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[creapygames]

Banned - Working with scammers

Ever heard of discord imposter? Like the oldest and most classical trick in the playbook?

Kinda like the epicNPC imposter that try to get money from me, but you just need common sense.
xd

 

[AgentSmith]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Ever heard of discord imposter? Like the oldest and most classical trick in the playbook?

Ever heard of google translate, if you don't understand English properly, i will repeat what i said in a simple manner. Buyer contacts you on Epic, you give him discord ,and scam him on discord. No TG used, no problem, you wont get banned as they wont investigate non TG stuff. You continue scamming, and if you get a bad feedback it just gets removed . Makes sense now? Doesn't have to do anything with imposters, only people who fall for that are the ones who don't know what even discord is , that doesn't have to do anything with the problem i pointed.

 

[Adoxia]

Ever heard of google translate, if you don't understand English properly, i will repeat what i said in a simple manner. Buyer contacts you on Epic, you give him discord ,and scam him on discord. No TG used, no problem, you wont get banned as they wont investigate non TG stuff. You continue scamming, and if you get a bad feedback it just gets removed . Makes sense now? Doesn't have to do anything with imposters, only people who fall for that are the ones who don't know what even discord is , that doesn't have to do anything with the problem i pointed.

If we have enough evidence without having to investigate we will ban a user. However, we will not sit and constantly ask for evidence.

 

[AgentSmith]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Im scammer too?, You are kinda funny

Did anyone mention you? Well when you asked, by checking your profile, you seem to advertise in your threads discord without full ID , which is very sus , you could be doing offsite scams and be perfectly clear here. And if something arises you could just say oh it was an imposter or a offsite trade that never happened , and Epic would be like its all cool we just investigate TG disputes lmao. What I'm saying is, because of the poorly implemented systems that are all optional , on a free trading forum, everyone could be potentially a scammer. Unless TG becomes mandatory scams will get even worse, either force TG on everyone, or take into consideration Non TG disputes . Now with ID identification it also wont change anything , if anything, now people that want to quit the site will just do some extra scams until they are shut down completely, as why not . Makes sense?

 

[AgentSmith]

If we have enough evidence without having to investigate we will ban a user. However, we will not sit and constantly ask for evidence.

Ofc , i was reading scam section of the forum for years just for fun, in my opinion 90% of the people that should be banned were not punished . As there was "not enough evidence" ,also an attempted scam is a scam. I understand that its impossible to look at all disputes, but either completely turn site to marketplace , or just leave it as a free forum. Both have their advantages. I personally would not like to waste time on TG procedures, middleman's , and verifications . As they are of no use to anyone who has a little bit of experience. Since registering on this site, i was scammed few times, after that for 5 years no one tried to scam me as there is literally no way if you know how things work. Only type of scam that is actually effective vs seller is when a buyer refunds the money . And for buyer, he "should" be safe trading high rep seller (not anymore) . or at least middleman solves the thing . Recovering of the account is also most effective scam, and both of those can bypass any security measures, well at least that will get them permanently banned for good

 

[Adoxia]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Ofc , i was reading scam section of the forum for years just for fun, in my opinion 90% of the people that should be banned were not punished . As there was "not enough evidence" ,also an attempted scam is a scam. I understand that its impossible to look at all disputes, but either completely turn site to marketplace , or just leave it as a free forum. Both have their advantages. I personally would not like to waste time on TG procedures, middleman's , and verifications . As they are of no use to anyone who has a little bit of experience. Since registering on this site, i was scammed few times, after that for 5 years no one tried to scam me as there is literally no way if you know how things work. Only type of scam that is actually effective vs seller is when a buyer refunds the money . And for buyer, he "should" be safe trading high rep seller (not anymore) . or at least middleman solves the thing . Recovering of the account is also most effective scam, and both of those can bypass any security measures, well at least that will get them permanently banned for good

Heres the issue with what you are reading in disputes. We ideally don’t want to ban users as we would rather disputes get resolved. Also some parts of disputes would be in private messages as well.

Just because you read part of a dispute doesn’t mean you have the whole picture. If you do not want to use a middleman or TG doesn’t mean that other users don’t want to use it.

This is still a free market. We have no intention of becoming a market place.

So your ideal website is to just let users get scammed a few times and hope they learn. This is a failure of a business model.

Ever heard of google translate, if you don't understand English properly, i will repeat what i said in a simple manner. Buyer contacts you on Epic, you give him discord ,and scam him on discord. No TG used, no problem, you wont get banned as they wont investigate non TG stuff. You continue scamming, and if you get a bad feedback it just gets removed . Makes sense now? Doesn't have to do anything with imposters, only people who fall for that are the ones who don't know what even discord is , that doesn't have to do anything with the problem i pointed.

We have multiple reasons as to why we don’t bother with discord. There are way too many ways to cover up a scam. As I stated before if someone post evidence of a scam or scam attempt without us having to investigate. (This means we do not need to request evidence) We will outright ban the user.

 

[tuvo]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

ive noticed most part of users who against this change usually some profiles with very low amount of feedbacks or created not long ago

think about it

it is really easy to get vouches if you are selling low margin stuff that has high demand

i made probably 200 sales from this site on my discord or telegram, not here

 

[wwenk]

Wished the UI for verification is a bit better, we could use an undo button of sorts during the process.

 

[Mr. Fox]

I'll just be blunt with it.

There's nobody sensible who would be giving their personal information and images of verification documents to an online gray marketplace platform which already has had it's database leaked once.
Even worse, practically every moderator here has their own business and teeth in the game. I can't imagine a person who would send such critical information to their direct competitors.

This platform is already asking more money than any other place and it's clear and obvious that it's not about scammers, but simply another venue for EpicNPC to harvest information for financial gain.

I won't be posting any new threads here, but if you ever decide to change your mind on this matter, I think sending out a mass email + user notification would probably bring back some sellers.

Good luck!

 

[Adoxia]

I'll just be blunt with it.

There's nobody sensible who would be giving their personal information and images of verification documents to an online gray marketplace platform which already has had it's database leaked once.
Even worse, practically every moderator here has their own business and teeth in the game. I can't imagine a person who would send such critical information to their direct competitors.

This platform is already asking more money than any other place and it's clear and obvious that it's not about scammers, but simply another venue for EpicNPC to harvest information for financial gain.

I won't be posting any new threads here, but if you ever decide to change your mind on this matter, I think sending out a mass email + user notification would probably bring back some sellers.

Good luck!

Mods do not have access to anyones information that is used for verification.

This change is making EpicNPC lose money as they have to pay for a third party company to handle verifications.

 

[Tony and Friends]

it is really easy to get vouches if you are selling low margin stuff that has high demand

i made probably 200 sales from this site on my discord or telegram, not here

yeah 200 sales and nobody of them did not leave feedback at epic, either you did not ask them to leave feedback, or you hiding something, lil bro

 

[deu8n]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Mods do not have access to anyones information that is used for verification.

This change is making EpicNPC lose money as they have to pay for a third party company to handle verifications.

So why do it then?

I legit don't feel like inviting any more people to this site after this change - Imagine I find a good deal on discord or whatever game forum out there? In the past you could invite the seller to open up epic NPC account and buy whatever it is they are selling via TG ( Sure they had to verify phone but nowadays everyone has it with them and it's not too big of a deal )

But after this change?? hahaha

It's already a hurdle to move someone to unknown website, with to them unknown middleman... Even ask them to provide their ID, selfie and what not to verify? Yea not gonna happen - they legit gonna think I'm trying to scam them off their ID or something

That's what you're failing to see , this change has far wider impacts than any of you considered - what used to be a casual website for newcomers to come and use is turning into a shxthole called g2 g or ********... (It's unbelivably bad trying to strike a deal on those websites, legit everyone is mass selling accounts and doesn't care to negotiate in the slightest, those are not everyday people selling their accounts - which you get to see a lot here)

With such a drastic change in selling policy expect more to come. Market is going to shift from unique personal accounts to mass botted / insanely bad goods that mass sellers push, then there will be a buyer shift as well!
There's a reason I don't shop on g 2g or player up that often, despite their insane buyer protections the goods which are being sold are either expensive af or cheap garbage , and I expect we are gonna be seeing a lot more of that now that regular folks can't come here and sell like they used to in the past...

It's legit those regular folk that are responsible for the uniqueness of this website! You don't get to see them on player up or g2 g, and very soon you won't get to see them here at either.

You asked me before to list you some actual alternatives instead of being negative lol but I already did , page 1 or 2 of this thread if you cared enough...

Either way you're still asking for too much, it's not my job or responsibility to think of a solution for you guys to use but if I see a bad one being pushed you're damn right I'm gonna let you know about it!

This is the worst one yet , there were plenty other solutions that could have been explored like limit thread count - force TG untill account is few months old or verified, etc... But to limit everyone from posting entirely? Wow , makes me seriously think this change is all about gathering IDs and presenting them to verify for god knows what nefarious reasons, if it was about safety or anything there were countless other solutions less draconian than this!

 

[RedSnowman]

did not ask them to leave feedback

Why bother people?

 

[Fluentcee]

Why bother people?

If you provide good service, most buyers are happy to leave feedback. It's just good business.

 

[RedSnowman]

If you provide good service, most buyers are happy to leave feedback. It's just good business.

And they will do it without asking. Its their choice.

 

[Adoxia]

So why do it then?

I legit don't feel like inviting any more people to this site after this change - Imagine I find a good deal on discord or whatever game forum out there? In the past you could invite the seller to open up epic NPC account and buy whatever it is they are selling via TG ( Sure they had to verify phone but nowadays everyone has it with them and it's not too big of a deal )

But after this change?? hahaha

It's already a hurdle to move someone to unknown website, with to them unknown middleman... Even ask them to provide their ID, selfie and what not to verify? Yea not gonna happen

That's what you're failing to see , this change has far wider impacts than any of you considered - what used to be a casual website for newcomers to come and use is turning into a shxthole

We have already stated the reasons behind the changes several times. Whether people believe it or not is up to them. If people believe its a bad change or a good change is also up to them. We aren't forcing people to like the change.

We have weighted the good and bad for much longer than most of the people posting in this thread. I will also reiterate that we have tried every possible change to lower the amount of scammers that had very little affect prior to having to make this change. If everyone here thinks they know better then feel free to use the contact us button and suggest better changes to make the website more secure as that would be the only way to revert this change. Not sitting here using the retail scare tactics of not being a "customer"(user) here or recommending people to come here.

Edit: Also your entire point of bringing someone here for one sale through trade guardian literally is pointless. Users can create a guest account and verify their phone number and do the sale through trade guardian without ever creating a thread. Which means they would never need to verify their account.

 

[Fluentcee]

And they will do it without asking. Its their choice.

I mean sure, but if you ask they'll leave it more often. It's your personal way of doing things not to ask but it's definitely less effective. Whatever works for you though.

 

[deu8n]

Edit: Also your entire point of bringing someone here for one sale through trade guardian literally is pointless. Users can create a guest account and verify their phone number and do the sale through trade guardian without ever creating a thread. Which means they would never need to verify their account.

Whatever that wasn't the point , it was simply sharing of the feelings and I'm glad to know there's still possibility of a guest acc which was my legit concern - "not some cheap tactic" as you'd like to call it. You guys are seriously making a big mistake, climb down from your ego and try to be more open to some of the suggestions that are being proposed.

If everyone here thinks they know better then feel free to use the contact us button and suggest better changes to make the website more secure as that would be the only way to revert this change.

Check the updated post again and send it via contact us button cuz I don't know where to find it and honestly don't care enough to search at this point.... Mike is checking this thread daily, let's not pretend he didn't see all suggestions already?

 

[Adoxia]

Whatever that wasn't the point , it was simply sharing of the feelings and I'm glad to know there's still possibility of a guest acc.


Check the updated post again and send it via contact us button cuz I don't know where to find it and honestly don't care enough to search at this point.... Mike is checking this thread daily, let's not pretend he didn't see all suggestions already?

The entire change is that to post a thread you need to be verified. That is literally the entire change. We are not removing guest accounts, people can still create TG transactions without verifying both users.

That was the entire point of your post. You aren't stating an opinion on how you feel. You are stating scare tactics to try and revert the change and then make up as many excuses on what "nefarious purposes" we have. Then I iterated to you to suggest changes. To which you deflect by using a cop-out stating how its not your responsibility as seen in your edited post prior to this one.

The contact us button is at the bottom of the website. Again this was also answered as to why we want users to use the contact us button for security changes. Clearly we aren't going to just publicly discuss details of security changes for everyone to simply read and know how to work around.

For someone that seems so passionate about this change. I don't see you wanting to recommend any good changes.

You state "Forced TG" and limited thread counts. Both would be heavily hated by the community. I'm pretty sure forced trade guardian would be the most hated change of the two by far. Limited thread counts would have little to no effect as well. It seems that you don't think of the changes that you suggest yourself. I can easily point out tons of negatives that would be had with these changes.

People are free to have opinions. However, keep it within the realm of factual information. Not making up non-sense to fit your agenda.

 

[deu8n]

I'll ignore the upper portion of your post , you figure out why cuz I don't feel like explaining!

You state "Forced TG" and limited thread counts. Both would be heavily hated by the community. I'm pretty sure forced trade guardian would be the most hated change of the two by far. Limited thread counts would have little to no effect as well. It seems that you don't think of the changes that you suggest yourself. I can easily point out tons of negatives that would be had with these changes.

People are free to have opinions. However, keep it within the realm of factual information. Not making up non-sense to fit your agenda.

I don't agree about your opinions at all:

Limit thread count makes the scammer only able to scam on a single thread vs being able to list multiple scan threads(Let's not talk about scams in private chat when even guests are able to communicate there )

And you're straight up delusional if you think forced TG is the most hated change while ignoring all the negative feedback here! (90% on this thread if not a lot more people that choose not to comment)

I legit think that all of us would understand, that unless you want to verify you are going to be forced to use the TG - it is by all means much more user friendly than what you're doing right now. And it can even be only temporary untill account is old/reputable enough.

You talk about choice while offering no alternative to verifying! Not even TG only like I proposed , you straight up alienate all the people that don't want to verify and offer them no choice but to leave the website?

None of the changes are perfect in any mean , and I think you won't be able to find a perfect option either cuz there will always be fokin scammers! Instead pay attention to how you treat your actual users, you are making us suffer while you play a game of chasing scammers

 

[Adoxia]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

I'll ignore the upper portion of your post , you figure out why cuz I don't feel like explaining!

I don't agree about your opinions at all:

Limit thread count makes the scammer only able to scam on a single thread vs being able to list !multiple scan threads(Let's not talk private chat when even guests are able to communicate there)

And you're straight up delusional if you think fprced TG is the most hated change while ignoring all the negative feedback here! (90% on this thread if not a lot more people that choose not to comment)

I legit think that all of us would understand, that unless you want to verify you are going to be forced to use the TG - it is by all means much more user friendly than what you're doing right now. And it can even be only temporary untill account is old/reputable enough.

You talk about choice while offering no alternative to verifying! Not even TG only like I proposed , you straight up alienate all the people that don't want to verify and offer them no choice but to leave the website?

If we created forced TG. Here's a small list of changes that would have to follow.

We would be forced to ban users that don't use it and attempt to do the deals off-site similar to how most other marketplaces work.
We would force everyone to remove discord or any other means of communication from their threads.

These two alone would make people hate that change but lets continue.

Trades will take significantly longer with forced TG.
Some games aren't supported with trade guardian as they are very high risk of either the accounts being banned/locked.
People would not be able to easily offer services as we would have no way of Middlemanning it.

While this change would have a very positive effect against scamming the cons are way worse then the verification change.

So we should just allow the scammers to only have one scam thread? This is pretty obvious on why it is not going to help or atleast help very little. Its not removing the problem but attempting to very slightly band-aid it.

I have not said anything about choice on this change. I believe I even said this change will be going live and already has. The only thing I have been iterating over and over is that people are free to their opinions on the change and if they believe they have a suggestion that could combat scammers better than this change to use the contact us button to suggest it to an admin. If we had a better option we would not have to make this change.

 

[deu8n]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

If we created forced TG. Here's a small list of changes that would have to follow.

We would be forced to ban users that don't use it and attempt to do the deals off-site similar to how most other marketplaces work.
We would force everyone to remove discord or any other means of communication from their threads.

These two alone would make people hate that change but lets continue.

If you actually took the time to think of solutions instead of how to refute me you'd realise:

You can make a big disclaimer - "Trade with caution, newbie seller that hasn't been verified. Don't trade via discord when you can use TG instead for free!"

Then force the seller to eat the TG fee... not perfect for the seller but whatever they still have the option to jack up the price or verify...

As for banning for noncompliance... wow, that's where your mind is headed...
If the people still get scammed after such disclaimer that's 100% on them, you can ban the seller for the actual scam if you want - but to ban them for posting discord... no?

So we should just allow the scammers to only have one scam thread? This is pretty obvious on why it is not going to help or atleast help very little. Its not removing the problem but attempting to very slightly band-aid it.

There's no perfect solution either. While veriff will cut down the number of scammers there are also other ways to achieve similar results , and soon who knows how effective veriff will be when it's already simple to bypass by many means already listed on this thread (With many more on the way)

 

[Adoxia]

If you actually took the time to think of solutions instead of how to refute me you'd realise:

You can make a big disclaimer - "Trade with caution, newbie seller that hasn't been verified. Don't trade via discord when you can use TG instead for free!"

Then force the seller to eat the TG fee... not perfect for the seller but whatever they still have the option to jack up the price or verify...

As for banning for noncompliance... wow, that's where your mind is headed...
If the people still get scammed after such disclaimer that's 100% on them, you can ban the seller for the actual scam if you want - but to ban them for posting discord... no?

There's no perfect solution either. While veriff will cut down the number of scammers there are also other ways to achieve similar results , and soon who knows how effective veriff will be when it's already simple to bypass by many means already listed on this thread (With many more on the way)

This is the norm of most marketplaces. Banning users that initiate a trade and then take it off-site.

We already have tons of warnings that no one reads.

I agree there is no perfect solution. This same argument can be applied to any change.

We have attempted many changes that have already been thought of. We do not know of any better changes.

Again, if you think you know of good changes feel free to use the contact us button. However, I'm not going to bother arguing these points with you anymore as you don't seem to think them all the way through. You aren't bothering to understand the pros and cons of changes. Nor are you bothering to think of the other changes that would also be required.

Edit: This is literally a policy from another marketplace.
Offsite Trading

• We do not permit members to post personal contact information (e.g. skype, email, QQ, etc.) on <hidden> via onsite message or for-sale offer content, with the intention of moving a transaction outside of <hidden>. This policy is in place to protect our buyers and sellers from being scammed

 

[AgentSmith]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

If we have enough evidence without having to investigate we will ban a user. However, we will not sit and constantly ask for evidence.

no you wont lol, as soon as it goes to discord its free to scam, i posted on a scam thread yesterday as i was in contact with the buyer who got scammed, he literally provided all the proof and epicnpc cm was like nope discord = could be fake. A literal joke

 

[Adoxia]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

no you wont lol, as soon as it goes to discord its free to scam, i posted on a scam thread yesterday as i was in contact with the buyer who got scammed, he literally provided all the proof and epicnpc cm was like nope discord = could be fake. A literal joke

I see you posted in a feedback dispute here: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/false-negative-feedback.2877534/#post-9740149

The only evidence that seems to have been submitted was a private message showing a discord username was sent and from the CMs reply the only evidence that was sent in private was a crypto payment. From the users reply all the discord messages were deleted.

So a discord username and a random crypto payment should be enough for a ban?

The issue is that anyone could ask a seller for their discord username, claim they were scammed, and then submit a fake payment.

I do not see enough evidence in that thread. If we went by your standard of banning then a lot of sellers would be banned by their competition faking this information.

 

[AgentSmith]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

I see you posted in a feedback dispute here: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/false-negative-feedback.2877534/#post-9740149

The only evidence that seems to have been submitted was a private message showing a discord username was sent and from the CMs reply the only evidence that was sent in private was a crypto payment. From the users reply all the discord messages were deleted.

So a discord username and a random crypto payment should be enough for a ban?

The issue is that anyone could ask a seller for their discord username, claim they were scammed, and then submit a fake payment.

I do not see enough evidence in that thread. If we went by your standard of banning then a lot of sellers would be banned by their competition faking this information.

there is no issue, the buyer was scammed, seller gave him his crypto wallet on discord and deleted all the messages. Looking at his previous scam attempts and successes it doesn't take very high iq to determine if the scam is real or fake. I have personally traded with the buyer that posted a thread and he is legit . This site is a joke, pretending to be a marketplace when its just a scam fest forum. Well closer to an attempt now, to make it into a marketplace. I don't really care either way, but the incompetence of some staff here is unreal.

 

[Adoxia]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

there is no issue, the buyer was scammed, seller gave him his crypto wallet on discord and deleted all the messages. Looking at his previous scam attempts and successes it doesn't take very high iq to determine if the scam is real or fake. I have personally traded with the buyer that posted a thread and he is legit . This site is a joke, pretending to be a marketplace when its just a scam fest forum. Well closer to an attempt now, to make it into a marketplace. I don't really care either way, but the incompetence of some staff here is unreal.

Again, there is not enough evidence. We do not ban on assumptions. While some cases are more probably of being a scam then other we need evidence. Which was not provided in that thread. Which as you can see can easily be hidden by discord which is why we don’t investigate them anymore.

We have warnings stated in multiple spaces that specifically state “We do not investigate discord disputes” and that it is use at your own risk. So I do not know why users have an expectation of us investigating these issues. When they can clearly read the signs.

 

[AgentSmith]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Again, there is not enough evidence. We do not ban on assumptions. While some cases are more probably of being a scam then other we need evidence. Which was not provided in that thread. Which as you can see can easily be hidden by discord which is why we don’t investigate them anymore.

Yeah then forbid sellers to send their discord in dms. Like literally any other marketplace does, problem solved . Until that is that it will always be , it was just a discord "scam" bro . The id verification being done before that is absurd , like wtf lol?

 

[Adoxia]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Yeah then forbid sellers to send their discord in dms. Like literally any other marketplace does, problem solved . Until that is that it will always be , it was just a discord "scam" bro . The id verification being done before that is absurd , like wtf lol?

We would have to completely remove/ban all of discord from threads and DMs which at one point was considered. However, the community was heavily opposed to that change.

Edit: after the community was so heavily negative we decided to un-censor discord and instead switched to discord is use at your own risk and that we will only ban if there is irrefutable evidence without the need for investigation.

 

[ZZreroll.com]

Since we need to verified in order to create a thread, why leaving a feedback do not need to be verify? Isn't this also part of the scammer abuse as well? It is very weird.

 

[valkyriene]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

I can see the main core of problem here, getting scammed, here is the thing and let me say it again, your TG price for a middleman service is TOO EXPENSIVE, that's being said everyone aside from the US/EU are more reluctant to do the transaction here and most of them ended up either using their local trusted middleman service (usually on Facebook) OR getting scammed on obviously Discord. How did you know that they are trusted? Simple, one, they are famous locally and got a verified profile, two, they have done hundreds or even thousands of transactions (yes mostly local and tons of testimonies from years way way back), and lastly, they only asked for an ID if the sum is HUGE, for example more than $1,000 or even $100,000 (I knew one of my local middlemen did this sum).

So, if I can give a feedback regarding this,
1. LOWER your TG middleman price
2. Make your own Discord TG middleman service, it's easy, low cost, and most of the sellers here obviously will support your server anyway (modern problem needs modern solution)
Trade Guardian is recommended. EpicNPC does NOT use Discord. We only investigate disputes if Trade Guardian is used. <<<< THIS IS THE PROBLEM ALSO THE SOLUTION
3. ID is required ONLY IF the transaction between sum of xx , ID required both sellers and buyers
(trusted sellers will only have to submit once since you have a database of them anyway, buyers data will idk stored in your trusted server?
BUT frequent buyers let's say the buyers who are active to do transaction at least once per month will only have to submit once in a year or 6 months idk and got their data deleted afterwards and need to renew it)
*Idk about the ID stuff since it's very sensitive so manage your own easy rule, I'm just saying based on my experience since 2016

That's it, this platform will still be going on like it used to, new feature with Discord as main communication platform (chatting through forum is kinda outdated anyway)
also easy to spot on if there are scammers since the ID can't be the exact numbers, and buyers can always be noted to double check here and there,
I mean how hard it is to lower your price and gets more people coming here to use your service anyway since the forum has been yearssss around, like come on~

Hope this helps but if it's not, just ignore it, I'm leaving anyway if creating a thread needs another ID submission, it's ridonkulous,
good luck

 

[Adoxia]

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I can see the main core of problem here, getting scammed, here is the thing and let me say it again, your TG price for a middleman service is TOO EXPENSIVE, that's being said everyone aside from the US/EU are more reluctant to do the transaction here and most of them ended up either using their local trusted middleman service (usually on Facebook) OR getting scammed on obviously Discord. How did you know that they are trusted? Simple, one, they are famous locally and got a verified profile, two, they have done hundreds or even thousands of transactions (yes mostly local and tons of testimonies from years way way back), and lastly, they only asked for an ID if the sum is HUGE, for example more than $1,000 or even $100,000 (I knew one of my local middlemen did this sum).

So, if I can give a feedback regarding this,
1. LOWER your TG middleman price
2. Make your own Discord TG middleman service, it's easy, low cost, and most of the sellers here obviously will support your server anyway (modern problem needs modern solution)
3. ID is required ONLY IF the transaction between sum of xx , ID required both sellers and buyers
(trusted sellers will only have to submit once since you have a database of them anyway, buyers data will idk stored in your trusted server?
BUT frequent buyers let's say the buyers who are active to do transaction at least once per month will only have to submit once in a year or 6 months idk and got their data deleted afterwards and need to renew it)
*Idk about the ID stuff since it's very sensitive so manage your own easy rule, I'm just saying based on my experience since 2016

That's it, this platform will still be going on like it used to, new feature with Discord as main communication platform (chatting through forum is kinda outdated anyway)
also easy to spot on if there are scammers since the ID can't be the exact numbers, and buyers can always be noted to double check here and there,
I mean how hard it is to lower your price and gets more people coming here to use your service anyway since the forum has been yearssss around, like come on~

Hope this helps but if it's not, just ignore it, I'm leaving anyway if creating a thread needs another ID submission, it's ridonkulous,
good luck

I do not have time to reply to everything here but we will never use discord. We attempted this once and was mass reported. This caused every mod to be banned by discord and the removal of the legitimate server while they left all the scam servers up.

We have a free trade guardian option.

As for the MM fee its pretty much as low as it can reasonably go.

 

[Adoxia]

Since we need to verified in order to create a thread, why leaving a feedback do not need to be verify? Isn't this also part of the scammer abuse as well? It is very weird.

Typically we catch fake feedback fairly fast.
Also a new one time buyer likely will not go through the verification steps to leave a feedback. So the means you would lose a lot of positive feedback opportunities.

 

[deu8n]

Typically we catch fake feedback fairly fast.
Also a new one time buyer likely will not go through the verification steps to leave a feedback. So the means you would lose a lot of positive feedback opportunities.

A new one time seller also ain't that likely to go through this whole charade either but whatever. It's obvious that you're picking sides by now

 

[Adoxia]

A new one time seller also ain't that likely to go through this whole charade either but whatever. It's obvious that you're picking sides by now

I think you need to re-read the original post. This change affects buyers and sellers. We aren’t picking sides. No one can create a thread unless they are verified. Both seller and buyer can both post feedback without being verified.

As far as new sellers we are aware some won’t stay. You shouldn’t contradict yourself by saying whatever while continuing this charade of troll post.

 

[Qiqi AP]

Can I ask about something ? I want to re-verify and I come from Indonesia, can I use my driver's license to do the verification ?

 

[EpicNPC]

Can I ask about something ? I want to re-verify and I come from Indonesia, can I use my driver's license to do the verification ?

Yes, that is accepted.

 

[EastLin]

Yes, that is accepted.

How about Chinese identity card？

 

[Yunelia]

Would you consider letting us post buying threads without verification?

I'm here primarily as a customer now and I find accounts better when sellers reach out to me.

This is also harming your buyer economy. I do NOT want to be identified as a ToS violator IRL, considering that the majority of the products here do in fact violate the ToS of their respective game/platform.

 

[EpicNPC]

I'm sorry, but we cannot support China at all anymore due to new Chinese regulations.

We can longer verify any information from China, including phone and ID. Anyone from China will no longer be able to sell here. I'm sorry, there is no work around.

We will not be able to support China until regulations are loosened. Sorry.

Would you consider letting us post buying threads without verification?

No, this would result in a massive amount of abuse. Sorry.

 

[Yunelia]

I'm sorry, but we cannot support China at all anymore due to new Chinese regulations.

We can longer verify any information from China, including phone and ID. Anyone from China will no longer be able to sell here. I'm sorry, there is no work around.

We will not be able to support China until regulations are loosened. Sorry.


No, this would result in a massive amount of abuse. Sorry.

That is extremely unfortunate to hear, but thank you for the quick response.

 

[EastLin]

I'm sorry, but we cannot support China at all anymore due to new Chinese regulations.

We can longer verify any information from China, including phone and ID. Anyone from China will no longer be able to sell here. I'm sorry, there is no work around.

We will not be able to support China until regulations are loosened. Sorry.


No, this would result in a massive amount of abuse. Sorry.

How about Chinese passport

 

[EpicNPC]

As of last year we no longer have the ability to verify phone numbers due to new Chinese regulations. I'm sorry, we can no longer support sellers from China.

 

[EastLin]

As of last year we no longer have the ability to verify phone numbers due to new Chinese regulations. I'm sorry, we can no longer support sellers from China.

it's that means I can't be a seller on epicnpc anymore

 

[EastLin]

it's that means I can't be a seller on epicnpc anymore

I still have 13800 Credit in my epicnpc account

 

[wqnxy]

I am a bit confused, you say that all the ID related >>>private<<< data is available only for the admins of eNPC / veriff and then you state that the profile data will updated based on ID data, so all your private data still becomes public? Eh?

We assume many members entered random information for the DOB. When you verify, it will overwrite the DOB on your EpicNPC account based on the ID.

 

[Adoxia]

I am a bit confused, you say that all the ID related >>>private<<< data is available only for the admins of eNPC / veriff and then you state that the profile data will updated based on ID data, so all your private data still becomes public? Eh?

I’m not sure what you are asking exactly. DOB on users accounts are only viewable by admins. None of the mods or other users can view the DOBs on user accounts.

I’m assuming you are referencing the verification updating peoples dob to their IDs dob based off the quoted response.

 

[EpicNPC]

I am a bit confused, you say that all the ID related >>>private<<< data is available only for the admins of eNPC / veriff and then you state that the profile data will updated based on ID data, so all your private data still becomes public? Eh?

When a user registers we ask for their date of birth. We assume many members are putting random information.

When that member then verifies their account, we take the DOB from the ID and update that information on their EpicNPC account so it's accurate.

 

[Angel]

I'm sorry, but we cannot support China at all anymore due to new Chinese regulations.

We can longer verify any information from China, including phone and ID. Anyone from China will no longer be able to sell here. I'm sorry, there is no work around.

We will not be able to support China until regulations are loosened. Sorry.

Is this includes Hong Kong?

 

[wqnxy]

When a user registers we ask for their date of birth. We assume many members are putting random information.

When that member then verifies their account, we take the DOB from the ID and update that information on their EpicNPC account so it's accurate.

I indicated only the correct month and date during registration, the year is random. And its same pattern i use for all the sites i register at - real month/date, fake year (and its always different year each time too lol).
I am here for years now, doin a trade here and there (maybe like 10 successful trades in what? 7 years?) and only trades from this year has a feedback (cuz i never bother to ask for it, cuz i never thought ill ever return back to do another trade/sell/deal) and i really dont like the changes. And seemingly i am not the only one not liking it :/

All of that thing

we take the DOB from the ID and update that information on their EpicNPC account so it's accurate

makes piece of the private data (date of birth ibn that case) - public.