Scammed by Elefant ( https://www.epicnpc.com/members/elephant05.640331/ )

[harun ta]

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Information
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Purchase Date: 14.12.18
Date the problem begain: 14.12.18
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): Skype
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: liveaepicsell
Your Instant Messenger ID:live:rico6161_3

Other information:


DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc Thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/3-medals-2753-hrs-879-wins-pubg-100-feedbacks.1387858/#post-6129879
Approximate value of property: 80€
Was Trade Guardian: No
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID?

What is the dispute about?
I was looking for a csgo account and I talked with a friend there tell me Elefant is a good Seller so I add the person about skype, and asked him for a csgo account: Prime, 5 years coin and more. He offer me some good account after purchase over skrill did he tell me that I’m a guy where owen him money and that he have Proofs. That’s not true! I was never chatting with him before! I have a real mate his name is pedro and he knows him he is my friend from real live and he tell me Elefant is a good seller he did not tell me that he have to pay Elefant! So i also don’t have a Paypal or skrill account, that’s why I us the skrill account from Pedro my friend! But I never bought a account from this guy! The only thing that i know is that Pedro did many Transactions with him before!
I was waiting that he sent me the steam information but he didn’t. That’s why I ask yesterday how to open a Scammer thread. Elefant i say you also yesterday I’m not the guy! Pls sent me my money back.
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Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!

Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):
Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible):
Other proof:


Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.

Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof) yes he did.
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997956665
How long did you have the account before it was recalled? He didn’t sent me the informations about login and etc.

If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
(you can use the HIDE tag so the images are not publicly available to everyone)


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[Elephant05]

Banned - selling hacked accounts

Hello everybody!
It's the strangest situation i've ever had.

First at all i want to tell if admins will tell me i'm wrong and it's not the same person i'll refund money.
But i have a lot of proofs this man (harun ta) is the same man who owe me 375€ for accounts which he bought from me (Beytullah).
I was dealing with him more than year and we had a great business but something went wrong this summer and he stopped answering me because he got accounts for more than 375€ and didn't want to pay for it as i understand.

Here is proofs
First thing i don't really understand why he opened dispute from another account

I want to ask admins to check is that the same person.

Than i want to introduce how FBUser9169 - its Beytullah's nickname on epicnpc which he used when we were dealing with him(till summer).
He left 2 feedbacks for me

no i think it's not a problem to connect FBUser9169 - its Beytullah

Next step will be identifying

All this users FBUser9169 (5st SS) harun ta (you can check in in conversation) and Rico6161 (first SS) from Germany. It's okay, a lot of people leaving in Germany, but as for me it's little bits strange. But i want to ask admins check their IP and another stuff because it might be the same.

Let's continue
Here is will be proofs that FBUser9169 hasn't been answering me in Skype from 22 July

Also during i'm writing this answer new proof came
I don't why did he send me it but he did
I think he is trying to figure out this situation
But i have no idea how he found that exactly FBUser9169 scammed me, i didn't tell him that
So it's really strange

Next my proofs will be about usernames
All accounts i sold to FBUser9169 have name RiCo!
https://steamcommunity.com/id/765765656565
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Ric0MendoZa
https://steamcommunity.com/id/31242365
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197967530486
It's not all accounts but i think it's enough
and one of account has really interesting name

I think it's really looks like the same
(It's the same Skype as Harun Ta, but he changed nickname after i told him i have proofs you are scammer. Also it's the biggest his fault and the main my proof will be, but little bit later)

Now i'll explains how i got it's the same person
I'm selling accounts more than year and i know all requests from my frequent buyers.
When i got message from Rico6161 he interested only in old accounts and i remembered that FBUser9169 had the same requests.

 

[Elephant05]

Banned - selling hacked accounts

i sent him many accounts for choose and he chose just 2 and they are over 10 years

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198299928556/
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997956665

Here is proof that FBUser9169 owe me 375€

Before i'll end i want to say that i hope we'll solve this issue without any bans and i'll get all my money back.
Beytullah i know it's you and i have more proofs about it. Please be a normal human and let's do a normal business
I always sent you accounts in advance and than was waiting for money and everything was good. But what went wrong, buddy?

 

[Elephant05]

Banned - selling hacked accounts

And in the end the main proof.
As i told and you see he opened dispute from another account with nickname harun ta.
The same nickname he has in Skype now.

He tried doesn't look like Rico, that's why he changed nickname and opened dispute from another account. But it's his main fault because FBUser9169 - its Beytullah sent me one interesting picture.
It was 5 Match 2018
It shows his full name Taski Harun Serdar

I do not think somebody else (someone from Spain as he wrote me in PM 30 mins ago) have access to his bank account, German bank account.

That's all from me.
Thank you!

 

[harun ta]

Hallo Again to all,
I can show the admins here my full ID card also my license drive that I’m not Harun or Beytullah for all again this guy is trying to scam me! Right I was also registed before but with my multiple account check it under my profile I was never before writing with this guy. I heard from my friend Pedro where bought many accounts from him that he not ownens him money because Elefant was selling to him hjacked or retaked account. How ever this means not that Elefant can take my money! How I sayed I can show the admins my full identity also me self with my picture or live cam that’s not me. Thanks, and best regards!

Attacked my hotmail adress!

 

[harun ta]

Also im waiting of Pedro, im meeting him today so i can get some picture of transaction which one he sent to me because i don’t have my owen PayPal.

 

[harun ta]

As i sayed im not Pedro! And this the money what he steal from me, see the picture it is his emailadress. As i sayed i can show my owen personality to the admins here. Thanks.

Skrill from Pedro!

 

[harun ta]

Here the picture!

 

[harun ta]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

btw this is not pedros Skype Elefant! And if you want I can show the Facebook account from Pedro!

 

[Elephant05]

Banned - selling hacked accounts

I got money from you and i do not hide it
One point is i'm pretty sure you are the same person as Beytullah

 

[harun ta]

I got money from you and i do not hide it
One point is i'm pretty sure you are the same person as Beytullah

Hi Elefant, im in 20 minutes home you wanna see me and my if card? I’m not the ***** beytulah! If you are very sure let’s go Skype I open cam and show you my ID card!

 

[Elephant05]

Banned - selling hacked accounts

He opened the same dispute here

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-elefant05.1401221/#post-6135219

I don't want to waste time for just copy all information from this dispute to the new one
Admins please make decision here and close another dispute

 

[EpicNPC CM]

Quick summarize :

Elephant and harun ta (rico) agree to #350 for cs:go account
Harun ta pays for cs:go account
Elephant thinks harun is a previous user who owes him $375, wont refund the payment.
Harun ta denies claims & opens dispute here

correct?

I have instructed harun ta to reply on his rico account.

 

[Elephant05]

Banned - selling hacked accounts

First at all i want to tell if admins will tell me i'm wrong and it's not the same person i'll refund money.
That's the main point.

In total all correct

 

[Rico6161]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-elefant-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-elephant05-640331.1400835/#post-6138302

Quick summarize :

Elephant and harun ta (rico) agree to #350 for cs:go account
Harun ta pays for cs:go account
Elephant thinks harun is a previous user who owes him $375, wont refund the payment.
Harun ta denies claims & opens dispute here

correct?

I have instructed harun ta to reply on his rico account.

Hello EpicNPC CM,

Elephant05 is thinking that im the guy where scammed him.
this is not true Harun Ta is also me i can also sent the code to reply on the other account.
but atleast im not the guy where scammed him. This one is Pedro, he connect his facebook here and he wanted that i post it to elephant05 to ask is him.
Here is the skrill with elephant05 account as picture he never payed me the money back. Pls ban him!
Thanks!

Best regards

 

[Elephant05]

Banned - selling hacked accounts

I'll refund him if i'm wrong as i told before
I'm waiting for solution

 

[Rico6161]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-elefant-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-elephant05-640331.1400835/#post-6138302

I'll refund him if i'm wrong as i told before
I'm waiting for solution

elephant05 you can ask them im not using diffrent ips yes im the person where have contact to pedro!
and he is not playing enemymore but he tell me one of the accounts that he bought got recovered or something like this..
if you want i give his mobile phone so you can call him?!
i never bought a account before here or someone else!
i also never cheatet to someone so i dont understand you why you think that man!
im working 8 hours a day to get 80 euro and you steal it me this is not correct, as i said if you need the adress or something like that from pedro i can sent you a DM!

Best regards!

 

[Rico6161]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-elefant-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-elephant05-640331.1400835/#post-6138302

as you can see he was only and doesnt reply me admins or mods..
pls check what ever he means and ban him just for fairness and i want go to german police to for this 80 euros how i can get his ip or the police?
thanks and best regards..

 

[Elephant05]

Banned - selling hacked accounts

I'm here and still waiting for admin's answer
i can't answer every minute you want
My previous answer here was 56mins ago so don't be stupid about ignoring

 

[EpicNPC CM]

No ip matches on those accounts

However after searching I have found rico already has a previously banned account : rico61

He's been banned.

Beytuak
rico61
[email protected]
Rico6161
harun ta

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/steam-level-51-153-games-global-elite-1150-hrs-and-more.936455/