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Date that scamming took place: Sept 20th, 2010
Method of Contact Used: AIM
Instant Messenger ID of scammer: kevvvin1992
Your Instant Messenger ID: evermessenger
MMOBAY Account of Scammer: Big Time Gamer
Other information:
Scam Information
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What was scammed?: ROM (Runes of Magic) Account
Link of trade thread: http://vbforums.mmobay.net/accounts...unt-58-50-rogue-scout-37k-hp-21kpatt-pvp.html
Approximate value of scammed property: $325 USD
Was a middleman used?: No
If yes, who?:
Describe how you were scammed: Had been trying to sell this account for a while. Guy seemed very interested and had good offer. I decided to trust him because he was TrustWho verified.
Other details / notes:
Proof
Proof You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
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I have more chat logs from in inquiring previously and I was not willing to deal with his lack of feedback but these are the logs from today in which the scam took place
Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the trade?: Yes / No : Yes, there was nothing to indicate he was a blatent scammer. Just seemed like he was a newer user and he was also TWV, which is the only reason I even considered this.
Have you traded with this person before?: Yes / No : No
Approximately how many trades have you done on MMOBAY?: 20+ over many years on Markee Dragon.
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Date that scamming took place: Sept 20th, 2010
Method of Contact Used: AIM
Instant Messenger ID of scammer: kevvvin1992
Your Instant Messenger ID: evermessenger
MMOBAY Account of Scammer: Big Time Gamer
Other information:
Scam Information
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What was scammed?: ROM (Runes of Magic) Account
Link of trade thread: http://vbforums.mmobay.net/accounts...unt-58-50-rogue-scout-37k-hp-21kpatt-pvp.html
Approximate value of scammed property: $325 USD
Was a middleman used?: No
If yes, who?:
Describe how you were scammed: Had been trying to sell this account for a while. Guy seemed very interested and had good offer. I decided to trust him because he was TrustWho verified.
Other details / notes:
Proof
Proof You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
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kevvvin1992: hey
kevvvin1992: well yea my offer still stands if you take it just hit me up
kevvvin1992: and if you forgot im the TWV poster thats offer was $250 paypal gift but we do it by first we change email/pw then i send then you give me the info i would require to recover it if anything went rong (creation details etc.)
kevvvin1992: and as i said before reason for this is because i have been scammed twice within past 3 week (both from wow accounts but still it sucked lost around $600)
kevvvin1992: and the one other thing i would ask is i am installing runes of magic as we speak (on my desktop since cant dl it on my mac) and would like you to kinda teach me how to play if thats alright
kevvvin1992: anyways hit me up if still interested if not its fine
kevvvin1992: you get my messages?
kevvvin1992: hey
kevvvin1992: u there?
Shawn: I'm here
Shawn: What's up?
kevvvin1992: hey u get my messages?
Shawn: let me scroll up
kevvvin1992: ok
kevvvin1992: its the first few ones
kevvvin1992: if you dont like the offer its fine
kevvvin1992: just want to start a newgame fully immersed in an endgame character
kevvvin1992: and not have to start over again
Shawn: ya, we talked about this before - I'm the guy with loads of reputation - I'm not going to be able to give you anything first, there's no reaspon to- if you got scammed, it wasn't by anyone with 20 something all positive rep
kevvvin1992: just tell me no if you do not want to, that is the only method i will use for transactions atm too freaked out with all the scams happening
kevvvin1992: and i know
kevvvin1992: i understand
kevvvin1992: well i guess if you reconsider hit me up
kevvvin1992: id even be willin to maybe throw in an extra $25 at end
kevvvin1992: but yea i understand where you're coming from just im freaked and i know you have a lot of rep but still i have to be cautious with my money now
Shawn: ya, there's no way I'm going to trust someone that's new to the site over them trusting me, a veteren of many years with a ton of positive feedback - I mean just think about that... you know for sure I'm trustworthy, I don't know squat about you... it just doesn't make any sense man.. sorry
kevvvin1992: yea im sory just been scammed recently and need to be cautious with my money
Shawn: link me your thread where someone scammed you
kevvvin1992: and main reason is i cant get the paypal account back
kevvvin1992: and ok
Shawn: you can't get the 'account' back?
Shawn: paypal account?
kevvvin1992: (Link: http://vbforums.mmobay.net/runescap...ling-items/397486-lvl-127-runescape-main.html
kevvvin1992: the money back
kevvvin1992: my bad
kevvvin1992: i would send as a gift
kevvvin1992: and i bought that rs acc from diff website
kevvvin1992: then put it up for trade
kevvvin1992: got it stolen
kevvvin1992: then i get it back
kevvvin1992: it is recalled
kevvvin1992: kinda ****ed me over
kevvvin1992: now i ave nothing
kevvvin1992: and yes i did try to act tough
Shawn: ok, check this out - you're talking about someone here that JUST registered, with 1 post and comparing them to me...
Shawn: I've been on the site for years - I have over 20 positive feedback, for deals that range from in the hundreds to more than 1000 dollars and I have no one ever calling me a scammer
kevvvin1992: i know i know
Shawn: if you really wanted to do this deal...
kevvvin1992: im sorry but i cant afford any mistakes atm i trust you its not a trust thing more about me
Shawn: all you'd have to do is stop expecting me to trust a guy that just registered in Aug with 0 feedback, you can't expect me to give you something first...
kevvvin1992: yea i understand one qustoin i hae tho
kevvvin1992: is isnt it like wow?
kevvvin1992: what could i gain from being able to play the acc when you could just get it back
kevvvin1992: when i could never get my money back
kevvvin1992: that is my main thing
Shawn: no
Shawn: ROM accounts are super difficult to get back
Shawn: part of the reason this transaction is so far
Shawn: plus once you trade a ROM account there is loads of damage that can happen
kevvvin1992: like what?
Shawn: you can take all of the characters uber gear, turn it in to mana stones and sell the mana stones and put the gold on another account
Shawn: for 1
kevvvin1992: mana stones?
Shawn: yep, it's like disenchanting
Shawn: in WoW
kevvvin1992: oo
Shawn: except Mana Stone are crazy uber and worth a lot
kevvvin1992: that would be a waste
kevvvin1992: wouldnt somone rather have the acc?
Shawn: well, it's esentially how you upgrade gear in that game
kevvvin1992: upgrade gear?
kevvvin1992: god im a little lost
kevvvin1992: lol
kevvvin1992: still installin game
Shawn: yes, I'd say the account is worth more like that, but a scammer trying to make a quick buck that's worried about an eventual recall could do that
kevvvin1992: oo ok i gotcha well yea i understand your side now but im sorry to say i still cant change my side due to internal conflict inside me lol i understand if you dont wanna do it was just throwing it out there
kevvvin1992: well good luck man
kevvvin1992: if you ever reconsider just hit me up if i havent found another account by then
Shawn: maybe if you get some positive feedback, feel free to hit me up, I may consider something else, but right now, you'd need to be the one trusting me, not the other way around - it's the only way it makes any sense at all for me
Shawn: take care
kevvvin1992: ok
kevvvin1992: and yea ill get the guy i sold cd keys to to give me some rep
Shawn: nope, your feedback score is 0
Shawn: no one has ever given you any rep
Shawn: and since they stopped allowing rep threats before you had even registered, I'm sure it's not there
kevvvin1992: i said i am going to have him give me rep from the transaction
kevvvin1992: didnt ask when we did
Shawn: oh, misunderstood
Shawn: Didn't you tell me last time that your friend stole all of your money out of Paypal?
kevvvin1992: yea got him to pay me back half of it
kevvvin1992: hes workin other half off
kevvvin1992: works at del taco so will take al ittle bit to get it all back
Shawn: and you offered me 350 last time, not 250
Shawn: I think that's why I was more willing to deal
Shawn: 350 would be a good offer for this account
kevvvin1992: You have been disconnected.
Session Close (kevvvin1992): Tue Sep 21 06:34:17 2010 0800
Session Start (evermessenger:kevvvin1992): Tue Sep 21 06:36:52 2010 0800
Shawn: sorry, got DC'd
Shawn: but ya, your offer was 350 before, here's the log:
Shawn: Shawn: they actually just recenty opened level 60, but 58 was the max until just recently yes
kevvvin1992: and my offer is 350
Shawn: I just recently stopped playing though
kevvvin1992: and would have one main request
Shawn: so, that's a good offer, 250 is more, just meh..
Shawn: I mean, I'd prob sell for that but it's nothing exciting
kevvvin1992: lol fine sec lemme go deposit some money in bank
kevvvin1992: ill up it to 325
kevvvin1992: and he is submitting feedback for me as we speak
Shawn: what I can do for you is this, you can send me half up front and I can then give you the account then you send the other half that way we're both bearing some risk
Shawn: fair?
kevvvin1992: that was your offer last time but i told you i honestly can only do my offer due to just myself worrying about scams
kevvvin1992: and i dont think your a scammer!
kevvvin1992: and there
kevvvin1992: got rep
Shawn: you 'know' I'm not a scammer, that's why I'm puzzled..
Shawn: it's 100% sure I'm no scammer...
kevvvin1992: no one is 100% no scammer.. lol
kevvvin1992: trust me many ppl have been banned who were repped as ****
Shawn: yes, people that have been trading for a long *** time with the rep to back it, are not scammer, you look at the scam threads and show me someone with my feedback scamming someone
Shawn: it doesn't happen
kevvvin1992: heres one
kevvvin1992: wasnt exactly a scam... but he was banned
kevvvin1992: (Link: http://vbforums.mmobay.net/scammers...0-account-recalled-4-days-after-purchase.html
kevvvin1992: aim_johnboyy805
kevvvin1992: (Link: http://vbforums.mmobay.net/members/duplemo.html)http://vbforums.mmobay.net/members/duplemo.html
kevvvin1992: duplemo
Shawn: that first one seems more like someone dealing with a friends account or something more than someone who intensionally scammed
kevvvin1992: first one was that the aim johnboyy805
kevvvin1992: traded for an account
kevvvin1992: then sold the account he had recieved
kevvvin1992: then that account was recalled by oo
kevvvin1992: and johnboyy805 is banned until he can refund the guy
kevvvin1992: (have no idea why he would considering why pay $200 for an mmobay account)
kevvvin1992: and of which he had nothing to do with what occured he was just the man stuck in the middle
Shawn: well, someone may pay for an mmobay account just for the purposes of scamming a few accounts and making more off of scamming operations.. I duno
kevvvin1992: lol trust me i know firsthand from the johnboyy805 account
kevvvin1992: >.>
kevvvin1992: if you havent caught on yet...
Shawn: alright fine - because I'm sick of selling, I'll put a little trust in to you, since have have the TWV, I guess it gives me a 'little comfort' even though it doesn't assure me you're not a scammer yourself at least I can involved Trustwho if anything does go wrong
kevvvin1992: kinda got ****ed over from scammers
Shawn: so what is your proposal?
kevvvin1992: first we have a vent convo next we change pw/email to mine then i send payment as a GIFT and then you give me the rest of info i would need in order to recover so that i can actually have it (need creation details and oo name and stuff i believe)
Shawn: what creation details?
kevvvin1992: like when it was created
kevvvin1992: from where
kevvvin1992: and what internet provider was used
kevvvin1992: and the name used to create it
kevvvin1992: and stuff like that
kevvvin1992: dont worry not gonna ask for your cc details
kevvvin1992: lol
Shawn: gimme a minute
kevvvin1992: ok that is fine
kevvvin1992: ill brb in 5 as well gotta go deposit the extra $75 into bank acc so paypal can use it
kevvvin1992: brb
kevvvin1992: ok on mobile drivin to nearest atm
Shawn: Also, just to confirm, we will NOT be doing any echeck stuff
kevvvin1992: yea i know
kevvvin1992: ok at the atm deposting money
kevvvin1992: done omw back
Shawn: ok
kevvvin1992: back
Shawn: Ok
Shawn: Ok, so soon as we change email over to you, you will be sending my payment, correct?
kevvvin1992: yes
Shawn: ok, please don't **** me - I really need the cash and I really don't want to have to go through recovering this account
kevvvin1992: we will change email on the frogster account (the rom account) and the password and as soon as i see it has confirmed i will send payment via gift and then you will give me the rest of info
Shawn: fine
kevvvin1992: so whenever you are ready
Shawn: alright, so, the login to frogster is: uberrogue123
Shawn: password: havefun321
kevvvin1992: ok im in next to change email
Shawn: go for it, I'll confirm on my end
kevvvin1992: ok
kevvvin1992: submitting change now
Shawn: ok
Shawn: did you submit? I haven't gotten anything
kevvvin1992: yea i did
Shawn: ok confirmed it
kevvvin1992: ok next the pw's for the accounts
Shawn: you can do what ever you want with those from inside the master account
kevvvin1992: o ok
Shawn: you don't need anything from me to change those
kevvvin1992: next lemme log onto paypal
Shawn: just click on game accounts at the top and then change PW
Shawn: under "Account" is the login name you'd put in the ROM client followed by what ever password you create
kevvvin1992: oo ok
kevvvin1992: got it
kevvvin1992: k loggin on paypal
Shawn: iSerenity is the account with the rogue on it
kevvvin1992: ok into paypal (well its doin the gay loading screen
Shawn: my paypal is [email protected]
kevvvin1992: whats your paypal email again?
Shawn: can you send the payment as masspay?
kevvvin1992: masspay?
Shawn: do you have a premier account?
Shawn: should be a masspay tab at the top of your paypal
kevvvin1992: yea i do
kevvvin1992: and o
kevvvin1992: i thought you meant like where you select to send it as a gift
kevvvin1992: was like ???
kevvvin1992: ok sending now
Shawn: ok thanks
kevvvin1992: gosh damnit lol loading page again have to press the submit again
kevvvin1992: sec
kevvvin1992: ok sent
kevvvin1992: will probably take a few minutes to process and be completely sent so while we are waiting mind telin me a little about the game
Shawn: sure, what do you want to know about?
kevvvin1992: well first off and most importantly in the case that i want to resell and get scammed or have a keylogger how can i get it back? and secondly whats the end game like? similar to wow?
Shawn: endgame is a bit different than WoW - a lot of the bosses have a lot less scripting, more tank and spank
Shawn: to get the account back you'd just have to contact support, I honestly have never had to do that so I am not sure what they do
kevvvin1992: hmm ok thats fine
Shawn: there's a few bosses that have stuff you have to do
kevvvin1992: you get payment yet?
Shawn: like for example
kevvvin1992: its coming straight form my bank
Shawn: sec, let me check
kevvvin1992: so mite take a few minutes
Shawn: nope, nothing
kevvvin1992: ok will be there soon
Shawn: I thought bank transfer was instant
kevvvin1992: not from bank account
kevvvin1992: by instant
kevvvin1992: it means you dont have to wait
kevvvin1992: 3 days
kevvvin1992: for money to come in
kevvvin1992: (like to put money from bank account into paypal)
kevvvin1992: bank has to confirm it blah blah blah
Shawn: ah, typically I always have all my money in Paypal so never really had much experience paying for stuff with my bank account via paypal
Shawn: one thing about ROM
Shawn: this is important
Shawn: I suggest you make a new character
Shawn: pay around and level up a bit before jumping on the rogue
Shawn: because if you just jump on the rogue, don't know what you're doing, you could get ganked and lose a valuable piece of gear
Shawn: every time you die in pvp you have a chance to drop gear based on your reputation
Shawn: if you are a hardcore PK, you will drop gear frequently
Shawn: if you only kill PK's (reds) and you have blue rep, you will drop gear much less, but still possible
kevvvin1992: hmm ok
Shawn: still no money
kevvvin1992: just wait lol its coming i promise
Shawn: ok, brb - having a quick smoke
kevvvin1992: ok
Shawn: dang, still no money : /
kevvvin1992: well thank you for the account and payment should be going in shortly by the way there is no way to recover a RoM account considering there is no sqa and everyone can see the details thank you for account and good day
Shawn: huh?
Shawn: If there knew there was no way to recover a ROM account, why all the security?
Shawn: on your end
kevvvin1992: was worried
Shawn: I'm getting kinda worried, I've never had a payment that took this long..
Shawn: can you cut and paste the payment sent from your paypal?
kevvvin1992: ok let me go to comp
Shawn: ya, nothing man...
Shawn: starting to feel like I got scammed here bro...
Shawn: can you just quickly cut and paste the sent line from inside your paypal?
Shawn: why are you not responding now?
Shawn: Hello?...
Shawn: ya, there's nothing there man, no payment and now you won't respond... I guess this is a scam...
Shawn: Ok, so I suppose at this point I have no choice but to call ROM support to get the account back as well as inform Mike that you're a scammer and need your mmobay account banned
kevvvin1992: too bad there is no rom supportt line as i said before it is impossble to recover rom accs
Shawn: So now you're admitting that you scammed me?
kevvvin1992: and ok it wasnt as if u used it anymore i wouldnt take something if they still used it
Shawn: Are you fricking serious man? You're trying to justify stealing the account because you thought I didn't 'use' it anymore?
Shawn: I was only selling the account because I needed cash man... that's really messed up
Shawn: and yes, the accounts are recoverable - just a pain in the ***, there's a few things I didn't mention just incase some crap like this happened
kevvvin1992: and no they arent
kevvvin1992: ive played for a few years been oo and got scammed of one
kevvvin1992: well a year
Shawn: I don't know why I bothered trusting you - it's like I try to be a nice guy some times and it always backfires on me
kevvvin1992: not a few
kevvvin1992: same happened to me
Shawn: I do honest business, never rip anyone off, and I'm like a magnet for the scum of society
Shawn: so you got scammed out of an account so you figured I'll go scam someone else?
kevvvin1992: dude you have no idea how many times ive been scammed
Shawn: have I ever scammed you? What did I do to you?
Shawn: you steal a 300 dollar account from me?
Shawn: You realize that I am also going to contact Trustwho and they do file a criminal report for wirefraud with your local PD
kevvvin1992: i didnt scam you
kevvvin1992: and actually do lol this isnt mine so have fun
Shawn: What ever man... you're a real ****
I have more chat logs from in inquiring previously and I was not willing to deal with his lack of feedback but these are the logs from today in which the scam took place
Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the trade?: Yes / No : Yes, there was nothing to indicate he was a blatent scammer. Just seemed like he was a newer user and he was also TWV, which is the only reason I even considered this.
Have you traded with this person before?: Yes / No : No
Approximately how many trades have you done on MMOBAY?: 20+ over many years on Markee Dragon.
