The buyer said I took the account back, that is not true.

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Epicnpc User ID:JustAlwaysTired
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(the buyer) bought an account form me on Feb ,13.
I log in his google account in order to bind the ffbe account he bought to his google account.
He didn't change the password for google account after that.
about 50 days later , he came to me and accused of me of taking the ffbe account back.
And left a negative feedback,

I loged in his google account on Feb 13, the day he bought the account
his message showed that I log out on Feb 14 ,
He kept saying that I am the only one who knows his google account and password,

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He showed the another log in status, the account was loged in from Canada , I told him I am not from Canada,
he said I would use a vpn ,
but please check the First sign-in date, it was Feb 12 , that is the day before he bought a account from me, (he bought the account on Feb 13)
I didn't even know his password on Feb 12

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He said it himself he made the google account on Feb 12, and that is the first time an unknow device from Canada log in his account,
the point is he gave me the account info on feb 13..... , how can I even login on feb. 12
He also said he doesn't have a galaxy, but look at the picture above
someone login the account on feb. 12 with Samsung Galaxy S9+
it is either he is lying or his google account was compromised.
Either way, it has nothing to do with me because it was Feb 12. the day before he gave me his google account info

his google account got hacked, loged in by someone else and he accused me of log in his google account and try to take the ffbe account back.
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the following picture show that
he contacted me on Feb 12 . (the same day he made a google account)
He bought the account from me on Feb 13

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He also said that he has taken the access to his google account again.

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Time Line Summary
Feb 12.
He contacted me on discord.
He also made a google account.

Feb 13.
He bought an ffbe account from me and sent me his google account info.
I loged in with his google account and bind ffbe account to it
He said he didn't change the password for his google account

April 7
He left me a negative feedback on epicnpc and accused me of taking the account back
He said someone put a phone verification on his google account
He had an issue with it but he managed to take the access back of his google account.
He said I am the only one who knows his google account's password and showed me the google account log in status .
someone loged in on Feb. 12 (the day he made the google account, and it was the day before he sent me his google account info) from Canada
and loged out on March 12, 12:18 PM ,
He assumed that was me using vpn and login his google account ,trying to take back the account

How would I log in his google account before he told me the account and password ????

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the evidence he provided not solid ,Please help me with this negative feedback

 

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[JustAlwaysTired]

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As you can see in our first discord messages, the date was February 12th, 2020. Feb 12th was the first and only day we had a conversation, besides the day I accused him of taking back the account. Screenshot 2 is the evidence of him originally logging into the email (which I made that day, specifically for that game account) so he could link the email account to the game account. Feb 14th he logged into the gmail account with a Taiwanese phone number... which makes no sense because he sold me the account and all was good on the 12th. As you can also see the last time he gained access to the gmail account was on March 12th with the Samsung Galaxy 9, an entire month after our official transaction was over. When I attempted to log back into my gmail account a couple days ago it said I had to verify my phone number code, which I didn't set up. It linked back to Samsung SCH-I679, which is the Taiwanese number. I wasn't able to get a screenshot of it asking me to use the SCH number to gain access out of pure panic, but I can guarantee that was the phone number it asked me for. both of the 2 phone numbers linked here are the only 2 numbers on my account besides my own. I don't own a Samsung. The 12th he clearly used the Galaxy S9 phone to send me the account, and backlogged his own taiwanese phone for later use. I only regained access back because my desktop is what i used to make the account, so i troubleshot the information and regained access. I also double checked the IMEI on the Galaxy S9+ and it's not linked to a real phone, I can only assume because most people play the game on an emulator on PC and play on that.

 

[JustAlwaysTired]

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The official timeline goes like this:
Feb 12th:
1. [email protected] created
2. Sent login information to Stan
3. Transaction completed same day.

Feb 14th:
1.Suspicious Taiwanese phone number gains access to Wintertime gmail

March 12th:
1. Stan logs back into the gmail account for some reason?

April 6th
1. Lose access to my gmail account
2. Attempting relogin there's a phone verification that's a samsung and isn't mine
3. Message him letting him know I know it's him
4. He denies it
5. Negative feedback
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Added proof the gmail account was created the 12th and me saying it was a samsung verification. only 2 phones were linked, one being verified him on the 12th (the galaxy s9) the other being a taiwanese phone.
He attempted to refute it was him by saying the canadian one isn't him but it could only be him because we made the transaction on the 12th, and he linked the gmail on the 12th.

 

[JustAlwaysTired]

The taiwanese phone number is the most suspicious part, and he used him being from taiwan as an excuse to say the canadian one wasn't him (when clearly it was)
It was the 13th for him but the 12th for me. I guess because he's ahead of me time-wise in taiwan?

 

[bigstan123]

1.JustAlwaysTired showed two login screenshot ,the from Taiwan that was me, after I bind ffbe account to his google , I forget to delete his google account on my NOX(I logout 2 days later), but the one login from Canada (Last activity: March 12) that wasn't me. there is show IP address at the bottom, why didn't JustAlwaysTired clicked it and show the IP address.
I guess JustAlwaysTired is more likely from Canada , and that IP address is probably close to his city.
JustAlwaysTired can show that IP address, I will check where the location is, and then Admin here can check JustAlwaysTired 's IP address on epicnpc , to see the locations of these two IP address are close or even in the same city ?
I guess maybe JustAlwaysTired will say I knew where he lives and I use a vpn close to his City.
Anyway, that is just my guess, I could be wrong about the IP thing, I am just trying find some evidence to proof that wasn't me.

2. JustAlwaysTired said I took the account back, but how could I do that (which I didn't do) ?
according to his info, the last unknown login activity was March 12 (which wasn't me, but He said it was me),
he had login issue on April 6th, how about from March 13~ April 5 th ? there is no unknown activity of his google account,
why did the login issue happen on April 6th (24 days after last unknown login activity ).
and why is this on me(blaming me for taking the account back) ?

3. JustAlwaysTired had problem login his google account on April 6th because he saw a phone verification (security check, tap the number on the screen thing)
That means his password of the google account is correct, the security checkup came up is probably he login his google account from different devices.
if the password is incorrect, he couldn't even see any of these .

4. Everything JustAlwaysTired said is all about his google account ...
did the game account he buy from me is gone ,or he can't login his game account anymore ?
I think he still has access to his game account because it is bind to his google account.
If I ever wanted to take back the game account, I would just unbind game account from his google account, then he can say good by to it.
but it didn't happen.

5. from my point of view,
JustAlwaysTired logs in his google account in different device. on April 6th, the security checkup came up (phone verification)
( The password of his google account is still the same,it wasn't changed )
then he fixed the problem and checked the login activity of his google account , he blames everything on me.
Because he said I am the only one knows his password.(why didn't change the password in the first place, none of this would happen!!)
I only login his google with NOX (samsung SCH-I679) on he day he bought the account.
He also assumed the activity with samsung galaxy S9+ was me again because they are all Samsung , even they are different model.
login from Canada is still me using vpn.

I hope that the Admin could check all of the evidence here and clear my name

 

[JustAlwaysTired]

I came into some information that sort of helps Stan in this debate, but still leaves a huge question about how a phone verification ended up on the phone.
I wiped my computer but the day of the transaction and on March 12th I used Nox to login.
That makes Samsung S9+ me.
But... if I wiped my computer so now have no access to an android, how does a phone verification end up on the gmail?
Nox isn't a real phone number emulator, it can only let you make accounts on google to play the game, there's no real phone number associated with it.

Also my bank statement from paypal and our conversation ended on the 12th.
It's possible he logged into Nox by accident on the 14th, but there's no activity before that, so how did he link the account information?

I'm utterly confused at this point.
Nothing adds up now.

At this point I think it's possible I'm wrong, it's just the phone number verification makes no sense anymore.
With this in mind I guess I need to apologize and say sorry.
I have absolutely no clue how it kicked me out of my game account, and then asked me to use a verification from Samsung SCH-I679
I've attempted to look back into all of the logs and none of his logins are coming up, they're not even in activity history for logging into the game to link it so I'm confused.
I've checked detailed history but all information only shows up to April 7th of logins so there's nothing there either.
The only thing I've noticed that's off is that when I added my phone number for 2 step verification it said that my recovery phone number has changed.
I never added one before though.

I'm under the assumption everything is just google not giving proper information + me panicking and instantly accusing him.
I just still don't understand the phone verification part, or being kicked out of the game to relog.
You can update the feedback if needed, remove or neutral it.
Sorry about that.

 

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