Lied to about HAND boosting

RoguePinoy · Feb 1, 2017

NOW I AM NOT LOOKING TO GET ANYTHING FROM THIS AS MY ACCOUNT IS SUSPENDED. I AM JUST WARNING OTHERS THAT HE IS NOT HAND BOOSTING MOST OF HIS SERVICES.

His service URL is https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1060496-Liljackjack-Gaming-Services-100-110-Launch-Offer-12-Hand-Leveling-US-EU/page2

Okay this maybe long winded. I first knew of this guy at playerauction and have asked him numerous times and tried to verify if he hand boosts rather than botting. He assured me he doesn't bot. The reason I ask is because I fear getting banned on my main account(maybe I should have known better) as I have invested alot of time on it.

I was very suspicious at first as when he did a honor rank boost for me.. he would always go way past 50 and would never respond to my skype even though he's online on my account. At one point he even got me prestige 1 level 10. He claimed his booster thought I wanted prestige 2. I had my doubts but it was too late to go back now. So I was browsing EpicNPC as I used to be a more active member here and saw he started posting here and a sale for leveling a toon. Since I wanted my pld to 110 I decided to try him out again(as he's the only one other than me thats been on the account and I figured hey why not). He levels it to 110 and was on the account for 3-4 hrs longer and he didn't respond to any of my msgs and proceeds to repeat this same sequence when I asked him to do my WQs(clear).

Now I'm here to tell you I got banned for botting. I know maybe I should have stopped using him as it was very suspecious and a part of the fault lies on me for trusting him with his HANDLEVELING. I am here to warn anyone and everyone that sees this.

Thanks for your time.

And oh.. his answer to the suspension is to file a dispute with blizzard

doomedtofail · Feb 1, 2017

There was massive bot ban wave. Last night est time zone. Did you get a full refund? We require damages be paid when lieing about hand leveling

RoguePinoy · Feb 1, 2017

I don't even know what I want to happen other than get my account unbanned.. I'm very very upset cuz that was my main and treasured account..

doomedtofail · Feb 1, 2017

Yeah i doubt you can unban it but you can try claiming havked

doomedtofail · Feb 1, 2017

But they may or may not believe you seeing as account was being changed in a positive manner

RoguePinoy · Feb 1, 2017

I just filed a dispute with blizzard. I want to warn others about false advertisements though. Thanks

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Further research I see that multiple people have been suspicious of his botting(you even pointed it out in one of his feedback dispute according to history). Now he's msging me trying to dispute my feedback.

RoguePinoy · Feb 1, 2017

\Here are some logs from Playerauctions.com. WE have agreed to level 50 honor ranks for 2 toons.

Here is me asking him whats going on with my Monk as he had completed it awhile back per wowarmory showing the achievement and a guildie was asking me why I never responded to him saying grats on the rank 50. Which was hours ago. This is where he starts using excuses..

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then this is me still asking him whats going.

This last one he offers the same excuse saying his guy made the mistake again(FISHY AINT IT) ALL THIS TIME THE ACCOUNT HAS BEEN ON WITHOUT EVER LOGGING OFF(HMM FISHY)

Ill compile the skype chats with even more bot like suspicion

liljackjack · Feb 1, 2017

You guys have got to be kidding me.

This kid ADMITTED to using bots, got banned for USING BOTS and then tries to blame me and my team for him getting banned?

Are we for real here?

RoguePinoy · Feb 1, 2017

Now he's trying to claim that I admitted botting? lmao..

I guess he doesnt understand what I said in that sentence. I hope he rereads that. But look at what he said here: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1075614-Negative-Feedback-Removal

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Are you reading the sentence right?

THIS WAS THE SENTENCE HE REFERS TO THAT HE CLAIMS I SAID IM USING A BOT?? WTF?? Heres the sentence:

Are you kidding me? You may have did the Mythic +10 but bot that can farm bgs? Hasn't there always been bots that did that? How about leveling also?

I am talking like an adult. You can google bots that does that very thing. Yes you did mythic +10. But that doesnt mean you didn't bot with BGs or Leveling.. I was calm and wanted people to be wary. Did you ever see me demand a refund?

If you think that I would have bought BG farming or Lvling from you while having a bot in my hand then I dont know what to tell you. I chose to use you because like I said you seemed like regardless of the inconsistency like:

I dont even know how to relay that info to you but IN THAT SENTENCE I WAS SAYING IF I WERE USING A BOT I WOULDNT HAVE NEEDED TO USE YOUR SERVICE. Holy crap

doomedtofail · Feb 1, 2017

World quests are 95% scripted and automated. Rotation bots are used in raids and mythics to get dps up. anyone logging in with bot for 7 week period it seems has been banned, at least from what is posted on bot forums.

RoguePinoy · Feb 1, 2017

Did you read the part he's claiming that I botted in that sentence? Are you kidding me? Then he's put a negative rating claiming that I was trying to ask for refunds wtf? I have a whole chat log in PM here with me just wanting to warn people. Ridiculous...

If you look at his old post with another person saying he botted with click to move and you stating that click to move is generally a bot behavior. https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1071284-Negative-Feedback-Removal

doomedtofail · Feb 1, 2017

I do not see in supplied chat that you admitted it, I see you saying if you had a bot you would not be buying his service. I gave him a second chance on click to move claims in that thread as it is sometimes used by players, thats why its there. but with the ban wave I no longer believe his claims.

RoguePinoy · Feb 1, 2017

Notice the trend.. The previous customer stated seeing suspicious things also...

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Can you remove that negative rating on my feedback please? He's claiming that I'm scamming him? I dont even know of what though.. since I didnt get anything but a banned account and is only asking to warn others of his HAND leveling.

doomedtofail · Feb 1, 2017

Feedback had been removed already as it is only revenge feedback, which is not allowed.

RoguePinoy · Feb 1, 2017

Thank you

liljackjack · Feb 1, 2017

Guys, I want a serious admin involved in this thread.

I honestly cannot believe that a customer that has placed numerous orders with us and left repeated positive feedback is now able to undermine the very thing that we based our business on.

I have chat logs of positive feedback and comments both on here and on PlayerAuctions (since we are now clearly using evidence from all over the internet).
I have virus scans and malware scans from all of my team's computers confirmed no malicious software or infection.

As outlined in my for-sale thread, I will happily refund ANY experience that is less than 100% satisfactory (and that offer still stands!!).
My concern here is with the slanderous way that RoguePinoy is exerting assumptions against me and my team.

I left accurate negative feedback voicing these concerns, not a "revenge feedback" as it is being described here and yet I am now received infraction reports for being honest. Who the hell's side are the admin on here? Highly disappointed.

RoguePinoy · Feb 1, 2017

You left a feedback saying I'm extorting and asking for something. How was that even a realistic feedback. I've never asked for anything. I'm not expecting you to come up and admit you botted(HAS ANYONE EVER DONE THAT?).

How accurate was that feedback that you claim I'm asking for anything other other than to warn others?

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How will you prove those virus scan logs are from all your pcs? I dont even understand how you think that will prove anything.

liljackjack · Feb 1, 2017

So am I even allowed to submit another negative feedback outlining the lies you are telling, and the dishonest communications, and your lame-*** excuses for why you're not to blame?

Or will your admin-buddy just give me an infraction for that also?

I literally cannot believe how this is being handled. Truly outrageous.

RoguePinoy · Feb 1, 2017

My buddy? I dont even.. Where do I ask you for a refund like you stated on my feedback.. HOW AM I EXTORTING YOU?

Anyways I'm gonna sleep. This whole entire thing has exhausted me. Ive stated before.. I'm not looking for a handout or anything. I do want people warned that YOU ARE NOT HAND LEVELING and I received a suspension due to trusting you.

I really just wished you were upfront about your services rather than continue to scam people into thinking your hand leveling...

Akane · Feb 1, 2017

Closing for review. Admin or SMOD will open when ready to proceed.

doomedtofail · Feb 1, 2017

As stated in pm "Grief or revenge feedbacks are not permitted."
Please review rules.

And i took your word for you on your click to move claims. Now you have a dispute thread against you for bot ban. This was not only user to claim this.

Your defense is that bots cannot do what user purchased, they do, only thing that movement in dungeons are not scipted for legion, but the bot is used for rotations for dps in mythics and raids.

doomedtofail · Feb 3, 2017

Now that everyones cooled off I will reopen this.

RoguePinoy claims liljackjack botted his account, while this could have been a booster of liljackjack, but he is still responsible.
World quests like i said are very well scripted by honorbuddy and leveling is near flawless. You are charging $12.00 for 100-110. Click to move was activated on another account you were accused of.
Even if you stream in game boosts through mythic dungeons, 99% hard to tell if boost was botted for dps rotations as it will not show. Leveling we could see in the stream bot movements and click to move and sometimes erratic behavior.
Sorry quite simply we have to rule liljackjack is responsible for damage, he was paid for a service and account was banned during wave.
If rogue had honorbuddy he could have do ALL of it for free himself, why would he pay someone.

Since Rogue is disputing blizzard, we can settle this different ways.
Liljackjack compensates rogue for lost account (Keys) negative is turned to neutral.
Rogue declines compensation and negative stays.

liljackjack · Feb 3, 2017

Leveling we could see in the stream bot movements and click to move and sometimes erratic behavior.

Can I see the link to this?

RoguePinoy · Feb 3, 2017

To click to move being a bot behavior? https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/16858195719

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Or to being pointed out the click to move and erratic behavior on your side?

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1071284-Negative-Feedback-Removal

Kinda funny how there was others that pointed you out.

Also lets look at the negative feedbacks on playerauction with ppl with the same issue.

https://www.playerauctions.com/offer/myfeedbacklist/?username=liljackjack

liljackjack · Feb 3, 2017

Leveling we could see in the stream bot movements and click to move and sometimes erratic behavior.

I'm asking when and where anyone saw these "bot movements" and "erratic behavior".

I don't need to explain my use of click to move. If blizzard didn't want it in the game they would remove it

RoguePinoy · Feb 3, 2017

I linked where another guy reported you and you had that feedback removed

liljackjack · Feb 3, 2017

liljackjack said:
I'm asking when and where anyone saw these "bot movements" and "erratic behavior".

I don't need to explain my use of click to move. If blizzard didn't want it in the game they would remove it

@Doomedtofail - you got anything dude?

RoguePinoy · Feb 3, 2017

You are grasping at words and thats not what he meant. Obviously not the first or last person that will report you not botting.

Again all I want is for you to remove that HAND leveling service you claim you do. All of your feedbacks from PA that gave you neg rep, you reply with they used a bot. You fail to realize that they would not have ask for your service if THEY HAD ACCESS TO THOSE BOTS.

If you look further down his rep you can see it. Unfortunately mine was defaulted into a good rep that was given to you and I cant seem to find out how to change my feedback but it doesnt matter. I DONT WANT ANYONE ELSE GETTING SCAMMED INTO THINKING YOU ARE DOING THIS BY HAND.

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Oh this is his twitch link that I've followed and have yet seen or has any archived videos that he claims he does.

https://www.twitch.tv/liljackjack

liljackjack · Feb 3, 2017

Let me know dude - we have already offered to compensate you for your loss. Take it or leave it.

As a result of this dispute, I will now be recording all live streamed leveling services to remove any possible future accusations of bot use or hacking. I will not however remove my advertisement of hand-leveling, as that is exactly what we are offering and how these accounts are being leveled.

If you wanna use bots etc then go ahead, but my business has always and will always be founded upon delivering an incredible customer experience without the risks associated with hacking and cheats.

doomedtofail · Feb 3, 2017

No if you reread what i wrote that if you streamed leveling we can see if a bot
Is used. If used for rotation you cannot see if bot or not.

If there is another claim of ban due to bottong you will no longer be allowed to offer leveling at all.

liljackjack · Feb 3, 2017

All future orders will be streamed.
I see no way in which there could be bot reports.

Let me know if you need anything else from me at this point.

doomedtofail · Feb 3, 2017

Sorry liljackjack you are lieing to us.

doomedtofail · Feb 3, 2017

I will update this later

doomedtofail · Feb 3, 2017

Information on ownedcore was wrong. ban lifted and changed to correct information. You can no longer offer your services here.
You do have tons of negatives elsewhere like playerauctions. And look they are for bot bans. We cannot have you risking accounts while claiming hand leveling.
People can offer bot leveling, but it has to be stated. You lied many many times. And if we let you continue offering services here, you will continue to lie, clearly.

https://www.playerauctions.com/offer/myfeedbacklist/?username=liljackjack

look here as well-
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1071284-Negative-Feedback-Removal

I took your word for it and gave you another chance since you seemed sincere, but all you did was lie and lie again.
Yes any one can use click to move. But not everyone claiming hand leveling gets tons of users banned. I bet that other user here was banned too.
And playerauctions rep cannot be faked, they have to buy your services.

Epic 1NPC · Feb 15, 2017

liljackjack has now started to chargeback against us.

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