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Information
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Purchase Date: 15-11-2021
Date the problem began: 16-11-2021
Method of Contact Used (chat program): Discord/EpicNPC
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: [not the display name, must be real username] Karlley#5332
Your Instant Messenger ID: Descream4#3008
Other information:
DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): None, was initially contacted for a trade
Approximate value of property: $259 USD
Was Trade Guardian used?
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID?
What is the dispute about?
To keep a long story as short as possible, on Monday I purchased an account from @Marx71. Originally he offered to trade for some ingame currency codes, however I refused as these are obviously not refundable. He claimed the Apple ID was deleted so he could not give the info, but it couldn’t be used to log in anymore. Wasn’t entirely convinced that he was being truthful, but since payment would be sent as G&S I figured if he’s lying I’ll refund the payment.
The next day, I notice he has added himself as a friend on the account he sold me. This was after the trade, meaning he still has access and therefore lied about the Apple ID being blocked. I confronted him, but he just kept making up one excuse after the other. Gave him quite some time to fix it, either by refunding the payment or providing the Apple ID info, but he has no intention of doing so. Today, I find out there are other victims as well and that the situation is a bit more complicated than I initially thought.
@Bakuzni has done a few trades with him, exchanging PayPal for crypto. The scammer provided Bakuzni’s email for payment, so my payment was sent to Bakuzni. Bakuzni got paid and decided to in turn pay scammer the agreed upon amount in BTC. Scammer did this multiple times and Bakuzni claims he did not notice the emails all being different until after the 4th transaction. What this means is that if I chargeback the payment, Bakuzni will suffer the losses. He has asked me to give him a day to sort things out on his side, since he will most likely face chargebacks left and right in the next few days. So I give Bakuzni the time he requested.
In the meantime, I messaged @GAMEHOF since I noticed he also traded with scammer and I happen to be familiar with him. He claims that scammer did in fact screw him over as well. So I think there’s little doubt that all of this will be rectified by scammer. He will ask for more time to sort things out, but that’s just him buying time. “I’m struggling irl, but I will make it right”, or whatever excuse they can come up with to hide their subhuman nature.
So everyone who has traded with scammer should probably double check their payment/account. If any issues do arise, it’s probably best to comment here or contact Bakuzni directly since there’s a chance their payment was sent to him directly. An influx of chargebacks against him may result in his PayPal account being limited and the fees PayPal charges the seller for chargebacks do stack up as well.
Other details / notes:
Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):
Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible):
Other proof:
It was both the name of the account that scammer sold me before he changed it (which he did right before the sale) and the name of the account that randomly showed up in the friend list.
The Facebook profile picture used for 2nchy in my friend list also matches the Facebook profile picture the account he sold me had on the 10th of October.
The last I’ve heard of him after stalling for 4 days. Has been online on multiple occasions but has not responded.
Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.
Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof)
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc)
How long did you have the account before it was recalled?
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
(you can use the HIDE tag so the images are not publicly available to everyone)
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If you are not involved, please do not post in the thread.
Here you can find information about our Dispute rules and how we investigate disputes.
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/90442-Dispute-FORUM-RULES
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Purchase Date: 15-11-2021
Date the problem began: 16-11-2021
Method of Contact Used (chat program): Discord/EpicNPC
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: [not the display name, must be real username] Karlley#5332
Your Instant Messenger ID: Descream4#3008
Other information:
DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): None, was initially contacted for a trade
Approximate value of property: $259 USD
Was Trade Guardian used?
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID?
What is the dispute about?
To keep a long story as short as possible, on Monday I purchased an account from @Marx71. Originally he offered to trade for some ingame currency codes, however I refused as these are obviously not refundable. He claimed the Apple ID was deleted so he could not give the info, but it couldn’t be used to log in anymore. Wasn’t entirely convinced that he was being truthful, but since payment would be sent as G&S I figured if he’s lying I’ll refund the payment.
The next day, I notice he has added himself as a friend on the account he sold me. This was after the trade, meaning he still has access and therefore lied about the Apple ID being blocked. I confronted him, but he just kept making up one excuse after the other. Gave him quite some time to fix it, either by refunding the payment or providing the Apple ID info, but he has no intention of doing so. Today, I find out there are other victims as well and that the situation is a bit more complicated than I initially thought.
@Bakuzni has done a few trades with him, exchanging PayPal for crypto. The scammer provided Bakuzni’s email for payment, so my payment was sent to Bakuzni. Bakuzni got paid and decided to in turn pay scammer the agreed upon amount in BTC. Scammer did this multiple times and Bakuzni claims he did not notice the emails all being different until after the 4th transaction. What this means is that if I chargeback the payment, Bakuzni will suffer the losses. He has asked me to give him a day to sort things out on his side, since he will most likely face chargebacks left and right in the next few days. So I give Bakuzni the time he requested.
In the meantime, I messaged @GAMEHOF since I noticed he also traded with scammer and I happen to be familiar with him. He claims that scammer did in fact screw him over as well. So I think there’s little doubt that all of this will be rectified by scammer. He will ask for more time to sort things out, but that’s just him buying time. “I’m struggling irl, but I will make it right”, or whatever excuse they can come up with to hide their subhuman nature.
So everyone who has traded with scammer should probably double check their payment/account. If any issues do arise, it’s probably best to comment here or contact Bakuzni directly since there’s a chance their payment was sent to him directly. An influx of chargebacks against him may result in his PayPal account being limited and the fees PayPal charges the seller for chargebacks do stack up as well.
Other details / notes:
Proof
######################
You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):
Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible):
Other proof:
It was both the name of the account that scammer sold me before he changed it (which he did right before the sale) and the name of the account that randomly showed up in the friend list.
The Facebook profile picture used for 2nchy in my friend list also matches the Facebook profile picture the account he sold me had on the 10th of October.
The last I’ve heard of him after stalling for 4 days. Has been online on multiple occasions but has not responded.
Account Recalls
######################
Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.
Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof)
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc)
How long did you have the account before it was recalled?
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
(you can use the HIDE tag so the images are not publicly available to everyone)
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If you are not involved, please do not post in the thread.
Here you can find information about our Dispute rules and how we investigate disputes.
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/90442-Dispute-FORUM-RULES
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