, he just said that the account doesn't have that information - of course, which information could be beside name?? So yea, casual enough.

Do not drag me into your issues and lose my time.

Let me be clear: I did what I had to help you out.

You never told me that you bought the account from my client, never asked for any infos regarding the OO / battle.net. You probably re-sold it more than once. I don't know what happened and I don't care.

I'm not responsible of that and for now i'm wasting my time here, with you. Which, btw, you are not my client.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 27, 2021

thoridasl said:
Of course, couldn't provide access to it as it was his main email from which i've changed it, back in 2019.

I didn't asked for mail access. What I am asking for is, proof that [email protected] is the original mail adress of that account. He must have mention about [email protected] as original mail adress while doing his delivery. Just take a video of that specific phase of conversation and share it.

thoridasl said:
Non-sense, again. I did sent you photo with ID, selfie of OO holding ID - that ID expires on SEPTEMBER 2021 - so its not OUTDATED, as you say. Other photo? It's a birth national certificate they have there, in their country. No expiration date.

You are sticking subjects that won't bring any benefit for you. Documents that I have is not enough to perform a recovery. I also think that you are lying about original mail adress.

thoridasl said:
Bring proof of that.

Gm response to my ticket says something else. And yea, the GM saw the photos I've uploaded, saw the name, saw the first mail. IF it was about ANOTHER account, he would've asked which account we talking about. But wasn't the case, he just said that the account doesn't have that information - of course, which information could be beside name?? So yea, casual enough.

Do not drag me into your issues and lose my time.

Let me be clear: I did what I had to help you out.

You never told me that you bought the account from my client, never asked for any infos regarding the OO / battle.net. You probably re-sold it more than once. I don't know what happened and I don't care.

I'm not responsible of that and for now i'm wasting my time here, with you. Which, btw, you are not my client.

Also no need to mention about you advertising name change service on your website and Skype. I couldn't take screenshot of your Skype due to you blocking me but I found that.

Also interestingly, you refused to make a recovery ticket for more than a week. But suddenly, you decided to make an account recovery while knowing that I was doing that. It is totally non-sense. No he wouldn't ask for that. Simply you tried to restore an existing account that has different creation informations. You might create a new account with matching first name (since it will be visible on ticket) and different last name and then try to restore it with ID that doesn't match for get that response. What you claim is not possible. Either you are trying to restore another account or you are just trying to fake that.

I can purchase whatever I want from whoever I want. It is not your business and it has no effect on that subjcet at all. Currently account has been recovered by original owner and you are responsible about everything you market in this platform. Simple as that.

thoridasl · Apr 27, 2021

BERAccounts.com said:
Also no need to mention about you advertising name change service on your website and Skype. I couldn't take screenshot of your Skype due to you blocking me but I found that.

Of course, It's my website, I do advertise whatever I want on it, isn't it?

Or do I have to ask for your approval, child?

BERAccounts.com said:
Currently account has been recovered by original owner and you are responsible about everything you market in this platform. Simple as that.

I haven't ”marketed” this account, for your propper english, on this platform. Simple as that. Was not delivered/advertised here, but on my own website. I do business as I want, too.

Not gonna waste more time explaining that YOU are not my client, you sold and re-sold the account on your own, I am not and I won't accept being accused of anything or to be taken responsible for your account loss.

And yes, the original email was that, believe it or not. If Mike wants, he can do the ticket himself to blizzard with the info I have and used on my ticket. You'll see he'll get same answer.

Still want to see that proof that the account had same name when it was retrieved, as you said.

Adoxia · Apr 27, 2021

Stop arguing. The only request was that either of you open a support ticket.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 28, 2021

You cannot even proof that this was the original mail of the account. You shoot yourself from the foot when you showed that GM response. Also you cannot advertise name change service not even in your website if you are working in this platform.

EpicNPC CM · Apr 29, 2021

If neither of you can recall the account chain rule would apply :

Chain Trades - Recalls
This is where an account has been bought and sold many times. If an account has been bought or sold 5 or more times and can't be recovered in a recall dispute, the lose will be split by everyone involved. Exceptions can be made if evidence is provided showing someone had no ability to recall the account.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 29, 2021

Unknown Seller > Eu-Accounts > Alex > My Buyer

Account has been sold twice. Also he is not able to restore that account and I guess everybody is aware of that. Also he is sharing incorrect recovery details with or without knowing.

thoridasl · Apr 29, 2021

Alex can confirm you've sold the account twice, as first buyer confirmed that to him.

Also, the recovery details sent by me to you are correct.

You're just messing up things so it looks cool in your favor.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 29, 2021

thoridasl said:
Alex can confirm you've sold the account twice, as first buyer confirmed that to him.

You are delusional. Alex is one of my first ever customers in this business and he is my friend since 2018. If you want, I can bring Alex to here and confirm that account has been sold only once for him. You are dipping yourself everytime you speak.

thoridasl said:
Also, the recovery details sent by me to you are correct.

Actually no. Screenshot that you uploaded proofs that mail adress that you claimed to be original mail adress is incorrect. Either original owner lied to you about original mail adress of the account or you are trying to frame with changing few letters of that mail adress Also I have to point that:
Account Recovered With: m***@gmail.com
Account Recovery Email: [email protected] (I think one or more letters are different but it starts with 'm')

thoridasl said:
You're just messing up things so it looks cool in your favor.

No, you are messing things up because you know account has been restored and you cannot do anything about it.

thoridasl · Apr 30, 2021

BERAccounts.com said:
You are delusional. Alex is one of my first ever customers in this business and he is my friend since 2018. If you want, I can bring Alex to here and confirm that account has been sold only once for him. You are dipping yourself everytime you speak.

I can see that he's your friend from the start of your business. So you preffer scam your friends, as Alex confirmed to me. I don't doubt you are accussing me of things here, via the dispute, if you do that to your friends.

But for now you're lying me and the forum as well.

BERAccounts.com said:
Actually no. Screenshot that you uploaded proofs that mail adress that you claimed to be original mail adress is incorrect. Either original owner lied to you about original mail adress of the account or you are trying to frame with changing few letters of that mail adress Also I have to point that:
Account Recovered With: m***@gmail.com
Account Recovery Email: [email protected] (I think one or more letters are different but it starts with 'm')

Don't worry, here's the proof for you and as well for admin that the email I gave you is the one received from OO back in 2019 as being original email used on account. Also, it was his main gmail back then.

Also, what I want to point out here is just this, as said in previous post:

1. You sold the account to first client
2. Months later probably you re-sold it to another client.

Here's the confirmation Alex got from first client when he asked him.

So, as you and Admin can see, and Alex can confirm as well.

1. Ive sold the account in 2019 to Alex.
2. You sold it to first client
3. Then re-sold it to another client as first client said
4. Account got lost, we don't know where.
5. My details provided to you were EXACTLY the ones received from the Original owner ( As you can see from the screenshot, photos are visible there, I can forward the email to you or Admin if needed - Dated on 2019 when I've received them )
5. You cannot proof that the account was NOT name changed - instead of that, you think someone from the forum can force me doing something on my own Site.

Get your sh*t togheter, kid.

You're losing my time on this matter. Admin's time too.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 30, 2021

He is not talking about me on that screenshot. He lost his Warlock because he used a name change service and he got suspended for it. Afterwards, they removed his character from his account. It has nothing to do with me. Also he points out that other people scammed him, not me. That chargeback and fraud story belongs to another deal that he was made. But you are uploading them as I did.

I did a middlemanship sale for him. He directly received his funds and I delivered account to the buyer. It hasn't been sold afterwards.

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thoridasl said:
Don't worry, here's the proof for you and as well for admin that the email I gave you is the one received from OO back in 2019 as being original email used on account. Also, it was his main gmail back then.

So you admit that account recovered by it is original owner. Since recovery mail was m***@gmail.com. Also he could easily change account's registered mail adress and give you that brand new email adress as original mail adress. How you can proof that was the original registration mail adress of the account? Clearly it wasn't since GM cannot locate it.

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On latest screenshots, there are no proof of that. It is 'he said' situation. As my screenshot shows, he is asking to me about if buyer being an Arab, I say might be.

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Your storyline is incorrect. Account has been sold only once and recovered under customer's possession. If details would be enough or correct, we would be able to restore it. If we are not able to restore account back, whatever you send is irrelevant. You are responsible for everything you sold here. No matter what you say, you will be obligated to refund in the end. We have been in this situation before and we did our refunds without any hustle if we needed to do. You are just trying to avoid perform a refund that's all. If everything you have would be enough for a recovery, why you cannot restore account back by yourself? Because you don't have enough data for validate that recovery and you cannot reach to owner of this account. Simple as that.

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thoridasl said:
You cannot proof that the account was NOT name changed - instead of that, you think someone from the forum can force me doing something on my own Site.

You market name change service by yourself but you don't even know how it works? Sounds ridicilious to me. If a name change happens and original owner goes for a recovery, he can restore account back with his original documents even if another name would be registered on the account. But let's say you are correct. Then how you can explain a name changed account was being able to restored back by it's original owner? Did he had buyer's ID or details? No. He simply used his own ID and details for restore account back. Think before talk.

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Overall, arguing is pointless. No matter what you say, you won't be able to change the fact that account has been recovered and you are responsible for it.

thoridasl · Apr 30, 2021

BERAccounts.com said:
So you admit that account recovered by it is original owner. Since recovery mail was m***@gmail.com. Also he could easily change account's registered mail adress and give you that brand new email adress as original mail adress. How you can proof that was the original registration mail adress of the account? Clearly it wasn't since GM cannot locate it.

Funny is that the mail m***@Gmail.com can be any email but of course, you taking conclussions on your own. Cool

BERAccounts.com said:
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On latest screenshots, there are no proof of that. It is 'he said' situation. As my screenshot shows, he is asking to me about if buyer being an Arab, I say might be.

Wrong. See proof. He is confirming that you had a confference chat - you, buyer and Alex.

Again, stop lying.

BERAccounts.com said:
Your storyline is incorrect. Account has been sold only once and recovered under customer's possession. If details would be enough or correct, we would be able to restore it. If we are not able to restore account back, whatever you send is irrelevant. You are responsible for everything you sold here. No matter what you say, you will be obligated to refund in the end. We have been in this situation before and we did our refunds without any hustle if we needed to do. You are just trying to avoid perform a refund that's all. If everything you have would be enough for a recovery, why you cannot restore account back by yourself? Because you don't have enough data for validate that recovery and you cannot reach to owner of this account. Simple as that.

Of course, again wrong.

All details are correct, as old owner gave to me. As said, YOU/ ADMIN can check them. Who else knew them better in 2019 ? Him as OO or YOU? I doubt you can decide anything on this matter.
Of course, I am responsible for what I sell here.

But this account wasn't sold here.
Not to you.
Not to your customers.

Cus yea, they were TWO customers, as Alex Confirmed - Remember? That conferrence that relates that YOU, Him and buyer was made.

as said

- STOP accussing me of things that I am not related with.
- DO not lose my time and stop fabricating things in your favor or lie in front of us like you did. I am not here to cover your sh*t.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 30, 2021

thoridasl said:
Funny is that the mail m***@Gmail.com can be any email but of course, you taking conclussions on your own. Cool

There is an account recovery ticket and a mail adress that has a matching provider and first letter. You are ridicilious.

thoridasl said:
All details are correct, as old owner gave to me. As said, YOU/ ADMIN can check them. Who else knew them better in 2019 ? Him as OO or YOU? I doubt you can decide anything on this matter.
Of course, I am responsible for what I sell here.

Even if you give his father's birth date or mother's phone number, doesn't matter. As long as we cannot recover account back, what you shared with us is irrelevant.

thoridasl said:
Of course, I am responsible for what I sell here.
But this account wasn't sold here.
Not to you.
Not to your customers.

I wish that would work like that. If you use this platform, you are responsible. We paid our burden on that matter and there is no reason for you to not to do. If you use that platform, you are responsible for everything you sell in or outside of the website. Check TOS section for extra information.

thoridasl said:
- STOP accussing me of things that I am not related with.
- DO not lose my time and stop fabricating things in your favor or lie in front of us like you did. I am not here to cover your sh*t.

Account has been recovered and you are not able to restore it back. So that means I am accusing you very correctly. Be a man, if you are making an illussion as having a warranty service, follow that. If you have no warranty, do not market things as guaranteed. It is completely false advertisement.

Who can trust you in this business anymore? There is an account recovery notification and matching gmail adress that is used for recovery but you still deny that is happened. You are not trustable, dishonest and unreliable.

BERAccounts.com · Apr 30, 2021

Also about Alex, he just had a very big real life problem lately and I don't want to involve him to that matter. Clearly he is not stable because this person is not the person that I knew. I guess when you don't respond to people for few weeks due to having your own issues, they are getting offended and became enemies for no reason.

As he said, I wasn't charging him because I was knew his situation. I even refused to sell him products and told him to not purchase accounts and services many times in the past because of that reason. Anyways, I won't act with the same way that he did. I still wish him the best.

Whatever you or Alex else says, nothing changes the fact that account is recovered by it's original owner. As soon as you accept that, everything will be way much easier for you.

EpicNPC CM · May 3, 2021

Before we move forward, @thoridasl still no response from the OO correct?

thoridasl · May 4, 2021

Still no response.

EpicNPC CM · May 5, 2021

The only info we found on the original owner is an old inactive account from 2012 https://www.epicnpc.com/members/improvise12.192092/

I'm not sure how the chain recall rule doesn't apply here, please correct me if I'm wrong but from what I can see the account has had at least 5 owners :

Original Owner > Eu Account > Alex > Bera > Bera Buyer 1

thoridasl · May 5, 2021

Correct but I'm sure, as Alex confirmed that Bera re-sold it after that to Buyer 2. So yea, 5-6 Owners.

BERAccounts.com · May 5, 2021

There is one very important point that shouldn't be missed. This is a clear account recovery which is performed by the original owner and I don't think anybody except Thoridasl should be responsible. None of us had connection with the original owner except him. This account has been marketed as %100 safe & secure by Thoridasl. That's why we were marketing this account back and forth without any hesitation. If Thoridasl would have been honest, we would never market that account in our vendor. From my aspect, if I say something is completely safe, that means it is. But looks like this doesn't apply on some other resellers that is desperate to earn few hundreds for being able to live.

Thoridasl believed to original owner and made the first ever purchase. Alex believed to Thoridasl's claims and made the second purchase. I belived to Thoridasl's claims and made the third purchase. My customer believed to me and made the fourth purchase. Main question is, if we clearly knew that account has been restored by the original owner, why we are sharing that loss? Did Alex performed that recovery? Absolutely not. Did I performed that recovery? Absolutely not. Did my buyer performed that recovery? Absolutely not. These people have no reason to share that loss and I refuse to receive any type of refund from these people that has nothing to do with that unfortunate situation.

Thoridasl is not able to contact with original owner which is completely usual when seller is a fraudster.
Thoridasl is not able to perform an account recovery. Also he literally ruined our recovery process with making a random restoration ticket while our attempt was still on the process. But non-sense part is, why he suddenly decided to do it while he was trying to avoid of doing that for days and while knowing that we were doing it already? Someone who has years of years experience in this market, wouldn't do that. I also strongly believe that he did this in purpose.

thoridasl · May 5, 2021

BERAccounts.com said:
Thoridasl believed to original owner and made the first ever purchase. Alex believed to Thoridasl's claims and made the second purchase. I belived to Thoridasl's claims and made the third purchase. My customer believed to me and made the fourth purchase. Main question is, if we clearly knew that account has been restored by the original owner, why we are sharing that loss? Did Alex performed that recovery? Absolutely not. Did I performed that recovery? Absolutely not. Did my buyer performed that recovery? Absolutely not. These people have no reason to share that loss and I refuse to receive any type of refund from these people that has nothing to do with that unfortunate situation.

This is my last reply towards your words and accusations.

Did you believed my claims? How? Did you came to ask me ”Look man, I'll buy that account from Alex. Will you guarantee me for it?” - Let me remind you that did NOT happened.

Straight on, here's YOUR OWN warranty policy which is equal with ours at eu-accounts.com or with other sellers: If the CLIENT is selling / giving the account to someone else, warranty voids.

You didn't even notify me about getting the account in custody or reselling it.

Yes, the account got lost.
We - means you, me, Alex or whoever else - Do NOT know or have certain proof that the account was retrieved by original owner.
The guy not replying me is not a certain fact for that and also he is not FORCED in any kind to do it if he doesn't want to.

I do believe you do this only to revenge your own situation you've created back in 2016 when you've got banned for scamming us at eu-accounts.com then coming back to get unbanned cus' you started - but yea, the thread wasn't deleted. So here's your revenge.

Cus' once again, yes, I've a reputation of years of selling over 3k accounts - never scammed any one - clients can confirm, even external clients. And I'm not covering things up or make things up on purpose as you suggest.

@epicnpc - I am not here to cover someone elses business or loses.
If Bera's client lost the account, the client most probably got store credits for the loss as he was guaranteed from the start by the seller.

I'll not refund anything to someone accusing me of things that I wasn't even part of in the last 2 years. And I must mention - who wasn't my client.

Unlike a REGULAR customer who might not read my own's website and business policy, I am 200% SURE that Bera did read it and saw it's similar's to him - Once account being sold / shared to someone else, we do not agree and support any warranty to 3rd parties.

BERAccounts.com · May 5, 2021

About your revenge comment, I took my revenge with taking over the market in less than 2 years. You have nothing to be chased for.

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Didn't you said that account is completely safe & secure to Alex? Yes, you actually did. That was your selling point with that product. If you are going to market products that is not safe, do not claim that they are. If you cannot seperate a scammer from a trustable seller, just leave the business. You don't even have a market share anymore. I think it is not hard to understand that why your business is in a miserable state right now. You cannot even accept the fact that account is recovered by it's original owner.

You are responsible for everything you market in this platform. No need to argue on that matter anymore.

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thoridasl said:
Yes, the account got lost.
We - means you, me, Alex or whoever else - Do NOT know or have certain proof that the account was retrieved by original owner.
The guy not replying me is not a certain fact for that and also he is not FORCED in any kind to do it if he doesn't want to.

If you cannot see a certain proof on that screenshot, go and visit an eye doctor. It is a confirmed account recovery and none of the names that you mentioned has nothing to do with this situation.

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thoridasl said:
Cus' once again, yes, I've a reputation of years of selling over 3k accounts - never scammed any one - clients can confirm, even external clients. And I'm not covering things up or make things up on purpose as you suggest.

Who will know type of a message. You probably can't even count to 3000. What you are selling since 2017 is overpriced rookie accounts. People boost better characters than what you are marketing as 'World Class' in 30 minutes at lunch breaks. You don't have a reputation, do not try to use it as a protection shield.

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thoridasl said:
If Bera's client lost the account, the client most probably got store credits for the loss as he was guaranteed from the start by the seller.

I'll not refund anything to someone accusing me of things that I wasn't even part of in the last 2 years. And I must mention - who wasn't my client.

It is a confirmed account recovery. If you are going to stick with that excuse, it is even better for me. So keep it up.

thoridasl · May 5, 2021

BERAccounts.com said:
Who will know type of a message. You probably can't even count to 3000. What you are selling since 2017 is overpriced rookie accounts. People boost better characters than what you are marketing as 'World Class' in 30 minutes at lunch breaks. You don't have a reputation, do not try to use it as a protection shield.

Sure, that's how turkish kids pretend to do business. Not being able to keep a discussion and start going rage mode.

Good enough for me seeing these words from your side.

Don't worry - knowing that you checked what I'm selling since 2017 to present confirms me the fact that you also have read my warranty policy.

You're now ignored, btw. You're far away from being considered ”someone” in this business and you've confirmed me that first time when you scammed me.

BERAccounts.com · May 5, 2021

thoridasl said:
Sure, that's how turkish kids pretend to do business. Not being able to keep a discussion and start going rage mode.

I have allergy to people who waste my time. I literally wasted few days from my precious life for being able to argue with you on a clear subject. This is not my rage mode, this is just me knowing you are waste of time.

thoridasl said:
Don't worry - knowing that you checked what I'm selling since 2017 to present confirms me the fact that you also have read my warranty policy.

Ah no. What I was trying to say is, I started my business at 2017 and this is when your business became irrelevant in the market.

thoridasl said:
You're now ignored, btw. You're far away from being considered ”someone” in this business and you've confirmed me that first time when you scammed me.

When I read this, I realized something. I was aware of people being able to dream when they are in sleep but this is when I realized people also can dream while they are awake.

I will just wait for admin's decision. In this topic, you lost all of your remaining reliability in this market. In this case, someone can be in denial which is pretty normal since refunding is not a funny event to do. But as a reseller, you need to be prepared for everything. You are talking about how you sold 999.999 accounts, how relevant you are and so on. But in this case, what seperates you from other scammers who performs an account recovery and trying to escape with the money? Is it having a half-cut business logo or having 3x 150 item level BFA accounts in stock?

Epic 1NPC · May 6, 2021

I did not read the dispute, only what the CM sent to me.

Chain Trades - Recalls
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/dispute-rules-terms.90442/

This is where an account has been bought and sold many times. If an account has been bought or sold 5 or more times and can't be recovered in a recall dispute, the lose will be split by everyone involved. Exceptions can be made if evidence is provided showing someone had no ability to recall the account.

If no one can recover the account and no one can obtain proof who recalled it, then the lose should be split.

If someone received login and SQA only, that person would have no ability to recall the account and can be excluded from the split.

I'm sorry, we generally do not investigate chain trades as they are too time consuming and too difficult, this is why this rule was created.

OO > ??? > Thoridasl > tec6686 > Bera > user1 > ???

For this case a minimum of 5 users had the account, but most likely 6+.

BERAccounts.com · May 6, 2021

EpicNPC said:
If no one can recover the account and no one can obtain proof who recalled it, then the lose should be split.

Account has been recovered by it's original owner. Except original owner and thoridasl, nobody had enough details for being able to perform an account recovery. It is an obvious account recovery case.
Original Mail Adress: [email protected]
Account Recovered with: m***@gmail.com

EpicNPC said:
OO > ??? > Thoridasl > tec6686 > Bera > user1 > ???

OO > Thoridasl > Tech6686 > My Buyer

Also I think that chain should start from Thoridasl. He is the first person who marketed this product.

Since the beginning of that dispute, Thoridasl is trying to surpass that 5 person limit with adding imaginary people to that situation. It is obvious that he is trying to make it look like a Chain Trade so he won't need to refund whole amount. Why Alex or my buyer should have split that loss? They are completely non-related and innocent in this situation. It is either original owner or Thoridasl, no other option there.

OO: Can Recover
Thoridasl: Can Recover
BERAccounts: Cannot Recover (I don't have ID of the original owner)
Alex: Cannot Recover
My Buyer: Cannot Recover (He had ownership of the account when it is restored so he shouldn't even be in this list)

Epic 1NPC · May 6, 2021

There is no evidence Thoridasl purchased from the OO and I don't know if you're buyer might have resold it, but it doesn't matter because 5 people are already involved.

OO > Thoridasl > Tech6686 > Bera > Bera's buyer (5 people)

[email protected] belongs to this user
https://www.epicnpc.com/members/improvise12.192092/

The buyer tec6686 agree not to resell or it would void the warranty. Since he resold, that would void their exception and tec6686 would be included in the split.

OO, Thoridasl and Tech6686 are currently in the split.

@thoridasl, is improvise12 the user you purchased this account from? If not, where did you find the seller? What is their contact information?

Bera what information did Tech6686 provide you with when you purchased the account?

thoridasl · May 6, 2021

Yes, that's his user of Marin Gustin, the OO.

Bera has all info's OO sent me as I've sent him via PM at start of dispute.

Would've sent him any infos earlier, years ago, but the guy didn't ask for any info.

BERAccounts.com · May 6, 2021

Main point is, nobody except Thoridasl had these recovery screenshots. There are two possibility. Either Thoridasl didn't shared required ID screenshots with Alex or Alex didn't shared them with my buyer. Because Thoridasl sent me 4 different ID screenshot but buyer says he received only 1 screenshot from Alex. Can Thoridasl show his Skype conversation with Alex about which information he provided to him? Because with 1 semi-blurred ID, he cannot perform a recovery for sure. Alex didn't provided me anything since it was a middlemanship sale. I haven't received ID till Thoridasl sent me after dispute has been created.

Also related to original owner being included to this subject, will Thoridasl be responsible for his share too? Thoridasl was the only person who directly dealt with original owner so he should cover his split too. He can dispute original owner seperately if he wants to get his own refund.

thoridasl · May 7, 2021

While the account was in my customer’s hand, it was all good. 2 years later? Not my problem.

But yea, keep dreaming in your slim brain that I’ll be taken responsible for whatever happened with this account when it was shared to 6 people.

Oh, btw, when I asked if you were direct seller or middleman, you denied being a middleman between client and Alex. Now you say you were.

Pathetic.

@EpicNPC

Bera was a middleman not a seller. Client must dispute Alex, Alex must dispute me and I’ll dispute OO Then.

I had no deal with this person.

BERAccounts.com · May 7, 2021

You are extremely lowkey person that even trying to backstab people who is trying to help you. You spoke with Alex for ask his help and then you used his screenshots for make him involved to that refund chain. This is actually what is pathetic and miserable. Even while knowing that Alex was talking from my back, I refused him being involved to a refund chain because I know he is innocent. But what you did is, betraying to your own customer for lower your refund weight. Totally disgusting move and that shows true color of your personality.

Maybe you heard that account has been sold and then you decided to restore it by yourself with using your warranty as excuse. Can you show what information you shared with Alex when you sold this account? Did he received all four screenshots that you sent me recently or did he received only 1 screenshot that he shared with my buyer?

I sold this account as a middlemanship seller which means I took my profit and put my warranty on it. Do you even know what a middlemanship sale is? If I sold something, that means I am responsible. If there will be a refund, I will do it to the buyer.

I am involved to that case and I am the person who you will be dealing with so get used to it. Clearly my buyer had no documents that would be enough for a recovery so he should be out of the chain. If you didn't provided all of these recovery documents to Alex, he should be out of that chain too. Proof what you shared with Alex.

thoridasl · May 7, 2021

You're talking trash as you always do. In front of me you're a liar and everyone can see that from the posts via this dispute but I don't care. The single miserable person in this dispute is you.

I am stating once again.

Alex - MY client accepted MY warranty rules. Account was in GOOD statement while it was in his hands. HE accepted to sell it on his own and the warranty voided.

YOU are not my client. I am not responsible for whatever you're dreaming on. Good luck.

BERAccounts.com · May 7, 2021

Okay, let's do a list of miserable things that you made in this dispute topic.

1-You denied an 'obvious' account recovery case for avoid performing a refund.
2-You spoke with Alex for ask his help and then you used his screenshots for make him involved to that refund chain.
3-You betrayed to your own customer for lower your refund weight.
4-You constantly made up imaginary people for this dispute being able to surpass 5 people so you refund less.
5-You hijacked our account recovery process for being able to prevent us from receive any type of information against you.
6-You constantly dodged to provide details that could be used against you even if it would be useable for solve that issue.

Can you show what did you provided to Alex on delivery? Did you provided him screenshots that would make him being able to perform an account recovery? Can you proof that you sent your Warranty & Terms to Alex and got his confirmation before deal happened?

thoridasl · May 8, 2021

I did agreed with Alex upon my business terms and warranty on the sale.

If forum's rules override our private deal and our business agreement terms, then I do find it abusive and I'll need admin's confirmation about that. If not, I do require respect on our terms and agreement that happened back in 2019.

My agreement with Alex is below.

Eu-Accounts.com - thoridasl - cristian.puf21 - Account Recovery - No Refund

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