[Vote] Should "hand farmed gold" claims be allowed?

[EpicNPC]

Recently there as been much discussion about whether or not to ban all claims from gold sellers stating that their gold is hand farmed and not botted.

There is no way for anyone to confirm how a gold seller obtained their gold. When gold sellers buy gold from players, they also have no way to confirm how that gold was farmed. Since there is no way to prove "hand farmed gold" it could lead to false advertising as anyone can make the claim with no way to verify it.

I'm putting it to a vote to see what the community feels about these claims. Should gold sellers be allowed to make them?

Voting will remain open for 7 days.

 

[amplearchitect]

false advertising it is, ban that.

 

[DarkBoosting]

its not possible to check it, you can got ban for buying gold anyway and buyer instatly call boted gold

 

[SeptimusPrime]

Since there’s no way to verify it then it shouldn’t matter to the buyer
So the gold sellers can claim whatever they want but the buyers just won’t give a fudge
Might suck for those who are actually putting some effort into it but it is what it is

 

[Lucky_Charms]

Well yeah if your on the site purchasing gold I agree you always have a 50/50 chance of a BAN in the game same as if your caught buying anything within the game from a site like this its going against ToS for every game.

That is why on the site you acknowledge the fact nothing is safe on here at all, there is always a chance of actions taken upon you or whatever you purchase.

The sellers claiming Hand Farmed, Non Botted, Legal or even the word Safe is all claims that are not true and can't be proven when it comes to RMT and gold selling, as you can not confirm where the gold comes from by selling items in the AH to make gold to sell.

 

[Sasoriyo]

I vote ban

 

[Kai]

The term should be banned.

 

[catalsytflower]

If you have no way of verifiying dont allow it

 

[Kai]

If you have no way of verifiying dont allow it

There is no way of knowing for sure if gold is legitimate or not.

 

[Kitsnoo]

Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-report-kitsnoo-formely-tymelord.2269472/

I mean anyone who buys gold should know this is a violation and they have a 50/50 of getting banned lmao..

 

[BrunoThunder]

If you buying gold you know there is a chance you will get banned, but, claiming its hand farmed when its not should be banned. Since it can’t be proven if either is or not it should just not be allowed to make the claim. Unless you can actually prove it

 

[Kai]

I mean anyone who buys gold should know this is a violation and they have a 50/50 of getting banned lmao..

The issue is sellers claiming to have legitimate products by mentioning it is “hand farmed” can’t be realistically verified. They will normally generate higher volume of sales and can charge a premium due to these claims. Furthermore, botted gold historically has seen way higher ban rates then when done legitimately on veteran accounts.

 

[catalsytflower]

if you can hand farm there is actually a way to prove it, which is what japanese gbf players use to verify their GW ranks wasnt botted
they record themselves farming or stream it on bilbili but thats such a niche community due to how expensive it is and they have staff who regularly check on that
I highly doubt thats something feasible here considering the guy who sold the gold to seller who then sold it to you probably doesnt have recording from the first source
could also force all the sellers for a refund in case the accounts get banned but then people can abuse it and get banned on purpose for their gold bots and get all the money back and leave the seller with nothing
there is no winning with this if you know there is a high chance of ban either way I just wouldnt allow it

 

[DarkoxTM]

I just think that there is no real way to prove that gold is grown by hand in certain cases of very large quantities. I personally farm my gold by hand in every game and claiming it's hand farmed doesn't guarantee there won't be a ban in RTM I'd say it's a 50/50 chance in some cases

 

[Lucky_Charms]

Hand Farmed // Non Botted // Legal // Safe, are all claims that can't be proven within the Gold selling field at all and the use of Safe shouldn't be allowed at all on this site as nothing here is safe it is a site for RMT that goes against all Terms of Services for games

 

[Kai]

Hand Farmed // Non Botted // Legal // Safe, are all claims that can't be proven within the Gold selling field at all and the use of Safe shouldn't be allowed at all on this site as nothing here is safe it is a site for RMT that goes against all Terms of Services for games

Keep in mind, the terms (Hand Farmed, Non Botted, Legal) are at issue, not any other words here.

 

[itsmetian1303]

the terms should be banned imo
theres no realistic way possible to confirm the legitimacy behind that terms

 

[FumiFumiP]

buyers should be acknowledged that buying gold is a risk of ban, does not matter hand farmed or botted
kinda off the topic but I think the gold sellers should add a risk disclaimer on their threads.
because some buyers are like "oh buying gold is something normal". if buyer read the risk disclaimer they would think twice.

 

[Vizions]

I have known one person who hand farmed gold in 15 years and he had a "hoarding" disorder, it would be funny to see the results of an anonymous poll that asked "have you ever hand-farmed gold in retail wow with the intent to sell?"

 

[EeveeTrainers]

I wanna know if the gold I buy is botted or not... whether or not they are lying. I know most sellers with their own website and whatnot bot for their gold or acquire their gold through means that are against TOS for that game.

I think instead of "botted" or "non-botted" gold, there should be a tag that states if your gold was acquired through legal or illegal means. Legal meaning that all gold you obtained does not violate the TOS for that game. Illegal being botted, bought, or gold obtained via hacks or other means. Sure, people can lie, but it still does help buyers find the "type" of gold they would prefer to buy.

 

[Rogue]

Banned - Previously banned: Endorra

There is no way of knowing for sure if gold is legitimate or not.

Cmon you can see who's selling botted gold, and who's farming it mostly..

People who sell each day gold on site is most likely to do bot, and you can check my history i always sell when i farm my gold! And that is completely unfair to say! Cause its looked the same, even i spend my time to actually get my gold, while your buying from botters, or botting your self, theres a diffrence! It shouldn't be allowed for you big sellers, who for sure sell botted gold, and its not same..
If they see gold came through same things sold on auction house they will check your history of what was in inventory, if they connect leather or anything like that, for example fishing savory.. over 1k obviously they will know it was botted, and then sold away.... while farm gold farmed is completely diffrent story, and you cant really track it as easy.... you should inform your self before giving such statment... i owned private server, you can track alot of things through logs....I would honestly ban resales of gold, cause this is problem we have nowdays big sellers buy and resell same gold, which brings more attention to blizzard! While none sees that as problem on long term its gonna become a hhuge problem, once they hire someone to track each transactions.... then we all gonna get screwed! Multiple things here shouldn't be allowed, but they still are! Ask your self people how long do you think this will go?
I sell my gold leggit!! and i find it unfair for me to not be able to claim as such! this is for me closed topic

 

[mythril]

I honestly think the term should be banned. It should be considered as false advertising since there is no way to prove it.

 

[Rogue]

Banned - Previously banned: Endorra

I wanna know if the gold I buy is botted or not... whether or not they are lying. I know most sellers with their own website and whatnot bot for their gold or acquire their gold through means that are against TOS for that game.

I think instead of "botted" or "non-botted" gold, there should be a tag that states if your gold was acquired through legal or illegal means. Legal meaning that all gold you obtained does not violate the TOS for that game. Illegal being botted, bought, or gold obtained via hacks or other means. Sure, people can lie, but it still does help buyers find the "type" of gold they would prefer to buy.

Yea but problem is u got this big sellers, who sells their gold through botting... and many users dont understand that its easier for them to get banned if they buy gold through them, you can easly know who's selling botted gold, and who's selling real gold, since none will have such large amounts of gold every single day in stock.. lol only botters do i sell from time to time... and this is sad what they are doing... just look most of people who agree are botters, or people who gives zero ***, so for their bussines its better that term is banned cause they know they either way lied + it goes into their benefit....

 

[Rogue]

Banned - Previously banned: Endorra

buyers should be acknowledged that buying gold is a risk of ban, does not matter hand farmed or botted
kinda off the topic but I think the gold sellers should add a risk disclaimer on their threads.
because some buyers are like "oh buying gold is something normal". if buyer read the risk disclaimer they would think twice.

It matters alot if gold is botted or not.. botted gold is much easier to spot for blizzard then normal farmed gold!
Stacks being sold tells alot to blizzard.. only you dont care, and in your benefit goes that u sell it, so you agree ..
dont think people are sheeps-

 

[Kai]

Cmon you can see who's selling botted gold, and who's farming it mostly..

People who sell each day gold on site is most likely to do bot, and you can check my history i always sell when i farm my gold! And that is completely unfair to say! Cause its looked the same, even i spend my time to actually get my gold, while your buying from botters, or botting your self, theres a diffrence! It shouldn't be allowed for you big sellers, who for sure sell botted gold, and its not same..
If they see gold came through same things sold on auction house they will check your history of what was in inventory, if they connect leather or anything like that, for example fishing savory.. over 1k obviously they will know it was botted, and then sold away.... while farm gold farmed is completely diffrent story, and you cant really track it as easy.... you should inform your self before giving such statment... i owned private server, you can track alot of things through logs....I would honestly ban resales of gold, cause this is problem we have nowdays big sellers buy and resell same gold, which brings more attention to blizzard! While none sees that as problem on long term its gonna become a hhuge problem, once they hire someone to track each transactions.... then we all gonna get screwed! Multiple things here shouldn't be allowed, but they still are! Ask your self people how long do you think this will go?
I sell my gold leggit!! and i find it unfair for me to not be able to claim as such! this is for me closed topic

If you can provide a way of verifying gold is 100% legitimate, let me know…

 

[mythril]

If you can provide a way of verifying gold is 100% legitimate, let me know…

True. This should be the whole idea behind allowing or banning these terms. They are unsupported claims that are basically can not be proven.

Cmon you can see who's selling botted gold, and who's farming it mostly..

People who sell each day gold on site is most likely to do bot, and you can check my history i always sell when i farm my gold! And that is completely unfair to say! Cause its looked the same, even i spend my time to actually get my gold, while your buying from botters, or botting your self, theres a diffrence! It shouldn't be allowed for you big sellers, who for sure sell botted gold, and its not same..
If they see gold came through same things sold on auction house they will check your history of what was in inventory, if they connect leather or anything like that, for example fishing savory.. over 1k obviously they will know it was botted, and then sold away.... while farm gold farmed is completely diffrent story, and you cant really track it as easy.... you should inform your self before giving such statment... i owned private server, you can track alot of things through logs....I would honestly ban resales of gold, cause this is problem we have nowdays big sellers buy and resell same gold, which brings more attention to blizzard! While none sees that as problem on long term its gonna become a hhuge problem, once they hire someone to track each transactions.... then we all gonna get screwed! Multiple things here shouldn't be allowed, but they still are! Ask your self people how long do you think this will go?
I sell my gold leggit!! and i find it unfair for me to not be able to claim as such! this is for me closed topic

Also, regarding the use of these terms, I couldn't understand why you were only talking about World of Warcraft at first, but then I saw that you are a World of Warcraft vendor yourself.

I'd say please do not particularly think about yourself and try to see the big picture here. There are tons of different ways of obtaning in-game currencies in many different games. Black Market Trading, Cargebacks & Stolen CC/VCC purchases on games where you can basically convert real money to game currency, stolen items/currencies and so on.

Yea but problem is u got this big sellers, who sells their gold through botting... and many users dont understand that its easier for them to get banned if they buy gold through them, you can easly know who's selling botted gold, and who's selling real gold, since none will have such large amounts of gold every single day in stock.. lol only botters do i sell from time to time... and this is sad what they are doing... just look most of people who agree are botters, or people who gives zero ***, so for their bussines its better that term is banned cause they know they either way lied + it goes into their benefit....

They could potentially have a network* of farmer suppliers & customers too but you are basically accusing all "big sellers" for selling bot-farmed gold. Either way, it can not be proven.
*A lot of them do, that's how they work.

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Personal opinion, it should be considered as false advertisement/unsupported claim.

 

[dokkanfresh]

ban, it would never be worthwhile to hand farm. it as simple as that. Scale is what allows gold sellers to make money.

 

[Lucky_Charms]

This vote is for the simple reason of people using Hand Farm Non Botted Legal and should of been Safe terms also, however I believe Mike left out the Safe word.

This has been a issues I have handled reports on back and forth and, as others have said there is no way of providing proof the gold is Safe. not botted gold legal etc. However the hand farmed term I think could go both ways.

The seller could of legit farmed the gold hand farmed from mobs, however with huge stock of gold they would of used selling items to obtain gold that they can't guarantee that the gold they got from the sale is not botted.

AS Kai pointed out the statement of hand farmed legal safe non botted helps sellers sell more gold then others, however they have no way to claim any of these statements.

 

[dokkanfresh]

This vote is for the simple reason of people using Hand Farm Non Botted Legal and should of been Safe terms also, however I believe Mike left out the Safe word.

This has been a issues I have handled reports on back and forth and, as others have said there is no way of providing proof the gold is Safe. not botted gold legal etc. However the hand farmed term I think could go both ways.

The seller could of legit farmed the gold hand farmed from mobs, however with huge stock of gold they would of used selling items to obtain gold that they can't guarantee that the gold they got from the sale is not botted.

AS Kai pointed out the statement of hand farmed legal safe non botted helps sellers sell more gold then others, however they have no way to claim any of these statements.

The reality is that bulk sellers/large sellers buy gold and sell gold.

Simply put, the mixing of the gold itself from different players funneled to the bulk seller in principal makes it impossible to know.

Seccondly, people who sell gold on mass to bulk buyers are botters. It would simply not make sense for them to hand farm. Therefore even if a seller to the bulk buyer is not a botter, it would end up being mixed and that claim would no longer be true.

Allowing sellers to gain an advantage based on untrue claims is quite foolish. My recommendation is to base things on volume of gold sold by the seller. Large volumes undoubtedly are botted gold or impossible to prove to be "hand farmed".

One could make the argument a one time seller with realistic volume may possibly have hand farmed gold. . . but most likely they would end up selling to a bulk buyer anyway.

All in all, the best decision is to ban the characterization of hand farmed gold as we all know this is simply untrue and unprovable given the nature of the gold market.

 

[dokkanfresh]

In truth, I believe most of the forum moderators that are also sellers in their respective markets have a clear conflict of interest.

Though that's the nature of how people work I guess, simply put even this vote itself is out of trying to gain an edge in the respective market of the person who called the vote.

The moderator system should really be updated so that moderators moderate forums in which they are not also sellers in. Otherwise this conflict of interest will continue to be a problem going forward whether you guys want to admit it or not. . .

 

[Kai]

In truth, I believe most of the forum moderators that are also sellers in their respective markets have a clear conflict of interest.

Though that's the nature of how people work I guess, simply put even this vote itself is out of trying to gain an edge in the respective market of the person who called the vote.

The moderator system should really be updated so that moderators moderate forums in which they are not also sellers in. Otherwise this conflict of interest will continue to be a problem going forward whether you guys want to admit it or not. . .

Typically Local Moderators are active in multiple areas aside from where they sell. It wouldn’t make sense for them to manage sections they are not active in, with zero game knowledge, or interest. Forum Mods that are not supporting the community, breaking the rules, or don’t follow Global Moderators / Admin directive, get removed. Staff must follow EpicNPC policy like everyone else. Being apart of the Mod team doesn’t make you exempt.

 

[Punchiepun]

I honestly think the term should be banned. It should be considered as false advertising since there is no way to prove it.

i agree same for hand farmed for boosting i hired someone on here to do some fallout 76 leveling for me and got banned for hacks so i paid for someone to login and play as a real player for me and they loaded hacks and got me banned all i got was a refund from seller and 1years of grinding and buying **** off fallout76 this topic should be very simple those people who put hand farmed 99% of time are lying and want to pull in customers who don't want people using hacks on there account or getting hacked gold it is scam at core and deceptive

 

[oWolfie]

Even though saying it's hand farmed might make people feel better mentally, it's still borderline manipulation.

Remember, RMT // buying gold is against TOS.

No matter who you buy from or if it's hand farmed, you're still risking your account.

I voted NO because this can not be proven nor does it matter since RMT = chance of ban.

 

[NairdaTienerhaf]

Banned - Multiple scam accusations

The funniest thing I've ever read here is "Gold Sale" and "Legal" in the same sentence. We all know here that the RMT is banable whichever method you choose. However, it is true that some methods and tricks allow us to make the business safer for customers, but come on, everyone who buys knows that regardless of what they do or say doing RMT can result in BAM. I think this survey is useless, even if they force sellers to put a disclaimer or not put those statements in their Threads, they will not stop using HACKS or bots and everything will remain the same.

I am a buyer and a reseller, I also grow gold and accounts by hand and I have never had a client banned, in fact, my only negative comment was from an administrator on a particular server. You will see the important thing here is not to sell lies, we must be honest, but let's not shift the blame to a minority or majority of people who only provide income at the expense of bots or hacks, the fault lies with those who buy from them and continue to do so, making them grow. Whether you choose yes or no, the result will not change anything.

 

[dokkanfresh]

Typically Local Moderators are active in multiple areas aside from where they sell. It wouldn’t make sense for them to manage sections they are not active in, with zero game knowledge, or interest. Forum Mods that are not supporting the community, breaking the rules, or don’t follow Global Moderators / Admin directive, get removed. Staff must follow EpicNPC policy like everyone else. Being apart of the Mod team doesn’t make you exempt.

In principal this may sound like a reasonable statement, but I've seen local mods target competitors that aren't mods. In fact I've been subject to such targetting at times.

As a general rule, you can pretty much always expect people to only do things that benefit their interests.

 

[Kai]

In principal this may sound like a reasonable statement, but I've seen local mods target competitors that aren't mods. In fact I've been subject to such targetting at times.

I looked into the last few warnings @dokkanfresh, and the reasons look okay to me. There are long periods between them, and by different staff members. I did however remove one of the infractions off your account since you received multiple in a short period, which should not have happend, so sorry about that.

As a general rule, you can pretty much always expect people to only do things that benefit their interests.

While that maybe the case for some, I will say that EpicNPC is one of the best places I have done volunteer mod work for. We have a pretty solid team here that cares about helping the community and keeping you guys safe.

 

[Spoodie]

I agree if you have no way of veryfing the gold is truly hand farmed there is no reason to allow it to advertise as such

 

[doomedtofail]

Even myself when I was a reseller I could never tell where my gold really came from. People I knew well I could trust. I had worked with a team that I know hand farmed because he was very proud to show me their set up. but other then that it was hard to tell. I know from selling gold to so many major sellers here. they NEVER even ask where gold came from at all. They only wanted to know how much you had and how fast you can provide more and how cheap you'll sell it. I warned a gold seller that one of the people selling to him was exploit farming and extremely high risk, he didn't care it was cheap. His threads to this day still say hand farmed.

 

[CorporateExp]

There are games where botting is possible, others where it isn't, or at least botting wouldn't bring you any profit big enough to have spare gold to sell.
Let me give you as example the MMO Blade and Soul".
The game was designed in a way you couldn't bot for junk items, because the values were too small while selling to NPC shops, and valuable items dropped only in raids.

So both whales and gold sellers were making bank on selling raid loot spots, and the raid loot itself.
Therefore, there was no botting possible in said game.
I don't know of anyone who got banned for buying gold, which is something I did myself from various websites.

In other old school MMOs such as Anarchy Online, the method was similar. You couldn't bot anything since making money that way was impossible. So there were groups of Raid loot farmers (AI raid armor components), larger raid item loot rights, etc.

But in games such as Diablo Immortal, where you have people selling speed hack, damage hack, invulnerability hack, etc., I'm 100% sure the gold is hacked, not botted, since if they can hack the game for a speed boost, they can do the same for duping or spawning items, platinum, etc.

So, I don't think it's fair to ban the term itself, since sometimes it's a 100% legitimate claim.

Also, whether you buy hand farmed gold, botted gold or hacked gold, the risk of getting banned is the same, and it depends on whether the company that owns your game hired people specialized in tracking in game transactions, the origin of the gold you have in your inventory and so on.


So the better option would be to warn the buyer of this and the possibility of getting banned after purchasing gold.
You should train your buyers to "wash" the gold by spending it on the market instantly, so they lose trace of it.
Even if you'd get banned, you could still message the support saying you did nothing wrong, and that some random guy gave you gold. You thought he wanted to quit the game, so did not ask any questions, I mean why would you.
They can't verify if this information is true or false.
They can't verify for sure that you have actually purchased the gold, unless you're dumb and you message the seller in game saying "Hey, where is the gold I bought from you?".


So let's not do "woke" mistakes here, and instead of banning something that might be legitimate (innocent until proven guilty I think it's the term), allow sellers to keep using the term until proven otherwise.
IF they claim their gold is hand farmed, it is their responsibility to upkeep the claim.
If someone gets banned for buying their "hand farmed gold" for botting, the sellers should be permanently banned on this website.
Getting verified on a different name, re-building all the feedback, etc. would damage their sales hard enough to make them stop making false claims in the future.

That's my opinion, anyway.

 

[Rogue]

Banned - Previously banned: Endorra

If you can provide a way of verifying gold is 100% legitimate, let me know…

Because of big resellers, who buy in bulks and resell same, you cannot say, cause none have any moral here.. You see issue is that people sometimes wants to know from where their gold is comming, maybe none is leggit, however farmed gold through hand wont get banned as will botted, already said there is diffrence for buyers! and me who sells once a month or 2 times a month u can already say its not botted if it was, it would be much more gold in question then only once or twice a month... we both know that, and there is diffrence, people who deal with it constantly and resell botted gold, and me small seller, who farms and sells once or twice a month or even lesss.. So yeah i think bigger sellers shouldn't use such terms, but to disalow to non resellers thats a dumb idea and so unfair!

 

[Clc.utHa]

There is no point to think someone selling gold will done it by hand-farmed. Im not playing many games, but as far as i know, i will never ever able to farm gold with my hand. Whoever selling gold, im almost sure it will be botted. So, i think it a waste to make this kind of "claims". Just let the buyer assume whatever methods seller use to farm, but every buyer must acknowledge if buying gold is definetely has 50% to get banned.

To be fair, trading is againts all TOS every game. Leave alone the gold, the account as well. If we're going to ban gold selling, we should ban account trading in this site as well.

 

[Kai]

To be fair, trading is againts all TOS every game. Leave alone the gold, the account as well. If we're going to ban gold selling, we should ban account trading in this site as well.

We are not banning Gold here, so don’t worry! This vote is just to get everyones views on how the sale of this product should be advertised. This in no way will effort if you can make a purchase or list Gold for sale, so no sweat!

 

[Bombolz]

I think it's okay as long as the buyer understands the risks. Therefore the Seller MUST put a disclaimer stating that there is a chance to get banned. At the end of the day, it's up to the buyer if they are willing to take that risk.

 

[Kai]

I think it's okay as long as the buyer understands the risks. Therefore the Seller MUST put a disclaimer stating that there is a chance to get banned. At the end of the day, it's up to the buyer if they are willing to take that risk.

I feel like It's implied in this type of trade, known on any marketplace. Members doing dealings here understand that they are breaking gaming terms of service to try and make some extra cash or get ahead in the game in some way. No one is disputing that there are risks involved to doing these types of trades.

The question that needs answering is... "Should EpicNPC allow sellers to make claims about gold services being hand farmed or not?" The reason for this, and why it matters is because there is no way to realistically verify these claims, so that creates a number of issues…

Just to list one of many, at the moment, sellers can use false terms to generate higher volume of gold sales due to these claims. Furthermore, botted, hacked, or exploited gold farmed on new accounts historically has seen way higher ban rates then when done legitimately on established accounts by veteran players that value their accounts and services they provide. So, it's up to you guys to decide what kind of marketplace you want. Should we allow the honour system here, and trust that everyone will be honest about their listings, or do we limit what types of terms can be used to make a more open and honest marketplace, that will level the playing field for all members? Up to you guys, either way.

 

[PrimalIndustries]

For the game I sell gold on, sellers who say they hand farm usually have the lowest prices. Everyone else will be asking $1+, and their price will be $0.70 or something really low. I play the game that I sell gold on, so I personally would never sell it so low with how much work and time it takes to get. I also live in the US where minimum wage in a lot of states is at least $10-$15, so I guess a person's country could be factored in.

Still, a seller having an infinite amount of gold while saying "hand farmed" seems far fetched. I can't imagine someone having a ton of people in an office space stabbing sheep all day just to make a few cents. What seems more realistic is that they bot/hack or they're part of the "free giveaway" scheme in-game that steals a person's account info when they click the link. You'd think people wouldn't click that stuff, but they do. You see an account maxed out on everything constantly spamming a gold selling website every 5 seconds into shout chat, which means the original owner probably clicked a link they shouldn't have or gave someone access to their account. Those same gil selling websites being spammed in shout chat are on here saying they don't bot/hack.

And that makes me want to bring something else up to Epic's staff. There was a buying guide pinned for the game I sell on that tells buyers the only safe way to buy is to allow someone to take over their account. I know this thread is about gold selling, but that guide is completely false. It also only helps one seller in that forum that takes over people's accounts. That person also says they don't bot/hack, which anyone who actually plays the game knows that's 100% false. Especially when they have the capability of stealing another player's item to give to their buyer.

I think it matters for terms like "non-botting, non-hacking, etc" because a buyer will feel it's safe, when it most likely is an even higher risk.

 

[Rogue]

Banned - Previously banned: Endorra

There is no point to think someone selling gold will done it by hand-farmed. Im not playing many games, but as far as i know, i will never ever able to farm gold with my hand. Whoever selling gold, im almost sure it will be botted. So, i think it a waste to make this kind of "claims". Just let the buyer assume whatever methods seller use to farm, but every buyer must acknowledge if buying gold is definetely has 50% to get banned.

To be fair, trading is againts all TOS every game. Leave alone the gold, the account as well. If we're going to ban gold selling, we should ban account trading in this site as well.

Maybe were just end geared and we dont need anything, so from time to time when we play we farm and gold doing the game? check my stocks when i sell gold, does that seem like botting? i dont sell gold each day or each another day that u can call it botting.... thanks to these big sellers liars, we recieve punishment, and there is diffrence, botted gold can be easly spotted by staff, and all included in transactions could get banned for that matter, while hand farmed gold there's nothing to spot really... diffrence is liars!

 

[PrimalIndustries]

Maybe were just end geared and we dont need anything, so from time to time when we play we farm and gold doing the game? check my stocks when i sell gold, does that seem like botting? i dont sell gold each day or each another day that u can call it botting.... thanks to these big sellers liars, we recieve punishment, and there is diffrence, botted gold can be easly spotted by staff, and all included in transactions could get banned for that matter, while hand farmed gold there's nothing to spot really... diffrence is liars!

In reality, the market has always been fair. Everyone could put in their title "hand farmed" if they wanted to. A buyer's main concerns are price and reliability. From experience with buyers, most if not all who have bought from me were aware of the risks that could happen to their account for RMT, considering it's against ToS. Whether the term "hand farmed" is banned or not on Epic, it won't affect those of us who actually play the game(s) we sell stuff on. As long as a player requires the services we provide, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day. I wouldn't worry too much about how this vote goes.

 

[anhack]

BAN THESE BOTS THAT ARE RUINING ALL MMOS

 

[Rogue]

Banned - Previously banned: Endorra

In reality, the market has always been fair. Everyone could put in their title "hand farmed" if they wanted to. A buyer's main concerns are price and reliability. From experience with buyers, most if not all who have bought from me were aware of the risks that could happen to their account for RMT, considering it's against ToS. Whether the term "hand farmed" is banned or not on Epic, it won't affect those of us who actually play the game(s) we sell stuff on. As long as a player requires the services we provide, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day. I wouldn't worry too much about how this vote goes.

I've get on *** i dont know if i am allowed to say it, however i get questions such as if gold is obtained through farming or botting.. It makes diffrence to some people, and as that i want to have ability to say its farmed through hand! Since i farmed each of my gold... there is diffrence beetwen me, and those high reputation sellers that buy and resell gold in bulk.... there is diffrence beetwen me and them, when buyer buys of me, and when buyer buys of them... less risik is ingame!

 

[Kai]

I've get on *** i dont know if i am allowed to say it, however i get questions such as if gold is obtained through farming or botting.. It makes diffrence to some people, and as that i want to have ability to say its farmed through hand! Since i farmed each of my gold... there is diffrence beetwen me, and those high reputation sellers that buy and resell gold in bulk.... there is diffrence beetwen me and them, when buyer buys of me, and when buyer buys of them... less risik is ingame!

If these terms end up being restricted here, you can’t mention to perspective clients that you “hand farm”, or offer any type of “Legit” Gold, as that would put your EpicNPC account as risk.