I gave him a 90$ refund and he refuses to return it Akwafina

[giuliana]

Information
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Purchase Date: 25/08
Date the problem began: 25/08
Method of Contact Used (chat program):epicnpc
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: [not the display name, must be real username]

• Akwafina

Your Instant Messenger ID: Giuliana

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DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/na-...pwjs-kazuha-ayaka-ganyu.2256961/#post-8423847
Approximate value of property: $90 USD
Was Trade Guardian used? no
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID?

What is the dispute about? I had a problem with my paypal, so I gave this person a refund of 90 usd so that he could help send them to another account, as I told him something without offending, the person flatly refuses to return the money and demands that he make a dispute here

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I tried to insist that he return the money without an unnecessary dispute, but this person demanded that it be so, so I hope that with this the person will return the money because he has the account that I sold him and the money.


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[Akwafina]

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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

This wasn't a "refund." He wanted me to transfer money for him because his Paypal is locked for whatever fraudulent activity he has going on. This individual can only refund from said account and the money is lost without me as the Paypal is essentially "dead." This wasn't a transaction, and I've done multiple with this individual without issue. To top it off, he's buying accounts from random Genshin discords that will inevitably be recalled and he'll just keep giving out replacement that'll happen the same way, which I'm sure has something to do with why his Paypal got locked.

 

[giuliana]

This wasn't a "refund." He wanted me to transfer money for him because his Paypal is locked for whatever fraudulent activity he has going on. This individual can only refund from said account and the money is lost without me as the Paypal is essentially "dead." This wasn't a transaction, and I've done multiple with this individual without issue. To top it off, he's buying accounts from random Genshin discords that will inevitably be recalled and he'll just keep giving out replacement that'll happen the same way, which I'm sure has something to do with why his Paypal got locked.

Friend, I reimburse many people that I can bring as witnesses here if necessary, you do not want to return the money when you said you would on the 29th and two days have passed and if you want me to send you screenshots of my paypal so you can see if i have any dispute or refund i can do it because my paypal was blocked without notice and that's all so i don't want to waste my time on this

 

[giuliana]

This wasn't a "refund." He wanted me to transfer money for him because his Paypal is locked for whatever fraudulent activity he has going on. This individual can only refund from said account and the money is lost without me as the Paypal is essentially "dead." This wasn't a transaction, and I've done multiple with this individual without issue. To top it off, he's buying accounts from random Genshin discords that will inevitably be recalled and he'll just keep giving out replacement that'll happen the same way, which I'm sure has something to do with why his Paypal got locked.

It was a refund because I had a balance in my paypal THAT YOU RECEIVED TO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT and I was left with no money

 

[giuliana]

You had to return it because you have my account and my money, don't waste my time anymore

Friend, I reimburse many people that I can bring as witnesses here if necessary, you do not want to return the money when you said you would on the 29th and two days have passed and if you want me to send you screenshots of my paypal so you can see if i have any dispute or refund i can do it because my paypal was blocked without notice and that's all so i don't want to waste my time on this

You had to return it because you have my account and my money, don't waste my time anymore

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

It was a refund because I had a balance in my paypal THAT YOU RECEIVED TO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT and I was left with no money

How do you figure it was refunded to my bank, also just like the actual refund for the returned account, that I sent to you. I didn't even get a full refund. So you're expecting me to pay 90 USD which would mean I would also have to spend my own money to send you money which doesn't make sense.

 

[giuliana]

I have made more than 10 refunds since the paypoal was blocked and everyone received the money it is ridiculous that you have not received it and I already told you to send the 90 usd that you received in your bank account without taxes, but you refuse to send it thing that is your obligation, BECAUSE YOU HAVE MY MONEY but you are here to make excuses, and that you say that money is lost without you is totally false I did not have any problem with anyone, only with you and you had more options apart from you but I did it here because I thought you were reliable

 

[Akwafina]

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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

You want a full 90 refund when you refunded a $75 payment to $65. Because I was keeping the money, now you all of a sudden want the full price. Not only that but you only sent me $65 and made me wait 2 weeks+ to get the other 5. All of this is irrelevant and pointless I'll just wait for a mod to look at it.
At the end of the day this was not a transaction, simply him asking me to transfer money from his locked account for once again fraudulent activity. He buys accounts off of discord to sell to people here. Just to keep replacing with accounts that he just lowballs for anyway. I messaged him because I lost an account about 3 weeks after getting it from him. He simply shouldn't be selling accounts, I don't buy accounts on here to TRIAL accounts. He's literally the only person that I've had issues with on accounts.

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

This guy keeps saying it was a refund for an account. It was simply a transfer for money he otherwise couldn't use. It was me doing him a favor. That is all I will type for now, I've done enough back and forth with this individual, I'll wait for a moderator to assess the situation.

 

[giuliana]

This guy keeps saying it was a refund for an account. It was simply a transfer for money he otherwise couldn't use. It was me doing him a favor. That is all I will type for now, I've done enough back and forth with this individual, I'll wait for a moderator to assess the situation.

Friend, you received the account that I sold you and you never returned it when I made the refund, it is a money transfer but where the account that I sold you? or the money? you got it and i will not waste my time anymore this guy brings up random stuff just because i sold him an account and got a replacement for him when HE AGREED TO ACCEPT THE ACCOUNT, and it has nothing to do with the $90 i refunded him to help me withdraw the money from the blocked paypal

 

[giuliana]

You want a full 90 refund when you refunded a $75 payment to $65. Because I was keeping the money, now you all of a sudden want the full price. Not only that but you only sent me $65 and made me wait 2 weeks+ to get the other 5. All of this is irrelevant and pointless I'll just wait for a mod to look at it.
At the end of the day this was not a transaction, simply him asking me to transfer money from his locked account for once again fraudulent activity. He buys accounts off of discord to sell to people here. Just to keep replacing with accounts that he just lowballs for anyway. I messaged him because I lost an account about 3 weeks after getting it from him. He simply shouldn't be selling accounts, I don't buy accounts on here to TRIAL accounts. He's literally the only person that I've had issues with on accounts.

You received a refund of $70 not $65 if you had to wait it was because of the paypal hold

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

Friend, you received the account that I sold you and you never returned it when I made the refund, it is a money transfer but where the account that I sold you? or the money? you got it and i will not waste my time anymore this guy brings up random stuff just because i sold him an account and got a replacement for him when HE AGREED TO ACCEPT THE ACCOUNT, and it has nothing to do with the $90 i refunded him to help me withdraw the money from the blocked paypal

Nothing was ever said about an account anywhere in the discussion it was simply to transfer money from one paypal to another.

 

[giuliana]

Nothing was ever said about an account anywhere in the discussion it was simply to transfer money from one paypal to another.

You received the money and never sent it and you took my money, when you clearly said that you would send it on the 29th because you have no right to keep it

 

[EpicNPC CM]

Nothing was ever said about an account anywhere in the discussion it was simply to transfer money from one paypal to another.

Why was an account traded if it was never discussed and not a part of the deal?

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

Why was an account traded if it was never discussed and not a part of the deal?

An account wasn't traded, this was months later. His paypal recently got locked and he's been asking people about transferring money because of said paypal being locked. There was no account or anything up for sale. He's talking about the original transaction. This discussion was not about refunding an account.

 

[giuliana]

¿Por qué se negoció una cuenta si nunca se discutió y no fue parte del trato?

yo le vendi esa cuenta la cual pusiste en disputa en esa fecha que dejo el comentario positivo lo que pasa es que me bloquearon mi paypal como vivo en venezuela aqui no es posible retirar el dinero ya que uso el dinero para comprar etc, decidi reembolsarlo para que me lo devolviera ya que esa transaccion que hice con el se termino y solo necesitaba su ayuda, pero una vez que hice el reembolso solo se nego a enviarlo, y lo hace no tienen que quedarse con el dinero, así que me gustaría hacerles entender aquí, que no tienen derecho a quedarse con el dinero

 

[giuliana]

that's the problem, I asked him for help like any other person, so as I told him a comment that he took badly and was offended, he forced me to make a dispute here, so that an administrator or moderator says if he should return the 90$ usd or No, he already had the account that was sold to him on that date and he would not have to keep the 90 usd from now and the account on that date, but an account was not traded the day I made the dispute.

 

[giuliana]

What I also want to clarify is that he says that he loses the money without help and I had more options to whom to refund the money, but I decided to do it with him because he seemed trustworthy, so since he received the refund when I expected his help from that he return it to me on the 29th he has simply refused to transfer the money, when I repeat it again I do not see it feasible for him to keep the 90 usd that he reimbursed from my paypal balance because they do not belong to him

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

I'm not sure what's happening here but want to also say he keeps trying to suck every dollar out of this cause he's greedy. The first time we did a refund for an actual account and not a money transfer. The refund I got back was $65 but I sent $75. And I never got the full refund. Now he wants me to pay F&F taxes to send him a full $90 dollars which doesn't make sense. Also I'm not sure what his reply was in Spanish but once again. This was not a refund for an account. This was him trying to transfer money from a locked PayPal account that he can no longer access.

 

[giuliana]

I'm not sure what's happening here but want to also say he keeps trying to suck every dollar out of this cause he's greedy. The first time we did a refund for an actual account and not a money transfer. The refund I got back was $65 but I sent $75. And I never got the full refund. Now he wants me to pay F&F taxes to send him a full $90 dollars which doesn't make sense. Also I'm not sure what his reply was in Spanish but once again. This was not a refund for an account. This was him trying to transfer money from a locked PayPal account that he can no longer access.

Friend, I sent you 70 usd in total because I received 70, I receive the paypal fees, the platform keeps it, it keeps saying that I send 65 when I send 70 usd in total, and you keep insisting on keeping the 90 usd that I give you I sent and that you promised to return them on the 29th, and I am still waiting for you to return my money, but you keep giving any excuse not to give me the money

 

[giuliana]

I'm not getting anything from you, he literally has 90 usd that are mine and that you are refusing to return

 

[giuliana]

And I already said before I don't want him to send the 90 with taxes, I just want him to return the money he received from the refund I issued on the 25th. If I don't receive the 90 I don't care, I just want the money that belongs to me, that's all, but you keep giving any unnecessary excuse or reason not to return the money, which is the reason for this dispute, I want the money you refund on the 25th.

 

[giuliana]

I'm not sure what's happening here but want to also say he keeps trying to suck every dollar out of this cause he's greedy. The first time we did a refund for an actual account and not a money transfer. The refund I got back was $65 but I sent $75. And I never got the full refund. Now he wants me to pay F&F taxes to send him a full $90 dollars which doesn't make sense. Also I'm not sure what his reply was in Spanish but once again. This was not a refund for an account. This was him trying to transfer money from a locked PayPal account that he can no longer access.

and to make things clear

1: that my paypal has been banned has nothing to do with you,

You were only asked for help so that you could receive money from an old transaction that I made with you and that you send it to another account

2: I am not being greedy you an account worth 70 usd I received 70, if you pay paypal fees it has nothing to do with me because I did not receive the money and you received 70, and that refund of the account was made due to my paypal problem you agreed to help

3: days later I asked you for the same favor again of refunding a payment of 90 that you made to my paypal and agreed to return them on the 29th because clearly you have no reason or right to keep the money, but you keep giving excuses to evade this dispute and keep money


4: I don't care if you don't get the 90 usd, I just want you to send the amount you received, because it's my money, the end

 

[giuliana]

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

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[giuliana]

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There it clearly says that it was from the first account that I sold you and that you received, I returned the money simply to transfer it to another account because my paypal was blocked, so you must return the money that I reimbursed from that transaction

 

[giuliana]

There it clearly says that it was from the first account that I sold you and that you received, I returned the money simply to transfer it to another account because my paypal was blocked, so you must return the money that I reimbursed from that transaction

About the payment of 5 usd I sent them the same day but paypal put them on hold, but he always had it in his account, I said I would release it two days, but I had to call paypal because he had forgotten and the person ended up receiving the refund that we agreed was 70 usd

 

[giuliana]

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Again, this transaction of 90 usd, has nothing to do with any pending debt that I have with this person, after I finished all my transactions with him, my paypal was banned and I was contacting many clients, to refund the payments and they They will send it to another paypal account, this user is one of them, I clarify that with all those I asked for help, none of them were denied and all the refunds were received successfully, but this is not the case here, He agreed to help me, he received the refund of 90 usd then he has refused all these days to return the money

making excuses that have nothing to do with this transaction

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

We didn't agree on 70 it was 75. I clearly said I would only do it for 75 because I had a sale for 85 lined up. But because I know you're greedy I didn't push the issue

About the payment of 5 usd I sent them the same day but paypal put them on hold, but he always had it in his account, I said I would release it two days, but I had to call paypal because he had forgotten and the person ended up receiving the refund that we agreed was 70 usd

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

 

[giuliana]

We didn't agree on 70 it was 75. I clearly said I would only do it for 75 because I had a sale for 85 lined up. But because I know you're greedy I didn't push the issue

 

[giuliana]

screenshot where he agreed to receive the 70 because it was the amount he received the additional 5 usd you never receive, they are paypal fees

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

screenshot where he agreed to receive the 70 because it was the amount he received the additional 5 usd you never receive, they are paypal fees

I said I didnt want to make a big deal about it because you were clearly fighting to keep every dime, and unlike you I'm not actually complicated you are.

 

[giuliana]

I said I didnt want to make a big deal about it because you were clearly fighting to keep every dime, and unlike you I'm not actually complicated you are.

You gave me the reason in this case, then that transaction was successfully completed, I have no debts with you, again you still have the 90 usd that you have not sent.

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

Also he claims that this is the guy that took my first account back: https://www.epicnpc.com/members/tarokyun.1555202/ And he hasn't filed a dispute on him just wanna throw that out there

 

[giuliana]

Also he claims that this is the guy that took my first account back: https://www.epicnpc.com/members/tarokyun.1555202/ And he hasn't filed a dispute on him just wanna throw that out there

Bro, what does that have to do with my 90 usd? I literally gave you a replacement account that you yourself chose from my profile,

you continue to evade the reason for the dispute

 

[giuliana]

Bro, what does that have to do with my 90 usd? I literally gave you a replacement account that you yourself chose from my profile,

you continue to evade the reason for the dispute

and correct what you are saying, he is not the original owner of that account

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

and correct what you are saying, he is not the original owner of that account

I never said he was? All I'm saying is theres alot of weird behavior going on with you on top of the blocked paypal account

 

[giuliana]

I never said he was? All I'm saying is theres alot of weird behavior going on with you on top of the blocked paypal account

What strange behaviors? my paypal account was blocked, I asked you for help with a refund, you received it, and you still refused to send the money, and you bring up another issue that by the way I solved it with you and you have nothing to do with it, but do you insist? so that the strange behavior here you have it

 

[giuliana]

What strange behaviors? my paypal account was blocked, I asked you for help with a refund, you received it, and you still refused to send the money, and you bring up another issue that by the way I solved it with you and you have nothing to do with it, but do you insist? so that the strange behavior here you have it

I never said he was? All I'm saying is theres alot of weird behavior going on with you on top of the blocked paypal account

You're here for a $90 dispute, not for anything else.

 

[giuliana]

@ecpicnpc

Why was an account traded if it was never discussed and not a part of the deal?

Could you check the dispute again and give an answer about the problem? since this user refuses to give me the money if there is no response from a mod, here

 

[EpicNPC CM]

@Akwafina to clarify, you're not sending the $90 that was "refunded" (on paypal), because of the $10 from the previous refund ($75 > only $65 received), or because you think they're suspicious? In other words, why are you keeping the money?

 

[Akwafina]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

Theres multiple reasons. Calling me complicated, when I've only tried to help him, I even agreed to help him even though he still owed me money. I've lost an account because he likes to buy off of shady discord servers and resell on here just for them to be recalled. I'm not buying accounts for a trial period and that seems to be his mentality. Obviously with that being my assumption I think that he's a suspicious individual on top of the fact that his paypal got locked in the first place. I want to reiterate this wasn't a transaction or anything.

@Akwafina to clarify, you're not sending the $90 that was "refunded" (on paypal), because of the $10 from the previous refund ($75 > only $65 received), or because you think they're suspicious? In other words, why are you keeping the money?

 

[giuliana]

Theres multiple reasons. Calling me complicated, when I've only tried to help him, I even agreed to help him even though he still owed me money. I've lost an account because he likes to buy off of shady discord servers and resell on here just for them to be recalled. I'm not buying accounts for a trial period and that seems to be his mentality. Obviously with that being my assumption I think that he's a suspicious individual on top of the fact that his paypal got locked in the first place. I want to reiterate this wasn't a transaction or anything.

friend, I am a buyer like everyone else, if your account was a problem before you were offered a replacement that you took from my profile in short your problem is solved but you keep lying excuses for not returning the $90 money The administrator is already telling you that you have to return the money but even so, you refuse so you are trying here man,

 

[giuliana]

Theres multiple reasons. Calling me complicated, when I've only tried to help him, I even agreed to help him even though he still owed me money. I've lost an account because he likes to buy off of shady discord servers and resell on here just for them to be recalled. I'm not buying accounts for a trial period and that seems to be his mentality. Obviously with that being my assumption I think that he's a suspicious individual on top of the fact that his paypal got locked in the first place. I want to reiterate this wasn't a transaction or anything.

The reason for this dispute is that you received 90$ for helping me withdraw the money from the blocked account, what I do with my paypal or what I do buying accounts again HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU

 

[giuliana]

I am not the first nor the last person to block a paypal, and it was not for doing "shady" things like you are mentioning here, just the simple fact that selling accounts through paypal is not prohibited and they are stupid with their policies, here you are only drawing stupid conclusions and I don't want to waste my time with you anymore I did my best as a person helping you solve your problem if you want to take the money, then get banned from here, that's all

 

[Akwafina]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/i-gave-him-a-90-refund-and-he-refuses-to-return-it-akwafina.2312951/page-9

friend, I am a buyer like everyone else, if your account was a problem before you were offered a replacement that you took from my profile in short your problem is solved but you keep lying excuses for not returning the $90 money The administrator is already telling you that you have to return the money but even so, you refuse so you are trying here man,

No where have I been instructed to give you anything..... These aren't lies or excuses. And once again this wasn't a transaction of any sort so I don't feel like I'm obligated to give you anything.

 

[giuliana]

Theres multiple reasons. Calling me complicated, when I've only tried to help him, I even agreed to help him even though he still owed me money. I've lost an account because he likes to buy off of shady discord servers and resell on here just for them to be recalled. I'm not buying accounts for a trial period and that seems to be his mentality. Obviously with that being my assumption I think that he's a suspicious individual on top of the fact that his paypal got locked in the first place. I want to reiterate this wasn't a transaction or anything.

No where have I been instructed to give you anything..... These aren't lies or excuses. And once again this wasn't a transaction of any sort so I don't feel like I'm obligated to give you anything.

Friend received money that clearly does not belong to you, and just because it has nothing to do with a transaction and literally has to do with the fact that I gave him my trust so that he received money from me, are you going to say that you are not obliged to give me anything? , you're out of your mind so if you think it's okay to withhold someone else's money

 

[giuliana]

@Akwafina to clarify, you're not sending the $90 that was "refunded" (on paypal), because of the $10 from the previous refund ($75 > only $65 received), or because you think they're suspicious? In other words, why are you keeping the money?

No where have I been instructed to give you anything..... These aren't lies or excuses. And once again this wasn't a transaction of any sort so I don't feel like I'm obligated to give you anything.

and to remind you that when the refund was sent, he said he would do it on the 29th, a week has passed since that, so yes, it is your obligation because you did not comply with that

 

[giuliana]

@Akwafina to clarify, you're not sending the $90 that was "refunded" (on paypal), because of the $10 from the previous refund ($75 > only $65 received), or because you think they're suspicious? In other words, why are you keeping the money?

again, I await your response so that you tell the user to return the money, if no, then ban him, I don't want to waste my time on this, he keeps saying that he has no obligation to return money that I sent him and agreed to deliver it lmao