Eu-Accounts.com - thoridasl - cristian.puf21 - Account Recovery - No Refund

BERAccounts.com · May 8, 2021

If Alex accepted your terms, he should have split the amount without any question. But that doesn't change the fact that you are responsible for everything you market in this platform. Also you are missing something very important. This is an account recovery and it is caused because of it's original owner.

What did you shared with Alex on your delivery? I asked more than 4 times already but you are keep dodging that question. If you can proof that Alex had everything that would be enough for an account recovery, I can gladly accept Admin's split decision.

Epic 1NPC · May 8, 2021

Alex = Tech6686
OO = improvise12
https://www.epicnpc.com/members/improvise12.192092/

OO > Thoridasl > Tech6686 > Bera (MM ?) > Bera's buyer (5 people)

1) What information did Tech6686 receive from Thoridasl at the time of purchase? It seems he received 1 ID image, is that correct?
2) I don't know if Bera was a MM or not. Please provide the chat logs between Tech6686, bera and the buyer so I can see how the transaction was conducted. At this time Bera is a re-seller, not a MM and it will remain this way unless I can see evidence of the transaction.
3) I also sounds like the buyer received 1 ID image from Tech6686. Is that correct?

Tech6686 agree not to resell and broke that warranty. That means he is included in any split regardless if he received the ID or not.

BERAccounts.com · May 8, 2021

EpicNPC said:
3) I also sounds like the buyer received 1 ID image from Tech6686. Is that correct?

Correct, buyer only received one blurred ID screenshot from Alex.

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It was a middlemanship sale from my end.

thoridasl · May 9, 2021

Cool thing that you admit you were Middleman after all.

First you stated you were a vendor. And of course, being a vendor it's alrite.

But, being a Middleman OUTSIDE of Epicnpc.com with Epicnpc.com users is not allowed by forum rules.

That's why it was in your favor to act as a Vendor not a Middleman.

https://www.epicnpc.com/infocenter/forumrules.html
- Only Epicnpc approved middleman can offer MM services or mention they are a MM in their threads.
- Approved middleman (and everyone else) are not allowed to create a dedicated MM thread. Trade Guardian must be used.

Concluding, you did break my Business' Policy by making this dispute and also broke Epicnpc.com rules using Middleman services outside the forum without being an approved MM. You kept lying that you didn't MM until the last posts when Admin requested proof.

BERAccounts.com · May 9, 2021

thoridasl said:
But, being a Middleman OUTSIDE of Epicnpc.com with Epicnpc.com users is not allowed by forum rules.

What are you even talking about? I have been assigned as a Ownedcore Middleman for more than a year till it is over. I can provide any type of middlemanship service outside of EpicNPC. Even if I wouldn't be a verified middleman back in the day, I could still provide my middlemanship service as long as I don't advertise it on EpicNPC. This is not even a subject that needs to be pointed out in this dispute since it is not related. You look like a fish that is drowning in a glass of water. That level of non-sense.

BERAccounts.com said:
What did you shared with Alex on your delivery? I asked more than 4 times already but you are keep dodging that question.

I am going to ask to you one more time. What did you shared with Alex on delivery? If you didn't shared these ID screenshots with him, that means you are busted.

thoridasl · May 9, 2021

What does Ownedcore have to do with EpicNPC?

You broke THIS forum's rules doing middleman outside of it without being approved.

Admin's oppinion?

Adoxia · May 9, 2021

Stop arguing about things that do not pertain to this dispute. Locking this until the admin can respond.

Epic 1NPC · May 10, 2021

Cool thing that you admit you were Middleman after all.
First you stated you were a vendor. And of course, being a vendor it's alrite.
But, being a Middleman OUTSIDE of Epicnpc.com with Epicnpc.com users is not allowed by forum rules.
That's why it was in your favor to act as a Vendor not a Middleman.

This is incorrect.

1) Members are not allowed to post MM services or link to their sites that offer MM services. They are also not allowed to offer MM services anywhere on Epicnpc.
2) Users are allowed to offer and conduct MM transaction off-site.

As long as Bera does not link to his MM posts on OC, there's no violation.

Breaking this policy would have no affect on a dispute anyway, that is a separate issue.

OO > Thoridasl > Tech6686 > Bera's buyer (Bera MM)

A support ticket was opened, ID with face and dated newspaper was required. No one could provide that. Account can't be recovered.

improvise12 is the OO
https://www.epicnpc.com/members/improvise12.192092/

Tech6686 agreed not to resell, but he sold.

1) Thoridasl when did you buy this account? What is the OO's payment information? The info I have is from 2012, so I need updated contact info.
2) If this was an OC MM transaction, why is the dispute being reported here? Wouldn't it be better to included the buyer and have OC investigate?
3) Who is the buyer and why haven't they posted here yet? Please tell them to register here and post. I need to know what they did with the account after they received it.

thoridasl · May 10, 2021

Bought it in april 2019 from OO. The mail is the same for contact and for PayPal as the one used here on forums.

BERAccounts.com · May 10, 2021

It is obvious that Thoridasl didn't shared required account recovery details with Alex. So in this case, nobody except Original Owner and Thoridasl can recover that account back.

EpicNPC said:
2) If this was an OC MM transaction, why is the dispute being reported here? Wouldn't it be better to included the buyer and have OC investigate?

He is just trying to change the subject despereately. OC has nothing to do with that situation.

EpicNPC said:
3) Who is the buyer and why haven't they posted here yet? Please tell them to register here and post. I need to know what they did with the account after they received it.

He was playing with account untill it has been recovered by Original Owner or Thoridasl.

BERAccounts.com · May 12, 2021

Also I’ve realized something very tricky. Thoridasl have 4 different ID screenshots which is completely untouched and very high quality. But Alex received only one ID screenshot that is downgraded, censored and blurred.

So that means, Thoridasl censored that ID screenshot by himself before share it with Alex. If that’s the case, it’s proven that nobody else except original owner and Thoridasl could perform a recovery.

Thoridasl: 4 High Quality & Uncensored ID Screenshots (ID + ID Selfie + ID on a Local Paper + ID on a Desk)

Alex: 1 Blurred ID Screenshot (ID on a Desk)

My Buyer: 1 Blurred ID Screenshot (ID on a Desk)

BERAccounts.com · May 14, 2021

Alex confirmed that he received only a blurred ID screenshot from Thoridasl. So that means, only Thoridasl and Original Owner could perform a successful account recovery.

Alex is currently in hospital. He will provide required proofs when he is available.

Epic 1NPC · May 20, 2021

OO > Thoridasl > Tech6686 > Bera's buyer (Bera MM)

It does not matter what ID Tech6686 received. He agree to Thoridasl's "no resell" policy, so he'll be included in any split if that's decided.

I've email notified Improvise12 and asked him to reply.

If he does not reply in 72 hrs, he'll be banned and we'll do a split with the remaining people.

BERAccounts.com · May 20, 2021

I just want to prove that Thoridasl is not a trustable person. Whole time, he was trying to blame innocent people for avoid refund. He tried to lure non-existing people to dispute for lower his refund weight and he even blamed his own customer with performing an account recovery without even sharing required documents to do that.

Also I hope my customer won't be needed to share that refund loss since he didn't do anything wrong in this situation. My screenshot proves that account has been recovered while it was under his possession, he didn't sold or traded that product.

thoridasl · May 20, 2021

You are talking trash, as usual.

Btw, admin required your buyer to make an account here and tell us what he did with the account.

Inform him, please.

BERAccounts.com · May 20, 2021

Admin also required you to show what you provided to Alex on delivery. I've also asked same question to you more than 4 times already. Keep playing the blind monkey.

You literally blamed everybody except people who could actually perform a successful recovery which is none other than original owner and you. So either accept the fact that original owner restored account back or admit that you performed that recovery. Simple as that.

thoridasl · May 21, 2021

Warranty between me and my client been voided by my client by breaking the rules of our deal. I am not responsible of other people businesses or deals. You literally didn't care of my business or deal with Alex and came to blame me after 2 years. Else, you would've contacted earlier.

Invite your client to the thread.

BERAccounts.com · May 21, 2021

BERAccounts.com said:
Main point is, nobody except Thoridasl had these recovery screenshots. There are two possibility. Either Thoridasl didn't shared required ID screenshots with Alex or Alex didn't shared them with my buyer. Because Thoridasl sent me 4 different ID screenshot but buyer says he received only 1 screenshot from Alex. Can Thoridasl show his Skype conversation with Alex about which information he provided to him? Because with 1 semi-blurred ID, he cannot perform a recovery for sure.

Your Response: Account was good for 2 years.

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BERAccounts.com said:
Maybe you heard that account has been sold and then you decided to restore it by yourself with using your warranty as excuse. Can you show what information you shared with Alex when you sold this account? Did he received all four screenshots that you sent me recently or did he received only 1 screenshot that he shared with my buyer?

Clearly my buyer had no documents that would be enough for a recovery so he should be out of the chain. If you didn't provided all of these recovery documents to Alex, he should be out of that chain too. Proof what you shared with Alex.

Your Response: You're talking trash as you always do.

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BERAccounts.com said:
What did you shared with Alex on your delivery? I asked more than 4 times already but you are keep dodging that question. If you can proof that Alex had everything that would be enough for an account recovery, I can gladly accept Admin's split decision.

EpicNPC said:
1) What information did Tech6686 receive from Thoridasl at the time of purchase? It seems he received 1 ID image, is that correct? I also sounds like the buyer received 1 ID image from Tech6686. Is that correct?

Your Response: Cool thing that you admit you were Middleman after all. But, being a Middleman OUTSIDE of Epicnpc.com with Epicnpc.com users is not allowed by forum rules.

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BERAccounts.com said:
I am going to ask to you one more time. What did you shared with Alex on delivery? If you didn't shared these ID screenshots with him, that means you are busted.

Your Response: You broke THIS forum's rules doing middleman outside of it without being approved. Admin's oppinion?

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You are a 40 years old man who has a brain capacity of 7 years old boy that can barely use slides in playground. I will receive that money for my customer's behalf in the end of the dispute. I don't care if Alex will be into that split or not. This question has nothing to do with your warranty or any other dumb subject that you are trying to bring to the table.

If you didn't shared account recovery details with Alex, he cannot share something that he doesn't have with other people. So there are two possibilities in this scenario. Either original owner performed a recovery and you are defending him because you don't want to refund. Or you performed this account recovery with intention of reselling it for money because you are broke middle aged man. 'I have a warranty. I can restore it back and avoid refund anyways.' Which evidence actually proves that you didn't take advantage of your warranty?

If you had anything to show as evidence for clean yourself from these accusations, you would already provide them. That means you have nothing to provide. You are also a potential scammer unless you show what you shared with Alex on delivery. Simple as that.

thoridasl · May 21, 2021

Seems you have issues to follow up but i'm not surprised, can't ask much from you.

I did provide evidence to ”clean” myself up from these accusations.

What I received from Original owner back in 2019 in terms of photos and Infos (which I've sent to you via PM at start of dispute and uploaded here) I've uploaded on the ticket to blizzard at the start of the dispute and they refused to restore back the account.

What Alex received from me? Same photo you got from him. Was our deal for him to receive an ID photo with SSN number hidden out, for data protection at that time. If any issue occured, he would've asked for full infos to be uploaded on an eventual ticket to blizzard. He can confirm that.

Wasn't the case of course, he sold it 1 month after.

Any way, where's your customer? Why is he not joining us?

Cus' Alex confirmed he talked to him and the guy said he re-sold it after a short time. (Screenshots in the other page of this thread)

So probably that's why.

Epic 1NPC · May 22, 2021

I also need bera's buyer to create an account here and post. Bera will be included in the split instead if the buyer does not reply here.

I'll them make a final decision on Monday.

saqer · May 23, 2021

Hello,

I am the buyer and the account was recalled. I had only one unclear ID photo, so basically i had no documents to recall whatsoever. And the account was recalled under my possession.

BERAccounts.com · May 24, 2021

It is clear that nobody received ID photos from Thoridasl. So why people getting involved to split loss if they are not even capable of performing an account recovery?

It is either original owner or Thoridasl. My customer literally has nothing to do with this situation and it is crazy that he be will be considered as partly responsible for that.

If that’s the case, I would rather pay for my customer’s share. He literally paid his life savings for that account and I promised him that nothing will happen to that account.

Also it is so sad to see that people getting advantage in these disputes over and over again. He cannot even proof that he shared recovery details with Alex but we consider everybody can perform a recovery without any data or documents and include them to split? That’s literal madness.

thoridasl · May 24, 2021

You had what Alex gave you. You didn't request extra photos from me. You knew from start that the photo (with personal number covered) would not help you or your buyer at blizzard's support.

So how did you promised him that nothing will happen to the account without having full information of it?

Paid life savings for a wow account? Just LOL. Let's be serious about that.

@saqer did you purchased this account from @Tec6686 ? Can you post proof of payment to him? So we're sure you're the direct client, of course.

Epic 1NPC · May 24, 2021

???? - Improvise12 sells to Thoridasl, 750€
Jan, 2020 - Thoridasl sell to Tech6686 (date base on feedback), 950€
???? - Tech6686 sells to saqer (Bera MM),
April, 2021 - account recovered

The original owner Improvise12 ([email protected]) failed to reply or to provide assistance to Thoridasl. He's been banned.

BERAccounts.com said:
It is clear that nobody received ID photos from Thoridasl. So why people getting involved to split loss if they are not even capable of performing an account recovery?

This is not true. Tech6686 received 1 ID image and he also provided that image to Saqer.

1) It's not possible for Thoridasl to dispute a 2+ year payment against Improvise12, so there is no possibility of recovering the original payment.
2) Tech6686 agreed not to resell, yet he resold it.
3) We do not honor warranties that provide a loophole to scam. Thoridasl your warranty allows to you recall the account anytime a customer resells it and provides you with immunity. I'm NOT saying you recalled the account, I'm just saying your warranty creates a loophole to scam. I'm sorry, but we can't fully honor your warranty.

What price did Saqer pay for the account? Please show evidence.

BERAccounts.com · May 24, 2021

How can someone perform an account recovery with that one ID photo? He shared that single ID screenshot with Alex when he sold account to him. Not even birth date is visible on that screenshot. I am surprised that he didn't blurred owner's eyes like a criminal mugshot photo and surface of desk on the background since it is very revealing and can be used for an account recovery.

But if you check my private messages with Thoridasl, he sent me 4 different ID screenshot without any type of blurred or covered area on them. So while that makes Thoridasl is actually capable of performing a successful recovery, it also makes Alex and Saqer is not able to perform a successful recovery. Why he didn't shared everything he had with Alex?

Also I want to point that again, original mail adress and all the other details that Thoridasl shared, doesn't recognized by GM. Most likely he is handing false informations or received false informations from original owner.

Key Factors of an Account Recovery Are:
-Account was originated at Croatia, so if Alex or Saqer wants to restore it from Switzerland or UAE, they will detect IP and country difference and demand extra proof of ownership.
-Account has been changed many hands and it must have different Paypal or Credit Card details saved on it's history. GM will be able to see that and will demand extra proof of ownership.
-If you send a blurred ID photo, they will accept that on minor account related issues since it is completely accepted by Blizzard. But if you are going for a recovery, that's not a child's play. They will demand anything that would completely proof that you are owner of the account. (Examples are ID next to Face, ID next to computer screen, ID on top of a magazine, ID on top of a birth or any type of government issued papers, back of your ID, locate your ID sideways or change it's place on the magazine paper as secondary screenshot and so on)

thoridasl · May 24, 2021

@EpicNPC

I'll send you same infos I've sent to GM for recovery and to Bera.

You can do yourself a ticket with full info I have that Old owner gave me in 2019. Or you can ask a moderator to do it.

They'll not accept it, it seems, saying the information is not correct. As they did on the ticket I've made.

But feel free to do it yourself to clear this out.

This way you can see yourself that I am not capable on recovering the account on my own.

EpicNPC said:
3) We do not honor warranties that provide a loophole to scam. Thoridasl your warranty allows to you recall the account anytime a customer resells it and provides you with immunity. I'm NOT saying you recalled the account, I'm just saying your warranty creates a loophole to scam. I'm sorry, but we can't fully honor your warranty.

Okay, so you do not respect & honor my warranty policy and of course, same for Bera, Safepoint and all other resellers here, on the forum, with same policy. Good to know.

@saqer please show us that you and no one else concluded the deal with @Tec6686

BERAccounts.com · May 24, 2021

thoridasl said:
You can do yourself a ticket with full info I have that Old owner gave me in 2019. Or you can ask a moderator to do it. They'll not accept it, it seems, saying the information is not correct. As they did on the ticket I've made.

Account's registered ownership details stays on account's history no matter what happens. As I said earlier, most likely original owner handed you another email adress with claiming that it is the original one. But you also might have been lying and trying to evade on that with that excuse. Your claim proves that details you share doesn't match with the account we are trying to restore, it is unquestionable.

thoridasl said:
@saqer please show us that you and no one else concluded the deal with @Tec6686

Do not worry on that, Alex will upload requested details tonight including what you delivered to him on purchase. As much as you try to avoid sharing that information, I will push for expose that even more. In the end, it will be proven that trusted badge is not something that you should have.

thoridasl · May 25, 2021

thoridasl said:
Seems you have issues to follow up but i'm not surprised, can't ask much from you.

What Alex received from me? Same photo you got from him. Was our deal for him to receive an ID photo with SSN number hidden out, for data protection at that time. If any issue occured, he would've asked for full infos to be uploaded on an eventual ticket to blizzard. He can confirm that.

He can confirm this, yea.

It was THAT photo. What else you want to confirm? Why should I be worried of? Literally you keep saying non-sense things.

It was OUR deal, between me and Alex.

Afterall, You knew my policy is the SAME with YOURS.

You ignored it as you had the right to refuse the deal, but you didn't. You ignored it just to abuse of it via the forum. Its like you didn't respect your OWN policy just to abuse of a forum member status.

Epic 1NPC · May 25, 2021

What price did Saqer pay for the account? Please show evidence.

Epic 1NPC · Jun 1, 2021

What price did Saqer pay for the account? Please include evidence.

@saqer
@BERAccounts.com
@Tec6686

Any one of you should be able to answer that.

BERAccounts.com · Jun 1, 2021

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

thoridasl · Jun 2, 2021

Alex confirmed me he'll post all information here as soon he gets back home

BERAccounts.com · Jun 2, 2021

Alex is saying that to me since past 2 weeks. I hope he will arrive soon.

Epic 1NPC · Jun 3, 2021

???? - Improvise12 sells to Thoridasl, 750€
Jan, 2020 - Thoridasl sell to Tech6686 (date base on feedback), 950€
???? - Tech6686 sells to saqer (Bera MM),
April, 2021 - account recovered

Improvise12 never replied, is not helping with recovery and has been banned. Thoridasl has no way to recover the payment from Improvise12.

scammers info:
Improvise12
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

This leaves Thoridasl, Tech6686 and saqer.

60% should be paid by Thoridasl and the remaining 40% by Tech6686 to saqer.

I understand Tech6686 has no ability to recall, but he agreed to a 'no resell' warranty, so that's why he's at 40%. If you can contact Improvise12 and he's willing to help, I can change the decision.

Still need evidence to show what saqer purchased the account for before assigning an amount.

Tec6686 · Jun 8, 2021

Hi all, sorry been away for long time due to health issues etc now I’m on vacation and will be back on Saturday.
Just wanted to clarify some stuff, I don’t know this guy Saqer and he wasn’t my client. So probably he is third or 4th buyer or only god and Bera knows which number he is. I will be posting payment proofs once I’m back home since I don’t have access to a pc atm.

Epic 1NPC · Jun 8, 2021

Tec6686 said:
Just wanted to clarify some stuff, I don’t know this guy Saqer and he wasn’t my client. So probably he is third or 4th buyer or only god and Bera knows which number he is.

It appears we have a problem then.

OO > Thoridasl > Tech6686 > Saqer (Bera MM)
or
OO > Thoridasl > Tech6686 >someone else > Saqer (Bera MM)

I need a video from Bera or Saqer showing their MM transaction. The video will have to show Saqer purchased the account from Tech6686 (chat logs) and proof of payment showing Tech6686 received a payment from Saqer.

Upload to Youtube and post the URL here or send it to me directly. If the video is not received in 48 hrs I will assume a 5th person owned the account.

Epic 1NPC · Jun 8, 2021

@Tec6686 these 2 posts by Bera appear to show you in a chat with the buyer saqer and the MM bera. Bonasser = saqer
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-...ecovery-no-refund.1924462/page-2#post-7595754
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-...ecovery-no-refund.1924462/page-3#post-7613229

thoridasl · Jun 9, 2021

Where's the proof that Bonasser = saqer?

Epic 1NPC · Jun 9, 2021

thoridasl said:
Where's the proof that Bonasser = saqer?

The chat has BERA, alex (Tech6686) and Bonasser (saqer) in it. This is what you've been talking about for 4 pages.

If saqer is not Bonasser, then what is this chat and why is Bera there being a MM?

If you're claiming Bonasser is not saqer, then Tech6686 must show video of the chat logs for the sale and payment information so we can see who he sold the account to. If this is not provided in 24 hrs, then Bonasser = saqer

thoridasl · Jun 9, 2021

I didnt claim that Bonasser is Saqer.

Seems you cannot follow the 4 pages at all.

@Tec6686 confirmed to me and Ive showed that same thing he says now, in his post: https://www.epicnpc.com/attachments/photo-30-04-2021-10-52-44-png.1641765/

that his client Bonasser RE-SOLD the account to another client, where Bera was MM as well.

As well, @Tec6686 said he'll be home in the weekend and post the info when he'll be at PC.

So follow that as well and wait for the guy.

Do not suppose things.

Epic 1NPC · Jun 9, 2021

thoridasl said:
that his client Bonasser RE-SOLD the account to another client, where Bera was MM as well.

Any where is the evidence of this?

This is what I'm using until video evidence is provided.
OO > Thoridasl > Tech6686 > Saqer (Bera MM)

I will be making a final decision in 48 hrs with or without evidence. This has gone on long enough, nearly 2 months and we're still disputing the chain of sales. No evidence will be accepted after 48 hrs.

BERAccounts.com · Jun 10, 2021

Thoridasl have 4 different ID screenshots with HD quality. None of these screenshots are chopped or edited. So that means, Thoridasl only shared 1 ID screenshot with Alex while having 4 ID screenshots. He also purposely damaged that ID screenshot for make Alex unable to use it for an account recovery.

MY INBOX - 4 DIFFERENT ID SCREENSHOTS (ID is Uncensored and HD Quality)

I think these screenshots clearly shows why Thoridasl was not willing to share that information even after Admin requested for it. Thoridasl tried to hide that because that was completely working against his claims. In this case, it is proven that neither Alex or Saqer couldn't perform an account recovery.

Also two more thing bothers me in this scenario.

1- While Thoridasl had 4 different ID screenshots, why he decided to share only one of them with Alex?
2- Thoridasl decided to censor that ID for which reason before share it with Alex?

Thoridasl might say that 'I wanted to protect my seller's personal information.' which would be understandable. But if you care for your customer's personal information that much, why you sent them to me without using any type of of censor? Or why you didn't told me 'Hey do not upload my customer's ID on a public dispute because his personal information can be seen by other people.' when I upload them multiple times. That clearly shows you don't care about your seller's privacy at all.

Shame on yourself. You tried to make innocent people pay for your mistakes just for lower your refund weight. Shame on yourself for trying to cover a scammer for avoid refund. Also shame on yourself for lying to your own customers because it would be on your benefit. That's why your business is dead because you are a dishonest person.

thoridasl · Jun 10, 2021

Remember that my deal happened in 2019 between me and @Tec6686 ?

Remember that also the account was in good statement until 2021, 1 month ago, when something happened - recalled by owner, lost by your client, whatever ?

Remember that you haven't asked for more photo IDs when you sold it to your client(s)? Why? Knowing that a censored ID wouldnt help you, just why?

1. My client @Tec6686 had the account for 1 month then sold it. I did shared him a censored photo to protect OO's personal info. If he would've had any other issues, he would have contacted me for further photos.

2. I wasn't aware of this account sale until 2021 when you both contacted me about it.

Do not act retarded like I did something to the account cus even if I did, I would've scammed @Tec6686 - as I did not knew the account was sold. - and then I would've had to apply my warranty. So yea, non-sense again.

3. I did sent the photos to you to help you recovering it after the dispute been made.

BERAccounts.com · Jun 10, 2021

Keep your lies and excuses to yourself. I won't bother with reading anymore. These screenshot proves that people you accused as potential scammers wasn't even capable of performing a recovery. While knowing none of these people had required tools for a recovery, you hide that fact just because being able to accuse them for lower your refund weight.

As extra, you claimed that I was lying about being a middleman for abuse the system. But in the end, I actually proved that I was really a middleman with a video evidence. You also created imaginary people in your ill mind and tried to add them into our subject for abusing 'Chain Refund' system so that would make you refund less.

All I can say is, that trusted badge looks dirty on your profile. You are more like 'Trade with Caution' type of a seller.

thoridasl · Jun 10, 2021

Chain refund system says 5 account sales or more needed for the rule to apply. Not the case here, then.

Whatever type of seller I am, I did respect your business's and epicnpc rules.

Until epic admin said this:

EpicNPC said:
3) We do not honor warranties that provide a loophole to scam. Thoridasl your warranty allows to you recall the account anytime a customer resells it and provides you with immunity. I'm NOT saying you recalled the account, I'm just saying your warranty creates a loophole to scam. I'm sorry, but we can't fully honor your warranty.

Single thing he missed is the fact that neither YOU or @Tec6686 notified me about the account being resold.

So it doesnt apply.

Tec6686 · Jun 12, 2021

I’m here to defend myself and to clarify some facts, first I can’t recall this account since I don’t have enough information about it all I got on delivery was 1 ID see attachment, second even if I could I would never do such an harmful act to anyone. I’ve been scammed multiple times and I know it hurts a lot. It’s not my thing.

Epic 1NPC · Jun 16, 2021

2019 - OO (Improvise12) sells to Thoridasl (4 ID images)
2019 - Thoridasl sells to Tech6686 (1 ID image provided)
2021 - Tech6686 sells to Saqer (Bera MM)

Account recovery failed. ID + face + newpaper required, no one has this information. Account can't be recovered since OO never responded. OO was banned.

The sale from Tech6686 to Saqer caused the recall. It's not a conscience that after 1 months it was recalled when nothing happened to the account for 2 years.

I don't know who caused it, it could be any person involved, so I will split the lose with everyone.

Original decision
60% should be paid by Thoridasl and the remaining 40% by Tech6686 to saqer.

Final decision:
40% should be paid by Thoridasl to saqer
40% by Tech6686 to saqer.
saqer loses 20% of his payment

I'm no longer accepting evidence unless the account is recovered.

Not all decisions are good or fair, I don't like this outcome, but it's the best I can do based on the evidence I saw. I will not be changing it unless the account is recovered.

BERAccounts.com · Jun 16, 2021

EpicNPC said:
ID + face + newpaper required, no one has this information

Thoridasl have these screenshots and he didn't shared them with Tech and Saqer.

EpicNPC said:
The sale from Tech6686 to Saqer caused the recall.

Tech6686 himself have an account that is worth around 4000-5000 EUR and he have no reason to do such a desperate move. No need to mention that acccount has been recovered under Saqer's possession. In this case, there are no other person who can perform a successful recovery except original owner and Thoridasl. Also no need to mention that Thoridasl hijacked our recovery attempt.

EpicNPC said:
Final decision:
40% should be paid by Thoridasl to saqer
40% by Tech6686 to saqer.
saqer loses 20% of his payment

I will pay for Saqer's and Tech6686's shares on this split. I won't let innocent people pay for something that they are not related to. After Thoridasl pays for his share, dispute can be closed.

Epic 1NPC · Jun 17, 2021

BERAccounts.com said:
Thoridasl have these screenshots and he didn't shared them with Tech and Saqer.

Yes, but those are from 2019. The images have to be with 2021 newspaper. When Thoridasl tried to recover using those 2019 images, he was denied, so they didn't work.

Tech6686 made an agreement when he purchased it from Thoridasl and broke it. That is why he's included.

@saqer Please update here once you receive payments from each person.

thoridasl · Jun 22, 2021

Hello @EpicNPC

I don't like this final outcome either and I'm writing you - YOU only, not Bera, as you're the ”boss in charge” in here.

Please follow my message and respond me to a few questions I have:

1. My own business policy says: ”B. Selling the account to a third party will void the Lifetime Warranty. ”

EpicNPC said:
3) We do not honor warranties that provide a loophole to scam. Thoridasl your warranty allows to you recall the account anytime a customer resells it and provides you with immunity. I'm NOT saying you recalled the account, I'm just saying your warranty creates a loophole to scam. I'm sorry, but we can't fully honor your warranty.

Above is your statement about my policy.

I find this abusive first of all because you stated that and of course, you did not take into consideration the single fact that my policy is valid as neither BERAccounts.com or Tec6686 told me about the sale happening until this dispute happened.

So, loophole to scam? Pretty much impossible, as I knew the account was under MY Client's possession all the time. I have no intention to scam my clients and Tec6686 can confirm that.

2.) You said your final decision is based on this rule below:

EpicNPC said:
Chain Trades - Recalls
This is where an account has been bought and sold many times. If an account has been bought or sold 5 or more times and can't be recovered in a recall dispute, the lose will be split by everyone involved. Exceptions can be made if evidence is provided showing someone had no ability to recall the account.

Following the trades that happened on the account now:

1st trade: OO -> Thoridasl
2nd trade: Thoridasl -> Tec6686
3rd trade: Tec6686 -> Saqer

Correct? Correct.

So that's a total of 3 trades.

How did you apply the forum rule where its needed to be ”bought or sold 5 or more times and can't be recovered in a recall dispute” ?

3) Since when a self-called Middleman can open disputes in behalf of a customer?

That's not mentioned to be possible in the forum's rules.

What you did for Bera all these 4 pages?
- You permitted him to have this dispute on-going instead of asking Saqer doing it. So he can ”middleman” disputes now? Is that allowed?
- You didn't said any word about Bera's insults against me or my business. As much as we know, insults are not permitted here, on epicnpc.
- Bera seems to be allowed to only ”middleman” trades onto accounts from his competitors, make profit on that and then create disputes around. He seem to not be responsible of anything. That looks like someone is protecting him. Cus yea, he's got the same business rules as we, his competitors do, same ”loopholes” into the policy.

These being said, forum's rules has some loopholes in it too that you took advantage of compared to the one you said my business does, that cannot be applied as I didn't knew my client sold the account to Saqer.

Please take in consideration the fact that Bera does this to take out of the forum his competitors in any way he can and you're helping him out this way.

Eu-Accounts.com - thoridasl - cristian.puf21 - Account Recovery - No Refund

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