Eu-Accounts.com - thoridasl - cristian.puf21 - Account Recovery - No Refund

[EpicNPC]

1) What you posted is not relevant. Many larger sellers have been caught recalling accounts over the years. This is why we do not allow warranties that provide loopholes to scam. This has happened before. I'm not saying your a scammer or you recalled the account, but we can't honor your policy and provide you with immunity for this dispute.

2) We do not investigate chain trades. It's an automatic split once we see 5+ people involved. This dispute was investigated and a decision to split loses can still be made.

3) I agree. I don't know why Bera is posting this either. He should not be this involved in the dispute when he was only the MM. If Bera continues to open disputes for transaction where he was only the MM, we will treat him as a reseller and not a MM. The victim should be posting all evidence, not the MM.

I'm sorry, the original decision will remain.

Final decision:
40% should be paid by @thoridasl to saqer
40% by @Tech6686 to saqer.
saqer loses 20% of his payment

 

[EpicNPC]

@thoridasl and @Tec6686 please state if you plan to issue the 40% refund.

 

[thoridasl]

Banned - failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-accounts-com-thoridasl-cristian-puf21-account-recovery-no-refund.1924462

1) What you posted is not relevant. Many larger sellers have been caught recalling accounts over the years. This is why we do not allow warranties that provide loopholes to scam. This has happened before. I'm not saying your a scammer or you recalled the account, but we can't honor your policy and provide you with immunity for this dispute.

In my case is pretty relevant. To you and to everyone else, as well.

I didn't knew of the sale happened between them so yea. I found out 1 month and half ago.

YOU admitted that I couldn't recall the account as I've tried to for the dispute (screenshot provided, GMS needed more info). Please be coerrent with your calls. There's no loophole in this case.

Also, you should've stated this somewhere on your forum that ”You don't honor other sellers policies”. Not here, via the dispute. It simply doesn't apply as a general rule, but here only, right?

Or you do start to apply it starting with this case, from now on?

Note this down: I do not demand you to respect my policies. But notify me about that from start when I'm joining your site/community. Cus' As much as I remember, I did respected the forum(your) rules, didn't I ?
Of course, if you care of that and if you dont make new rules in the moment of speaking, then apply them as you should.

2) We do not investigate chain trades. It's an automatic split once we see 5+ people involved. This dispute was investigated and a decision to split loses can still be made.

you've applied that rule as you even said you will: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-...count-recovery-no-refund.1924462/post-7608791

3) I agree. I don't know why Bera is posting this either. He should not be this involved in the dispute when he was only the MM. If Bera continues to open disputes for transaction where he was only the MM, we will treat him as a reseller and not a MM. The victim should be posting all evidence, not the MM.

On Safepoint's thread Bera said: ”Thoridasl's refund is done”

How come? He knew your decision before you initially posting it? Shame.

You know why Bera is doing this and still he's been only a MM here.

He took the profits, he knew my and safepoint's policies (same with his) but he went behind our backs and now he's got your immunity on both disputes from your side.

Cus yea, in front of HIS clients WE are responsible via his OWN rules?

That's Bullsh*t and everyone knows it.

I've lost enough of my time in this matter to see your maked-up rules to protect others.

 

[EpicNPC]

I didn't knew of the sale happened between them so yea. I found out 1 month and half ago.

YOU admitted that I couldn't recall the account as I've tried to for the dispute (screenshot provided, GMS needed more info). Please be coerrent with your calls. There's no loophole in this case.

You attempted to recover and failed. Maybe the OO recalled.

Scam method: Two sellers work together, SellerA and SellerB. SellerA sells all accounts and has a no resale warranty. After an account is sold, if it's resold, SellerB then recovers the account. Since SellerB is not a member here nothing happens. SellerA is immune because of their warranty, so nothing happens. SellerA can work with SellerB to sell, recall and resell over and over with absolute immunity. This has happened before.

This is the same scam method I described, but with 1 extra step and 2 users working together. As stated, we do not honor warranties like this. Again to be clear, I'm not saying this is what happened here, I'm just staying this is why you're warranty will not be honored.

We will always try to apply the seller's warranty when we can, but it's decided on a case by case basis.

Evidence was already provided showing Bera acted as a MM. However as stated above, Bera should not be the one opening disputes like this and well be treated as the seller in the future.

I see nothing in your post that would affect the final decision, so the original decision remains.

Final decision:
40% should be paid by @thoridasl to saqer
40% by @Tech6686 to saqer.
saqer loses 20% of his payment


Please state if you plan to issue the payment or not. I will issue bans in 48 hrs if there is no answer.

 

[thoridasl]

Banned - failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-accounts-com-thoridasl-cristian-puf21-account-recovery-no-refund.1924462

Dude, really?

That happened before, of course. In current case (this dispute) seller A = me, seller B = tec6686. NONE of us could have recalled the account.

GM asked for EXTRA photo from OO, who can’t be found.

You saw the evidence, stop acting on your own rules from your mind (unwritten still on forum’s rules.)

Decide as you saw, on this case basis, not on general that “happened before”.

 

[BERAccounts.com]

No, actually you rigged our recovery attempt by purpose. While knowing I already created a ticket for account recovery, you purposely went to support and made another recovery request. Why you did that? Let me tell you why. You did that because if I was able to recover it back, I would be able to see original recovery ticket from account’s history and you would had to refund in full by yourself.

I also proved that neither Alex or Saqer wasn’t capable of performing a successful recovery. You never shared required identification documents with them. It is either you or original owner. You had everything for perform a clean recovery, do not say you couldn’t do it.

I will read and reply to your messages tomorrow. It is hard to write from mobile. But I’ve seen one message so I will give my response to it before I leave.

On Safepoint's thread Bera said: ”Thoridasl's refund is done”

How come? He knew your decision before you initially posting it? Shame.

I can predict the decision because I proved that neither Alex or Saqer wasn’t able to do that. As a reminder, I requested you to show what you provided to Alex exactly 6 times and you acted like you didn’t see my messages. Even admin made same request but you ignored that too. Why? Because you are not a honest person. You was aware of that if you provide this screenshot, you would shoot yourself from foot.

Rather than talking stupid and trying to keep blaming innocent people, tell who could do that then? Create another magical figure. You had everything to perform a clean first recovery. It is either you or you are trying to cover original owner while knowing that he is guilty just because you don’t want to refund.

None of these guys should even involved to refund chain while they are innocent. You should thank admin for putting that rule for saving you from paying whole summary by yourself rather than crying about rules when they are not working for your benefit.

If you check my previous disputes, you would see that admin never put me in a position that can be considered as benefitable. He was actually more harsh to me than he is to you. I was even temporarily suspended in the past while he could just cover my back and keep benefiting from my website purchases. Why I was suspended? For providing a service. Interesting part about this is, you are still providing this service in your website and you didn’t even suspended once for doing that. Also funny part is, I am not able to get Trusted badge just because I was temporarily suspended for providing this service. But you are providing this service while having Trusted badge. Talk about benefits more my friend, I love it.

You literally blamed every single person except yourself in this dispute, even admin. Learn to take responsibility of your own mistakes.

 

[EpicNPC]

Final decision:
40% should be paid by @thoridasl to saqer
40% by @Tech6686 to saqer.
saqer loses 20% of his payment

Tec6686 has not replied in nearly 3 weeks, so I'll assume he does not plan to pay. He's been banned.

@thoridasl I will have to issue a ban in 24 hrs if you do not plan to pay the 40% to saqer. The ban will remain until the payment is made. Sorry.

 

[thoridasl]

Banned - failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-accounts-com-thoridasl-cristian-puf21-account-recovery-no-refund.1924462

To whoever reads this,

Note some facts:

- I've been a member of this forum since 2012, been moderator as well on the times when Mike was the real admin.

- I've never scammed anyone around. I don't expect the new admin's confirmation for that. My clients know me and they would've reported me here or other forums if I would've done that.

- I kept buying accounts from this community from Real Owners only and kept selling them outside of the forum.

- Never had a dispute for scamming people - compared with Bera, he was even banned for scamming me before he started ”reselling”.

Facts since this dispute started:

- I Did not know about the sale between my client, Bera and Saqer until this dispute

- I was accused by Bera for not sharing information with my client.

- Bera didn't contact me a single time asking for account information / photos / details, whatever. He pretend to buy safe accounts online for his clients still.

- Moderator kept blocking the thread so we couldn't ”argue”

- Admin stated few days before taking his ”final decision” that he does not honor sellers policies around cus we've got loopholes on.

What I've seen ?

I've seen the new admin protecting Bera's own policy, that he can make disputes around the forum being ”middleman” and taking profits from clients without any responsability.

I've seen an admin ignoring some simple facts:

- Account was in my client's possession for 1 month and in Bera's possession for 2 years without issues. Suddenly, it probably got retrieved by original owner or lost by client.

- admin ignoring the message where Blizzard admitted that they cannot restore the account with info I've had from original owner saying it was ”different” than owner's name. (probably name changed)

- admin ignored the fact that the loophole he pretend to be in my policy cannot be applied in the dispute's case.

- admin ignored his own forum's rules and didn't apply any on this dispute


After 9 years on the forum and this community, I do preffer leaving by being banned instead of paying an amount of money just cus' a person force me to do that without me being even in possibility to defend myself.

Admin took a decision on his own thoughts, missleading facts on the case.

I'm sorry, but that's not normal into such a big community around here that pretends to be a proffessional market.

Admin acts the role of a supreme judge. Sadly, into this case, he was a joker, not a judge. A judge would be impartial and take into consideration facts and rules.

Facts that are quite simple:

Original owner probably took the account back or saqer lost it, we would never know, Blizzard can't restore it.

I cannot apply my own policy cus no one notified me about their sale 2 years ago, neither Bera or my client

Admin doesn't give a **** about my policy but he notifies about that here, on the dispute.

Admin doesn't give a **** about his site's policy, either.

Admin wants us to pay his decided amount like a ticket to remain on this forum. Rofl.

Scam method: Two sellers work together, SellerA and SellerB. SellerA sells all accounts and has a no resale warranty. After an account is sold, if it's resold, SellerB then recovers the account. Since SellerB is not a member here nothing happens. SellerA is immune because of their warranty, so nothing happens. SellerA can work with SellerB to sell, recall and resell over and over with absolute immunity. This has happened before.

This is the same scam method I described, but with 1 extra step and 2 users working together. As stated, we do not honor warranties like this. Again to be clear, I'm not saying this is what happened here, I'm just staying this is why you're warranty will not be honored.

So yea, my decision is quitting this forum by not accepting to pay just cus' some guy decided some amounts to be paid based on previous disputes around the forum, not applicable in my case.

Good luck.

 

[EpicNPC]

Final decision:
40% should be paid by @thoridasl to saqer
40% by @Tech6686 to saqer.
saqer loses 20% of his payment

thoridasl has also been banned.