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[RedSnowman]

there is nothing to hide for an honest person

Commie spotted.
People have right to privacy, People have right to be concerned about shady company

 

[deu8n]

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Very good job admins! +1 for security

 

[deu8n]

Well no matter where in the internet, best to stay anonymous as possible.

One user found my real identity and as a result police was sent to my house. They had emailed my police multiple false accusations, something about school shootings and stuff. Well the police already knew it was some sort of bullying, but yeah.

Not easy to be part of this all! Even the moderators get so much **** from other users, it's crazy. Someday I wish to be fully gone from here and all my details deleted. Hopefully EpicNPC respects requests like that.

Let me correct you there:
Hopefully VERIFF respects requests like that.

You gave away your personal info to 3rd party, it's up to them now whether they are gonna delete it or not xd (1.9 stars company!)

 

[ZZreroll.com]

Well, I wasnt very optimistic about decision to add this verification at the begining since there people who do not like to share any of their personal info online... But now I think it is actualy very good update. I shared my ID with admins of EpicNPC once already years ago and did it again now. Verification system works good and the process is simple enough. Also, in my opinion, there is nothing to hide for an honest person. If you are just a seller, reseller or buyer it would be totaly ok and reasonable to do ID verification. Concerned will be only people who have something to hide.

Uhmmm, actually I do have something to hide, which is my wealth and I believe it is not only reasonable but sensible to one privacy no matter who it is tho. Unless you are someone that casually go around showing people your bank account lol.

I do have my old ID data leaked before, the one that I submitted to Epicnpc 5 6 years ago, ofc I am sure that it is not leaked by them, but that few day experience is some scariest shet I have ever experienced in my life.

 

[andikadewa]

the problem is veriff.com dont have indonesia option in they sign up method,
but epicnpc staff, are u really think ur user only have you as an option for sell they stuff?,
then u really gonna losing a lot seller with a lot review, you said dont have solution for this

since u cant trolling or fake review on epicnpc, becouse u gonna track and bann all fake or troll reviewer include the seller who doing that,

fun fact,i know all ur moderator is happy and enjoy becouse they are seller too, they think this verification system is good becouse it gonna be eliminate a lot top seller as they competitor,lol good job

why u dont make 2 option,being verif from veriff.com and being verif by review, becouse it doesnt matter u have they data ID or not , as long they are trustes seller,

 

[Carry_Matic]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Hello,

Pardon me for the rant, I just had to get few things out there.
Possible solutions down bellow though!

I've been working as a booster for a long time for members on this forum and over a year ago I decided to start posting myself.
Big reason why I didn't do it sooner is because my country is very limited with payment methods and also I was very sceptic about sharing my data.
Whilst this is not my only source of income it slowly became my main one.
Even though I don't have near as much reputation as some of the top dogs here I've assembled a team and I'm happy where I am.

Over the years I've dealt with countless scams and I know that in this line of work there is always a risk.
However the solution provided is likely going to do more damage in the long run in my opinion.

I have few suggestions that might swap things around since I believe its not too late.

1. Let people who have been here for a while and have a good standing keep their position without having to deal with re-verification.
Makes no sense for someone who spent few years here to be a scammer.
2. Give the remaining members or would be members 2 options:
-Use the app to (re)-verify or
-Pledge a certain amount of money (100, 150 or 200 $) to be able to post. One time scammers won't be left with much especially for lower paid orders in the range of say 100$.
3. Make members who pledged money earn certain amount of rep or be a member of lets say year + to be able to ask for the money back
4. Offer more incentive for people to do trades on the website. There are multiple reasons why everyone prefers discord.
Here are a few things you can offer so that members who do:
-Shorter bump timers
-Credits
-Special badges after X amount of orders on-site
-Discount for sticky threads or other purchases
-Special purchases only unlocked after trading on the website
-A feature on a slides-like add placed on the main page of X game / category as long as they are in a top % of on-site completed deals
-Make new reputation ranking where customers can see what rank you have on the site in terms of on-site completed orders (makes it a competition, that's healthy for the eco-system)
-Give clients who bought / buy on-site a special way of posting a "Want to buy" add directly to a member's inbox (those who do on-site deals)
-Charge more money as a yearly compensation for members who don't use the forum

I can think of more but you get the point. The website will make more money, the scammers will be pressed into spending a lot with little to no potential gain.

I have few more suggestions but I think I'm gonna try and keep it short.

Curious to see what other members think.

Carry_Matic

 

[KappaDC]

Hello,

Pardon me for the rant, I just had to get few things out there.
Possible solutions down bellow though!

I've been working as a booster for a long time for members on this forum and over a year ago I decided to start posting myself.
Big reason why I didn't do it sooner is because my country is very limited with payment methods and also I was very sceptic about sharing my data.
Whilst this is not my only source of income it slowly became my main one.
Even though I don't have near as much reputation as some of the top dogs here I've assembled a team and I'm happy where I am.

Over the years I've dealt with countless scams and I know that in this line of work there is always a risk.
However the solution provided is likely going to do more damage in the long run in my opinion.

I have few suggestions that might swap things around since I believe its not too late.

1. Let people who have been here for a while and have a good standing keep their position without having to deal with re-verification.
Makes no sense for someone who spent few years here to be a scammer.
2. Give the remaining members or would be members 2 options:
-Use the app to (re)-verify or
-Pledge a certain amount of money (100, 150 or 200 $) to be able to post. One time scammers won't be left with much especially for lower paid orders in the range of say 100$.
3. Make members who pledged money earn certain amount of rep or be a member of lets say year + to be able to ask for the money back
4. Offer more incentive for people to do trades on the website. There are multiple reasons why everyone prefers discord.
Here are a few things you can offer so that members who do:
-Shorter bump timers
-Credits
-Special badges after X amount of orders on-site
-Discount for sticky threads or other purchases
-Special purchases only unlocked after trading on the website
-A feature on a slides-like add placed on the main page of X game / category as long as they are in a top % of on-site completed deals
-Make new reputation ranking where customers can see what rank you have on the site in terms of on-site completed orders (makes it a competition, that's healthy for the eco-system)
-Give clients who bought / buy on-site a special way of posting a "Want to buy" add directly to a member's inbox (those who do on-site deals)
-Charge more money as a yearly compensation for members who don't use the forum

I can think of more but you get the point. The website will make more money, the scammers will be pressed into spending a lot with little to no potential gain.

I have few more suggestions but I think I'm gonna try and keep it short.

Curious to see what other members think.

Carry_Matic

I sincerely agree, and I think the possible solutions that this user offers us are very good ideas.

 

[AccountShark.net]

Well, I wasnt very optimistic about decision to add this verification at the begining since there people who do not like to share any of their personal info online... But now I think it is actualy very good update. I shared my ID with admins of EpicNPC once already years ago and did it again now. Verification system works good and the process is simple enough. Also, in my opinion, there is nothing to hide for an honest person. If you are just a seller, reseller or buyer it would be totaly ok and reasonable to do ID verification. Concerned will be only people who have something to hide.

Found EpicNPC’s alt profile.

 

[km165]

Ok I did a successful transaction with a verified multi-successful transaction banned seller. Is there a way to get a real reason as to why the person was banned (i.e. chargeback)? Without a more detailed explanation I would be concerned; if it was just for multi-accounting, I wouldn't care.

 

[deu8n]

Ok I did a successful transaction with a verified multi-successful transaction banned seller. Is there a way to get a real reason as to why the person was banned (i.e. chargeback)? Without a more detailed explanation I would be concerned; if it was just for multi-accounting, I wouldn't care.

I mean one guy was banned for "fake id" lol

EpicNPC admins even gloat about it ... It's not any automated system that detect it instead it's admins banning manually - salty becuz he posted on this thread his dissatisfactions...

Don't expect any sympathy from them, the guy did nothing wrong like scam other's or anything - he is old user with only positive feedbacks on his acc , gone just like that!

They didn't offer him like a second chance even - to verify with his actual ID or to stay unverified?

Btw how do they know it's fake ID? (Veriff says he used device screen during verification... Isn't that a good reason to be banned! It's not like AI is perfect and doesn't like giving false positives!)

 

[deu8n]

That BS is catching another scammer.

Scammer! Yup!

Savage.

 

[EastLin]

 

[EastLin]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Watch out for scammers on Discord

 

[Adoxia]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

That is a scammer. EpicNPC does not use discord. None of the staff here will reach out to you on discord offering to give you support for your account. If anyone receives a message on discord from a “staff” member here offering support for you it is a scam.

 

[Vaioz]

As a loyal and trustworthy seller for over six years, it’s disappointing that the verification process is being required for long-standing members like us, rather than for new sellers or members with less established reputations.

You mentioned that many scam accounts have been banned and that account cloning is an issue.
It would make more sense for those new or suspicious accounts to undergo verification instead of long-time members with good ratings.

It's not that we’re unwilling to complete the verification, but honestly, we are concerned about the misuse of our personal data, particularly sensitive information like our ID even tough t&c applied.

On behalf of other members, we sincerely ask that you reconsider this decision and take appropriate follow-up actions.

 

[andikadewa]

Hello,

Pardon me for the rant, I just had to get few things out there.
Possible solutions down bellow though!

I've been working as a booster for a long time for members on this forum and over a year ago I decided to start posting myself.
Big reason why I didn't do it sooner is because my country is very limited with payment methods and also I was very sceptic about sharing my data.
Whilst this is not my only source of income it slowly became my main one.
Even though I don't have near as much reputation as some of the top dogs here I've assembled a team and I'm happy where I am.

Over the years I've dealt with countless scams and I know that in this line of work there is always a risk.
However the solution provided is likely going to do more damage in the long run in my opinion.

I have few suggestions that might swap things around since I believe its not too late.

1. Let people who have been here for a while and have a good standing keep their position without having to deal with re-verification.
Makes no sense for someone who spent few years here to be a scammer.
2. Give the remaining members or would be members 2 options:
-Use the app to (re)-verify or
-Pledge a certain amount of money (100, 150 or 200 $) to be able to post. One time scammers won't be left with much especially for lower paid orders in the range of say 100$.
3. Make members who pledged money earn certain amount of rep or be a member of lets say year + to be able to ask for the money back
4. Offer more incentive for people to do trades on the website. There are multiple reasons why everyone prefers discord.
Here are a few things you can offer so that members who do:
-Shorter bump timers
-Credits
-Special badges after X amount of orders on-site
-Discount for sticky threads or other purchases
-Special purchases only unlocked after trading on the website
-A feature on a slides-like add placed on the main page of X game / category as long as they are in a top % of on-site completed deals
-Make new reputation ranking where customers can see what rank you have on the site in terms of on-site completed orders (makes it a competition, that's healthy for the eco-system)
-Give clients who bought / buy on-site a special way of posting a "Want to buy" add directly to a member's inbox (those who do on-site deals)
-Charge more money as a yearly compensation for members who don't use the forum

I can think of more but you get the point. The website will make more money, the scammers will be pressed into spending a lot with little to no potential gain.

I have few more suggestions but I think I'm gonna try and keep it short.

Curious to see what other members think.

Carry_Matic

good mate

 

[andikadewa]

As a loyal and trustworthy seller for over six years, it’s disappointing that the verification process is being required for long-standing members like us, rather than for new sellers or members with less established reputations.

You mentioned that many scam accounts have been banned and that account cloning is an issue.
It would make more sense for those new or suspicious accounts to undergo verification instead of long-time members with good ratings.

It's not that we’re unwilling to complete the verification, but honestly, we are concerned about the misuse of our personal data, particularly sensitive information like our ID even tough t&c applied.

On behalf of other members, we sincerely ask that you reconsider this decision and take appropriate follow-up actions.

i am good people almost 5 years have 100% review,
i dont know what epicnpc planning but, if you do this, there is karma for being bad for good people

 

[Futen]

As a loyal and trustworthy seller for over six years, it’s disappointing that the verification process is being required for long-standing members like us, rather than for new sellers or members with less established reputations.

You mentioned that many scam accounts have been banned and that account cloning is an issue.
It would make more sense for those new or suspicious accounts to undergo verification instead of long-time members with good ratings.

It's not that we’re unwilling to complete the verification, but honestly, we are concerned about the misuse of our personal data, particularly sensitive information like our ID even tough t&c applied.

On behalf of other members, we sincerely ask that you reconsider this decision and take appropriate follow-up actions.

If veriff is not trusted it will involve all identities not just everyone in epicnpc, Even companies like wise, blockchain, etc. are also involved.

https://www.veriff.com/customers
https://www.cbinsights.com/company/veriff/customers

 

[RedSnowman]

If veriff is not trusted it will involve all identities not just everyone in epicnpc, Even companies like wise, blockchain, etc. are also involved.

https://www.veriff.com/customers
https://www.cbinsights.com/company/veriff/customers

So what?
Many high-ranking politicians and celebrities used Epsteins services. Is this supposed to tell us that they made a good choice or that his services were in accordance with the law?

 

[Futen]

So what?
Many high-ranking politicians and celebrities used Epsteins services. Is this supposed to tell us that they made a good choice or that his services were in accordance with the law?

What's your point?

 

[RedSnowman]

What's your point?

Nobody should give a f about the choices of big companies.
Wise and paypal leaks their data every year.
Blockchaincom thieft in 2021, huge data breach in 2022, another one this year.
...
Probably every one of their customers can be googled in the company of words like data breach, hacked, leaking data.

 

[Futen]

Nobody should give a f about the choices of big companies.
Wise and paypal leaks their data every year.
Blockchaincom thieft in 2021, huge data breach in 2022, another one this year.
...
Probably every one of their customers can be googled in the company of words like data breach, hacked, leaking data.

Is it veriff fault?, why are they still working with veriff?

 

[RedSnowman]

Is it veriff fault?, why are they still working with veriff?

if big companies with their big budgets cant keep their data safe, then what are the chances that a company in Eastern Europe can handle this?
Uh oh class action lawsuit for leaking biometric data between nov12 2016 - dec. 5 2022 (6! SIX damn years!)

As for the "why", it's simple: services are cheap and they can say "not our fault".

 

[Futen]

if big companies with their big budgets cant keep their data safe, then what are the chances that a company in Eastern Europe can handle this?
Uh oh class action lawsuit for leaking biometric data between nov12 2016 - dec. 5 2022 (6! SIX damn years!)

As for the "why", it's simple: services are cheap and they can say "not our fault".

All sellers here are trading to make money, wise & paypal are their options, Now, what kind of wallet do you often use?

 

[RedSnowman]

All sellers here are trading to make money, wise & paypal are their options, Now, what kind of wallet do you often use?

There is a difference between one time event and constant flow.

Bugs can be exploited, employees may be incompetent or worse. Its ok, deal with consequences, patch holes and hire white hats.
But when the same hole is used for several years and noone does anything about it until the victims went to court, that should tell us something.

It doesnt matter what ecurrency people use. They can choose it, but they cant choose the verification service and thats the main problem.
Look at current situation. They changed system that worked fine and have no scketcy history to a shady company overseas that cut a good chunk of their users and can be fooled witch cheap fake prtinted on a cheapest inkjet.

 

[Futen]

There is a difference between one time event and constant flow.

Bugs can be exploited, employees may be incompetent or worse. Its ok, deal with consequences, patch holes and hire white hats.
But when the same hole is used for several years and noone does anything about it until the victims went to court, that should tell us something.

Look at current situation. They changed system that worked fine and have no scketcy history to a shady company overseas that cut a good chunk of their users and can be fooled witch cheap fake prtinted on a cheapest inkjet.

Again, I don't know what's your point is, so you think asking for verification is something dumb, including using wise, paypal

You know, identity with jpg format is no longer useful in my country, even other countries are also included, to get a loan you need some official government documents, pay slips & real time facial verification

 

[Carry_Matic]

I sincerely agree, and I think the possible solutions that this user offers us are very good ideas.

Thanks, I have other ideas but we are almost 400 comments in this thread, not sure if they will read it or not.

My point was to prove that there are other ways to go about this. I hope that we as a community and the admins can work something out.

Feels like the pushback is huge and something needed to be said.

First post by me in this thread

 

[RedSnowman]

Again, I don't know what's your point is, so you think asking for verification is something dumb, including using wise, paypal

You know, identity with jpg format is no longer useful in my country, even other countries are also included, to get a loan you need some official government documents, pay slips & real time facial verification

Verification isnt dumb, only method of implementation.
What? Since when government using shady internet companies to check their citizens in their closed database?
Ofcource something like this

Spoiler: pict

never fool government or anyone who has access to their database. But the fact that the check is done instantly clearly shows that there are no checks on government databases.
Government services dont work that fast and no state will allow foregin company access to this data.
They can check against public lists like "S offenders list" but I doubt they doing this either.
Looks legit? Pass. Next!

 

[Futen]

Verification isnt dumb, only method of implementation.
What? Since when government using shady internet companies to check their citizens in their closed database?
Ofcource something like this
never fool government or anyone who has access to their database. But the fact that the check is done instantly clearly shows that there are no checks on government databases.
Government services dont work that fast and no state will allow foregin company access to this data.
They can check against public lists like "S offenders list" but I doubt they doing this either.
Looks legit? Pass. Next!

Listen, do you know the function of the identity on the back of the card? , That is to prove whether the card is real or not, why check the government database if you know it is a real card

 

[RedSnowman]

Listen, do you know the function of the identity on the back of the card? , That is to prove whether the card is real or not, why check the government database if you know it is a real card

-_-
The barcode contains the same info as the front side. And surprise! It can be generated too.
Its there because its easier for the computer to read it than letters and numbers.

 

[Futen]

-_-
The barcode contains the same info as the front side. And surprise! It can be generated too.
Its there because its easier for the computer to read it than letters and numbers.

Now what is your point, you think that to check identity it should be done through the government, but in fact the method is different, veriff only checks whether the card is real or fake.

Veriff also takes photos of the back of the card.
This is why verification is so fast

 

[RedSnowman]

Now what is your point, you think that to check identity it should be done through the government, but in fact the method is different, veriff only checks whether the card is real or fake.

Veriff also takes photos of the back of the card.
This is why verification is so fast

My point is few posts higher. >You shouldnt defend Veriff because some big players use their services.
Thats it.

Few problems:
Veriff doesnt checks whether the card is real or fake.
All such companies train their models on synthetic(fake) data. Because it's the only way to get large data sets legally and cheap.
DL above are just an example. You can generate ANY document.

This is my country passport:

Spoiler: pict

Veriff requires only the bottom half and it only rejected because non latin letters.
And no, glibberish on the bottom isnt "secret prove" its same names, dates and numbers in iso/iec 7501–1 type 3 fornat.

 

[Futen]

My point is few posts higher. >You shouldnt defend Veriff because some big players use their services.
Thats it.

Few problems:
Veriff doesnt checks whether the card is real or fake.
All such companies train their models on synthetic(fake) data. Because it's the only way to get large data sets legally and cheap.
DL above are just an example. You can generate ANY document.

This is my country passport:
Veriff requires only the bottom half and it only rejected because non latin letters.
And no, glibberish on the bottom isnt "secret prove" its same names, dates and numbers in iso/iec 7501–1 type 3 fornat.

There is a funny thing, even trustpilot uses veriff service as a 3rd party verification partner

https://support.trustpilot.com/hc/en-us/articles/4410802590354-Verify-your-identity-with-photo-ID

 

[RedSnowman]

Thats why there are so many "fake" reviews about Veriff from verified users.

 

[Futen]

Thats why there are so many "fake" reviews about Veriff from verified users.

So what is your goal?

 

[deu8n]

So what is your goal?

What is your goal?

What kinda question is that...

 

[Futen]

What is your goal?

What kinda question is that...

My goal is to become a seller, I don't mind doing verification, you can even come to my house anytime, there's nothing to hide.

 

[RedSnowman]

My goal is to become a seller, I don't mind doing verification, you can even come to my house anytime, there's nothing to hide.

Well, violating game ToS is a bit far from "becoming a seller". In some places its downright a crime. I hope you include earnings in your tax returns.

 

[HaniOtaku]

Well, violating game ToS is a bit far from "becoming a seller". In some places its downright a crime. I hope you include earnings in your tax returns.

In 2012 in the European Court of Justice it was ruled that ALL digital licenses can be resold without exception. This means if your account is banned because it was sold and you live in the EU, you have a legal right to sue the gaming company as it is illegal for them to prevent you from reselling your digital license.

Most game companies have not changed their TOS, even in the EU, after this ruling. According to the TOS companies can still ban your account for selling it, which is illegal in the EU. The reason it has not changed is because no player or group of players have ever sued a game company for a banned account due to selling or trading.

According to what epicnpc said its illegal in Europe to ask a player to not sell his account

 

[Futen]

Well, violating game ToS is a bit far from "becoming a seller". In some places its downright a crime. I hope you include earnings in your tax returns.

So you're not a seller here ?

 

[Somz]

https://www.epicnpc.com/members/gokysirelbae.1920048/

Just a repeat scammer who verified his account today using the new system today and still scammed someone before getting banned

What is the point of the new verification method if repeat scammers are just carrying out their scams without issue?

 

[Futen]

https://www.epicnpc.com/members/gokysirelbae.1920048/

Just a repeat scammer who verified his account today using the new system today and still scammed someone before getting banned

What is the point of the new verification method if repeat scammers are just carrying out their scams without issue?

The verification badge is not 100% reliable, it is the buyer's choice to choose a seller with a verified badge only , Trusted badge can also be an option. They choose non-reputable sellers because they gamble on cheap prices., you should monitor the 'ban list' from the start, if you want to know whether doing KYC is useless or not, Have you ever investigated a scammer where 1 person can create up to 3 accounts per day? This is really a waste of time.

 

[Somz]

The verification badge is not 100% reliable, it is the buyer's choice to choose a seller with a verified badge only , Trusted badge can also be an option. They choose non-reputable sellers because they gamble on cheap prices., you should monitor the 'ban list' from the start, if you want to know whether doing KYC is useless or not, Have you ever investigated a scammer where 1 person can create up to 3 accounts per day? This is really a waste of time.

So you're saying there was no point in introduction of a new verification system (that was supposedly introducted to reduce new scammers creating new accounts each time) and nothing affects the repeat scammers who are still doing the same scams even getting verified using the new system


Gotcha

 

[Futen]

So you're saying there was no point in introduction of a new verification system (that was supposedly introducted to reduce new scammers creating new accounts each time) and nothing affects the repeat scammers who are still doing the same scams even getting verified using the new system


Gotcha

I don't know how you can be a mod,
So at the beginning of this verification being implemented, The percentage decreased from 19% to 16% , and it keeps going down

What do you get as a seller, The toxic prices offered by scammers are reduced, Price competition is back to being better

 

[Somz]

I don't know how you can be a mod,
So at the beginning of this verification being implemented, The percentage decreased from 19% to 16% , and it keeps going down

What do you get as a seller, The toxic prices offered by scammers are reduced, Price competition is back to being better

Do you understand that I posted an example of a repeat scammer who bypassed rhe new system of having to submit an iD and a selfie method and still scammed someone?

The whole point of the new system was to reduce that through an id and selfie verification

What is your source for 19% to 16% reduction in scammers?

 

[Futen]

Do you understand that I posted an example of a repeat scammer who bypassed rhe new system of having to submit an iD and a selfie method and still scammed someone?

The whole point of the new system was to reduce that through an id and selfie verification

What is your source for 19% to 16% reduction in scammers?

Again, I don't know how you can be a mod

https://www.epicnpc.com/banned/countries

 

[ZZreroll.com]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

@Futen just take the L and move on man, its looking pathetic at this point haha.

But please after this saga is over, I would really love to have some perks granted to the sellers who passed the verification i.e the return ability to link a Discord server given back to sellers who "verified" as a perks or any other you could think of, since that feature is initially removed due to scam abuse, with the new system, anyone who passed the verification is trusted enough and epicnpc should show some trust to those who pass the verification.

 

[Somz]

Again, I don't know how you can be a mod

https://www.epicnpc.com/banned/countries

Thsts the percentage of users who used a phone and got banned, not sellers who got verified and posted a thread

 

[ZZreroll.com]

Again, I don't know how you can be a mod

https://www.epicnpc.com/banned/countries

19% to 16% on a N/A country because scammer need to verifiy with country LOL. And those who passess will get all the profit and monopoly the scam market from those who got no budget to start their scam career hahaha. It is a huge temptation for a bigger scammer to tryout and take over.

Then how do you explain the rise of PH and india? You will see the rise of SEA/SA country or some cheaper EU country because the price to obtain data from those country is CHEAP.

 

[RedSnowman]

So you're not a seller here ?

Yes, like everyone else here, I am deliberately ignore game ToS.
And the fact of changing the owner of the item and the transfer of money from one individual to another doesnt change the situation. Drug dealing wont make me a seller, it will make me a criminal.

According to what epicnpc said its illegal in Europe to ask a player to not sell his account

Its about full games like HALO. You bought a copy of the game, it is in your possession and you can resell it.
In the case of MMOs, the publishers position is almost always that users do not own the account. It and everything on it is the property of the publisher.