fruad !! user junganla beware

merkiba · Jan 4, 2012

i purchased users account. he refused to give over his account information and began to talk about a problem with his paypal. (even though he had received my money) user claims to return my money when his problem is gone but i already talked to paypal WHO ALREADY CLOSED THE FRUAD CLAIM and they said he told them its for a game account KNOWING THEY WONT RETURN MY MONEY. im giving a heads up for those who think about it. i will return a post when he has returned my money but for now dont buy from him/her. same is also a NON US user selling a US account.

---------- Post added 01-04-2012 at 10:03 PM ----------

Information
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Date that scamming took place: 1/2/2012
Method of Contact Used: PM, thread response
Instant Messenger ID of scammer: Junganla
Your Instant Messenger ID:merkiba
MMOBay Account of Scammer: junganla
Other information:

Scam Information
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What was scammed? rift defiant account warrior 11/11hk p8
Link of transaction thread: http://vbforums.mmobay.net/rift-buy-sell-trade/441586-wts-rank-8-11-11-defiant-warrior-na.html (no idea how to post a link sorry)
Approximate value of scammed property: $200.00 USD

Was a middleman used?no
If yes, who?
Describe how you were scammed: user is claiming his paypal wont let him refund my money.i sent the money and the user refused to give up account information.
Other details / notes: changed mind after recieved payment. excuses as to fail of refund.

Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Logs: Use

tags."After receiving his payment , paypal locked my account for limitation. Going to refund his payment after it's lifted. Account is still for sale."
Pictures/Screenshots: none
Other proof:i have transaction proof im willing to send to a moderator privately. same with user giving email and email in transaction.

Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the transaction? Yes
Have you traded with this person before? no
Approximately how many transactions have you done on MMOBay? 2

adds, most pm-ing was done on another buy/sell website i can link those as well. i have proof linking this user to both website sales. he has responded to both websites about his paypal problems.
im not here trying to get him banned right now.if same refunds money everything will be great. opened ticket with paypal they closed the case via response from seller with no refund of purchase.

---------- Post added 01-04-2012 at 10:45 PM ----------

lol now user is claiming he sent me my account information in a feed back post. which is a lie.

---------- Post added 01-05-2012 at 12:43 AM ----------

here is a img. of transaction confirmation via paypal. erased private information.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4394/fruad.png

here is post on other website for same account. this websites post is above^ exact match same user same replys
WTS Rank 8 + 11/11 Defiant Warrior NA - MMORPG Account Marketplace

here is print screen of the pm talking about how hes is going to refund my money.
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4848/fraud3.png

here is a print screen of him leaving negative feedback the same day saying he "gave me the account info" which i haven't received.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2910/fruad5.png <-- notice how he said "had to wait for paypal problem to clear" b4 he gave me my info. a clear lie i have 20+ posts of him telling me hes going to refund my money. and the second i leave him negative feedback he claims he sent me my account.

ask your self why would i go this effort to bann him if i got my account? this website isnt going to refund my money or get me the account i purchased. but it can save others from getting screwd like i did.

i challenge the seller to post the email of him sending me the information to MY MMOBAY VIA PM, give me my money back,or give me my account information.
simple request.

junganla · Jan 5, 2012

I have never scammed anyone before. I sold another rift account previously on (softly) but since i forgot my pw and made another account this one.

When you sent me 200$ paypal did lock my account (access limited) i told you i wanted to transfer the money to my bank account before handing over all the information + calling trion to change email. I can ask my previous buyer to vouch for me.

You have the account now and you opened a dispute to paypal requesting a refund. I called paypal 4/01/2012 asking what was the problem with the dispute , since i sold you the account and you received it.

I did wanted to refund the money when my paypal limited the account and you requested me to just give you the account , which I did after the account was lifted. Because i asked you to wait while I call paypal . I called paypal the day after it was locked and it was lifted and i asked you for the desire email you want for the account , address and first and last name. Only reason I couldn't contact paypal regarding the access limited on the day of the transaction because it was 12am in the morning.

So now you have the rift account and you want your 200$ back? -_-"

p.s Im a canadian seller that is why my paypal is NON US

Epic 1NPC · Jan 5, 2012

junganla, merkiba is saying he does not have the account info. Can you post a screenshot of the chat or email where you give him all the info? block out the important info.

merkiba, do you have the account info now?

junganla · Jan 5, 2012

We didn't talk on email , we used another site pm box and i cleared it out after the account was sold and the transaction was cleared. I'm selling my sw:tor and wow account still so therefore i usually clear my inbox and make it tidy. I wouldn't expect to need these /shurg

I can't provide the screenshot atm , guess ill get the ban hammer for just selling a account and the buyer have the possession of the account -_-"

merkiba · Jan 5, 2012

no i don't have the account he never sent me any such information.. OHHH how convenient he cleared his inbox....lol i could have called that one. give me my account info or give me my money that's all im asking man what point do i have to be on here asking for my account if i don't have it?

---------- Post added 01-05-2012 at 03:43 PM ----------

i read all his reply's checked alllll my inbox's and haven't received anything. in any email

---------- Post added 01-05-2012 at 04:03 PM ----------

once you accept a payment via paypal (which you did right away). i can only dispute it. i can not retract it. PAYPAL DOES NOT COVER DIGITAL GOODS and you know this. so even a dispute wont get me anywhere your a cheat and thief and besides this bann i want you to have i hope my credit company finds you..

junganla · Jan 5, 2012

honestly grow up , you have the rift account. stop trying to make a scene and asking paypal for your money back.

merkiba · Jan 5, 2012

like i said b4 give me my account or give me my money. your a terrible liar and your story changes every day you may have deleted your responses but i never deleted anything. ill even give a admin to this site my account info and pass for every site i have talked to you on. and let them be the judge of who is the liar.

im asking you to prove to this site you gave me the account you can not. i can prove i paid you and that you tried selling the account after you "sold it to me". make up your mind. did you refund it or did you give it to me??

- the day after i send you money you say your going to refund my money PUBLICLY ON YOUR POST and that its STILL FOR SALE.
- the next day in PM's you say your going to refund my money. still no account info given.
- i leave you bad feedback and THEN ALL THE SUDDEN you "gave me my account info" bull you are trying to save your butt.
- magically you delete all your transaction history. if you say you are a seasoned seller you would never do this.
- honostly ill take a punch and use middle man services from now on. i don't care anymore i lost my money. it was my own fault to have trusted a stranger.

i just hope this doesn't happen again to someone else. please admins!!!! do the math

junganla · Jan 5, 2012

How is it magically? I gave you the account info after I called paypal on 04/01/2012 11am est to lift the limited access so i can transfer the money to my bank account. Then i gave you the account info + I called trion to change the email , address + name to yours , So i handed over the account to you.

merkiba · Jan 5, 2012

in your first post response you said
"I called paypal 4/01/2012 asking what was the problem with the dispute , since i sold you the account and you received it." <--- (prior to call)

in your last post response you said
"I called paypal on 04/01/2012 11am est to lift the limited access so i can transfer the money to my bank account. Then i gave you the account info (after call)+ I called trion to change the email , address + name to yours , So i handed over the account to you."

and last but not least and best of all.
"I called trion to change the email , address + name to yours , So i handed over the account to you. " you cant call Trion. that's how i know your lying. you cant put the account in my name. thats also how i know you are lying again. both of those are against ToS and will get you a per-ma ban.

in this business friend the account buyer does not get the luxury of buying a account and changing it to they're name. you can change the password. you can change the email. but thats it. the account maker will always be the name on the account.

anymore holes you want to dig your self in>? i suggest you just wait patiently for your ban. unless you refund my money or give me my account. with secret answers IF YOU EVEN OWN ONE.

---------- Post added 01-05-2012 at 09:03 PM ----------

admin help! im not wasting any more breaths on this guy untill i get some justice here. whether it be account, refund, or ban.

junganla · Jan 5, 2012

Only way you can change the email is by calling Trion I have sold my previous rift account perfectly fine by calling them and requesting a name change ,address and email. + they gave me 30 more days of game time due to you cant change it on the trion site.

merkiba · Jan 5, 2012

thats funny because. you said they gave YOU 30 more minutes of game time.

by the way for the devs here. this is the email this guy "deleted" the info he claims he changed it to. ALSO notice the BANNED through his name. looks like the other website found him not trustworthy as well.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9674/fruad6.png

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2332/fruad7.png

ps ill petition for a ban lift for you when i get my money or account. you can pick one. my email is [email protected]. you already have my paypal email from your receipt. unless you deleted that too..lol

any admins on?

junganla · Jan 5, 2012

I got banned because you reported me and they are investigating now , why would they ever give 30more minutes of game time? are you retardted? brain damaged?

holy **** go find something else better to do or play the warrior you just bought from me.

merkiba · Jan 5, 2012

i dont know how may times i asked you to resend the info if your not lying. but you always come up empty handed. a simple call to "TRION" would suffice since you are above the ToS I guess. like i said when i get either of the two things ill petition for your ban lift. or maybe im too brain damaged to remember to.

junganla · Jan 5, 2012

You have the account how am i going to resend the info? the email of the account is in the screenshot http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9674/fruad6.png I don't need you to petition my ban lift. Because i'm not a scammer.

You even gave me the email , real name and address for the account , i wont post your address or real name here.

hownhomeygwhiteguy@yahoo.com

merkiba · Jan 5, 2012

i don't have the account. you didn't send me any info. i sent a request as to what to change it to but you didn't. in fact you didn't even confirm to me that you did anything. you left me under the impression i was going to get a refund until you left me a feedback in your defense telling people i got the account..

[email protected] is not the one i emailed you. secondly no variation of the two emails or passwords together work. [email protected] or [email protected]. with either password. and no email from you telling me anything about the log in information therefore you changed nothing.

---------- Post added 01-05-2012 at 10:00 PM ----------

i can go untill im pink in the face and then some. your screwing with peoples hard earned money and you deserve to be punished accordingly. im not brain damaged im not mentally handicapped. i am however waiting for a admin response to this post. untill i say another word.

IM SURE YOUR BAN ON ANOTHER WEBSITE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. they must have looked at pm logs or something and got the whole story.

junganla · Jan 5, 2012

hownhomeygwhiteguy@yahoo.com
*************
**************
North Las Vegas, NV 89031
United States

pw 1245m1s

these were the information you sent me and i called trion for the change.

merkiba · Jan 5, 2012

here is a couple screen shots of me trying to log in with the emails he said he may have used.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3042/fruad8.png
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/8485/fruad9.png
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3941/fruad10.png
both notice writing in red.

[email protected] is not the email i gave you. oh and 1245m1s is not the pass either 1245mls! is look at link below. lol and im the handicapped one.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/fruad6.png/ <-- this one is.
and i request another ban for posting my personal information..

cool call trion back then. now you have the "info" lol so uh like i said. refund or real account info. or ban. up to you.

lwhite · Jan 5, 2012

I am the purchaser of his previous account for sale - a HK equipped cleric that I am happily playing to this day. I was asked by the seller to come in and vouch for the previous purchase. I will say that although we had some misunderstandings during our initial transaction, the seller did ultimately come through in the end. The account I purchased was actually better than described, so I am very happy.

I dont know anything about THIS transaction, so I can't add anything to that end, but I can say that the seller is authentic based on my previous positive experience. If I may make a suggestion based on my transaction - seller, since the buyer claims to not have ownership of the account, why don't you try to call Trion and regain possession since you have original ownership credentials to do so, despite the email address issue. Please do this in a quick manner, i.e. tomorrow, first thing in the A.M., then contact the seller and give them a coin-locked preview so they feel better about the situation. Buyer - after you have seen the account, and potentially feel better, then remove the paypal dispute, so that the seller can give you the credentials to unlock and take full ownership.

If my suspicion is correct, based on my previous experience, I think the transaction may still be saved, despite some type of error or inaccuracy in the timeline of events. Both parties - if you will give the transaction one more chance to succeed and save face, even if you feel you are not at fault at all, it may well just work out.

I wish you both the best. Hopefully this turns out to be a happy ending. Buyer, you are welcom to PM me anytime if you want any of the details on my transaction.

Good luck all,

Lee

---------- Post added 01-05-2012 at 10:18 PM ----------

Based on the top post on this page, and the two screenshots of attempted logins/recovery - it looks like you two have a registered email spelling problem. Seller - you will need to recover account if that is true.

junganla · Jan 5, 2012

those are the info i gave you and you even told me , and u said u logged on it fine. Then the next day I saw a email from paypal with a dispute.

I will call trion again but since the account isn't under my name anymore I have no guarantee of the out come.

Honestly stop threatening with the ban , Account was sold , you received it and your trying to ask paypal for your money back. So you have the account i sold and you want your money back?

merkiba · Jan 5, 2012

i agree with the post made by[ iwhite]. but its up to the seller to get it done in a timely manner. im just waiting i cant recover the account. if there was a problem the seller will have to.

trust me i want this account very much and would love to do this transaction if there was a problem that can be fixed. if not its up to the admins to decide how this ends.but i will do my best to get either the account,refund,or a ban.

and right now ill back of refund or ban and wait for seller to fix his mistake. if all works out. i will tell other websites to lift his ban and there was a misunderstanding. my word. as well as paypal disput.

^^^let it be publicly read.
also im asking seller to edit post and delete personal info. (my address)

---------- Post added 01-05-2012 at 10:34 PM ----------

also... i never said i logged on it fine. i NEVER LOGGED ON IT PERIOD.. its things like this that me think YOUR RIPPING ME OFF.

---------- Post added 01-05-2012 at 10:37 PM ----------

i dropped the dispute. you want screen shot proof of this too? i can if you want? just call trion. please.

---------- Post added 01-05-2012 at 10:47 PM ----------

also im going to return to this post tomorrow and ask for a update. for 200 bucks. i ask that you have one please.

lwhite · Jan 5, 2012

Seller, I chatted with the buyer via PM, and he also seems like a legit character. It really sounds like you have an account that is stuck in limbo, likely because the username is an email address that NO ONE actually owns due to a misspelling somewhere. Once you change the email address username in Rift, you have to receive the email notification and c lick the link to complete the transaction. I know this for a fact because I have purchased a few Rift accounts.

I'll bet you have an account where the link was never confirmed, and thus this is sitting in limbo. Please call Trion tomorrow, and since I suspect the link was never confirmed, I'll bet you can recover ownership. I know this sounds like a pain in the butt, but rise to the occasion so BOTH of you can be happy with how this turned out. Getting mad or suspicious will not solve anything, and one or both of you will suffer as the result. Do the right thing, BOTH of you.

(I'll get off my soap box now.)

Lee

---------- Post added 01-05-2012 at 11:29 PM ----------

By the way, the cleric is doing well. I just got her another piece of HK tanking gear last night, so she is continuing to improve slowly, but surely. I will give credit where credit is due, the seller rolls some very good toons with attention to gear details.

merkiba · Jan 5, 2012

^ promote this guy to administrator already

Epic 1NPC · Jan 6, 2012

I agree with lwhite. junganlahttp://vbforums.mmobay.net/members/junganla.html contact Trion and get the account back, once you have it, you can decide with merkiba whether to re-do the sale or undo it if you don't want to deal with each other. Deadline will be monday the 9th.

merkiba · Jan 6, 2012

ok seller got ahold of trion he says and that he no longer has access to the account.

im going to figure out what i can do. just updating post.

---------- Post added 01-06-2012 at 06:00 PM ----------

today i received some information from the seller.. such as. name of toon, shard its on, secret questions and answers. i then proceeded to friend this toon on a level one alt and couldn't it said it doesn't exist. i asked seller about this and he replied to get in contact with trion and give them the account information. i thought maybe they have the account on hold or something.

SO i called trion soon after i gave them the email that the seller said (in this thread) he used and they said they had no account on file with that email. i also tried the other emails that he "may have used" and they have no accounts on file to them either.they then asked me for the name of the toon so they can look it up and continued to tell me that they dont have a toon by that name i asked them if the account could have been compromised and they said they have NEVER had a toon by that name. besides looking like a total idiot i achieved nothing. then they asked me for my name so they can look up the account from my name i gave iot to them and they said they only have one account with that name. and it was my original account that i still play. owned well before this purchase was made.and that was the only account with the name the seller said he updated it to. im a little confused here so any advise from seller admins or help would be great.

things they said i should know that would help me get this GHOST account.
-previous email used for the account.(if it was changed)
-payment information
-correct email used on the account
-correct toon name.

---------- Post added 01-06-2012 at 06:10 PM ----------

also if my name is not on the account i cannot claim ownership over the phone. just a added thought.

neostyles · Jan 6, 2012

Your opinion in this matter is not needed. [swTCH]

merkiba · Jan 6, 2012

neostyles said:
I'd like to chime in on this. I purchased a SWTOR account from the seller and the deal was fast and easy. I'd rate him A+, account transfer was quick, price was fair and the account was exactly as described.

As others have posted it seems this transaction / account is in limbo and can probably be solved.

i dont doubt the fact he sells accounts. I just never got what i paid for yet. And keeping devs updated is important for helping this get done in a timely manner. The guy already has my money. Its not like he's still selling it but the urgency is not a must to complete the transaction anymore. I would love to walk away and say he is a legitimately seller and rep the he'll out him. I mean the account is bad *** i can't wait for this to be over.

Today was a huge set back though.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 7, 2012

As stated, the deadline will be Monday for junganla to get the account back. No proof was provided that he originally provided merkiba with the account info and it seems the info now provided doesn't work.

merkiba · Jan 8, 2012

still waiting for update from junganla.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 9, 2012

ban in 24 hrs.

merkiba · Jan 10, 2012

seller contacted me and said he needs another day or so. i don't mind waiting but its up to you guys as admins.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 10, 2012

ok, will wait for an update. New deadline is Thurs 12th.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 11, 2012

24 hrs to deadline

merkiba · Jan 12, 2012

seller responded to me in a PM stating that trion wants me to call them for a second time.. i asked seller to provide me with the information i need to be able to claim the account.im waiting on reply
secondly he stated that trion told them someone logged on to the account and transferred the toon. how he got that information i do not know since the information he gave me previous about the account was false or outdated, every last detail. still waiting on pm reply.

p.s. i dont think the seller understands the severity of the situation at hand, he seems occupied selling other accounts right now.i am however worried that if he is banned this will never get solved but i would like to ask him to stop worrying about future prospects and pay attention the the matter at hand.

thank you

Epic 1NPC · Jan 12, 2012

I placed a Warning message under junganla's username so hopefully that will give him more incentive to get this resolved sooner. Please update once you have contacted Trion.http://vbforums.mmobay.net/scammers/442427-fruad-user-junganla-*beware*-3.html

merkiba · Jan 13, 2012

thank you for the incentive.

also i cant call trion because the seller has not given me any updated information. everything i have is what i brought to them last week. and looking back that was a flop. im waiting for seller to check his inbox. and reply. i also asked him to update this thread with more detailed information as to his status and what he knows.

if he continues to dodge my questions im going to give up on the account and ask a refund or ban.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 13, 2012

Ill set a deadline of Monday the 16th for a ban.

lwhite · Jan 13, 2012

Merkiba, I'm so sorry this happened at all to you, and is still dragging out. I have to say I am completely at a loss at what to believe. I had a scary/lengthy previous transaction with the seller, but it did work out 100% in the end - finally. I'm still crossing my fingers for you. I'm happy to hear he is still sporadically in communication with you. I'll check back in a few days.

merkiba · Jan 13, 2012

thanks for your support man.

merkiba · Jan 15, 2012

i give up it has been 7 days since last contact and user has been on since. ban when ever. also can you remove the negative feedback the scamer left me?

thank you for all your help.

Epic 1NPC · Jan 16, 2012

junganla was logged in today and did not reply or resolve this issue so hes' been banned.

neg feedback has been removed.

fruad !! user junganla *beware*

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