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zLaggerMan

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Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
Information
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Purchase Date: 24th August 2021
Date the problem began: 24th November 2021
Method of Contact Used (chat program): Discord
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: LoveLife#6944
Your Instant Messenger ID: LaggerGG#2306

Other information:


DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/poo...natos-account-w-season-8-gm-conquest.2026773/
Approximate value of property: $280.00 USD
Was Trade Guardian used? Yes
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID? Transaction #45244


What is the dispute about?
Transaction was smooth, nothing to say, unless the account details changed on the 24th of November without prior notice. I contacted the seller that answered. He confirmed me tho, that he can't recover the account because he isn't the OG owner, BUT on the EpicNPC thread he said it was instead. With him we tried to open a ticket but they are asking me many infos about the account that I don't know, like: Secret answer, OG email that registered the account, date of the creation, if any purchase and so on. Now I'm here to see if I can get a refund or if we can sort it out in some manner.

Other details / notes: I would never have bought the account knowing that he was not the orignal owner, but he stated he was in the thread. I waited 12 hours from his last message in order to open the thread.


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Im hiding the following PP infos, on seller request.
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Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread. Ticket

Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof)
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? We used TG and MM so he provided ID and PSW, but not the og mail neither the secret answer.
How long did you have the account before it was recalled? 3 months
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
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If you are not involved, please do not post in the thread.

Here you can find information about our Dispute rules and how we investigate disputes.
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/90442-Dispute-FORUM-RULES
 
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UPDATE: Support asked me the following:
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I think I can answer to 3 or 4 questions, but I think I can't to the most important ones.

I will try anyway, and update you.
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
Update from the customer service...

I'm just wasting time at this point, I assume... They even asked for the creation date of the account.

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How are we dealing with this?
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
Any update? I can't recover the account by myself, any info provided seems not enough for the customer service
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
UPDATE: Bumped the ticket to the customer service, waiting their reply.
 
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Sorry for the delay, We have been talking through discord regarding the situation. As a disclaimer i have not recalled the account or changed any information. @zLaggerMan can tell you, i have been trying to help him resolve it.
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
I can confirm that we are trying to solve this issue, but seems that cs is winning the battle at the moment... The fact that you sold an account as OG owner and you are not, moreover you can't provide all the needed infos is a bit against ToS. I'd like to know what @Angel thinks about the Seller that can't recover the account when clearly stated he was the og owner...

I read this on the TG Transaction:

"Accounts (email, FB, etc) can sometime become locked if unusual activity is detected. This can occur when our MM or buyer accesses the account.

Once locked, only previously used recovery information (phone, email) can be used to unlock the account. It is the responsibility of the seller to unlock the account because only the seller will have the ability. If the seller is unable to, the transaction will be cancelled."


I would have not bought this account if I knew the truth...

Anyway, we are playing our last card I think, I will update you all when the CS will be back, hopefully within tomorrow...
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
Cs replied, as you can see they require some specifical infos, that nor me nor LoveLife can provide. At this point I don't know, how should we solve this crap? Is it possible to receive a refund?
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In the sale thread has been stated that @LoveLifee is the original owner. If he is not then we will consider this as false advertising and he will automatically lose this dispute. A full refund must be issued
 
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Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
In the sale thread has been stated that @LoveLifee is the original owner. If he is not then we will consider this as false advertising and he will automatically lose this dispute. A full refund must be issued
In the thread linked at the beginning of the dispute you can check that it says: Original Owner: Yes. Then on the enclosed discord chat he says that he's not. I'm enclosing it again in case you missed it.

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By the way, we can work it like this: I’m open to re-buy the account if he manages to get it back, until then I would like a refund for the spent money. @Angel @LoveLifee

Update: Cs confirmed me again that the account have been recovered.

Edit: Would be very appreciated if seller can issue a refund, so he would work with a goal to have his money back. He stopped answering.
 
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As i mentioned in the discord chat, i am currently not in a position to provide a refund. However i have told @zLaggerMan that i am currently in the process of trying to recover the account for him and have kindly asked him to wait for a short while.
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
Still no news… he said me 48 hrs on the 1st of December, at this point I don’t want to doubt of his good faith, but I prefer a refund, things are too shady
 
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Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
The seller seems “legit”, BUT he sold an account using false informations about ownership, that should be enough to close the dispute in my favor, he said though that he can’t refund the money because he got “scammed” too, the account seems to be recovered by the og owner. Sincerely I don’t care, I just want the account or the money if he can’t recover the account for me, he made a mistake trusting someone who ****ed him. However I don’t think he can’t refund, surely will be a loss of money, but this will help him keeping in mind to not lie for selling something. Personally I think that he’s kind and he wants to help, but he said that he bought the account from a seller that sold it for the og owner so this should be a 4 men dispute, unfortunately I have no clue about these other guys so the one gettin reported will be just the last seller.

@LoveLifee any news so far? I hope so, if not I will file the claim as I informed you on Discord, it’s the last chance I have.

@Cthulhu_Ph I have those infos, but the support doesn’t give a single **** if I don’t provide some sensible infos. Transactions are not enough…
 
The seller seems “legit”, BUT he sold an account using false informations about ownership, that should be enough to close the dispute in my favor, he said though that he can’t refund the money because he got “scammed” too, the account seems to be recovered by the og owner. Sincerely I don’t care, I just want the account or the money if he can’t recover the account for me, he made a mistake trusting someone who ****ed him. However I don’t think he can’t refund, surely will be a loss of money, but this will help him keeping in mind to not lie for selling something. Personally I think that he’s kind and he wants to help, but he said that he bought the account from a seller that sold it for the og owner so this should be a 4 men dispute, unfortunately I have no clue about these other guys so the one gettin reported will be just the last seller.

@LoveLifee any news so far? I hope so, if not I will file the claim as I informed you on Discord, it’s the last chance I have.

@Cthulhu_Ph I have those infos, but the support doesn’t give a single **** if I don’t provide some sensible infos. Transactions are not enough…
Bruh that sounds pretty stupid, he/she can't refund because they also got scammed? That's way too good to be a coincidence. I'm pretty sure he/she were just stalling you until you give up. That's why it's better to get a full refund, because he also posted a misleading advertisement, saying he is the original owner, which made you do the transaction. It's the seller's fault, not yours. You're being scammed or should I say that you have been scammed.
 
@Cthulhu_Ph Ive been clearly trying to help him recover the account back. I am in no means trying to scam him. And before you talk about false advertisement, you should realise that @zLaggerMan is selling the same account i sold him for double the price and claiming to be the original owner, lol. Personally i dont care that hes doing it, because its his business and not mine. But clearly everyone claims to be the original owner just so they can sell the account off easier and not because they are scamming.

@Angel @zLaggerMan
No updates yet, the guy is not responding as it seems. Although, i am not able to provide a refund as mentioned previously. However, @zLaggerMan would you be interested in an account with similar skins? That is the best way i can compensate for your loss.
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
@Cthulhu_Ph Ive been clearly trying to help him recover the account back. I am in no means trying to scam him. And before you talk about false advertisement, you should realise that @zLaggerMan is selling the same account i sold him for double the price and claiming to be the original owner, lol. Personally i dont care that hes doing it, because its his business and not mine. But clearly everyone claims to be the original owner just so they can sell the account off easier and not because they are scamming.

@Angel @zLaggerMan
No updates yet, the guy is not responding as it seems. Although, i am not able to provide a refund as mentioned previously. However, @zLaggerMan would you be interested in an account with similar skins? That is the best way i can compensate for your loss.
Wait wait, what am I doing? At the moment I have 4 accounts to sale if I ever want to, the one on sale is not the same you sold over me. You sold it with 300 skins more or less, the account I’m selling has 349 and moreover I told you I didn’t spend a single euro on the account you sold me (I was sussy since the beginning, but you accepted the MM transaction so). If you created a brand new profile to write me yesterday evening to prove me wrong you are completely out of aim. Yes because one user registered yesterday contacted me in order to buy the account I had on sale but I answered that first thing first I need to settle this dispute, then I will start my business again.

Now the thing is on you and not on me. And you are going OT.
Yes I’m interested in another account, sure, but I won’t take anything more from you but money, I burnt myself once, I’m not that stupid to do it again…

Going ahead with the refund problem: you can ask to your parents to lend you some money because you (at this point) scammed someone online, and then you can refund them slowly, or you can sell that said account and issue a refund for 280.00usd, I will pay the pp% no worries.

@Angel if you agree you can somehow “sponsor” his selling posts in order to not weigh on EpicNPC fund, but he can surely refund me, just let’s find out how.

Moreover tomorrow I will give green light to the claim to the nearest police station, since I have all your personal infos, and this is not threatening, it’s like being transparent and updating you on how things will go.

I’m here believing in you once more and not asking for an instant permaban, I’m pretty sure you can be helped from your friends/family or whoever loves you.

I think that you can sell another account in order to refund mine, that’s all, or maybe ask a refund to the guy who sold it to you.
 
@zLaggerMan I told you i am not able to refund. But if you are not interested in another account, then i dont know what else to do. You know for a fact i did not scam you, i would never do it to anyone. I have tried my best to help you , and also tried to contact the previous seller. But to no avail. If you want to go that far and report it to the police, when it is not even my fault in terms of the scam, then it is really sad and shows how inhumane you are. I really tried to help you.

@Angel I am happy to take the ban if he is not interested in another account to compensate, as it was partly my fault for his account loss. (Bearing in mind it wasnt me who scammed him)
 
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Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
@zLaggerMan I told you i am not able to refund. But if you are not interested in another account, then i dont know what else to do. You know for a fact i did not scam you, i would never do it to anyone. I have tried my best to help you , and also tried to contact the previous seller. But to no avail. If you want to go that far and report it to the police, when it is not even my fault in terms of the scam, then it is really sad and shows how inhumane you are. I really tried to help you.

@Angel I am happy to take the ban if he is not interested in another account to compensate, as it was partly my fault for his account loss. (Bearing in mind it wasnt me who scammed him)
Well wow, so, let me figure it out.

1) You are selling something false claiming the ownership (as far as I know it may be stolen);
2) Account got recalled; (Ok let's suppose isn't your fault, but hey you are the real owner heading to your post, so you recalled it);
3) You can't recover it for me (totally against EpicNPC ToS and against things that you claimed before instead);
4) Not able to refund and I can assure that everyone can refund for that amount of money (so basically you took my money and you didn't give a single **** about possible consequencies regarding account safety and customer satisfaction)ù

So am I inhumane? Like bro, you took 280,00$ and you are not giving me what I paid for, but sorry I'm inhumane. I'm still here trying to find alternative roads and you answer me I'm inhumane, that's a bit awkward tbh.

At this point, I want my money back and sorry but I don't care which method will you use to receive them, as I said you on Discord, you can try to sell 1/2/3 accounts obviously below their real value to speed things up.

PS. As I said, a similar dispute was opened against me months ago, compared to your case though, I had proofs from the real owner saying me that he was going to take full responsibility over any recall/recover/reset for the sold account. Even with that I've been judged guilty and I PAID out of my own pocket in order to prove I was not a scammer and I was in good faith, but overall because I'm a man of his word.

You have 2 chances then, issuing a refund or selling stuff in order to issue a refund.

I will let EpicNPC mods/admins to judge over you, as I said many times I've no personal hate against you, you demonstrated yourself friendly and opened to resolve this case and you are still answering.

Waiting updates.

@Angel @LoveLifee

BTW I see that you sold accounts for over 1K here, is it possible for you not having 280usd?
 
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Any advice from moderators? Or should we just wait?
 
@zLaggerMan do you accept a similar account as compensation? If not i will be forced to issue a ban to the seller
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
Customer service didn't answer yet again, tbh I feel like that account is compromised in some manner.

1- I will wait for HR support;
2- If positive answer I'd gladly ask to Love to take this account back;
3- If negative answer I'll wait for him selling some stuff in order to issue a refund.
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
Update from CS, ownership can’t be confirmed yet. So if mods can let you sell some stuff in order to refund me I will accept it.
 
Update please
 
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Still nothing from customer service, does he have the money now for refund or did he sell something?
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
I don't want to close the dispute untill we find a solution.
 
Dispute will remain open until a you resolve everything
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
The solution was to wait for me to sell some stuff to get the money, wasn't it?
Ye that’s the solution, but you can still sell even with that flag… Tbh 2 weeks are enough to save up some money and issue a partial refund, if you want to.
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
@zLaggerMan anything from Hirez? its been awhile now since we heard from them, after you gave them the previous passwords.
As from now, zero updates. It’s Sunday so maybe they are not working…
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
Still 0 updates, and tbh I'm getting bored about this. Can you issue a refund? 15 days elapsed, if you wanted to refund you would have done something, instead you only asked to remove the flag on your account.

@Angel Am I eligible for EpicNPC refund fund?
 
@LoveLifee how long do you need to issue a refund? Is there a chance to pay something now?
 
Banned - Scam attempt - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/recalled-account-after-3-months.2111703
@Angel is it possible to have 150USD + 100USD from the fund (obviously Love has to refund it later) ? It's not the total spent but it's nearly all.
 
@LoveLifee you can give now 150$ and we can give you a deadline for the rest. How long you will need to issue a full refund?
 
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