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[EpicNPC]

If the escrow service was 0.5%-1% fee, it would be acceptable but 6-9% is a significant markup to any transaction not in the thousands.

Let's say you complete 100 transactions, average value is $400, so $40,000 total. You charge 1% and profit $400 total

1 transaction is disputed an you lose $400.
Profit = $0

You would be bankrupt on day 2 of your business with this rate. Simply accepting an online payment costs 3%. There's a reason the other sites charge 10-15% for holding payments.

We make ZERO profit for the escrow service at our 6% rate. 100% is paid to Trustap, Epicnpc makes nothing. We did this keep fees low while we build our user base and make improvements to the system. We still have a lot of improvements we want to make, but eventually we plan to increase the fee to 10% to match competitors.

 

[km165]

Let's say you complete 100 transactions, average value is $400, so $40,000 total. You charge 1% and profit $400 total

1 transaction is disputed an you lose $400.
Profit = $0

You would be bankrupt on day 2 of your business with this rate. Simply accepting an online payment costs 3%. There's a reason the other sites charge 10-15% for holding payments.

We make ZERO profit for the escrow service at our 6% rate. 100% is paid to Trustap, Epicnpc makes nothing. We did this keep fees low while we build our user base and make improvements to the system. We still have a lot of improvements we want to make, but eventually we plan to increase the fee to 10% to match competitors.

That is simply the intrinsic price of trust.
For low transaction amounts, the risk of getting scammed and the magnitude of cost is significant but low.
For high transaction amounts, the risk of getting scammed is variable but the magnitude of cost is high enough to warrant insurance.

There is no back-end intermediator that will do anything for free, and setting up the infrastructure yourself would be a timely endeavor with liability risks.
The net effect would just be a lower total transactional quantity, though with a significantly lower shrinkage/default claim rate.

In the end I assume mostly only large-sellers whom do this for a living or are resellers, and those with large accounts will transact.
Those with low feedback/are new and verified would probably have to discount significantly or see no buyers. I believe Chinese marketplace apps had something of even greater deterrence such as requiring a deposit before being able to sell and that would be forfeited if the reputation dropped or something (i.e. not an escrow), which probably would be even more effective than an ID requirement though would potentially deter more sellers.

 

[MistiServices]

That is simply the intrinsic price of trust.
For low transaction amounts, the risk of getting scammed and the magnitude of cost is significant but low.
For high transaction amounts, the risk of getting scammed is variable but the magnitude of cost is high enough to warrant insurance.

There is no back-end intermediator that will do anything for free, and setting up the infrastructure yourself would be a timely endeavor with liability risks.
The net effect would just be a lower total transactional quantity, though with a significantly lower shrinkage/default claim rate.

In the end I assume mostly only large-sellers whom do this for a living or are resellers, and those with large accounts will transact.
Those with low feedback/are new and verified would probably have to discount significantly or see no buyers. I believe Chinese marketplace apps had something of even greater deterrence such as requiring a deposit before being able to sell and that would be forfeited if the reputation dropped or something (i.e. not an escrow), which probably would be even more effective than an ID requirement though would potentially deter more sellers.

Most of big sellers / resellers are not using TG i think, we are conducting whole transaction on He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named app, and whenever TG is used, i belive mostly buyers pay fees.

 

[Alpaszer]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

VPNs have been main stream for a few years. We used to ban users when VPNs were uncommon, but now over 30% of members use VPNs or proxies. We cannot block or ban members based on VPN usage.

Seller scams has been on the rise, so we expect this update to have a significant impact (improvement) in regards to this.

We cannot allow some sellers to be verified and not others. This is a compliance issue and allowing members to sell without verification would mean we are not in compliance. Therefore every seller must be verified. We cannot add an exception, I'm sorry.

Veriff provides some additional verification tools we previously did not have. We plan to setup new security alerts in the future to add improvement based on what we see over the next few days and weeks. We know scammers will try to pass the verification process and have already seen a few, but this still be improved as we go.

We do not plan to change our site format. We will remain free and TG will remain optional.


Keep in mind those stats are only phone verified members. The total is probably 50-60% for all registered accounts were banned. We know one scam group makes 50+ account per day for the last 3 years. Every. Single. Day. This is not okay with me.

We're not adding this verification requirement without a good reason. This percentage must significantly decrease. We expect this update to help and as we optimize the new security settings over the next few weeks and months, we expect to see a significantly improvement.


The dispute process will not change. We will not investigate non-TG disputes. Off-site disputes are extremely time consuming, claims that messages were edited or deleted or it was an impostor are very common. Many times we can't even accept the evidence submitted and have to request video. I can complete many TG investigations in the same time it takes to investigate 1 off-site dispute. This is not an acceptable trade off.

Investigation on-site disputes can be reconsidered. The main issue is many times evidence is off-site, so we have to collect evidence anyway. This is not something we want to do, but we'll consider it in the future.

Ideas for Monetization, Security, and Enhancing User Experience

1. Form a New Team of Off-Site Moderators: Consider creating a new team of off-site moderators and inviting community members to volunteer.

2. Enhance User Engagement by Gamifying the Site: You might boost user engagement by gamifying the site with features like achievements, rewards, and titles that users can earn through different activities. To further encourage participation, you could add elements like houses or divisions and set up an events calendar to create more interaction and competition.

3. Introduce a Paid Subscription Model for Sellers: To generate additional revenue, you could introduce a paid subscription model for sellers. This would allow them to upgrade their profiles into full-featured storefronts where they can list products, access advanced analytics (such as daily, weekly, and monthly profile and thread views), and manage their sales. Integrating a payment gateway could enable sellers to accept payments in cryptocurrency, while buyers could choose to pay with a debit card or crypto. The site could then earn a small commission on each transaction.

4. Integrate Financial Analytics for Better Tracking: Improving financial tracking could be achieved by integrating analytics with the Trade Guardian (TG) input box. When a seller marks a thread as sold, the system could automatically update financial reports for daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly periods. Showing this data in graphs could help sellers better understand their performance and refine their strategies, it also encourages members to set a price and use Trade Guardian for every thread.

5. Upgrade Pro Seller Subscriptions to Work Like Personal Websites: You might consider enhancing the pro seller subscription to function more like a personal website. This could offer full customization options, including a payment gateway, detailed analytics, and various linking features. Such an upgrade could attract sellers who are considering creating their own websites or using third-party storefront services like Sellix or Sellpass, ultimately bringing more business to the platform.

6. Promote Trade Guardian Usage with Enhanced Visibility: Adding a Trade Guardian button with instant fee calculations on every pro seller’s shop could encourage more users to utilize it. Each product listing could have two options: one for a direct purchase and another for purchasing with TG. Hovering over the TG button could display the fee based on the seller’s price, making the benefits of using TG clearer and more appealing.

7. Allow Pro Sellers to Create Custom Forms: Enabling pro sellers to create custom forms on their storefronts to capture email leads could be a valuable feature for marketing and follow-up purposes, helping sellers build their customer base more effectively, you can even add a Notion integration.

8. Develop an Integrated Communication App: Consider developing an application that connects directly with the site’s inbox and includes features like contact management, group channels, category-specific chats, and a general chat area. This could streamline communication and enhance the overall user experience.

9. Adjust Free and Pro Plan Features: There are some existing features that could be shifted from the free plan to the pro plan, such as canned messages and the ability to see uncensored Trade Guardian transaction details and feedback. In the past, this kind of transparency allowed me to monitor what competitors were selling, understand market demand for high-value accounts, and refine my own offerings based on what was working for others. I would gladly pay to regain the ability to access these details and track competitors and their customers more closely.

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Marketing

• Content Creation: Consider hiring someone to produce game news content for platforms like Instagram, X (formerly Twitter), TikTok, YouTube, Facebook groups, Telegram groups, and Reddit. Additionally, you could enable a blog to aggregate all gaming news.
• Podcast: Think about launching a podcast with the moderators. For example, a podcast similar to "Darknet Diaries" could be engaging.
• Telegram Group: Instead of a Discord server, consider creating an official Telegram group as an alternative to Discord.
• Value-Driven Content: Create high-quality content that provides value in the gaming news niche. Distribute this content widely with eye-catching graphics and videos to drive traffic to EpicNPC. This content should not only offer top-notch news but also highlight services like account purchases and boosting.
• Referral System: Implement a referral program. Encourage others to create content for EpicNPC and pay them based on performance, such as $100 USD per 100,000 views or similar milestones.
• Streamer Recruitment: You could recruit a few volunteers to stream games on platforms like Kick, Twitch, and YouTube for the EpicNPC platform. In exchange for their efforts, offer them visibility on the website by adding a dedicated streamers page.

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These are just ideas, feel free to use what works best for you and discard what doesn’t. If you have any suggestions or improvements, please share them with the community! Let’s work together to take Epic to new heights!

Together, we can all rise. Let’s make it happen and grow as one.

 

[EgySamoha]

I hope you can roll back to the old rules or at least add more supported languages and countries to the ID verification because not all people have passports!

If not, I think you will lose many people from your website.

Because it's not that easy to get a Passport due to the rules of the countries.

I hope you understand my point and be neutral.

Thank you.

 

[EgySamoha]

Also, veriff.com says that Supported documents "Open the door to users in more than 230 countries and territories across the globe" and I'm from Egypt ID should be acceptable in EpicNPC.

Also, veriff.com says about Supported languages "Our user interface supports 48 unique languages and dialects" My main language is Arabic and this should be acceptable in EpicNPC.

Please review the situation and understand everyone's circumstances.

Thank you again.

 

[The Store]

While I would like to agree with the changes made, isn't this decision a bit too drastic? If people are getting scammed in large by other users, they should be responsible for their actions regardless of the consequences. People who are using this website clearly aren't toddlers the admins need to hand hold. The reality is people will scam if they want to and even if this does help solve the issue temporarily, people will find ways to bypass this measure (let's not even mention the fact that someone could just hire a random guy or falsify their ID). If the admins truly want a way to stop scams from happening, then making TG mandatory or a payment service which is in no way possible to revert the payment sent is the only option. Another point that should be taken into consideration as others have said is the fact that this will turn away a lot of new sellers in general as people don't exactly like giving their personal info online even if it is a positive preventative measure to keep bad apples out. Not to mention that every single member is required to verify their ID despite some being here for multiple years with no issues or hundreds of positive feedback. EpicNPC is meant to be a forum open to anyone and everyone, not some sort of gate that should only be accessed by certain individuals.

 

[Sasoriyo]

Hello,

What is stopping unverified members from simply bumping their existing threads, or editing their current threads to new ones in order to avoid this?

 

[deu8n]

@EpicNPC @EpicNPC CM @EpicNPC Mod GG

It was a good ride but this is not something I will support. Requiring ID just to use your website is INSANE! And no I don't think that "banning scammers" is a good enough reason, or that there is any tbh when not even fucxking ebay asks you for a verification like this!

Sad to see such a good website go to waste but I'll be looking for alternatives, there are much better websites out there in terms of having actual features like price sorting and automated info release systems ... The only reason I'm here is because I loved the open platform you are hosting but now there is really no reason to stick around if this is the direction you want to pursue, utter insanity making everyone else's experience shxit just so you can ban "scammers" that are gonna find ways around this anyways !

Good luck everyone, hopefully we meet again on a better platform!

 

[The Integrity]

While I would like to agree with the changes made, isn't this decision a bit too drastic? If people are getting scammed in large by other users, they should be responsible for their actions regardless of the consequences. People who are using this website clearly aren't toddlers the admins need to hand hold. The reality is people will scam if they want to and even if this does help solve the issue temporarily, people will find ways to bypass this measure (let's not even mention the fact that someone could just hire a random guy or falsify their ID). If the admins truly want a way to stop scams from happening, then making TG mandatory or a payment service which is in no way possible to revert the payment sent is the only option. Another point that should be taken into consideration as others have said is the fact that this will turn away a lot of new sellers in general as people don't exactly like giving their personal info online even if it is a positive preventative measure to keep bad apples out. Not to mention that every single member is required to verify their ID despite some being here for multiple years with no issues or hundreds of positive feedback. EpicNPC is meant to be a forum open to anyone and everyone, not some sort of gate that should only be accessed by certain individuals.

While I agree that this is a drastic move that could have been handled differently, making TG mandatory instead would have been worse in that regard. With this we are at least somewhere in between.

 

[Sremke]

I think that a successful leader in a country is one who recognizes the spirit of the people and manages to function accordingly. This decision about mandatory verification in order to be able to sell something is something that changes the concept of this story. After such a change, the only thing that can happen is a change of members, and that seems drastic to me. Whether we will manage to survive as a community by changing the type of people who use this marketplace is a big question. To summarize how this looks - One type of people who use the forum as a free seller without special restrictions ( ID card) leaves because of the changes that PA has, for example. And then we should try to win over those who are already using a platform like PA, which would be very difficult when it comes to old users. I believe that there is much less competition in this format and a totally different type of people who sell here and let's say on PA. Decisions like this and the previous ones about tax identification are destroying this type of community slowly but surely.

 

[RedSnowman]

making TG mandatory...

TG free can be abused.
Escrow Trustap unavailable in half the world.
Personal MM is only good option, but $5 +6% for $5-10 item? Meh...

 

[deu8n]

I think that a successful leader in a country is one who recognizes the spirit of the people and manages to function accordingly. This decision about mandatory verification in order to be able to sell something is something that changes the concept of this story. After such a change, the only thing that can happen is a change of members, and that seems drastic to me. Whether we will manage to survive as a community by changing the type of people who use this marketplace is a big question. To summarize how this looks - One type of people who use the forum as a free seller without special restrictions (tax number, ID card) leaves because of the changes that PA has, for example. And then we should try to win over those who are already using a platform like PA, which would be very difficult when it comes to old users. I believe that there is much less competition in this format and a totally different type of people who sell here and let's say on PA. Decisions like this and the previous ones about tax identification are destroying this type of community slowly but surely.

Truly , this change in by itself doesn't help existing or new epicnpc users in the slightest ...

Got scammed? Too bad, at the worst seller will get ban but NO you won't be receiving your funds back and truly good luck trying to get any of the sellers info from epicnpc! (Hint: They won't tell you, and I'm pretty sure they can't either)

So who does this benefit? Apparently no one...

Epicnpc admins seem to think that new payment options are going to offset losing more than 50-70% of the sellers, and the naive users seem to think that any of this is going to help when we already have examples of what happens after a scam.

As for the scammers ? It's simply another obstacle to jump over, this new system isn't good enough to hold them back at all which is already confirmed with admins having to ban multiple scammer accounts that somehow passed the new verification...

Solutions? Team up with law enforcement agencies and start arresting people irl hahahaha

No but seriously , what is the point of this change if that's not your goal? You lose so much of the community and the only goal thqt you have in mind is: "We want to prevent scammers from opening new accounts"

HELLO! You already failed at doing that and I hope you reconsider rolling this whole thing back , utter nonsense.

 

[starglze]

Banned - Previously banned: Wilona

While I agree that this is a drastic move that could have been handled differently, making TG mandatory instead would have been worse in that regard. With this we are at least somewhere in between.

Why would mandating TG be worse? It's not like every transactions have to use TG if both users can't or don't want to pay the fee. What are the effects outside keeping the community safer? For example, suppose a seller posts a thread that a buyer likes; the seller does not allow TG middlemen in their thread, but the buyer is willing to pay the fee. Now the buyer is forced to go first, or vice versa, resulting in more scams. It makes sense because many scammers do not include a buy with middleman option in their postings. This site makes the majority of its money from middlemen, and even plans to boost the fee up to 10%. Isn't it unreasonable for someone to refuse a middleman when the other person can pay the fee? (Unless both can't) That's already an indication they don't plan to transact legitimately. Instead of marking users who refuses TG middleman as TWC or scammer like other platforms do, nothing at all is done.

 

[deu8n]

Why would mandating TG be worse? It's not like every transactions have to use TG if both users can't or don't want to pay the fee. What are the effects outside keeping the community safer? For example, suppose a seller posts a thread that a buyer likes; the seller does not allow TG middlemen in their thread, but the buyer is willing to pay the fee. Now the buyer is forced to go first, or vice versa, resulting in more scams. It makes sense because many scammers do not include a buy with middleman option in their postings. This site makes the majority of its money from middlemen, and even plans to boost the fee up to 10%. Isn't it unreasonable for someone to refuse a middleman when the other person can pay the fee? (Unless both can't) That's already an indication they don't plan to transact legitimately. Instead of marking users who refuses TG middleman as TWC or scammer like other platforms do, nothing at all is done.

The user above probably thinks that EpicNPC reputations is going to drop if you get scammed after using a middleman - like for example buyer issuing a payment chargeback or the seller repossessing the account... Or maybe not everyone wishes to pay the fee...

But the reality is nothing about this changes ... Sure the both parties might be a bit more hesitant to scam each other now that they already gave away their ID but there's no actual repercussions if they go ahead and do it anyways! Again the only repercussions are account ban , which as described in my earlier post doesn't prevent scammers from simply opening a new one, albeit a bit harder but still perfectly doable.

Again I'll reiterate from my earlier post - Unless epicNPC goes ahead and starts suing/arresting people IRL this whole charade is all bark and no bite. (And I surely hope I'm not giving them any new ideas here...)

 

[horror]

Banned - fake ID violation

@EpicNPC @EpicNPC CM @EpicNPC Mod GG

It was a good ride but this is not something I will support. Requiring ID just to use your shixty website is INSANE! And no I don't think that "banning scammers" is a good enough reason, or that there is any tbh when not even fucxking ebay asks you for a verification like this!

Sad to see such a good website go to waste but I'll be looking for alternatives, there are much better websites out there in terms of having actual features like price sorting and automated info release systems ... The only reason I'm here is because I loved the open platform you are hosting but now there is really no reason to stick around if this is the direction you want to pursue, utter insanity making everyone else's experience shxit just so you can ban "scammers" that are gonna find ways around this anyways !

Good luck everyone, hopefully we meet again on a better platform!

time to move to this website at least it dont ask for kyc or anything, and theres professional kind middlemans.

 

[noxya]

how about reconstructing the current TG and change it into midman only, making it mandatory. the current TG, just like other state, even if you investigate the dispute, the scammed practically didnt get anything back, youre just gonna banned the scammer and didnt even reveal their identity or something.

you can use this kind of system, removing all the current midman and epicnpc will hire employee that work as midman that gets paid from epicnpc monthly/weekly, just like any other job. make it like 2 or 3 shifts so it can cover 24hour a day. and along with this you also lower the price of using midman or you can give the flat amount like 1$ for 1$-50$ transaction, 5$ for 50,1$ - 100$ etc, the price increased depends on the amount of the money being processed.

with the lower price of midman, im pretty sure everyone will happily using midman. because theres only a few people want to pay 5$ + 6% of item for 10-50$ item.

 

[Angel]

time to move to this website at least it dont ask for kyc or anything, and theres professional kind middlemans.

Great decision, I opened an account on this platform about a year ago, to collect info about one scammer from here, and in less than a few days their entire data was compromised and someone tried to hack my steam account (was the same registration email). In compared to this platform EpicNPC is Fort Knox.

https://hackread.com/ogusers-hacker-forum-hacked-database-leaked/

Maybe you should try Player Auction (requires verification) or *** (also requires verification), or maybe Player UP (scammer website). Options for you guys are unlimited

 

[starglze]

Banned - Previously banned: Wilona

https://oguser.com/

time to move to this website at least it dont ask for kyc or anything, and theres professional kind middlemans.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/ogusers.com
Not so sure about that

 

[deu8n]

Great decision, I opened an account on this platform about a year ago, to collect info about one scammer from here, and in less than a few days their entire data was compromised and someone tried to hack my steam account (was the same registration email). In compared to this platform EpicNPC is Fort Knox.

https://hackread.com/ogusers-hacker-forum-hacked-database-leaked/

Maybe you should try Player Auction (requires verification) or *** (also requires verification), or maybe Player UP (scammer website). Options for you guys are unlimited

Or maybe someone is going to build a competitor that upholds the values that epicNPC used to have in the beginning! Free and open platform for everyone! (Not just "professional" sellers)

Thanks for the breakdown anyways, saves me the time to manually verify!

I'm still looking, there ain't no way I'm giving away my details just to sell shxity game account (Which also might be ILLEGAL depending on what laws your country has! EU it's sorta legal , other places? haha who knows)

 

[horror]

Banned - fake ID violation

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/ogusers.com
Not so sure about that

Those all fakes, i've been using it for ages no issues whatsoever i sold ton **** of accounts there and i have around 700 positive feedback.

 

[Angel]

Those all fakes, i've been using it for ages no issues whatsoever i sold ton **** of accounts there and i have around 700 positive feedback.

They even moved after the breach on the new domain OGUser to try to hide this shame

 

[Sasoriyo]

I've heard awful things about OGUsers. I'd rather send intimate pics as verification than be on that forum

 

[The Integrity]

Why would mandating TG be worse?

Because then we just turn into an inferior playerauctions/g2ġ . People who use epicnpc use it precisely as an alternative to those platforms.

Or maybe someone is going to build a competitor that upholds the values that epicNPC used to have in the beginning! Free and open platform for everyone! (Not just "professional" sellers)

That's likely to happen how things are going.

 

[Futen]

Or maybe someone is going to build a competitor that upholds the values that epicNPC used to have in the beginning! Free and open platform for everyone! (Not just "professional" sellers)

Thanks for the breakdown anyways, saves me the time to manually verify!

I'm still looking, there ain't no way I'm giving away my details just to sell shxity game account (Which also might be ILLEGAL depending on what laws your country has! EU it's sorta legal , other places? haha who knows)

Whatever the site, buyers always want to buy cheap prices, good quality, and safety, This will always be a guideline for all buyers.

Even when big sellers buy sticky thread they are still competing with sellers who sell at low prices.

 

[horror]

Banned - fake ID violation

They even moved after the breach on the new domain OGUser to try to hide this shame

Bud thats not the real one

im talking about the / .com one not /.gg one

And also everyone can do whatever they want like stay here or move idk etc none of my business anyways.

i just will never provide my ID or **** to any website simple as that.

have nice day to whoever reading this

 

[Angel]

Bud thats not the real one

im talking about the / .com one not /.gg one

And also everyone can do whatever they want like stay here or move idk etc none of my business anyways.

i just will never provide my ID or **** to any website simple as that.

have nice day to whoever reading this

It's the same one, they changed domain

 

[Alpaszer]

People who complain should understand that this is a family-friendly forum. EpicNPC is the top forum in its category, offering the best analytics, staff, middleman services, and customer support. As of today, it has no real competition. I’m aware of other forums, but I won’t name them, which is why I’m confident that EpicNPC stands unrivaled.

I believe it's a good idea to require sellers to be verified, as it reduces the chances of scams.

While it's true that some may try to bypass verification, most won’t know how. Even if they did, it would require significant time and resources, which would ultimately be exhausting for them.

There will always be scammers, but Epic shouldn't make it easy for them to steal from others, create as many obstacles as you can.

Eventually, scammers will start looking for other sites because EpicNPC will become too time-consuming, demanding too much effort and resources.

It’s easy to not care if people get scammed and just do the bare minimum, but then how is Epic any different from sites like ********?

Epic is designed for people who genuinely care about security, privacy, and lifetime accounts. Here, you’ll find sellers who care about you as a buyer, not bulk sellers from places like PlayerAuctions or G*2G who sell you something and disappear. With Epic, you get most of the time long-term support for what you purchase, complete transparency, and the reporting system is meaningful and effective, just like the feedback system.

 

[RedSnowman]

... EpicNPC is the top forum in its category...

... as it reduces the chances of scams...

... it would require significant time and resources, which would ultimately be exhausting for them.

The bar is kinda low...

So we should see significant changes in this data in the next two months?
https://www.epicnpc.com/banned/countries

About 10min and $5-10 for AI generated document. Binance kyc didnt find any issues witch his new french user after leaving my country.

 

[deu8n]

Eventually, scammers will start looking for other sites because EpicNPC will become too time-consuming, demanding too much effort and resources.

And what about sellers that don't want to go through the process - Won't they also look for other sites or are you just turning a blind eye to them?

You guys are confusing mass sellers with the everyday people that come here just to sell their old accounts (MANY won't agree to verify like this)

It's a major overreach that has no place on this website.

Your reasoning for reduced scamms is anecdotal at best , and yet nobody realizes that with this change even the buyers cannot make posts without verification!?

This is going further and further away from what epic NPC started as and if you guys think you have a chance of survival by stripping all your uniquness in favor of turning into a yet another markeplace... I think you're up for a surprise

Your competitors will hang you by the balls quite literally... You don't even have a prototype website in the works but are already implementing all these restrictions it's crazy!

 

[EpicNPC]

@Alpaszer Thank you for those suggestions. Some are already on our radar and we plan to make many adjustments to various systems over time to adjust for this new Verification requirement.

@EgySamoha For the issues with IDs in different languages, we are contacting Veriff about this to clarify why some of them are being flag. As posted by some members, Veriff states that Arabic and other languages are supported, so we're unsure why some ID are being rejected.

About 10min and $5-10 for AI generated document. Binance and his kyc didnt find any issues witch his new french user after leaving my country.

That wouldn't work. We will also be hardening the verification process over the next few weeks based on what we see scammers doing, so the process will only become better over time.

After using the system for nearly 48 hrs, I'm pleased with the results. There's some obvious issues we're still trying to resolve, mainly IDs in different languages not being accepted. Hopefully we'll get more info about this today so we can provide that to you. However overall it seems pretty smooth.

We'll have nearly a 1000 verified members within the next few hours, so it seems a large amount of active sellers have no issue with verifying their accounts. Based on this, I expect the majority of active sellers will become verified before the 30 days grace period ends.

For small sellers that might sell 1 or 2 accounts per year or every once in a long while, we do have plans to help them continue to use the site and sell, but that won't be available for some time.

 

[deu8n]

We'll have nearly a 1000 verified members within the next few hours, so it seems a large amount of active sellers have no issue with verifying their accounts. Based on this, I expect the majority of active sellers will become verified before the 30 days grace period ends.

Care to share with us how many active sellers have logged in since the change?

How many chose not to do anything and logged off?

With my own estimates based upon the numbers I pulled out of my ass

1000 seems like a rather small number.. Sounds like the majority of those come from the 1% that do this as a "regular job" - nothing wrong with that but I'd estimate the numbers to be far lower than that in the upcoming days

 

[deu8n]

we plan to make many adjustments to various systems over time to adjust for this new Verification requirement.

It's obvious that I'm barking at the wrong tree , so I guess nothing else left to do but let the results speak for themselves...

I wish you guys the best , and even tho I am not gonna be using this website I'm actually kinda curious to see what will become of this

Peace

 

[KappaDC]

Honestly, this situation makes me sad, since I have been a seller since 2021 without using verification, and having more than 50 sales on the website without problems, I will no longer be able to use it because they do not listen to the protests of their members. We gave them ideas and still they do not want to have empathy for a solution. Honestly, you are the safest website I have ever known and I have been loyal to you.

 

[KappaDC]

I still say that these rules should be implemented for new registered members from now on or from 2023.

 

[deu8n]

I still say that these rules should be implemented for new registered members from now on or from 2023.

Even better if it's never.

 

[ZZreroll.com]

Not so sure about this man.


Scammers can BUY KYC EASILY, this is the statement I want to make.
What is the point of trying to reduce scammers, when you cannot make it to 0, this will only benefit the survivor (scammers) and even encourage more scammers for an audition tryout on this platform because the return is appealing since you get the whole market to yourselves.


Sounds absurd? No, in my country, we have scammers, not trick but compromise/deal whatever you want to call with normal people(dumbo) to lend their bank account for a fixed monthly fee. For context, the amount offered is usually half the lowest minimum wage in our country (~$100) a month, or even lower if they can find a bigger dumbo. That is how easy to access a personal banking account, so KYC? also forget to add, with AI generated, even some of the strcitest KYC also being bypassed


I know that the rule is set dead long ago about not investigate scam dispute/feedback, sh*t happens with many think it is bad and while it is true at least it is good for mental health when you accept there will be unavoidable Karen, you tank the feedback/scam and stop being a bootlicker.


But the decision you guys made in recent years for other matters is seriously anti-seller more than anti-scammer. Sincere thought. In other future decisions, you guys need to start leverage back to the seller side, or else, you will lose more than what you expected because, less seller, price goes up, buyer going to other platform to buy, seller left de*d rotten here, Lose lose and lose for all 3 parties.


Scammers can't be stopped and dumbo cannot be protected forever, the best way to decrease the scam rate is for the victim to get scam once whether it is here there or anywhere, people learn from experience as 90% of buyers dont read a single sh*t, it is frustrating when you try so hard and talk so much, but it is what it is.


Although I dont really care about this feature will go through or not but I do believe that 99% of the members here are starting from simply create a member acc to sell their unwatnted gaming account ASAP and move on instead of choosing competitor website that have various complex procedure.


If it is time consuming to investigate dispute and purge scammers as per claim, I believe with the budget you guys gotten from selling ads space, able to hire at least a few more real life paid professional moderator to help manage the complain or man-mark potential scammer. Which I will be doing in a few moment to renew my banner/sticky ads that I have to do it one by one instead of bulk(sticky), a 10 minute time rush(banner), wasting at least one to two hours every month because I spent thousands on it with a lot of ads space on this unnecessary step that I request a re-work since like 2021 2022? Pain

 

[HowlingMark]

I was going to make a thread, but couldn't because I have to verify, so I just came here to leave me 2 cents. I like this site because I could just come here and sell stuff I have no use for. I have low feedback because of this. I don't want to have to verify and give my personal information to some company that expects me to trust them. I recently got ripped off, which taught me that I should not be so trusting even with high feedback people, and I need to be careful about wording as a lot of these buyers and sellers are from countries that don't speak English properly. Thanks to this bad experience, I see why people get scammed but it was their decision to trust those scammers and now I feel like needing to verify might incentivize some to just chargeback people to rip them off since they don't plan on verifying and can take their money back and businesses elsewhere. I'd take mandatory TG over trusting someone with my ID info and a picture of me. Scammers will always find a way to scam, this may slow them down, but it won't stop them. Personal information like that should never be given away so easily on the internet. I won't be verifying so I'll just have to find alternatives, but I still want to thank the people who made this site possible. It felt like a safe place to buy and sell for me and if I did ever get scammed it was my own fault for not being vigilant. I can't imagine what the mods have to deal with thanks to all the scammers, but if this decision helps ease the load, then you gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[Redfox49]

Banned - TG 115859 dispute

Terrible change. Good way to kill a website. Congratulations

 

[Tony and Friends]

I've heard awful things about OGUsers. I'd rather send intimate pics as verification than be on that forum

what about playe r u p?

 

[Tony and Friends]

i will re-KYC, no problems

but i agree this whole verification will not stop scammers
especially when there is modern ways to do fake documents with AI
everything can be bypassed with AI

 

[YourFriendlyFarmer]

As someone who heard about this site when i decided to quit Azur Lane and somehow even made a decent living for some months, i'm conflicted. I don't mind sending my ID, but it feels like it's affecting more the sellers than the scammers since not every scammer is on the seller side (hell, i had issues before of someone trying to scamming me one of the accounts but i noticed his strange behavior before we proceed further and blocked him). So... I think the site should also bat a eye on these buyer scammers too.

 

[Spies]

I am just now getting caught up. I actually went to go post a thread and was very confused when it wouldn’t let me. Now I know, lol. Anyway.
I think the intention behind the change is noble, in terms of trying to deter bad actors from taking advantage of others — but, I foresee its execution spelling out “ghost town” for EpicNPC. It’s a double-edged sword, really. Because while you may deter some scammers, you also alienate a large percentage of perfectly honest sellers that have fought tooth and nail to build/keep a solid reputation. Some of these people have been here for years and now either have to comply or get lost? Not for nothing, someone’s naivety and lack of street smarts should not be the reason that an entire community of people are forced into compliance. Particularly when the new rules completely change how its users interact with both the site and one another.
Additionally, this new policy only really punishes sellers, but fails to address scamming buyers that submit false chargebacks to recover funds. How is that fair? And what protections does the policy offer sellers who get ripped off by those scammers? If anything, make the change apply to both, buyers and sellers alike - so either party can be held accountable should anything go awry.
But again, that brings me back to my first point.
If you do that, absolutely nobody will use this site, and for a good reason which i’m about to mention.
You are twisting the arms of a LOT of people here. And not asking, but demanding a considerable amount of trust be placed in the hands of an otherwise dodgy 3rd party company. And I think that’s really unfair considering the amount of data breaches that occur these days. You will find that most people won’t cooperate with this, because people are becoming more vigilant in protecting their private information. And I am one of those people so I will not be using EpicNPC for as long as this stands.

All in all, respectfully, I do not support this and ask that you please reconsider your position on this issue.

There were some really good ideas for alternative measures mentioned in this thread already. And I really implore you to consider them, because i’m confident this decision is going to be a lot more impactful than you initially thought.

 

[Spies]

Price gouging is also another potential consequence of this. Taking away the ability to list based on verification essentially prevents a lot of smaller sellers from being able to offer competitive pricing. Basically allows ID verified sellers to monopolize their respective communities.
For example, two sellers have the exact same account up for sale. One seller is ID verified and has it listed at $200. The other, is not, and would’ve listed it at $50 but can’t because of the new policy. So you are now forced to either buy the $200 account and spend $150 more than you would’ve buying from the smaller seller. Or you get nothing.

 

[FumiFumiP]

I've been using EpicNPC since 2019, and I love this website and its services. It's the only platform I use for buying and selling. If I may share my opinion about this recent change:
it seems like it deals 100 damage to the scammers but 1,000 damage to EpicNPC, as it might cause the platform to lose many users who are not willing or unable to submit their IDs.

 

[Fluentcee]

Price gouging is also another potential consequence of this. Taking away the ability to list based on verification essentially prevents a lot of smaller sellers from being able to offer competitive pricing. Basically allows ID verified sellers to monopolize their respective communities.
For example, two sellers have the exact same account up for sale. One seller is ID verified and has it listed at $200. The other, is not, and would’ve listed it at $50 but can’t because of the new policy. So you are now forced to either buy the $200 account and spend $150 more than you would’ve buying from the smaller seller. Or you get nothing.

There will still be plenty of people on the website who will verify for there to not be a monopolies. Also these are just video game accounts, which are luxury items. No one will feel forced to buy an account if a seller tries to demand too high of price. They'll just move on or look to another seller or different item. Verification won't really have any bearing unless you assume only large sellers will continue to use the site which I'm sure will not be the case. Anywhere these potential sellers go would run into the same issues on any popular platform. At least here there is free market options on how you'll conduct the sale and not have your funds held hostage by a company who is also taking 15%.

Overall this change is meant to force scammers to either leave this website or to invest a significantly higher time, resource, or even capital or monetary requirement to bypass the verification. They'd have to be able to get more from a scam than this increased effort is worth to even make it viable for them. I think the result will be a much safer marketplace. If people really have an issue with verifying, then that's their decision. However you've probably already used one or another KYC compliance required site that already has your info. Wise, which is an extremely popular payment processor I see frequently used here, also uses the same verification service as EpicNPC. You'll likely have a hard time finding quality websites that are not KYC compliant these days.

 

[Futen]

I am just now getting caught up. I actually went to go post a thread and was very confused when it wouldn’t let me. Now I know, lol. Anyway.
I think the intention behind the change is noble, in terms of trying to deter bad actors from taking advantage of others — but, I foresee its execution spelling out “ghost town” for EpicNPC. It’s a double-edged sword, really. Because while you may deter some scammers, you also alienate a large percentage of perfectly honest sellers that have fought tooth and nail to build/keep a solid reputation. Some of these people have been here for years and now either have to comply or get lost? Not for nothing, someone’s naivety and lack of street smarts should not be the reason that an entire community of people are forced into compliance. Particularly when the new rules completely change how its users interact with both the site and one another.
Additionally, this change only really punishes sellers, but fails to address scamming buyers that submit false chargebacks to recover funds. How is that fair? And what protections does that offer sellers who get ripped off by those scammers? If anything, make the change apply to both - so either party can be held accountable should anything go awry.
But again, that brings me back to my first point.
If you do that, absolutely nobody will use this site, and for a good reason which i’m about to mention.
You are twisting the arms of a LOT of people here. And not asking, but demanding a considerable amount of trust be placed in the hands of an otherwise dodgy 3rd party company. And I think that’s really unfair considering the amount of data breaches that occur these days. You will find that most people won’t cooperate with this, because people are becoming more vigilant in protecting their private information. And I am one of those people so I will not be using EpicNPC for as long as this stands.

All in all, respectfully, I do not support this and ask that you please reconsider your position on this issue.

There were some really good ideas for alternative measures mentioned in this thread already. And I really implore you to consider them, because i’m confident this decision is going to be a lot more impactful than you initially thought.

Being a seller is not easy as it is in real life. Many of them are also required to have a trade license from the government. I think epicnpc has seen several big sellers but in the end they ended up becoming big scammers ( I'm sure that's not the end of using Epicnpc, they will create new accounts again ),

The fear of giving out personal identity is also a self-defense attitude, if at some point you commit a major crime, something like this has happened. Maybe this is not relevant because the main point is to prevent low level scammers.

 

[Spies]

Being a seller is not easy as it is in real life. Many of them are also required to have a trade license from the government. I think epicnpc has seen several big sellers but in the end they ended up becoming big scammers ( I'm sure that's not the end of using Epicnpc, they will create new accounts again ),

The fear of giving out personal identity is also a self-defense attitude, if at some point you commit a major crime, something like this has happened. Maybe this is not relevant because the main point is to prevent low level scammers.

Are you implying that people who are protective of their personal information are either would-be or already established criminals? I’m a little confused. I can understand and reason with the fact that many scammers hold that same attitude (if that’s what you meant) but, I don’t think generalizing is a good idea in this circumstance.
Data breaches are happening way too frequently and being aware of where/how your information is being processed is important as it is wise.
I can respect your other points. However, as previous replies demonstrate, the general response from the outspoken few has not been positive.
Scamming will take place regardless, (as it has been noted by the admin, scammers have been finding ways around the new policy) and will continue to, despite any amount of stringent measures put in place to deter them.
This policy protects a few but wounds a bunch.

 

[Spies]

Handicapping an entire community for the actions of an unwise minority would be like not allowing anyone to swim in a pool because some jumped in the pool and drowned despite fully knowing they couldn’t swim. It makes no sense.

Sure, it’ll either force scammers to leave or invest more time/resources, it’ll be a major inconvenience. And that would be great.
But it also will alienate legit sellers that don’t want to have to potentially compromise their PII to use this site. Which is not so great.

 

[DummyBoi]

The thing about scammers is they don't have to post threads to scam people, they can just find someone else who verified their account post a thread for something they are interested in. They can just contact them from there and attempt to scam anyway. A few months ago I had a thread for buying accounts, a scammer messaged me and sold me an account he stole, not knowing it was stolen I ended up buying it. A few hours later I post it for sale and I get reported to a moderator. No threads required, scammer made it work without even posting a thread all they did was seek out mine. What about the people who will charge back a payment? What about the people who will recover accounts after the purchase? Sure this change will make it difficult for scammers to make accounts all day and keep making new threads but it also harms people who are legitimately looking for a place to sell what they have without giving away personal information. There are many other methods you could have tried before making such a drastic one that splits your user base. You could have just made a minimum feedback requirement, an account age requirement, or even make someone buy the Epic Upgrade annually to post a thread.

But you guys chose the worst option.