Affiliate/Catalog Links Rule Clarification

[EpicNPC]

To provide some clarification about catalogs, the rules have been updated to include the wordage and to provide clarification where they can be posted.

I want to mention we have never allowed affiliate links, but catalogs seem to have fallen through the cracks.

Catalogs are the same as an affiliate or referral link. Sellers are reselling for someone else, they do not own anything and they earn a commission for each sale.

Advertising websites (referral, affiliate, catalog links) is not allowed and considered spam.

• Links cannot appear on profile or contact page, threads, posts, signatures or be sent via chat.
• Linking to a site that contains these types of links is also prohibited.
• Redirecting users to other chats (Discord, Telegram, etc.) for the purpose of promoting these types of links is also prohibited.

Paid advertising remains an exception to these rules.


The reason we do not allow these types of links is because many sellers post the same links and flood the site with the same products.

We have dozens of sellers all linking to the same few catalogs. Many have already been notified and warned and we started to remove threads. If you have any of these threads please edit or remove them.

 

[Taki]

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Let me explain you how this reselling process works via catalog websites. Catalog websites don't work like an affiliate or referral link:

1. Resellers contact with account suppliers and make an agreement for their pricing and the accounts' security. They also get the catalogs for those accounts. Since there are millions of accounts created, there is a need for those catalog websites. On most of the catalog websites there is no direct payment link so it's not an affiliate link.

2. When a buyer contacts with a reseller that has catalog website, they want to get the catalog so they can choose the available account they want. After the account selection buyer pays to the reseller directly, then reseller pays for the account to their supplier and actually buy the account from the supplier and deliver it to the buyer. This is an actual buy and sell process which is much faster than buy an account wait till it's been sold, not an affiliate or referral link.

This can be considered as middleman sale but we already have an exception rule for this:
Exception: Starter reroll accounts for mobile games. Sellers use bots to create thousands of accounts trying to get certain rare character combinations. They are then left with thousands of extra accounts. A "find account" post can be made for these types of sales since there are too many accounts to list.

If we come to your third added rule above, there is actually no way for us to implement this rule since we are not investigating Discord/Telegram disputes or reports.

Suggestion: Remove the third rule and add that no matter what sharing any links, including their own websites, is prohibited for this starter account selling business.

I get your point about the mass about this catalog website sharing etc on EpicNPC, there is a simple solution for this. We will just don't allow any seller to provide those links on EpicNPC threads or profiles including their own websites, they can only say "contact to the seller for catalogs" etc. It's that simple.

Otherwise this will be another disastrous rule change to further kill EpicNPC.

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[EpicNPC]

After the account selection buyer pays to the reseller directly, then reseller pays for the account to their supplier and actually buy the account from the supplier and deliver it to the buyer.

If a seller purchased 100 accounts from a catalog, then resold them here, that would not be a violation. That is what we want sellers to do. However this is not what is happening.

Sellers are not purchasing accounts upfront, instead they're sending the same catalog links to potential buyers and asking them to select an account. Once the buyer finds one, they then purchase it and provide it to the buyer.

This is confirmed by the fact dozens of sellers are all using the same catalog links. If each seller had their own limited inventory, the links would not be the same.

There's 2 ways a seller can resolve this issued.

1. Once a seller purchases a set of accounts from the catalog, they should setup their own catalog that lists those accounts. As they're sold, they can purchase more and restock their own catalogs.

2. Ask the account provider to setup unique mini-catalogs for resellers. This would be a unique page that lists different accounts for each reseller and each reseller would have their own unique links. This way we can confirm multiple sellers are not selling the same accounts.

I get your point about the mass about this catalog website sharing etc on EpicNPC, there is a simple solution for this. We will just don't allow any seller to provide those links on EpicNPC threads or profiles including their own websites, they can only say "contact to the seller for catalogs" etc. It's that simple.

The reason for the 3rd rule is because some sellers are already using a method to avoid detection. They setup many threads, do not provide any links and simply state, "contact me for the catalog link".

Once the buyer contacts them, they provide the catalog link or ask them to go on Discord and send the catalog link there. The link alone is not the problem, we don't want these types of threads to exist, so this is why the 3rd rule was added.

 

[Taki]

1. Once a seller purchases a set of accounts from the catalog, they should setup their own catalog that lists those accounts. As they're sold, they can purchase more and restock their own catalogs.

This won't work, sellers will list some example accounts and once they are sold they will buy that account from the account suppliers and provide it to the buyer. Nothing changes.

2. Ask the account provider to setup unique mini-catalogs for resellers. This would be a unique page that lists different accounts for each reseller and each reseller would have their own unique links. This way we can confirm multiple sellers are not selling the same accounts.

This also won't work because it will still list the same accounts only the website link will look different. There is no different account, sellers can make it "seems like different account" but it will still be from the same catalog behind. Then what's the point of this change?

The reason for the 3rd rule is because some sellers are already using a method to avoid detection. They setup many threads, do not provide any links and simply state, "contact me for the catalog link".

This 3rd rule is an area where we don't have power and also can't investigate since anyone reported can simply say "it wasn't me, an impersonator", "I didn't share the common catalog, it was my own catalog" etc.
They can just say "contact me to purchase" or "contact me for more help" etc. So we just removed the catalog word then everything still the same. How can we implement this nonsense rule?

The link alone is not the problem, we don't want these types of threads to exist, so this is why the 3rd rule was added.

Like every other interesting update, paid advertisements remains an exception to these rules. You say "The one who pays the piper calls the tune." This also kills the competition between new sellers or some poor sellers. Making the market one sided, this will create a monopoly not a market.

If we start to think in this direction, we should prohibit all kind of selling business since they all do the same thing(the same logic with the sellers sharing the same catalogs), boosters for example they work with unverified boosters and offering the same services, should not be allowed since they are offering the same service like others. Resellers for example I don't think all resellers just buy wait and sell, they make agreements with the previous seller then list the account and get the account when it's being sold. Top up services, same logic. What left?

This update with its current status is a nonsense and cannot be implementable. Needs to be changed, and my suggestion is just adding a warning to all those forums like the one you did on gold selling forums about the hand farmed gold selling. You can add a warning by saying something like "All those resellers might be working with the same account suppliers/sources and those accounts created by bots so purchase wisely.". Also just prohibit any catalog sharing on EpicNPC, on their profiles, threads including sellers' own websites. No exception.

In conclusion if you are insisting on this change what kind of site are you trying to turn EpicNPC into? If you are thinking of closing up the marketplace and leaving, please share it with us.

 

[xlDev]

I’m in agreement with some of Taki’s points in that removing the catalog listings altogether (excluding paid advertising) does create a monopoly for bigger sellers.

I believe the biggest argument in favor of keeping the catalog listing is that it’s not a true referral or affiliation link. With referral or affiliation links, all the user has to do is copy and paste said advertising link, or code and enter it on the affiliates website. However, those reselling from the catalogs aren’t just asking buyers to go and buy off said website. The resellers are initiating and completing the transaction from start to finish.

Now if the argument is, there’s just too many people selling the same thing, one can argue that a niche marketplace does kind of become that eventually. Top up sellers sell the same exact thing, and it just becomes who provides a better rate and better service.

Maybe limiting the amount of posts by a user promoting a catalog to one max per thread, can be a solution. That way they’re not taking up a whole page with all their services. This can act as a deterrent if a user wants to promote other services. For example, Taki might be allowed to post one post max for an Arknights catalog link, and no other services in the Arknights thread (not including sticky or paid advertising).

Just throwing out some quick ideas, since I do believe this causes more harm than good for sellers and buyers - biggest argument being a monopoly on sticky threads and market.

 

[EpicNPC]

Now if the argument is, there’s just too many people selling the same thing, one can argue that a niche marketplace does kind of become that eventually. Top up sellers sell the same exact thing, and it just becomes who provides a better rate and better service.

That's normal competition. If one seller is faster or more professional or provides better support, buyers will gravitate to that seller. The competition raises the quality of all service providers.

However if you have 5 sellers all selling the same account, that does nothing for the market and provides a terrible experience for the buyer. Imagine being a new buyer, contacting 2-3 sellers for a particular game and they all send you the same catalog links. That's a horrible first impression.

The main issue is we were too lenient with catalog links for too long. The rules were not clear and too many sellers have been using them. We now have to reverse course and block catalogs in the same way we block other referral/affiliate links. I'm sorry.

 

[MGaming]

If a seller purchased 100 accounts from a catalog, then resold them here, that would not be a violation. That is what we want sellers to do. However this is not what is happening.

Sellers are not purchasing accounts upfront, instead they're sending the same catalog links to potential buyers and asking them to select an account. Once the buyer finds one, they then purchase it and provide it to the buyer.

This is confirmed by the fact dozens of sellers are all using the same catalog links. If each seller had their own limited inventory, the links would not be the same.

There's 2 ways a seller can resolve this issued.

1. Once a seller purchases a set of accounts from the catalog, they should setup their own catalog that lists those accounts. As they're sold, they can purchase more and restock their own catalogs.

2. Ask the account provider to setup unique mini-catalogs for resellers. This would be a unique page that lists different accounts for each reseller and each reseller would have their own unique links. This way we can confirm multiple sellers are not selling the same accounts.


The reason for the 3rd rule is because some sellers are already using a method to avoid detection. They setup many threads, do not provide any links and simply state, "contact me for the catalog link".

Once the buyer contacts them, they provide the catalog link or ask them to go on Discord and send the catalog link there. The link alone is not the problem, we don't want these types of threads to exist, so this is why the 3rd rule was added.

Is it okay if it is done like SetsunaEpic or xlDev, where they link their site instead (which also eventually links to the possibly same catalogs)?

 

[xlDev]

Is it okay if it is done like SetsunaEpic or xlDev, where they link their site instead (which also eventually links to the possibly same catalogs)?

I was told no when i asked the same question. Unless its done via paid advertising spots

 

[MGaming]

I was told no when i asked the same question. Unless its done via paid advertising spots

Oh, that's quite strict. It is what it is, I guess..

Assuming a seller have their own catalog - does having no price (on a non sticky thread) allowed? Or only having price range

Example I have in mind would probably be:
-skyruins
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/【global-japan】reverse-1999-starter-catalog-guest-starter-account-10000-combos.2644903/

I'm pretty sure there were others but I forgot their name already, cough.

 

[Futen]

I agree with Mike that any affiliate links or personal websites shouldn't be allowed. The reason is that affiliate links tend to be associated with MM service violations, thread hijacking, and spam/duplicate threads. Additionally, it's surprisingly easy for someone to create multiple EpicNPC accounts with identical threads, such as having 10 devices and 10 EpicNPC accounts, which could lead to 10 identical threads with 10 different PayPal payment options.

 

[Futen]

@EpicNPC One thing, this rules would be better, if the thread had pics details

As above, Seller can sell the same account to different 10 Epicnpc accounts (10 maybe too much, But if there are 2-3 Epicnpc accounts then they will be considered as different people.)

Example: like just write the 3 ssr words: "with the same characters name" with different pattern threads, titles, without pics details

 

[EpicNPC]

Is it okay if it is done like SetsunaEpic or xlDev, where they link their site instead (which also eventually links to the possibly same catalogs)?

I'm sorry, that is against the rules.

Advertising websites (referral, affiliate, catalog links) is not allowed and considered spam.

• Links cannot appear on profile or contact page, threads, posts, signatures or be sent via chat.
• Linking to a site that mostly contains these types of links is also prohibited.
• Redirecting users to other chats (Discord, Telegram, etc.) for the purpose of promoting these types of links is also prohibited.

Assuming a seller have their own catalog - does having no price (on a non sticky thread) allowed? Or only having price range

Sticky threads are paid ads and are exempt from these rules. Price is also not required. Sticky thread can break these rules
https://www.epicnpc.com/infocenter/advertising.html

• Contains an affiliate/referral link.
• Is a duplicate thread.
• Is posted in an unrelated section.
• Is missing required information (pricing, payment options, boosting terms, ect).
  

One thing, this rules would be better, if the thread had pics details

Requiring images for every account sale would affect everyone which is not something I want to do.

 

[MGaming]

I'm sorry, that is against the rules.

Advertising websites (referral, affiliate, catalog links) is not allowed and considered spam.

• Links cannot appear on profile or contact page, threads, posts, signatures or be sent via chat.
• Linking to a site that mostly contains these types of links is also prohibited.
• Redirecting users to other chats (Discord, Telegram, etc.) for the purpose of promoting these types of links is also prohibited.

Sticky threads are paid ads and are exempt from these rules. Price is also not required. Sticky thread can break these rules
https://www.epicnpc.com/infocenter/advertising.html

• Contains an affiliate/referral link.
• Is a duplicate thread.
• Is posted in an unrelated section.
• Is missing required information (pricing, payment options, boosting terms, ect).

Requiring images for every account sale would affect everyone which is not something I want to do.

Got it. Sorry for the extra questions again.

1. Assuming one (or all) account provider have a set price (1 SSR = $5, 2 = $15, 3 = $30, etc)
But not all amount are listed (as accounts are ever-changing, and so will prices depending on stock & demand).
Will this be allowed on a non-sticky thread, if listed by a "seller / reseller"?

2. Are personal websites (that doesn't link to the same catalog) is allowed on non-sticky threads?
Or does this count as "referral / affiliate"?

 

[Futen]

Requiring images for every account sale would affect everyone which is not something I want to do.

Allowing threads without images , some of the rules you've set will be pointless. That's because people can easily get around them (thread hijacking, account finding, false ads, illegal accounts). What if a scammer steals a game account and then sells it on EpicNPC? They can just change the details to avoid detection, like selling a stolen Genshin character account with a C5 label instead of C6. I'm just asking, which sellers would actually mind uploading images to their threads?

 

[EpicNPC]

1. Assuming one (or all) account provider have a set price (1 SSR = $5, 2 = $15, 3 = $30, etc)
But not all amount are listed (as accounts are ever-changing, and so will prices depending on stock & demand).
Will this be allowed on a non-sticky thread, if listed by a "seller / reseller"?

2. Are personal websites (that doesn't link to the same catalog) is allowed on non-sticky threads?
Or does this count as "referral / affiliate"?

It doesn't matter how the seller is providing the catalog link to the buyer. It's prohibited no matter the method you're using. The only exception is paid ads.

If you have a thread selling accounts, then give a potential buyer a catalog link, that thread is in violation. It doesn't matter if the thread or your website doesn't have a catalog link. We do not want sellers setting up threads to advertise catalogs unless they are the owner of all accounts in that catalog.

A seller should be posting their own unique catalog links that no other seller is using directly in the thread so the buyer doesn't need to contact the seller to browse their inventory . When we see threads that are selling catalog accounts and we see "contact me offsite" we'll assume referral catalog links are being used and we'll setup fake buyers to obtain evidence. Those sellers will then be banned.

If that's all you sell, I recommend leaving Epicnpc and selling somewhere else. We will be banning repeat violators permanently.

 

[MGaming]

It doesn't matter how the seller is providing the catalog link to the buyer. It's prohibited no matter the method you're using. The only exception is paid ads.

If you have a thread selling accounts, then give a potential buyer a catalog link, that thread is in violation. It doesn't matter if the thread or your website doesn't have a catalog link. We do not want sellers setting up threads to advertise catalogs unless they are the owner of all accounts in that catalog.

A seller should be posting their own unique catalog links that no other seller is using directly in the thread so the buyer doesn't need to contact the seller to browse their inventory . When we see threads that are selling catalog accounts and we see "contact me offsite" we'll assume referral catalog links are being used and we'll setup fake buyers to obtain evidence. Those sellers will then be banned.

If that's all you sell, I recommend leaving Epicnpc and selling somewhere else. We will be banning repeat violators permanently.

It's not all I sell, I am genuinely asking because the "big sellers" actually mostly just sell that - which as Taki says, will indeed be a monopoly from what I see here.

Here's my 2 cents now (ignore if you want):

Spoiler

-I take it EpicNPC is getting more aggressive in monetizing.
This is understandable as things go on and EpicNPC gets bigger (and it has done so).
But the "advertising" slots doesn't seem that accommodating, in my opinion.
Being only 4 slots for stickies (it was 3 from what I know in the past?), and I'm unsure for the header/side ads as I never used them.

-My peeve with this update (ignoring stickies and ads) that you want a more healthier or better market - as a buyer (rarely), I feel pretty overwhelmed by the amount of threads "active" forums have.
People can be posting every minute or two, browsing it is a pain, finding specific price range is a pain, and the "thread limit" doesn't really exist as it is only first page.

This also affects mods - checking threads in first page "not exceeding" thread limits is fine and all, but we don't have any easier way to see if they made more past the limit after some or all their threads went to page 2 and beyond. (Since the limit isn't effective anymore)
Add "super active" forums/games (alot of sellers posting threads), and well, it's a mess, at least to me.
I have no idea if it has changed since I stopped becoming a Moderator, though.

-Sure anyone can buy stickies or ads, even small sellers.
But I think the effectiveness is alot lower for newer / smaller sellers compared to the big sellers/resellers. Because of feedback, of course.
When you have very high feedback, even high prices like from SetsunaEpic works just fine, because of trust (or branding).
So obviously they have higher ROI for ads, even if the price is gouged / very high.
I feel there's a high chance the stickies and ads will be monopolized by the same players/users - which is already very apparent even now (SetsunaEpic being one of the easiest to mention, with some others like Alifice, EpicStoreVIP, zzreroll, etc).

tl;dr I'm pretty flabbergasted. But eh, it is what it is, I guess.

(A bit more rant below)
I don't have any idea to suggest on how you can improve it for the masses aside becoming something more like a marketplace - providing more payment options may be one way (would be amazing if you support tons of local payment options for countries around the world), or making the forum basically region locked to some countries, reducing traffic but also increasing control and revenue.

I admit TrustAp is "okay", but their rates and (in my opinion) VERY SLOW payout is annoying. This is already excluding the 3 day buyer's protection wait time.

 

[Taki]

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[Taki]

When we see threads that are selling catalog accounts and we see "contact me offsite" we'll assume referral catalog links are being used and we'll setup fake buyers to obtain evidence. Those sellers will then be banned.

Are you really serious about this, lol

 

[Angel]

Global mod team can you please share your ideas about this inapplicable, absurd rule please @Adoxia @Angel @ARMIK @DOPEBOOST @Goodman @Kai @SaltnVinegar @The Integrity

I have just edited one of my normal threads here to comply with this new rule, I also put a forwarding link to one of my sticky thread which I paid money so it's done. Completely complied with this new rule!
[/STAFF]

I'm not sure why this change was made. Did we receive many complaints about this, or is there another reason? On the other hand, I know that some sellers create their own catalogs, so I don't think this rule will have much of an impact on anyone.

Allowing threads without images , some of the rules you've set will be pointless. That's because people can easily get around them (thread hijacking, account finding, false ads, illegal accounts). What if a scammer steals a game account and then sells it on EpicNPC? They can just change the details to avoid detection, like selling a stolen Genshin character account with a C5 label instead of C6. I'm just asking, which sellers would actually mind uploading images to their threads?

I believe that screenshots should be mandatory. This would significantly reduce false sales and make it faster and easier for buyers to find what they want. Personally, I find it frustrating to have to contact sellers for screenshots and sometimes wait more than a day for a response. Honestly, I am not sure why it would be hard for anyone to upload images.

However if you have 5 sellers all selling the same account, that does nothing for the market and provides a terrible experience for the buyer. Imagine being a new buyer, contacting 2-3 sellers for a particular game and they all send you the same catalog links. That's a horrible first impression.

Agree.

This can be considered as middleman sale but we already have an exception rule for this:

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[John Ashyer]

as a small seller with limited products, I agree with this update.

I usually sell game accounts related to the games I actively play, with the advantage that I know my favorite games sometimes I make starter accounts to sell or buy other player accounts to resell.
and usually for me to be able to sell my product I give a price below sellers who have a higher reputation and more inventory if it's a starter account.
maybe because I know very well that creating an account takes effort I agree with this update I quite often see similar threads but I don't think too much about it because the info I see in the thread is the original owner
different from the starter category when I want to resell an account especially on the mid or even high end, I take seriously what the original owner is because all I know is that I have to be responsible with what I'm going to sell.

 

[John Ashyer]

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[bola gamer]

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hi, sorry jump in.
I just want to share some opinion on my though to you all.

1. If sending catalog inside discord is ban and violation. I can said this is abit unfair. Firstly discord is not own by epicnpc. Discord is one of the private chatting apps. People have right to sent and talk whatever they like to their friend list. I dont feel you have right to control what people talk and do inside their private chat discord or any social media messaging.
2. I pointless also because they is 100 similiar app for discord. Now u ban discord. In future they can sent catalog though facebook, twitter or any other social chatting apps. There can as the buyer contact them using other chatting apps. So in future did you also want control and ban all the social media or other all kind of chatting app?
3. Example if the seller bought 5 different sticky thread, he also had other normal thread. When someone unknown sending friend request from the seller discord, There was alot of probability the friend request may came from the sticky thread, friend intro, buyer saw his discord from his website or many other similiar marketplace or facebook. So is common sense the will greet them with welcome message or sent share their website link to them. How could the seller can confirm that buyer is came from HIS NORMAL THREAD, then he need follow his rule for not sending catalog to them.

Did you expect we all need ask each of our friend request - where you came from? how you see me? which thread? then tell the buyer please reply me so i will know is that i have right to sent you my catalog link or share you my store website. Think about this, is that abit not common sense and unacceptable rule?

 

[bola gamer]

Second sharing opinion is about the website store.

I understand posting direct link or catalog link which direct to other of different different website is NOT allow, Yes totally agree because is break the rule and will make the marketplace look messy or just like a advertising ads.

But i want to ask you all, If we got our own website. Why we not allow and dont have the right to share it?
Example the seller website/store is selling alot of other product - maybe some is end game, own starter account, resources account. PC game, PS5 game and also catalog link..

but seller is sharing his own real store website with selling other kind of product. Let said his website contain 100 kind of other own product and also contain 50 catalog link.
So i dont see the website store is violation and counted as referral / affiliate.
What mean by referral / affiliate? It mean by sharing a direct link to other website.
That is his own personal website, he have right to put that link.

Let me give another good example.
Mcdonald website.
let said Mcdonald website contain 100 kind of his own different burger., but inside also got 1 page contain some direct link to other page of people product.
so Mcdonald website count as referral / affiliate? should be ban?
I know we want the rule strict and want the marketplace clean.

But at least we need some common sense and acceptable fair enough rule for all seller and not harm anyone.

 

[bola gamer]

Lastly, I had came up some good idea and plan to solve this mess and problem.
Dear mike, i hope you can consider my idea and plan for this solution.

1. Maybe epicnpc can create a plan - example like an upgrade account for seller.
When the seller buy and upgrade this account. There allow to share his website link. (Only their own real store website).
The term and condition is the website at least got sell some other kind of product is consider allow because at least not 100% purely direct link website.
Google doc or word file is not allow.

OK then the flow is like this.
Maybe once the seller buy this upgrade account. They maybe have right to post MAX 20-30 maybe for their normal thread for sharing their own website link store.
Price maybe you can set 200 USD/ 250 USD? or 150$ maybe. this can adjust.

Ok then let me explain the benefit.
Example if you set 200 USD for per month for this upgrade account. so seller can post max 30 or 20 normal thread buy sharing his website link or you so call as catalog link.
This will able can success full limit the catalog seller floaded in your market place. Because not every seller will able to buy this plan or willing to buy this plan.
What i know is all the while doing violation, finding loophole is those new seller, low rate seller or less reputation seller. So they will buying this kind of plan. And most importantly only those LOYAL SELLER, REAL SELLER, HIGH REPUTATION SELLER, REALLY GOT HEART WANTED TO DO BUSINESSS AT HERE will buy this kind of plan.

So this idea can help you mike limit and reduce all the catalog seller, PLUS EPICNPC ABLE TO EARN MORE INCOME on this plan.
example 200 USD per month for 1 seller. If you got 10 seller buy this upgrade account
10x 200 = 2000 USD.
If you want limit more seller buy this, You can set the plan must purchase straight away for 3 month. if buy must buy 3 month. Not allow to renew monthly.
Beside that you can ADD ANOTHER TERM AND CONDITION:
example only seller with minimum 300 feedback or account created more than 2 or 3 year ONLY ABLE VALID TO BUY THIS UPGRADE ACCOUNT.
This also can reduce and minus all the new catalog seller keep coming in. So you will reduce the catalog seller. Wont floated your forum.
so is a WIN WIN situation. catalog seller can limit it. those violation and low reputation catalog seller can reduce. At end you will only gain the loyal and real heart seller at here like ME like US. plus you able to earn more extra income for epicnpc.

Beside that, seller who buying this plan you have right to post MAX 20-30 maybe for their normal thread. So they can apply this license on his normal thread. And because mobile game always having alot of new game coming. Old game if too old may dead. So i feel the seller once buy this plan is apply to remove and change the license on his thread. Mean he had 30x license to apply on his thread. He can remove and add into other new thread so those seller wont forever only hugging this 20x SAME thread.

As once this up. i know you all sure ask about sticky thread issue. NO WORRY.
What is sticky thread main job in forum?
sticky thread main purpose is to highlight and forever stick at the top so buyer or and visiter can see them their thread first.
so sticky thread can remain stay at top and also CONTINUE REMAIN ALL EXCEPTION ON ALL THE RULE AND CATALOG LINK. No change.,

those upgrade account plan only for apply license to normal thread buy sharing the seller website store which inside contain so call as catalog referral / affiliate. Is just a tool of license to apply it. But the thread remain will goes to page 2 page 3 page 4. Seller who want his thread at top and remain number 1 can continue buy sticky thread.

Dear mike and other, i hope you all can fully understand my this idea plan main purpose. it can solve all both side situation and this mess. I hope epicnpc can consider it and or maybe enhance it.
If you continue BAN all and stick to this current rule now. I CAN SAID ALOT SELLER WILL DIE. IS WILL STOP AND CLOSEDOWN THEIR BUSINESS. Imagine seller like me full time selling game. Every month they need income for survive and for family. You just asking them do change job. You are Killing them right now.

We all is loyal seller loyal and many year at epicnpc. What i want is to see bigger picture. I hope to continue working at here for long term. Continue to support. Helping epicnpc to grow and become top 1. More traffic coming. This is what we want. Not like now killing each other or murdering all the seller.
TO BE HONEST, ALOT BUYER AND VISITOR COME HERE IS BECAUSE THEY LOOKING FOR CATALOG SELLER. Because they want to choose 100 diffrent variant kind of combo. Is because catalog seller we only able to bring more and more traffic come here.

 

[Adoxia]

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As far as the whole situation goes. I simply believe that people should have their products that they plan to sell. This is my own opinion even prior to the changes before this to things being counted as MM services as its just good customer service. If I need to contact a third party to get the product for the buyer its not good service. (This is for any products being sold) It sounds like catalogs were originally an exception to this.

I would say the middle ground for this would be that sellers will need to get a custom catalog made. I haven’t ever really looked into catalog links but from my understanding its a webpage with an image of characters from a game. This should be easy for any seller to create or simply create a custom image to share.

I do not know the ins and outs of catalogs and typically stay out of handling reports involving them so I don’t have much opinion on these changes themselves.

I'm not sure why this change was made. Did we receive many complaints about this, or is there another reason? On the other hand, I know that some sellers create their own catalogs, so I don't think this rule will have much of an impact on anyone.

I believe its because of the amount of reports surrounding the subject that brought this topic up.

 

[MGaming]

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[Futen]

Lastly, I had came up some good idea and plan to solve this mess and problem.
Dear mike, i hope you can consider my idea and plan for this solution.

1. Maybe epicnpc can create a plan - example like an upgrade account for seller.
When the seller buy and upgrade this account. There allow to share his website link. (Only their own real store website).
The term and condition is the website at least got sell some other kind of product is consider allow because at least not 100% purely direct link website.
Google doc or word file is not allow.

OK then the flow is like this.
Maybe once the seller buy this upgrade account. They maybe have right to post MAX 20-30 maybe for their normal thread for sharing their own website link store.
Price maybe you can set 200 USD/ 250 USD? or 150$ maybe. this can adjust.

Ok then let me explain the benefit.
Example if you set 200 USD for per month for this upgrade account. so seller can post max 30 or 20 normal thread buy sharing his website link or you so call as catalog link.
This will able can success full limit the catalog seller floaded in your market place. Because not every seller will able to buy this plan or willing to buy this plan.
What i know is all the while doing violation, finding loophole is those new seller, low rate seller or less reputation seller. So they will buying this kind of plan. And most importantly only those LOYAL SELLER, REAL SELLER, HIGH REPUTATION SELLER, REALLY GOT HEART WANTED TO DO BUSINESSS AT HERE will buy this kind of plan.

So this idea can help you mike limit and reduce all the catalog seller, PLUS EPICNPC ABLE TO EARN MORE INCOME on this plan.
example 200 USD per month for 1 seller. If you got 10 seller buy this upgrade account
10x 200 = 2000 USD.
If you want limit more seller buy this, You can set the plan must purchase straight away for 3 month. if buy must buy 3 month. Not allow to renew monthly.
Beside that you can ADD ANOTHER TERM AND CONDITION:
example only seller with minimum 300 feedback or account created more than 2 or 3 year ONLY ABLE VALID TO BUY THIS UPGRADE ACCOUNT.
This also can reduce and minus all the new catalog seller keep coming in. So you will reduce the catalog seller. Wont floated your forum.
so is a WIN WIN situation. catalog seller can limit it. those violation and low reputation catalog seller can reduce. At end you will only gain the loyal and real heart seller at here like ME like US. plus you able to earn more extra income for epicnpc.

Beside that, seller who buying this plan you have right to post MAX 20-30 maybe for their normal thread. So they can apply this license on his normal thread. And because mobile game always having alot of new game coming. Old game if too old may dead. So i feel the seller once buy this plan is apply to remove and change the license on his thread. Mean he had 30x license to apply on his thread. He can remove and add into other new thread so those seller wont forever only hugging this 20x SAME thread.

As once this up. i know you all sure ask about sticky thread issue. NO WORRY.
What is sticky thread main job in forum?
sticky thread main purpose is to highlight and forever stick at the top so buyer or and visiter can see them their thread first.
so sticky thread can remain stay at top and also CONTINUE REMAIN ALL EXCEPTION ON ALL THE RULE AND CATALOG LINK. No change.,

those upgrade account plan only for apply license to normal thread buy sharing the seller website store which inside contain so call as catalog referral / affiliate. Is just a tool of license to apply it. But the thread remain will goes to page 2 page 3 page 4. Seller who want his thread at top and remain number 1 can continue buy sticky thread.

Dear mike and other, i hope you all can fully understand my this idea plan main purpose. it can solve all both side situation and this mess. I hope epicnpc can consider it and or maybe enhance it.
If you continue BAN all and stick to this current rule now. I CAN SAID ALOT SELLER WILL DIE. IS WILL STOP AND CLOSEDOWN THEIR BUSINESS. Imagine seller like me full time selling game. Every month they need income for survive and for family. You just asking them do change job. You are Killing them right now.

We all is loyal seller loyal and many year at epicnpc. What i want is to see bigger picture. I hope to continue working at here for long term. Continue to support. Helping epicnpc to grow and become top 1. More traffic coming. This is what we want. Not like now killing each other or murdering all the seller.
TO BE HONEST, ALOT BUYER AND VISITOR COME HERE IS BECAUSE THEY LOOKING FOR CATALOG SELLER. Because they want to choose 100 diffrent variant kind of combo. Is because catalog seller we only able to bring more and more traffic come here.

I'd like to point out that not everyone sells accounts in the catalogs. In fact, most don't. They typically sell accounts they own and have access to. However, it's like you're monopolizing them. When you've a lot of reviews & no have access to the account you're selling which is basically prohibited, it's totally unfair. This is because catalog accounts pose no risk, time, or financial loss for the seller. I could easily replicate this approach by partnering with everyone, selling accounts without access, and listing them here. If others follow suit, we can expect widespread thread hijacking and duplicate thread violations. So as long as EpicNPC permits this rules, it's fair game. This rules basically gives to all sellers the green light to sell accounts without actually having access to them

 

[Futen]

@EpicNPC Of course you will not agree with my rules above, because you do not benefit at all ( Except sticky threads), All sellers will be on the same level as middleman, selling accounts without actually having access.

 

[bola gamer]

I'd like to point out that not everyone sells accounts in the catalogs. In fact, most don't. They typically sell accounts they own and have access to. However, it's like you're monopolizing them. When you've a lot of reviews & no have access to the account you're selling which is basically prohibited, it's totally unfair. This is because catalog accounts pose no risk, time, or financial loss for the seller. I could easily replicate this approach by partnering with everyone, selling accounts without access, and listing them here. If others follow suit, we can expect widespread thread hijacking and duplicate thread violations. So as long as EpicNPC permits this rules, it's fair game. This rules basically gives to all sellers the green light to sell accounts without actually having access to them

Let me point out and explain. Basically
Its is impossible if you ask all seller buy bulk account 100 account from supplier and sell. Did you know how mobile game account run? You need to do binding to transfer. So it mean you need prepare 100 gmail or email to bind the account.

Also did you know market that buy is prefer unlink account. They dont prefer account come with dummy gmail. And mostly this dummy gmail always have problem to access them. This is no practical.

Also i can said that actually is alot buy love and mainly come looking for any catalog combo and catalog account due variety. I because mostly mobile game seperate in few server. Come with many variety if SSR and combo. Hence each of buy had their own different combo. That why they look for a catalog. Catalog link is contain more than 1000 account. Full of variety. Is impossible u ask a seller simply random pick 100 account or.bulk purchase

 

[Futen]

Let me point out and explain. Basically
Its is impossible if you ask all seller buy bulk account 100 account from supplier and sell. Did you know how mobile game account run? You need to do binding to transfer. So it mean you need prepare 100 gmail or email to bind the account.

Also did you know market that buy is prefer unlink account. They dont prefer account come with dummy gmail. And mostly this dummy gmail always have problem to access them. This is no practical.

Also i can said that actually is alot buy love and mainly come looking for any catalog combo and catalog account due variety. I because mostly mobile game seperate in few server. Come with many variety if SSR and combo. Hence each of buy had their own different combo. That why they look for a catalog. Catalog link is contain more than 1000 account. Full of variety. Is impossible u ask a seller simply random pick 100 account or.bulk purchase

Your opinion is unreasonable, here the sellers selling their account casually, It's none of our business if your life depends on selling on this forum. If all the sellers who own their accounts and sell them, then disappear one by one , because you monopolize them, sticky threads is no longer needed, because there are fewer and fewer sellers

 

[bola gamer]

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@EpicNPC Of course you will not agree with my rules above, because you do not benefit at all ( Except sticky threads), All sellers will be on the same level as middleman, selling accounts without actually having access.

Yes. Also what i see now is.

At current now, at infront we use so many time to discuss, explain and even keep amend the rule. Epicnpc go strict super strict. Ban all. Remove all. Even controlling outside or people private chat. Is good. Because we want go clean and as u said implant a non catalog culture. You want only own access account have right to sell. YEAH. SOUND GOOD TO HEAR NOW.

But sadly let me tell you. So many rule and so strict as above, money settle the problem. So now the seller paid money buy sticky thread break all the rule. Who willing paid money can put 100 direct link inside can do what ever that want. So what the point early as above do so many rule and even outside banning sent catalog at discord? Money end it now. This is same as you reply in at your comment : money let seller permit to sell all with access the account. Is same

What i see now is more like money settle it. Who more rich who paid money settle the trouble. And end become sticky thread monopoly and this is the real monopolizing them as u mentioned just now. Money war. Real P2W now.

Hence that why i purpose my idea and plan for you all. An account upgrade lile.pro seller which able to have this permit. With my term and condition and rule i mention. This also will limit many seller to get it. So epicnpc wont keep getting so many new catalog seller coming. It save both side trouble.

Let me make you more understand what is so call catalog seller.
Catalog seller is a middleman or can consider own business..not a affiliate or none access account.

Seller provide their website store. Buyer click inside to choose their game then view the catalog. Please understand. The catalog dont have payment mode and nothing inside. Just 1000 plus account of choices. No other ads. Buy choose and screenshot then at the end also will come back to the seller. All payment and transferring done at seller website or discord. Buyer paid and seller only go take stock from supplier and do binding. For your information online business in this world all is run like this flow. Once the online product being booked or order. Seller wil go.to his so call supplier and take the stock and sent to them. You know amazon? All the seller at amazon.com only take the stock from their supplier when they receive order then only courier to them. This is how the online product business running. Is call as middleman or own business..Not a affiliate, none access account.

For the scammer, hijacking those issue you mentioned. Bro, it happen everywhere and any situation. Even you 100% delete all catalog middleman seller. Are you sure hijacking and scammer wont appear at those own account seller? This is should be blame on the security or buyer careless and awareness. You can take the blame to us. If like that amazon.com wont be wolrd.top 1 online business

 

[MGaming]

Yes. Also what i see now is.

At current now, at infront we use so many time to discuss, explain and even keep amend the rule. Epicnpc go strict super strict. Ban all. Remove all. Even controlling outside or people private chat. Is good. Because we want go clean and as u said implant a non catalog culture. You want only own access account have right to sell. YEAH. SOUND GOOD TO HEAR NOW.

But sadly let me tell you. So many rule and so strict as above, money settle the problem. So now the seller paid money buy sticky thread break all the rule. Who willing paid money can put 100 direct link inside can do what ever that want. So what the point early as above do so many rule and even outside banning sent catalog at discord? Money end it now. This is same as you reply in at your comment : money let seller permit to sell all with access the account. Is same

What i see now is more like money settle it. Who more rich who paid money settle the trouble. And end become sticky thread monopoly and this is the real monopolizing them as u mentioned just now. Money war. Real P2W now.

Hence that why i purpose my idea and plan for you all. An account upgrade lile.pro seller which able to have this permit. With my term and condition and rule i mention. This also will limit many seller to get it. So epicnpc wont keep getting so many new catalog seller coming. It save both side trouble.

Let me make you more understand what is so call catalog seller.
Catalog seller is a middleman or can consider own business..not a affiliate or none access account.

Seller provide their website store. Buyer click inside to choose their game then view the catalog. Please understand. The catalog dont have payment mode and nothing inside. Just 1000 plus account of choices. No other ads. Buy choose and screenshot then at the end also will come back to the seller. All payment and transferring done at seller website or discord. Buyer paid and seller only go take stock from supplier and do binding. For your information online business in this world all is run like this flow. Once the online product being booked or order. Seller wil go.to his so call supplier and take the stock and sent to them. You know amazon? All the seller at amazon.com only take the stock from their supplier when they receive order then only courier to them. This is how the online product business running. Is call as middleman or own business..Not a affiliate, none access account.

For the scammer, hijacking those issue you mentioned. Bro, it happen everywhere and any situation. Even you 100% delete all catalog middleman seller. Are you sure hijacking and scammer wont appear at those own account seller? This is should be blame on the security or buyer careless and awareness. You can take the blame to us. If like that amazon.com wont be wolrd.top 1 online business

tl;dr Catalog sellers can also be considered dropshippers, lol
Not much different to reseller/midman/whatever - in the end we/they're still proxies

 

[Futen]

Yes. Also what i see now is.

At current now, at infront we use so many time to discuss, explain and even keep amend the rule. Epicnpc go strict super strict. Ban all. Remove all. Even controlling outside or people private chat. Is good. Because we want go clean and as u said implant a non catalog culture. You want only own access account have right to sell. YEAH. SOUND GOOD TO HEAR NOW.

But sadly let me tell you. So many rule and so strict as above, money settle the problem. So now the seller paid money buy sticky thread break all the rule. Who willing paid money can put 100 direct link inside can do what ever that want. So what the point early as above do so many rule and even outside banning sent catalog at discord? Money end it now. This is same as you reply in at your comment : money let seller permit to sell all with access the account. Is same

What i see now is more like money settle it. Who more rich who paid money settle the trouble. And end become sticky thread monopoly and this is the real monopolizing them as u mentioned just now. Money war. Real P2W now.

Hence that why i purpose my idea and plan for you all. An account upgrade lile.pro seller which able to have this permit. With my term and condition and rule i mention. This also will limit many seller to get it. So epicnpc wont keep getting so many new catalog seller coming. It save both side trouble.

Let me make you more understand what is so call catalog seller.
Catalog seller is a middleman or can consider own business..not a affiliate or none access account.

Seller provide their website store. Buyer click inside to choose their game then view the catalog. Please understand. The catalog dont have payment mode and nothing inside. Just 1000 plus account of choices. No other ads. Buy choose and screenshot then at the end also will come back to the seller. All payment and transferring done at seller website or discord. Buyer paid and seller only go take stock from supplier and do binding. For your information online business in this world all is run like this flow. Once the online product being booked or order. Seller wil go.to his so call supplier and take the stock and sent to them. You know amazon? All the seller at amazon.com only take the stock from their supplier when they receive order then only courier to them. This is how the online product business running. Is call as middleman or own business..Not a affiliate, none access account.

For the scammer, hijacking those issue you mentioned. Bro, it happen everywhere and any situation. Even you 100% delete all catalog middleman seller. Are you sure hijacking and scammer wont appear at those own account seller? This is should be blame on the security or buyer careless and awareness. You can take the blame to us. If like that amazon.com wont be wolrd.top 1 online business

It's likely that you'll not only monopolize the market but also push out all middleman here. By positioning yourself as a central capitalism/authority, you may eventually create your own website, potentially eclipsing EpicNPC in popularity. I intend this as a compliment you know, as it's a plausible scenario. As the number of small sellers decreases and only large sellers remain, middleman here will left because they're rarely needed. Without them, large sellers may feel more inclined to engage in scams, such as false advertising. When EpicNPC issues warnings, you may decide to launch your own website.

 

[bola gamer]

It's likely that you'll not only monopolize the market but also push out all middleman here. By positioning yourself as a central capitalism/authority, you may eventually create your own website, potentially eclipsing EpicNPC in popularity. I intend this as a compliment you know, as it's a plausible scenario. As the number of small sellers decreases and only large sellers remain, middleman here will left because they're rarely needed. Without them, large sellers may feel more inclined to engage in scams, such as false advertising. When EpicNPC issues warnings, you may decide to launch your own website.

i just sharing out opinion. No offense. sorry for any misunderstanding ya

 

[Gachamacha]

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Hiya Mike @EpicNPC, mods, and fellow sellers,

I’m one of the smaller sellers who are affected by the rule. After reading through the forum discussions, I wanted to share my two cents on this topic. I’ll do my best to remain as unbiased as possible.

From what I’ve seen, I genuinely believe that Mike wants to create the best experience for buyers. At the same time, I agree with many of the points raised by different mods/sellers, especially @Taki. This discussion seems to have turned into a "you say, I say, you think, I think" kind of debate, so I encourage everyone to take a step back and consider all perspectives.

TL;DR of the issue:​

The core issue revolves around EpicNPC’s new rule banning catalog links, which sellers and moderators argue will negatively impact business and create a monopoly for larger sellers.

Admin’s Perspective (Mike's) – @EpicNPC (correct me if anything is off)​

• Catalog links function similarly to affiliate/referral links, which the platform has historically banned.
• Too many sellers are using the same catalogs, leading to repetitive listings and a poor buyer experience.
• Some sellers avoid detection by directing buyers to external platforms (e.g., Discord) to share catalogs.
• The goal is for sellers to either maintain their own inventory or have unique catalog pages per reseller.

Sellers’ Perspective (Based on discussions from mods/sellers, which I fully agree with)​

• Catalogs are not affiliate/referral links since resellers complete the transactions themselves.
• Forcing sellers to maintain their own stock is impractical and inefficient, given the large volume of available accounts.
• The proposed solutions (requiring sellers to maintain individual catalogs) don’t actually solve the issue—the same accounts will still be listed.
• Banning catalog links creates an unfair monopoly for larger sellers who can afford paid advertising, potentially allowing them to charge even higher margins, which could exploit newer buyers.

Buyers’ Perspective (I’m not a buyer, but from experience, here’s what they say about catalog)​

* FOR Catalog Links:

• Buyers want a convenient way to browse available accounts.
• A complete ban makes it harder for them to efficiently find what they want.

AGAINST Catalog Links:

• Catalog not having pricing makes it less convenient for buyers to shop
• The same account from the same catalog having different prices means they have to ask a few before deciding to purchase an account (IMPORTANT: If smaller sellers are blocked from catalogs, big sellers with sticky threads will dominate, driving up prices and reducing competition.)

I’ve never heard buyers complain that “too many sellers listing the same catalog creates redundancy and confusion.” If anyone has encountered this, please share your experience. Instead of banning catalogs, wouldn’t it be better to improve how they work?

Proposed Middle-Ground Solutions​

1. Ban Catalog Links on EpicNPC, But Allow External Communication​

Currently, Rule #3 states:
"Redirecting users to other chats (Discord, Telegram, etc.) for the purpose of promoting these types of links is also prohibited."

I believe a better middle-ground solution is to remove this restriction while keeping the rest intact. This would:

1. Prevent spam on EpicNPC caused by excessive catalog links.
2. Still allow buyers to choose whether they want to use a catalog, as many actually prefer it for its ease of use (filtering by character, server, etc.).
3. Be fairer for all sellers instead of only benefiting those who can afford paid ads.

also am thinking why not run a poll to let buyers vote on whether they want this change? That way, we can get data-driven feedback instead of just debating opinions.

2. Require Transparent Disclosure from Resellers​

I’m very transparent about being a reseller, and many of my customers are completely fine with it.

• Holding stock increases risk, which leads to higher markups.
• Most customers would rather have a reseller “drop-ship” an account if it means a better deal.
• From a buyer’s POV, as long as they get the account as advertised, they’re happy.

If transparency is the concern, why not require sellers to clearly disclose whether they are resellers or direct sellers? (I believe this feature already exists, but perhaps it could be made more prominent.) That would solve the problem without banning catalogs altogether.

3. Differentiate Paid Ads from General Listings​

• Paid ads should still be allowed to feature direct links since they support the platform financially.
• However, regular sellers should not be penalized if a customer specifically asks for a catalog account.

Use Cases Where Catalogs Are Helpful:​

1. Price Comparison – A buyer wants the same account from the same catalog but at a better price.
2. First-Time Buyers – A buyer is new and wants the easiest way to browse accounts.

I’m not a huge fan of paid ads getting special treatment, but I get that they help keep the platform running. That said, regular sellers shouldn’t be punished simply because buyers prefer a catalog format.

Final Thoughts​

The outright ban on catalog links is bit too extreme, as it heavily favors large sellers while harming both smaller sellers and buyers. The real problem is spam, and that can be fixed without killing off catalogs entirely.

A better approach imo would be to:
* Ban catalog spam on EpicNPC, but allow external communication.
* Require transparency from resellers instead of banning catalogs.
* Differentiate paid ads from general listings fairly.

Would love to hear thoughts from @EpicNPC , the mods, and fellow sellers on this. I thought that If we’re making changes that affect the entire marketplace, it’s only fair to let buyers have a say as well.
At the end of the day, we must abide by the platform’s rules, even if we strongly disagree. But please reconsider this decision before finalizing it.

 

[bola gamer]

Hiya Mike @EpicNPC, mods, and fellow sellers,

I’m one of the smaller sellers who are affected by the rule. After reading through the forum discussions, I wanted to share my two cents on this topic. I’ll do my best to remain as unbiased as possible.

From what I’ve seen, I genuinely believe that Mike wants to create the best experience for buyers. At the same time, I agree with many of the points raised by different mods/sellers, especially @Taki. This discussion seems to have turned into a "you say, I say, you think, I think" kind of debate, so I encourage everyone to take a step back and consider all perspectives.

TL;DR of the issue:​

The core issue revolves around EpicNPC’s new rule banning catalog links, which sellers and moderators argue will negatively impact business and create a monopoly for larger sellers.

Admin’s Perspective (Mike's) – @EpicNPC (correct me if anything is off)​

• Catalog links function similarly to affiliate/referral links, which the platform has historically banned.
• Too many sellers are using the same catalogs, leading to repetitive listings and a poor buyer experience.
• Some sellers avoid detection by directing buyers to external platforms (e.g., Discord) to share catalogs.
• The goal is for sellers to either maintain their own inventory or have unique catalog pages per reseller.

Sellers’ Perspective (Based on discussions from mods/sellers, which I fully agree with)​

• Catalogs are not affiliate/referral links since resellers complete the transactions themselves.
• Forcing sellers to maintain their own stock is impractical and inefficient, given the large volume of available accounts.
• The proposed solutions (requiring sellers to maintain individual catalogs) don’t actually solve the issue—the same accounts will still be listed.
• Banning catalog links creates an unfair monopoly for larger sellers who can afford paid advertising, potentially allowing them to charge even higher margins, which could exploit newer buyers.

Buyers’ Perspective (I’m not a buyer, but from experience, here’s what they say about catalog)​

* FOR Catalog Links:

• Buyers want a convenient way to browse available accounts.
• A complete ban makes it harder for them to efficiently find what they want.

AGAINST Catalog Links:

• Catalog not having pricing makes it less convenient for buyers to shop
• The same account from the same catalog having different prices means they have to ask a few before deciding to purchase an account (IMPORTANT: If smaller sellers are blocked from catalogs, big sellers with sticky threads will dominate, driving up prices and reducing competition.)

I’ve never heard buyers complain that “too many sellers listing the same catalog creates redundancy and confusion.” If anyone has encountered this, please share your experience. Instead of banning catalogs, wouldn’t it be better to improve how they work?

Proposed Middle-Ground Solutions​

1. Ban Catalog Links on EpicNPC, But Allow External Communication​

Currently, Rule #3 states:
"Redirecting users to other chats (Discord, Telegram, etc.) for the purpose of promoting these types of links is also prohibited."

I believe a better middle-ground solution is to remove this restriction while keeping the rest intact. This would:

1. Prevent spam on EpicNPC caused by excessive catalog links.
2. Still allow buyers to choose whether they want to use a catalog, as many actually prefer it for its ease of use (filtering by character, server, etc.).
3. Be fairer for all sellers instead of only benefiting those who can afford paid ads.

also am thinking why not run a poll to let buyers vote on whether they want this change? That way, we can get data-driven feedback instead of just debating opinions.

2. Require Transparent Disclosure from Resellers​

I’m very transparent about being a reseller, and many of my customers are completely fine with it.

• Holding stock increases risk, which leads to higher markups.
• Most customers would rather have a reseller “drop-ship” an account if it means a better deal.
• From a buyer’s POV, as long as they get the account as advertised, they’re happy.

If transparency is the concern, why not require sellers to clearly disclose whether they are resellers or direct sellers? (I believe this feature already exists, but perhaps it could be made more prominent.) That would solve the problem without banning catalogs altogether.

3. Differentiate Paid Ads from General Listings​

• Paid ads should still be allowed to feature direct links since they support the platform financially.
• However, regular sellers should not be penalized if a customer specifically asks for a catalog account.

Use Cases Where Catalogs Are Helpful:​

1. Price Comparison – A buyer wants the same account from the same catalog but at a better price.
2. First-Time Buyers – A buyer is new and wants the easiest way to browse accounts.

I’m not a huge fan of paid ads getting special treatment, but I get that they help keep the platform running. That said, regular sellers shouldn’t be punished simply because buyers prefer a catalog format.

Final Thoughts​

The outright ban on catalog links is bit too extreme, as it heavily favors large sellers while harming both smaller sellers and buyers. The real problem is spam, and that can be fixed without killing off catalogs entirely.

A better approach imo would be to:
* Ban catalog spam on EpicNPC, but allow external communication.
* Require transparency from resellers instead of banning catalogs.
* Differentiate paid ads from general listings fairly.

Would love to hear thoughts from @EpicNPC , the mods, and fellow sellers on this. I thought that If we’re making changes that affect the entire marketplace, it’s only fair to let buyers have a say as well.
At the end of the day, we must abide by the platform’s rules, even if we strongly disagree. But please reconsider this decision before finalizing it.

awesome. you talk exactly what deep in my heart. very agree. thanks for the sharing

 

[bola gamer]

Lastly, I had came up some good idea and plan to solve this mess and problem.
Dear mike, i hope you can consider my idea and plan for this solution.

1. Maybe epicnpc can create a plan - example like an upgrade account for seller.
When the seller buy and upgrade this account. There allow to share his website link. (Only their own real store website).
The term and condition is the website at least got sell some other kind of product is consider allow because at least not 100% purely direct link website.
Google doc or word file is not allow.

OK then the flow is like this.
Maybe once the seller buy this upgrade account. They maybe have right to post MAX 20-30 maybe for their normal thread for sharing their own website link store.
Price maybe you can set 200 USD/ 250 USD? or 150$ maybe. this can adjust.

Ok then let me explain the benefit.
Example if you set 200 USD for per month for this upgrade account. so seller can post max 30 or 20 normal thread buy sharing his website link or you so call as catalog link.
This will able can success full limit the catalog seller floaded in your market place. Because not every seller will able to buy this plan or willing to buy this plan.
What i know is all the while doing violation, finding loophole is those new seller, low rate seller or less reputation seller. So they will buying this kind of plan. And most importantly only those LOYAL SELLER, REAL SELLER, HIGH REPUTATION SELLER, REALLY GOT HEART WANTED TO DO BUSINESSS AT HERE will buy this kind of plan.

So this idea can help you mike limit and reduce all the catalog seller, PLUS EPICNPC ABLE TO EARN MORE INCOME on this plan.
example 200 USD per month for 1 seller. If you got 10 seller buy this upgrade account
10x 200 = 2000 USD.
If you want limit more seller buy this, You can set the plan must purchase straight away for 3 month. if buy must buy 3 month. Not allow to renew monthly.
Beside that you can ADD ANOTHER TERM AND CONDITION:
example only seller with minimum 300 feedback or account created more than 2 or 3 year ONLY ABLE VALID TO BUY THIS UPGRADE ACCOUNT.
This also can reduce and minus all the new catalog seller keep coming in. So you will reduce the catalog seller. Wont floated your forum.
so is a WIN WIN situation. catalog seller can limit it. those violation and low reputation catalog seller can reduce. At end you will only gain the loyal and real heart seller at here like ME like US. plus you able to earn more extra income for epicnpc.

Beside that, seller who buying this plan you have right to post MAX 20-30 maybe for their normal thread. So they can apply this license on his normal thread. And because mobile game always having alot of new game coming. Old game if too old may dead. So i feel the seller once buy this plan is apply to remove and change the license on his thread. Mean he had 30x license to apply on his thread. He can remove and add into other new thread so those seller wont forever only hugging this 20x SAME thread.

As once this up. i know you all sure ask about sticky thread issue. NO WORRY.
What is sticky thread main job in forum?
sticky thread main purpose is to highlight and forever stick at the top so buyer or and visiter can see them their thread first.
so sticky thread can remain stay at top and also CONTINUE REMAIN ALL EXCEPTION ON ALL THE RULE AND CATALOG LINK. No change.,

those upgrade account plan only for apply license to normal thread buy sharing the seller website store which inside contain so call as catalog referral / affiliate. Is just a tool of license to apply it. But the thread remain will goes to page 2 page 3 page 4. Seller who want his thread at top and remain number 1 can continue buy sticky thread.

Dear mike and other, i hope you all can fully understand my this idea plan main purpose. it can solve all both side situation and this mess. I hope epicnpc can consider it and or maybe enhance it.
If you continue BAN all and stick to this current rule now. I CAN SAID ALOT SELLER WILL DIE. IS WILL STOP AND CLOSEDOWN THEIR BUSINESS. Imagine seller like me full time selling game. Every month they need income for survive and for family. You just asking them do change job. You are Killing them right now.

We all is loyal seller loyal and many year at epicnpc. What i want is to see bigger picture. I hope to continue working at here for long term. Continue to support. Helping epicnpc to grow and become top 1. More traffic coming. This is what we want. Not like now killing each other or murdering all the seller.
TO BE HONEST, ALOT BUYER AND VISITOR COME HERE IS BECAUSE THEY LOOKING FOR CATALOG SELLER. Because they want to choose 100 diffrent variant kind of combo. Is because catalog seller we only able to bring more and more traffic come here.

@MissCL @EpicNPC
that why i purposing and sharing this idea also

 

[alvinZ]

seems like this new rule is focused to reduce dropshippers.
maybe adding sticky thread limit would be a good idea
and to avoid monopoly, adding some rules would be necessary. such as 1 sticky thread per user.
imagine if there's a new game, then 1 person buy all sticky thread slots for 1 year. then it means only that person can sell those catalog links.

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[Futen]

Hiya Mike @EpicNPC, mods, and fellow sellers,

I’m one of the smaller sellers who are affected by the rule. After reading through the forum discussions, I wanted to share my two cents on this topic. I’ll do my best to remain as unbiased as possible.

From what I’ve seen, I genuinely believe that Mike wants to create the best experience for buyers. At the same time, I agree with many of the points raised by different mods/sellers, especially @Taki. This discussion seems to have turned into a "you say, I say, you think, I think" kind of debate, so I encourage everyone to take a step back and consider all perspectives.

TL;DR of the issue:​

The core issue revolves around EpicNPC’s new rule banning catalog links, which sellers and moderators argue will negatively impact business and create a monopoly for larger sellers.

Admin’s Perspective (Mike's) – @EpicNPC (correct me if anything is off)​

• Catalog links function similarly to affiliate/referral links, which the platform has historically banned.
• Too many sellers are using the same catalogs, leading to repetitive listings and a poor buyer experience.
• Some sellers avoid detection by directing buyers to external platforms (e.g., Discord) to share catalogs.
• The goal is for sellers to either maintain their own inventory or have unique catalog pages per reseller.

Sellers’ Perspective (Based on discussions from mods/sellers, which I fully agree with)​

• Catalogs are not affiliate/referral links since resellers complete the transactions themselves.
• Forcing sellers to maintain their own stock is impractical and inefficient, given the large volume of available accounts.
• The proposed solutions (requiring sellers to maintain individual catalogs) don’t actually solve the issue—the same accounts will still be listed.
• Banning catalog links creates an unfair monopoly for larger sellers who can afford paid advertising, potentially allowing them to charge even higher margins, which could exploit newer buyers.

Buyers’ Perspective (I’m not a buyer, but from experience, here’s what they say about catalog)​

* FOR Catalog Links:

• Buyers want a convenient way to browse available accounts.
• A complete ban makes it harder for them to efficiently find what they want.

AGAINST Catalog Links:

• Catalog not having pricing makes it less convenient for buyers to shop
• The same account from the same catalog having different prices means they have to ask a few before deciding to purchase an account (IMPORTANT: If smaller sellers are blocked from catalogs, big sellers with sticky threads will dominate, driving up prices and reducing competition.)

I’ve never heard buyers complain that “too many sellers listing the same catalog creates redundancy and confusion.” If anyone has encountered this, please share your experience. Instead of banning catalogs, wouldn’t it be better to improve how they work?

Proposed Middle-Ground Solutions​

1. Ban Catalog Links on EpicNPC, But Allow External Communication​

Currently, Rule #3 states:
"Redirecting users to other chats (Discord, Telegram, etc.) for the purpose of promoting these types of links is also prohibited."

I believe a better middle-ground solution is to remove this restriction while keeping the rest intact. This would:

1. Prevent spam on EpicNPC caused by excessive catalog links.
2. Still allow buyers to choose whether they want to use a catalog, as many actually prefer it for its ease of use (filtering by character, server, etc.).
3. Be fairer for all sellers instead of only benefiting those who can afford paid ads.

also am thinking why not run a poll to let buyers vote on whether they want this change? That way, we can get data-driven feedback instead of just debating opinions.

2. Require Transparent Disclosure from Resellers​

I’m very transparent about being a reseller, and many of my customers are completely fine with it.

• Holding stock increases risk, which leads to higher markups.
• Most customers would rather have a reseller “drop-ship” an account if it means a better deal.
• From a buyer’s POV, as long as they get the account as advertised, they’re happy.

If transparency is the concern, why not require sellers to clearly disclose whether they are resellers or direct sellers? (I believe this feature already exists, but perhaps it could be made more prominent.) That would solve the problem without banning catalogs altogether.

3. Differentiate Paid Ads from General Listings​

• Paid ads should still be allowed to feature direct links since they support the platform financially.
• However, regular sellers should not be penalized if a customer specifically asks for a catalog account.

Use Cases Where Catalogs Are Helpful:​

1. Price Comparison – A buyer wants the same account from the same catalog but at a better price.
2. First-Time Buyers – A buyer is new and wants the easiest way to browse accounts.

I’m not a huge fan of paid ads getting special treatment, but I get that they help keep the platform running. That said, regular sellers shouldn’t be punished simply because buyers prefer a catalog format.

Final Thoughts​

The outright ban on catalog links is bit too extreme, as it heavily favors large sellers while harming both smaller sellers and buyers. The real problem is spam, and that can be fixed without killing off catalogs entirely.

A better approach imo would be to:
* Ban catalog spam on EpicNPC, but allow external communication.
* Require transparency from resellers instead of banning catalogs.
* Differentiate paid ads from general listings fairly.

Would love to hear thoughts from @EpicNPC , the mods, and fellow sellers on this. I thought that If we’re making changes that affect the entire marketplace, it’s only fair to let buyers have a say as well.
At the end of the day, we must abide by the platform’s rules, even if we strongly disagree. But please reconsider this decision before finalizing it.

The issue here isn't just about catalog links. There's a bigger problem: Sellers don't even have access to the accounts they're selling. Some mods have been reported for using catalog links and have lost their mod status. Even with sticky threads, selling accounts without access remains a violation. Most users comply with the rules, while those who violate them face a 30 day ban.

As Mike mentioned earlier, the problem isn't just about catalog links, but rather about sellers who don't have access to the accounts they're selling. If EpicNPC allows sellers to sell accounts without having access to them, it would be a significant change, as all sellers here would likely follow suit.

 

[MGaming]

The issue here isn't just about catalog links. There's a bigger problem: Sellers don't even have access to the accounts they're selling. Some mods have been reported for using catalog links and have lost their mod status. Even with sticky threads, selling accounts without access remains a violation. Most users comply with the rules, while those who violate them face a 30 day ban.

As Mike mentioned earlier, the problem isn't just about catalog links, but rather about sellers who don't have access to the accounts they're selling. If EpicNPC allows sellers to sell accounts without having access to them, it would be a significant change, as all sellers here would likely follow suit.

I never heard about mod losing their mod status from selling catalog yet. Easiest example is again, SetsunaEpic. Guy has been a local mod for years (and using catalogs for years) lol

And to be honest - I'm pretty sure some people do that actually (even without catalog).
I have a feeling a couple people back then doing it - nobody will really know unless they are contacted and they gave signs or statements about it.

I feel it mostly happen for whale accounts though. Because the case becomes the same like catalog - high risk (for seller) if taking it as stock (as it may not sell or bought too expensive).
Just take screenshots from outside EpicNPC and voila, they have "account screenshots".
(This isn't just for scammers but also resellers)

 

[Gachamacha]

The issue here isn't just about catalog links. There's a bigger problem: Sellers don't even have access to the accounts they're selling.

Sorry nub question, why is this a problem if seller could deliver the account to the buyer within promised time and resulting in happy buyer, happy seller outcome?

Some mods have been reported for using catalog links and have lost their mod status.

How does using catalog link cause someone to lose their mod status? is there a scam modus operandi going on that we are not aware of?

 

[Futen]

I never heard about mod losing their mod status from selling catalog yet. Easiest example is again, SetsunaEpic. Guy has been a local mod for years (and using catalogs for years) lol

And to be honest - I'm pretty sure some people do that actually (even without catalog).
I have a feeling a couple people back then doing it - nobody will really know unless they are contacted and they gave signs or statements about it.

I feel it mostly happen for whale accounts though. Because the case becomes the same like catalog - high risk (for seller) if taking it as stock (as it may not sell or bought too expensive).
Just take screenshots from outside EpicNPC and voila, they have "account screenshots".
(This isn't just for scammers but also resellers)

You never heard of it because it wasn't announced, this is an example, I found out because I got a report, then it was handled by Epicnpc

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[MGaming]

You never heard of it because it wasn't announced, this is an example, I found out because I got a report, then it was handled by Epicnpc

Tuesday huh, so that was prior to this announcement.
Wonder who it is, not like I know who it might be lol

 

[MGaming]

Actually, @EpicNPC you haven't changed both of the rules above. It's conflicting with the new rules.

 

[Futen]

How does using catalog link cause someone to lose their mod status? is there a scam modus operandi going on that we are not aware of?

It's in the rules, Catalog links are only allowed if using a sticky thread,
Sec violation, he doesn't have access to the account he's selling

 

[Gachamacha]

It's in the rules, Catalog links are only allowed if using a sticky thread,

Understood, this is the “What”, but we are not too sure is the “Why”? Why do we even set up such a rule in the first place? Is it to avoid spam? Yes? But at what cost? Encouraging monopolistic behaviour from bigger sellers to purchase all sticky threads, so they could continue to sell “without having access to the accounts”? So purchasing sticky threads is no longer just about having better visibility but it’s also having the right to break rules? I understand that we want to encourage seller to spend on the platform, but there has to be guardrails for this kind of decision, we need to see not only the good it will bring us but the possible bad too no?

 

[Futen]

Understood, this is the “What”, but we are not too sure is the “Why”? Why do we even set up such a rule in the first place? Is it to avoid spam? Yes? But at what cost? Encouraging monopolistic behaviour from bigger sellers to purchase all sticky threads, so they could continue to sell “without having access to the accounts”? So purchasing sticky threads is no longer just about having better visibility but it’s also having the right to break rules? I understand that we want to encourage seller to spend on the platform, but there has to be guardrails for this kind of decision, we need to see not only the good it will bring us but the possible bad too no?

"The rules ( catalog links ) don't explicitly state that not having access to the account is allowed, even with a sticky thread. This is also part of what we're discussing."

 

[Tony and Friends]

ok so as i understand its about accounts selling
spreadsheet links with detailed boosting prices as i have is allowed

 

[bola gamer]

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Hi, Sorry
I just have some noob question and want to double confirm.
Since Paid advertising remains an exception to these rules.
Sticky thread is able to share own website store, direct link and even have right to sent catalog to buyer at other chats (Discord, Telegram, etc.)

1. So example let said the seller bought some few sticky thread.
2. Hence can the seller share these sticky thread link at his normal thread? I mean the seller insert those sticky thread link and ask buyer to click if want for more combo request.
Because i read rule there is allow to share own sticky thread link, since sticky thread link is not consider any advertising website. referral or affiliate.

So when buyer visit the seller normal thread, they click into his sticky thread link.
Once buyer goes into the sticky thread, they may click inside his web store, add his discord for more combo account request. Hence can i assume the seller is allow to sent catalog to them or let them visit his web store? Because buyer now is inside sticky thread and protected by the exception rules.

Not very sure about this, so just curious for asking and double confirm.

 

[PELOQ]

@EpicNPC can I ask if it’s okay to post the following: asking the buyers to contact us with exactly what they need (what units/cards they need for example epic 7 account with 3 ml Luna Pilitis and Ainz) and we provide that account.. no external links are needed for this.. and I don’t see any violation.. or sending buyers “unnecessary links”. What I am trying to explain here is that all buyers have direct access to their account and can fulfill this simple transaction if they don’t have the desire combo they will just inform the buyer before they send the payment and the buyer is free to contact any seller without looking at the same affiliate links/catalogs which is the main issue. If this is not even allowed then this will become extremely difficult to sell for us as stated above it’s like a monopoly if you don’t have a sticky thread you will not sell it’s extremely difficult to post 100 combos on just a basic site with each price screenshots and etc just for 1 game since we have to post for over 30-50 games some of us, is not even profitable to consider the time to do this just for 1 game as the buyers or meta changes drastically every day. Hope I get a response