69 | Scam

[Ante]

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Information
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I sold a Bot Developer Badge account on June 17th to @setings trought paypal.
The problems started after a few hours on the same day
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): Discord
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: Offset#0001 ID: 774645254665535488
Your Instant Messenger ID: Ante#7516 (ID 796540219956002816)

DISPUTE Information
###############

I will try to explain in as much detail as possible to allow you to understand what happened.
I want to clarify that I have saved all the evidence I found and that I will attach here. Also, the conversation with the buyer was done FULLY via private messages, so it can be controlled by an ADMIN.
I have also attached all the evidence in private messages, which I will also attach in the dispute.


INTRO
I received the first messages from the buyer, on June 2nd, asking if I had any discord accounts available for sale (Early supperter and Early Bot Developer Badge).

I didn't respond initially, as I didn't have any available accounts.
Although I didn't answer, he continued to write to me, asking about these accounts.

the user was eager to buy and when I had an account the way he wanted it, I was happy to sell it to him (early supporter sold to him on 16th / 17th June). Payment received successfully and account delivered. Feedback exchanged.

After a few hours, the user contacts me, saying he has a problem with the payment method, as he is unable to renew his subscription.

The user had entered a nitro subscription within the account and associated a paypal account. Furthermore, it seemed that the problem was born from the fact that the subscription was active from the google account and that it reported as an expiration date, an earlier date (June 13), so it seemed to be a system bug

I explained to the user that this could be a discord bug and that it would probably fix itself and that if he wanted, I could take back the account and refund it.

The buyer prefers to be reimbursed.
I refund it and I get my account back and after a few minutes I fix the problem (I only needed to add a payment method and remove it to fix the problem.)

After I notified the buyer, the buyer decided to BUY it again.

The user sends the money back to me and I give the account back. all solved

When finished, the user kept asking if I had a bot developer badge account to sell.
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1ST PART
17th June

On this day, I get a message from a seller who wants to sell me a Bot Developer Badge at a discounted price. What luck right?

ToggleMonster#0002 ID: 853736897125154826

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This is the entire conversation with the seller who sold me the account. I also attached the ID code of the account that sold me in paypal payment (sent via good and services)

After this, I contacted the buyer @setings

I tell the buyer that I have the account they want. He tells me he wants to buy it. I receive the money and give it to him. Everything is OK.
(If required I can also attach any conversation that is currently in my epicnpc's DM)

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2ND PART
(Unfortunately I will not be able to add more photos because I have reached the limit of 40 images, but I will be happy to add them in the comments.)

After a few hours, the user contacts me and asks for a refund because he claims that the account is stolen.
https://prnt.sc/15u2zuz

I ask him for proof and he claims that his friend "hacked the account previously", which was subsequently stolen by a third person and then sold to me.
https://prnt.sc/15u3hg1 - https://prnt.sc/15u3rd5

I proposed to refund the buyer and take the account back. This way, I could open a paypal dispute (already open) and return the account I bought to the seller who sold it to me.

I delved into this story and found that:
They all know each other (they are French guys) and are part of a Discord server that deals with phishing.

Also, I also found that beyond that, they have contacts with @bored (already banned on epicnpc). https://prnt.sc/15u4qls

They are part of the same group. In their same group I also found an account of an impersonator, pretending to be me with the same tag and nickname (with different letters.) This account is also part of their pishing server and is also part of their private conversation. https://prnt.sc/15u460q
(I was invited today when I asked by @setings in the group. Red is the impersonator. Green is me.)

I have 95% of the messages in my inbox. The administrator can read the entire conversation with the user.

User @setings said he knows nothing, yet he is part of the same group as these people.




@setings explain what happened here please.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

Information
###############
I sold a Bot Developer Badge account on June 17th to @setings trought paypal.
The problems started after a few hours on the same day
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): Discord
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: Offset#0001 ID: 774645254665535488
Your Instant Messenger ID: Ante#7516 (ID 796540219956002816)

DISPUTE Information
###############

I will try to explain in as much detail as possible to allow you to understand what happened.
I want to clarify that I have saved all the evidence I found and that I will attach here. Also, the conversation with the buyer was done FULLY via private messages, so it can be controlled by an ADMIN.
I have also attached all the evidence in private messages, which I will also attach in the dispute.


INTRO
I received the first messages from the buyer, on June 2nd, asking if I had any discord accounts available for sale (Early supperter and Early Bot Developer Badge).

I didn't respond initially, as I didn't have any available accounts.
Although I didn't answer, he continued to write to me, asking about these accounts.

the user was eager to buy and when I had an account the way he wanted it, I was happy to sell it to him (early supporter sold to him on 16th / 17th June). Payment received successfully and account delivered. Feedback exchanged.

After a few hours, the user contacts me, saying he has a problem with the payment method, as he is unable to renew his subscription.


The user had entered a nitro subscription within the account and associated a paypal account. Furthermore, it seemed that the problem was born from the fact that the subscription was active from the google account and that it reported as an expiration date, an earlier date (June 13), so it seemed to be a system bug

I explained to the user that this could be a discord bug and that it would probably fix itself and that if he wanted, I could take back the account and refund it.

The buyer prefers to be reimbursed.
I refund it and I get my account back and after a few minutes I fix the problem (I only needed to add a payment method and remove it to fix the problem.)

After I notified the buyer, the buyer decided to BUY it again.

The user sends the money back to me and I give the account back. all solved

Une fois terminé, l'utilisateur n'arrêtait pas de me demander si j'avais un compte de badge de développeur de bot à vendre.
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1ÈRE PARTIE
17 juin

Ce jour-là, je reçois un message d'un vendeur qui souhaite me vendre un badge de développeur de robots à un prix réduit. Quelle chance non ?
ToggleMonster#0002 ID: 853736897125154826

C'est toute la conversation avec le vendeur qui m'a vendu le compte. J'ai également joint le code d'identification du compte qui m'a vendu en paiement paypal (envoyé via good and services)

Après cela, j'ai contacté l'acheteur @setings


Je dis à l'acheteur que j'ai le compte qu'il veut. Il me dit qu'il veut l'acheter. Je reçois l'argent et le lui donne. Tout va bien.
(Si nécessaire, je peux également joindre n'importe quelle conversation actuellement dans le DM de mon epicnpc)

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2ÈME PARTIE
(Malheureusement je ne pourrai pas ajouter plus de photos car j'ai atteint la limite de 40 images, mais je serai ravie de les ajouter dans les commentaires.)

Après quelques heures, l'utilisateur me contacte et demande un remboursement car il prétend que le compte est volé.
https://prnt.sc/15u2zuz

Je lui demande des preuves et il prétend que son ami "a piraté le compte auparavant", qui a ensuite été volé par une tierce personne puis m'a été vendu.
https://prnt.sc/15u3hg1 - https://prnt.sc/15u3rd5

J'ai proposé de rembourser l'acheteur et de reprendre le compte. De cette façon, j'ai pu ouvrir un litige paypal (déjà ouvert) et rendre le compte que j'ai acheté au vendeur qui me l'a vendu.

J'ai fouillé dans cette histoire et j'ai trouvé que:
Ils se connaissent tous (ce sont des Français) et font partie d'un serveur Discord qui s'occupe du phishing.

Aussi, j'ai aussi trouvé qu'au-delà de ça, ils ont des contacts avec @bored (déjà interdit sur epicnpc). https://prnt.sc/15u4qls

Ils font partie du même groupe. Dans leur même groupe, j'ai également trouvé un compte d'imitateur, se faisant passer pour moi avec le même tag et surnom (avec des lettres différentes.) Ce compte fait également partie de leur serveur de pishing et fait également partie de leur conversation privée. https://prnt.sc/15u460q
(J'ai été invité aujourd'hui lorsque j'ai demandé par @setings dans le groupe. Le rouge est l'imitateur. Le vert est moi.)

J'ai 95% des messages dans ma boîte de réception. L'administrateur peut lire l'intégralité de la conversation avec l'utilisateur.

L'utilisateur @setings a déclaré qu'il ne savait rien, mais qu'il faisait partie du même groupe que ces personnes.




@setings expliquez ce qui s'est passé ici, s'il vous plaît.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

Hello, Ante sold me a badge to develop account, I realized that the account was stolen because my friend had basically stolen it and it was stolen by the software creator. then Ante sold it to me, I quickly realized that it was a steal account, I ask him for a refund and he opens a procedure for no refund? is this normal?

 

[Ante]

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https://prnt.sc/15u3hg1 - https://prnt.sc/15u3rd5
Here you have explicitly said that your friend previously stole the account, so you are aware that he is a scammer. Can I ask why you gave him access to the account then?

I told you yesterday that today I would take the account back and refund you. later I would use the account to get a refund with paypal.

I asked you not to use the account until the replacement and you said "ok"

Then later you said you were going to sleep.

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Your friend, the one you claim hacked into the account, sent me this screenshot, showing that he is using the account with the Bot Developer Badge I sold you.

Only staff can view this content.

I want to clarify, that I don't know his friend, but I asked him for clarification yesterday, after @setings added me to their discord group.

I asked you what this was and you said that actually, the screenshot was yours. Yet when I asked you for proof, you told me you had deleted the screenshot.

Weren't you asleep at that time?

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

Here is your account seller, he sold you a stolen account and you sold it to me later without knowing it except that no luck I'm aware of it and I ask for a refund

 

[setings]

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Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

you can see that Toggle Monster manages a site / discord server which allows to hack accounts !!

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

I prefer to give you the account and that you return the money to me and that you see with your salesman.

 

[setings]

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Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

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Here is the discord from the owner of the account you sold me, and he clearly told me that he had sent a discord email, so a hacked account ...

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

it's in French but it's clearly the owner of the account

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[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

I very clearly want a refund, I don't want to lose $ 225 knowing that I know very well how he got the toggle monster account

 

[Ante]

The real problem is that you seem to know each other already.
After you asked me to sell you a specific account, a seller came and sold it to me at a bargain price.
I sold it to you, and a few hours later you contacted me, saying that the account was hacked by your friend.

At this point, another person steals it from your friend and sells it to me?

You understand that this is a really weird circumstance.

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firstly, i offered you a full refund for it. I would have taken the account back and sent you the money, as I am responsible for the sale, and if you are not satisfied it is my concern to oblige.

If I have opened a dispute today, it is because I have collected some material that makes me think that you are part of their group, and that you are fully aware of this.

If not, I will be happy to refund you.

 

[Ante]

https://prnt.sc/15u3hg1 - https://prnt.sc/15u3rd5
Here you have explicitly said that your friend previously stole the account, so you are aware that he is a scammer. Can I ask why you gave him access to the account then?

I told you yesterday that today I would take the account back and refund you. later I would use the account to get a refund with paypal.

I asked you not to use the account until the replacement and you said "ok"

Then later you said you were going to sleep.

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Your friend, the one you claim hacked into the account, sent me this screenshot, showing that he is using the account with the Bot Developer Badge I sold you.




I want to clarify, that I don't know his friend, but I asked him for clarification yesterday, after @setings added me to their discord group.





I asked you what this was and you said that actually, the screenshot was yours. Yet when I asked you for proof, you told me you had deleted the screenshot.

Weren't you asleep at that time?

Are you sure you don't have a screenshot where it blatantly shows you are sending the screenshot to your friend?

Because it looks like you actually shared your account details with him yesterday, after we talked about replacing due to this issue.

If so, it would be strange, because you are aware that your friend is involved in the scams.

 

[Ante]

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This is the private group you sent me to today.

During our private conversation on epic, you sent me a screenshot where I noticed that there was an impersonator in your group. A persona who pretends to be. What did this person do? activated the nitro and put my discord tag, and put the nickname like mine, but with a different spelling

You personally created the server on 04 June and you all talk about coding and bot developing

All of you, members of this group, are on the same server as the person who sold me the account.

Do you understand that the situation seems somewhat strange?

Is it all coincidence?

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

yes I understand that it's strange but in this case I should have been lying to you? it's amazing and super annoying

 

[setings]

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Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

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Yes i agree on the fact that it is very weird, i was shocked when i learnt what was the truth behind this account. The account was first hacked by someone i know and then stolen by ToggleMonster, i provided all evidences for this including the fact that togglemonster owns a "pishing" service to hack discord accounts.

When my friend hacked the discord account ToggleMonster stole it and sold it to you. On the account, we can also see old dms of when it was grabbed and when the original owner tried to contact the hacker.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

This proves that the account you sold me was not obtained legitimately, which is why I want a refund.

 

[Ante]

Or. This is always a conversation with your friend, the one you said previously hacked the account.

your friend says that the same person who sold me the account stole his account.

Your friend says his nickname was Calme.

even the profile picture he sent looks the same.

So, if the Calme profile is owned by the person who sold the account to me, he is also part of your private group.


This seems strange too, yet it is part of your group. The same members of this group are part of the dedicated server you sent, where the owner is the person who sold me the account.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

- All of you, members of this group, are on the same server as the person who sold me the account.
- Do you understand that the situation seems somewhat strange?

Yes because my friend is using this service to get badge accounts, though these accounts usually don't last a week and get pulled back by the original owners and that is what will happen to the account you sold me

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

- This seems strange too, yet it is part of your group. The same members of this group are part of the dedicated server you sent, where the owner is the person who sold me the account.

As i previously said, the server of TOGGLEMONSTER is dedicated to pishing. I worked with Calme on some projects and i am still working to this date with him, it is not the point of the conversation!

You bought an account that was stolen and you refuse to admit it even though i provided all the evidences.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

In fact, it does not matter who hacked the account first! The problem is it was hacked. When i came here to buy an account, i didn't want to buy a stolen account, i was looking for a legit one. But this prooves you don't know where you accounts come from.

Togglemonster hacks account with his phising tool and sell them to you and it doesn't bother you reselling them, knowing they can get pulled back by the original owner?

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

Do you realise you are selling me an account that in a few days will get pulled back?

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

Do you realise you are selling me an account 225$, that in a few days will get pulled back by the original owner?

 

[Ante]

- All of you, members of this group, are on the same server as the person who sold me the account.
- Do you understand that the situation seems somewhat strange?

Yes because my friend is using this service to get badge accounts, though these accounts usually don't last a week and get pulled back by the original owners and that is what will happen to the account you sold me

Well, so you also know the owner of the server? The same person who sold me the account the day before

 

[Ante]

- This seems strange too, yet it is part of your group. The same members of this group are part of the dedicated server you sent, where the owner is the person who sold me the account.

As i previously said, the server of TOGGLEMONSTER is dedicated to pishing. I worked with Calme on some projects and i am still working to this date with him, it is not the point of the conversation!

You bought an account that was stolen and you refuse to admit it even though i provided all the evidences.

As I have already told you, I am responsible for the product I sell. If there is a problem, it is my job and care to solve it, so that the buyer is satisfied.

Also, I've never been aware of this, as you can see from the attached conversation.

The moment you wrote me, explaining the problem, I immediately offered you a refund.

After I collected some evidence I preferred to open a dispute, first of all, to clarify the roles in this matter.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

okay, so we are going in private to make the refund?

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

I didn't know the owner personally, I just knew that he ran a pishing service.

I understand that this situation is quite surprising, and I myself was surprised when I learned what had happened and that is why I want to clarify things as best as possible so that you can make a dispute with the seller, and I can get my money back.

 

[Ante]

https://prnt.sc/15u3hg1 - https://prnt.sc/15u3rd5
Here you have explicitly said that your friend previously stole the account, so you are aware that he is a scammer. Can I ask why you gave him access to the account then?

I told you yesterday that today I would take the account back and refund you. later I would use the account to get a refund with paypal.

I asked you not to use the account until the replacement and you said "ok"

Then later you said you were going to sleep.

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Your friend, the one you claim hacked into the account, sent me this screenshot, showing that he is using the account with the Bot Developer Badge I sold you.




I want to clarify, that I don't know his friend, but I asked him for clarification yesterday, after @setings added me to their discord group.





I asked you what this was and you said that actually, the screenshot was yours. Yet when I asked you for proof, you told me you had deleted the screenshot.

Weren't you asleep at that time?

Are you sure you don't have a screenshot where it blatantly shows you are sending the screenshot to your friend?

Because it looks like you actually shared your account details with him yesterday, after we talked about replacing due to this issue.

If so, it would be strange, because you are aware that your friend is involved in the scams.




Can you answer at this?
I already mentioned you, but you may not have read the message.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

no I did not give the account to anyone, I just sent screens like what I was in voice with the owner of the account and I deleted it, but I can redo you screens of my phone, you will see that it's me

 

[Ante]

no I did not give the account to anyone, I just sent screens like what I was in voice with the owner of the account and I deleted it, but I can redo you screens of my phone, you will see that it's me

Can I ask why you deleted these screenshots from your conversation? I have an iphone too. The menu is probably the same.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

I have an iphone XR and he has an iphone 6 so they are absolutely not the same menu

 

[setings]

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Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

short and why ask all this? why would I send an account worth 225 euros? I'm already afraid that discord will take it back from me ...

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

I have been waiting for a refund since yesterday and I am horribly tired of waiting as you can see

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

if you say the account wouldn't have any problems then why did you try not to take it back? I offer you a refund, tell you that I am a scammer or other while I am a simple buyer who realizes that it is an account to steal

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

I sent all the proofs, I'm waiting for one of your staff to confirm because it's incredible, I don't want to lose 225 euros.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

and excuse me, i'm french i have trouble speaking english.

 

[Ante]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

WOW.

(the account photo in the 2nd screenshot was taken from the thread: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/*-discord-badges-aged-and-nitro-*.1688863/ )

They have already changed their nicknames, but the ID code is unique: impostor ID: 826371891680903208

(Photo of the impersonator discord
before he updated his nickname)

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LOOK AT THIS

The paypal address where this person sent the money is the same as @setings: [email protected]

These are the payments I received from @setings






Can you explain this or can we end this story with a game over?
@setings

 

[Ante]

The impersonator used to scam this guy is the same one who belongs to your group. The group is created by you.

the paypal used by the impersonator is the same as you used to pay me.

It's all connected

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

it has nothing to do with me

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

the sale of your account has nothing to do with it, you still sold me an account that will be lost forever

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

so I wish to have the refund, the account you sold me is still stealing, so that doesn't change the situation.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

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[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

you bought him are account

 

[setings]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

the service used which allowed him to hack the discord account is that of toggle monster and he sold it to you and then resold for me, so you are not wrong me !!

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

Only staff can view this content.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

look at the name of the webhook

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

the seller of the account who sold you the account you sold to me is stealing, so stop telling me a lot of excuses, I'm asking for a refund right away, so stop later, what you show me has nothing to do with it. 'have with the sale of the badge you sold me.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

I ask for a refund no matter what.

 

[setings]

Banned - Scamming - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/a-very-strange-situation.1975981/page-2

Hello I would like the refund !!