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@EpicNPC do you honor deletion requests in states that have a law passed but does not go into effect until January like the state of New Jersey? I am not providing my information to another 3rd party service as verification i paid for was lifetime and I am not trusting some random 3rd party. If you won't change your mind, site is useless to me. And quite frankly tired of scammers pretending to be me.
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I dont like this change and i am think about future steps for using this site. Anyways there are already good alternatives with less rules against sellers, so everyone can move on there and thats it.
These all ID verifications are just bonus tool for scammers, buying someone else ID on the streets of Kosovo, Bangalore or Islamabad is cheap for person who can make 1k$ from simple scam. And having ID verified badge is just bonus perk which they can show to dumb victims ,which are now misslead by EPICNPC that they are safe. Admins often ignore fact that scammers adapt to any change within hour and turn that in their favor. TG was supposed to fight scammers, and we all see how good is TG in that fight.
These all ID verifications are just bonus tool for scammers, buying someone else ID on the streets of Kosovo, Bangalore or Islamabad is cheap for person who can make 1k$ from simple scam. And having ID verified badge is just bonus perk which they can show to dumb victims ,which are now misslead by EPICNPC that they are safe. Admins often ignore fact that scammers adapt to any change within hour and turn that in their favor. TG was supposed to fight scammers, and we all see how good is TG in that fight.
I don't see any transactions with unverified sellers in your feedback history, In the end you choose a seller who has been verifiedyes, and for years, before i even learn about this site, compared to my previous market, scams here are pretty tame. also, i dont see the point of having verified ID if epicnpc wont release the info of the scammer or report it to authorities, they can also just fake it or make a new acc with their friends/relatives or pay some random ass mfker who doesnt give a fk for a few. just a false sense of security. same as cooking wearing gloves.
now this is just based on my experience, could just be my luck too, but i never got scammed with sellers with random ass anime pictures and not even a hint of who they are in real life, as long as they have a good reputation and can provide proof of transactions then its good to go. But whenever i bought one its always cheap 10-30$ starter acc so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I mean the situation between Epicnpc vs Scammer is a little bit like old Twitter vs impersonator.
You ban the one fake, they create another two new profile, spread like a virus the more you spend your time and waste your resource to anti it.
So compromise solution was found by allowing imposter so long as the fake put fan/parody/not affiliated instead of brute force rejecting them outright. Win win solution for every side.
Just run through a basic scan today and buying a full package of ID(real not ai) + bank accounts only cost around $100 here at Malaysia. If that amount in exchange managed to get an absolute Epicnpc Guaranteed Trusted vouch, the scammer will be in for a good feast.
Well good luck for those who decided to leave. Time will tell whether this decision is a hit or a miss in a year or two. We, the sellers will be the first to experience it hahaha.
You ban the one fake, they create another two new profile, spread like a virus the more you spend your time and waste your resource to anti it.
So compromise solution was found by allowing imposter so long as the fake put fan/parody/not affiliated instead of brute force rejecting them outright. Win win solution for every side.
Just run through a basic scan today and buying a full package of ID(real not ai) + bank accounts only cost around $100 here at Malaysia. If that amount in exchange managed to get an absolute Epicnpc Guaranteed Trusted vouch, the scammer will be in for a good feast.
Well good luck for those who decided to leave. Time will tell whether this decision is a hit or a miss in a year or two. We, the sellers will be the first to experience it hahaha.
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For a couple of $ actually. Even i do support this change, this is going to hurt us much more then these against this change is actually made. And this makes me really pissed.you can get a verification service literally for anything for not more than 20 eur, I know a lot of people that used it for faceit and binance
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Because most of transactions happen on discord since most of buyers prefer adding the seller on discord then creating and activating epicnpc account with a phone number
I hope that rather than straight deleting these threads it will instead be archived for record keeping purposes.
this is something i never liked, sites asking for personal ID verifications, what if something happens a information leak a hacker like has happened in the past all those who verified sended theyre IDs could be victims to ID steal.
I would think it 3 times before sending my personal informations on the web
I would think it 3 times before sending my personal informations on the web
In my case, I sell only high-end accounts, with an average sale of around $800 USD. I’m always open to using Trade Guardian and often mention it in my threads, but many customers hesitate due to the higher fees associated with larger transactions.
Another option could be offering a sliding scale for fees, where the percentage decreases as the transaction amount increases. This way, customers would still have the security of TG but with a fee that feels more reasonable for higher payments.
This approach might make TG more attractive to high-end buyers.
yep same here everytime i ask buyers we can use TG aswell they start backing off cause of the high fees, theres plenty of options to fight scammers or fake accounts, like you said make TG more affordable and they could make it mandatory to only use TG so there cant be scams, i really hope EPICNPC reverses this change cause personally i dont feel comfortable sharing my personal IDs online, till then im better off looking at other sites to continue my business
The admin could consider automating the intermediation process as much as possible by adding workflows, an E2E form for account information, and allowing a middleman to handle a limited number of transactions, say three. This would minimize effort and increase ROI.
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Dont know why anyone with decent number of positive feedbacks and good trading history should use TG, its slow, tedious and expensive process , and sellers have 0 benefits of using same. Buyers are in bit better position , during trading process, after trade is completed they have same risk and 0 help if seller is scammer / thief.
And verification in this form should be for MM or for people who want to use TG as only method to conduct sales, no for random guy who decides to sell his account. MM staff is dealing with money and buyers on epicnpc directly, and they are involved in whole money transfer process. Non TG sellers / buyers arent.
And verification in this form should be for MM or for people who want to use TG as only method to conduct sales, no for random guy who decides to sell his account. MM staff is dealing with money and buyers on epicnpc directly, and they are involved in whole money transfer process. Non TG sellers / buyers arent.
thats so true you get lots of good reviews for a reason to show that youre a serious seller and keep the TG money fees for yourself since its not a small amount in the end if you sell an account for quite a nig amount of money, i am pretty sure now there are not going to be that many new sellers that are willing to go through all of this just to sell theyre account, a lot are going to switch over other sites
I need some help, I sent my ID in order get verified again the same one as previous one and the system didn't recognize it and denied it, I hope some of the admins can help, I don't want to lose my account, almost 10 years in here.
What about the blessings WE brought to them? Money, money and even more money ...
Smh, we're not giving back for anything, what we had before was reciprocal relationship between epicNPC and their sellers and what we have now is simply epicNPC going even furher by stepping on our toes just so they can make more money lol
You can bet they are not being KYC compliant for nothing, it's all shady deals behind the scenes in which our IDs will end up god knows where??? This is not something I'll support , I'll hope others won't as well
yea i know that ive actually got scammed once off of TG still to this day dont know how lol
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I view this as a total waste of my time, why am I being asked to be verified, 13 years... hundreds of 100% positive feedback.. Its not helping anyone by forcing a seller like me to get verified. The scammers are the buyers that try to lure people to discord and pretend to be the sellers with high feedback..
Everytime someone posts on my thread with an offer, or a question, they get spammed by PM, usually by unregistered users pretending to be me. I dont have the solutions, but forcing tried and true sellers that have literally built the traffic on this site doesnt feel right.
Everytime someone posts on my thread with an offer, or a question, they get spammed by PM, usually by unregistered users pretending to be me. I dont have the solutions, but forcing tried and true sellers that have literally built the traffic on this site doesnt feel right.
TG sadly only provides safety for receiving said item you are buying or selling. Doesn’t save you from potential scams that happen after the fact. Still better than having to go back and forth on who goes first in my opinion.
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Sorry, i still curious. I just verified on 28 aug, so i need to reverify again or no?
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I've already verified in the past and paid a fee to upgrade that verification. Over 11 years on the site as an infrequent buyer/seller with perfect 5 Star Feedback.
I'm not going to verify again as I've already jumped through that security hoop. I really don't think it should be a requirement for trusted members that have been part of the site for so many years.
Disappointing new requirement to say the least.
I'm not going to verify again as I've already jumped through that security hoop. I really don't think it should be a requirement for trusted members that have been part of the site for so many years.
Disappointing new requirement to say the least.
Every1 focusing on the negative instead of looking at it objectively.
Will this change affect sellers at all? No, sellers will still bump their selling threads and peeps will go to their website or add their cord to conduct a transaction
Will this reduce the amount of scammers? Yes, obviously not all of them but good portion of them or %, not all of the scammers are so ahead of the curve with bunch of fake ids and everything rolling ready to create a new account. In fact most scammers do it once then get banned afterwards, this will prevent them from coming back on epicnpc ever again. If it reduces 5% of the total scams on the website im all for it, it's a win in my book.
Mike is clearly trying to make this website safer place for average consumer and i can respect that, i don't mind sending in my documents, neither should any seller if they plan on conducting business on epicnpc.
Something else id like to add is g 2 g / player-auctions or similar websites have literally the same kyc policy, you have to verify by submitting documents before listing a offer. The concept of epicnpc is similar, only difference is here on epicnpc the deal is done outside of the website in most cases, which is why sellers need to be verified even more.
Will this change affect sellers at all? No, sellers will still bump their selling threads and peeps will go to their website or add their cord to conduct a transaction
Will this reduce the amount of scammers? Yes, obviously not all of them but good portion of them or %, not all of the scammers are so ahead of the curve with bunch of fake ids and everything rolling ready to create a new account. In fact most scammers do it once then get banned afterwards, this will prevent them from coming back on epicnpc ever again. If it reduces 5% of the total scams on the website im all for it, it's a win in my book.
Mike is clearly trying to make this website safer place for average consumer and i can respect that, i don't mind sending in my documents, neither should any seller if they plan on conducting business on epicnpc.
Something else id like to add is g 2 g / player-auctions or similar websites have literally the same kyc policy, you have to verify by submitting documents before listing a offer. The concept of epicnpc is similar, only difference is here on epicnpc the deal is done outside of the website in most cases, which is why sellers need to be verified even more.
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While I can appreciate a positive look on this and agree Mike's intent is in the right place. There is so much identity theft and hackings going on out there. We shouldn't be forced to expose ourselves to more risk with yet another outside company that can be hacked at any time. It will down the road be shown to have poor security of users data I am sure of it. Verifying your id on here won't stop the actual scams going on involving this website. It almost all completely discord based. I get tons of pm's about impersonators of me constantly. You are also given an almost completely free pass to scam here as long as you don't use trade guardian anyway. so you can verify your id and just scam anyway just avoid trade guardian and talk off site.
So if the scammers are still passing verification with the (NEW SYSTEM) then how does this make it safer?
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Eh?
You got your logic twisted a bit, if there's trades happening outside the website why tf is it then in anyone's interest that you're verified???
Trading outside TG or even purely on discord implies certain level of trust in between both parties , and if you get scammed well that's on you! (Why didn't you stay on epicNPC for all the communication, why didn't you get TG?)
It's whole another story with g 2 g and the other website's, they have automated systems that the buyers MUST be confident about. Afterall they guarantee that you'll get the account within seconds after payment so if you are getting scammed you're gonna be blaming g 2 g for what happened.
There's nothing like that here, this website offers 0 guarantees!!! Even if you get scammed via TG , you don't get your money back or the account.
It was built on the mutual trust between buyers and the sellers - no automated systems , very little rules and open environment- kinda lika faire or a flea market in that anyone can come and trade. And up to this date it's been working alright, why the need for change I don't understand??
There's a reason that sellers list here and not n g 2 g.
This changes everything about that dynamic , there's no more equal trust between buyer/seller - instead the sellers are treated as potential scammers from the get go, having to jump through countless hoops and give highly personal information all for what? (So they would be less inclined to scam in the future??)
This is not equal treatment for sellers and the buyers, it's how you treat criminals, like legit makes me wanna puke just thinking about it. You give veriff ALL of your personal information and where does it end up/what happens to it is anyone's guess.
Many users already mentioned that veriff is a shady company and was sued very recently for secretly collecting personal information , it settled out of court just so the details of what it was doing with all that info woulnd't leak out.
Sure doesn't seem like they have the best interests for all the naive users that verified through them... (I mean why would they when it's only 4M$ to settle out of court and in the meanwhile they can earn billions from selling all that info)
Nice to know people can bypass verification for $5. To be honest, the change was pretty untimely for US based members as there was a massive SSN breach a few weeks ago from the National Public Database, so everyone here’s on guard about their personal information.
At least verified resellers will probably see more traffic now since new users will flock to them to sell their accounts instead of verifying just to sell 1 or 2 accounts.
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someone got scammed by someone called"epicnpc" on discord,he was asking for money deposit to finish the seller verification , everybody take care!
Did you say if you get scammed via TradeGuardian, you don't get your money back?
Didn't the administrator say that the reason the fees are being marked up is because of potential disputes and having to refund the buyer?
If there is no benefit to using TradeGuardian, then what is the point of this change or the system itself?
The only way to avoid scams is due diligence or a system where a deposit is made, and the transaction quantities/benefits you can deal with/receive vary as an algorithmic metric of trust and deposit.
simple example
you are buying a steam account with 100 games, you will use TG, everything went smooth and you both are happy, buyer paid, seller received the money, but after few days/weeks, the seller decides to recover the account that he sold and the buyer can't do anything about it, because he doesn't have the original details that were used for the account creation
boom, you just got scammed with a trade guardian
1. No, we do not handle the payment between buyer/seller. Except escrow which might be able to be refunded. I never used the system so I do not know all the ins and outs of it.
2. No, the fees are as low as possible.
3. The benefit of using trade guardian is that it helps avoid some scams. Its impossible to avoid all scams. Anywhere that promises this is lying. Trade guardian is to ensure that a transaction is completed. Money is sent to seller and account is sent to buyer. This is were most scams occur.
4. Even this can be abused.
Sellers having to force-verify themselves in order to conduct business on epicnpc automatically makes epicnpc safer place in the eyes of a buyer. If i was a buyer i would feel safer knowing that the person im buying from submitted some sort of identification, even if he has like 5 positive feedbacks only.
To my understanding epicnpc has/had a battle against scammers since day 1 and they're finally doing something about it and this is the communitys response? Kinda brutal to be honest
The only real argument you guys have is that "veriff" cant be trusted, which i can understand why you would think that but at the same time let's not pretend like mike fell from a tree and that he's not doing this for YEARS. I'm sure he looked into it and knows more than we do so maybe give him more benefit of the doubt instead of going all out berserk mode.
On top of that why do you submit your documents to paypal? They're 1.3 on trustpilot, theyre notorious banning & not giving a reason and on top of that taking the money out of your account as their monetary damage policy. People are aware of how shady paypals practice is yet they're still using it to this day and it's #1 payment processing service and probably will be for a very long time.
I read so many comments that go like "what stops scammers from getting a new id and creating a new account?" Well, nothing dude, they can do that everywhere if they have access to that kind of stuff and not just epicnpc. The point is to filter out some scammers from the site or a percentage of them, obviously you cant get rid of them all but it's a start of something good at least and im all for it. If you're so close minded that you can't see that then idk what else to say tbh
To my understanding epicnpc has/had a battle against scammers since day 1 and they're finally doing something about it and this is the communitys response? Kinda brutal to be honest
The only real argument you guys have is that "veriff" cant be trusted, which i can understand why you would think that but at the same time let's not pretend like mike fell from a tree and that he's not doing this for YEARS. I'm sure he looked into it and knows more than we do so maybe give him more benefit of the doubt instead of going all out berserk mode.
On top of that why do you submit your documents to paypal? They're 1.3 on trustpilot, theyre notorious banning & not giving a reason and on top of that taking the money out of your account as their monetary damage policy. People are aware of how shady paypals practice is yet they're still using it to this day and it's #1 payment processing service and probably will be for a very long time.
I read so many comments that go like "what stops scammers from getting a new id and creating a new account?" Well, nothing dude, they can do that everywhere if they have access to that kind of stuff and not just epicnpc. The point is to filter out some scammers from the site or a percentage of them, obviously you cant get rid of them all but it's a start of something good at least and im all for it. If you're so close minded that you can't see that then idk what else to say tbh
I have read all the replies but still don't get it why old sellers that already went through verification have to do this again.
Can I still keep my old thread? Previously in March you mentioned that after 45 days you gonna delete them. EXCEPT paid sticky thread.
That's kinda... hmmm. So I can buy sticky thread for a year and avoid verification?
One thing for sure I am not feeling safe using 3rd party platform to verify. Selling accounts is already prohibited activity, what are the consequences? Like for example buyer decided to trick that he lost access to account. If the account worth for example $5k, he goes to court - does it mean you have to send them my information? Sheesh. List goes on.
Can I still keep my old thread? Previously in March you mentioned that after 45 days you gonna delete them. EXCEPT paid sticky thread.
That's kinda... hmmm. So I can buy sticky thread for a year and avoid verification?
One thing for sure I am not feeling safe using 3rd party platform to verify. Selling accounts is already prohibited activity, what are the consequences? Like for example buyer decided to trick that he lost access to account. If the account worth for example $5k, he goes to court - does it mean you have to send them my information? Sheesh. List goes on.
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The main mistake so far is that the profile of people who leave comments and reviews does not have a closed nickname *** and they can be clicked on (it's time to fix this to protect buyers), scammers can deceive them under the guise of a seller in Discord or somewhere else by simply going to the seller's profile and writing them a message, it's probably difficult to change this in 2024? And the fact that people who have been trading on the site for more than 8 years and they again need to go through some kind of incomprehensible verification, this idea only causes negativity ...
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Okay, let's say I want to verify with Veriff, I C A N ' T. I simply cannot, they do not recognize my ID (even though on their website they say they do), and when I made a ticket for EpicNpc support, guess what they told me? Welp, too bad. They told me and I quote
"I'm sorry, but at this time only Latin/English IDs are being accepted. If you're ID is in a different language, you will have to use another type.
For most countries we accept the following types of ID. However depending on your country, not all options are available.
- Drivers License
- Passport
- Residential Permit
- ID Card
I cannot do any of this at all. Residential permit is not a thing here in Egypt and even if it is, it will be in Arabic (Which again, they say that they support on their website but they don't)
0 Shot I can get a passport as it is genuine hell to get it here
Drivers License is also in Arabic and I don't have one because I don't drive
Only thing I have is my ID card which SHOULD BE more than enough but nooooooo
What annoys me the most is that I already got verified by a human (aka EpicNpc staff), why do I need to reverify with an AI? I legit do not get this part of the decision. It makes 0 sense, actually 0 logic behind it.
I need an answer to these two problems the most.
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The only issue here is the fact that sellers are submitting real life information that may or may not be used against them in the future which can be abused by bad actors. Veriff is just a convenient excuse that everyone will use but is valid enough as advancements in scamming and data collection have evolved over the years.
In my honest opinion I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to verify as Epic is fairly trusted and reputable however it's not worth a data breach just to sell a few accounts here and there which is a majority of the sellers here. In a lot of seller's eyes this decision can be seen as terrible due to the fact that everyone is required to verify regardless of how long or how much feedback they've gained over the past years. People with 10 years activity or hundreds of feedback is now treated the same as someone who literally just registered their account the other day.
This brings up a point that Epic has that low of a trust with its sellers and is essentially shackling down everyone for the greater good which in my opinion is still very drastic to the say least. I said this before and I'll say it again, admins do not need to handhold the people who end up getting scammed, there is a reason why people are scammed in the first place and more likely than not, it is because of very obvious red flags that they choose to ignore for the sake of their goal whether it's a cheap deal or something that is too good to be true. This is not to undermine the people who have been wrongfully scammed despite using middleman and or stolen accounts, but it is the case for most scams taken place (Discord, off-site middleman, chargeback, impersonators, etc)
I will not say their decision is wrong as it is something that has been agreed upon by their admin team, but I will not support it as I am against sharing real life information to an unknown 3rd party. Regardless of the outcome of the situation, at the end of the day, it is what it is so I will settle for whatever conclusion is drawn.
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