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<u>History of me confronting a ‘Scam’</u>
Cyntrios33 Theory Part I - AIM – Traded me a veteran account with 3 level 60s (warrior, rogue, hunter and a couple of other low 30s) for one 60.
Fact 1: Cyntrios33 tells me that he is the original owner of SUBLIFE account with 3 60s. And that he is interested in my Priest level 60. He also stated he had a secret question and answer to it – which will be proved wrong further on. I tell him I don’t have the SA and SQ for my account and conclude by stating he does not have to give me his SA and SQ as well.
1st Clue – Why would he trade me 3 level 60s for one 60?
2nd Clue – Cyntrios33 “I must be nuts trading you 3 60s for 1 60 but I am desperate for a priest…”
3rd Clue – After the trade, I asked him whose credit card it was subscribed on the account page and he told me it belong to him, a few seconds later he changes his decision and he tells me it belonged to the person he traded it for. (Contrast on Fact 1 – how can he not be the original owner when he told me a few moments ago that he was and he had SA and SQ as well)
4th Clue – He makes me trade upfront, so I go first, everything goes smoothly and he gives me the account SUBLIFE as well. He is afraid that he might get scammed – hehe we will see who is the one who really gets scammed, me or him later on. A few hours later he blocks me on AIM for some reason I don’t know why – but I Ignore that warning.
5th Clue – He had repeatly stated that he made this account 4-5 months ago when the account creation at the account page dates approx Nov something 2004.
Sublife Account Theory Part II: Confrontation with the former owner of the account, Buyer of the account and the guild.
When I logged onto the tauren warrior on lightninghoof, someone in the guild who happened to be a close friend of Alysis (warriors name was Alysis as well I believe) the warrior asked me if I was infact him. I told him he was mistaken and that I got this account from trading. He told me he was alysis’s friend and that he got permanently booted by the original owner from the account for an unknown reason. He also told me Alysis, bought the account from the original owner of the account quiet a few months ago and that it was recalled and alysis unfortunately was intermingled with fraud. He told me Alysis paid about a sum of 300dollars for the account, but a few months later the account was recalled. I felt sorry for Alysis so I told him and the guild that I am willing to give the account back to him, and I asked them if there is any way I can get in contact with him. I give them my AIM name. They tell me that if they confront him, they will direct him to me. They thank me and warn me since the original owner recalled it off the buyer, he can do the same to you and that I might be next. They remove me from the guild. APPROXimetly 2 Minutes later I receive a message from someone on AIM with the name of Sublife1983. I was at first shocked and asked him if he was Alysis or the original owner. He declined to comment and rejected that he was just a trader. I told him repeatly that if he is the original owner or alysis, ill give the account back no problem, but he declined that he was.
1st Clue: AIM Name Sublife1983 is the same name as the Account I had at that time which was also named “Sublime”
2nd Clue: He took a while to respond when I asked him if he was the original owner
3rd Clue: He contacted me exactly 2 minutes after I was removed from the guild and after I spoke to former friends of Alysis – The guy who bought the account off the original owner.
4th Clue: He quickly came up with a price to buy the account for 350 us dollars. Even though I did not want to sell it and I wanted to know what was going on and who he was I managed to do so.
Sublife1983 wanted to see the characters in game, So I told him to make a character on lightninghoof so that ill show him the 60 Warrior tauren first. He made a character named Sassass. Now this character name that is strange and can be understood comparatively to “Ass.” A rude word. This reminds of the time I bought a rogue (Got recalled) 5-6 months ago, which also got recalled. The owner of that account used the same technique but different words and a harsher name of a character and password such as FUlol123 instead of Sassass as Sublife1983 used. In contrast the person I traded few months back also in turned out to be a recaller of the account rogue. Anyways, I am constantly suspicious on that name so I ignore that and hearth to Ogrimmor and to valley of heroes to show him the warrior. He looks at it for a while, comments on it really strangely. Using the terms “Cool!” “Amazing” “WOW” “Awsome” “I want to buy this account right now!!” “Such godly account” – the account only had 4-5 epics. He continued to cheer and inspect the account. Then he insists I show him the hunter and rogue on the other pve servers. I agree and log out to change servers. A second later a message pops up on my screen saying I got disconnected from server. I try to log back in only to find out the password is changed. I quickly minimize to AIM and I find out that Sublife1983 has already Blocked me.
5th Clue: He used strange and cheerful words in the process of inspecting the warrior’s gear. He didn’t bother to check the other characters.
6th Clue: He blocked me right after the account password changed
Point of View: Seems to me he wanted to make me show the warrior to prove to him that it was infact ‘his’ warrior and ‘his’ account items. Hence he didn’t bother to make me show the other 60s since he was satisfied that the warrior was really his. He quickly recalls the account knowing that it is his. Also he blocks me to discontinue further communication. Also it was a coincidence to why someone would want to pay 350us dollars before even looking at the account which he never did pay. He wanted me to be impressed by the amount of money he had to pay for the account, so that would eventually boost my morale to sell him and show him the characters AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE – which he succeeded in that. He wanted to prove he was really excited and really desperate for the account afraid that I might not show it to him. He wanted to inspect his gear to make sure nothing was lost or nothing was harmed, especially his warrior which he spent a lot of time on. The account was created on November something 2004 btw. Also had a credit card subscribed on it. Anyways, after blocking me I knew he had most likely recalled the account since quiet coincidently.
A) He had the exact same AIM name as the Account name
B) Was really extremely desperate to see his characters
C) Wanted to impress me by offering ‘Big’ money – which would boost my morale to show him the items asap. He wanted to make sure no items were lost once again, also to make sure it was his.
D) He blocked me right after I got a message saying disconnected from server and the password eventually changed.
This proves to me that the ‘original owner may’ infact me a ‘scammer’ as well. Since he has the ability to recall it, also the unnecessary reason to block me and recall the account when I clearly told him before showing him ingame that “dude, don’t lie to me, if this is ur account, ill give it back right now” yet he still declined and said he was not the original owner regardless of the coincidental issues I have stated above. At this point I have had known that the original owner was responsible for this, and also that someone “in that guild I got kicked from” knew my AIM and contacted me fairly quickly after I was removed from guild and shortly after I told the guild my AIM. Seems to me the original owner may be in the guild at the time (was present), or most possibly the person I was talking to. Or someone in that guild told the original owner my AIM that’s how he got in contact with me. I doubt alysis (the person who bought the account off sublime) did this since, he was reported to have been scammed and ‘not’ have the sa and sq for recalling.
Cyntrios Thoery Part III: (And the Final Conclusion)
I contact all my friends on AIM and traders and tell them Cyntrios33 is a scammer and that he traded me a scammed account. I had a discussion with 2 legit people, not to mention their names due to privacy or their aim name, and I explained to them what had happened. They told me to recall my account. Cyntrios33 believe I had no ability to recall my account so he continued to play it relaxingly. I told a friend of mine on AIM to make a character on my priest’s server to check if my toon was online. Guess what? He replied to me that yes he was online and that he was currently in Ironforge. How convenient. I giggled and he asked me whether he should harass him, I declined to let him do so. He let me on his account, I went on for a while to make sure that cyntrios the former scammer was on my priest , and he was and seemed really enjoyed my priest. Sublife – the original owner of that account was not ‘my’ base of problem so hence even though he is a ‘scammer’ he is not ‘my scammer’ and I had not been scammed by him as alysis did. The main problem was Cyntrios33 since he was the one who traded me the scammed account. Luckily Cyntrios was smart enough to trade the scammed account to some lazy person like me who took it from him regardless of these vast clues and warnings I had received. Cyntrios ‘is’ smart since he constantly changes his AIM names and his ability to assume the role of the original owner when he is infact ‘not.’ So anyways I was really upset at this time since a) sublife account got recalled b) Cyntrios33 lied to me about the legiteness of the account. In the end I found out the SUBLIFE account was in fact a scammed account taken by Cyntrios and traded to me. This makes ME and ALYSIS stuck in the middle of 2 Legitimate Scammers – Cyntrios33 and Sublime1983. Sublife is the original owner of the account and the person who scammed Alysis and recalled it regardless to the fact that Alyssis bought it off him. Whereas Cyntrios somehow scammed Sublife and took his account and knowing that it will be recalled traded it quickly to ME. I and Alysis are the Bait here. I have no idea who Alysis is but I know that he had got scammed like by the original owner, whereas I got scammed by Sublimes apprentice “Cyntrios33.” The reason to why I call them apprentice is under the circum stances that they both harbor the similar goal. Cyntrios just did the ‘dirty work’ for sublime and got rid of the account only to be recalled again. If my theory is infact true, The original owner of sublife is a secondary scammer and cyntrios is a primary scammer for me under the circumstances of my ‘case.’ There may be once again many people involved in this case, much that I have not even known of, however I was the victim of this and I felt the need to tell everyone on markeedragon what I had experienced during these two days.
It is time to recall the account and after taking advice from two of my friends I successfully recall it. My account is now in my hands and I thank god I was the original owner of my own account. Today I have learned a great lesson, and this I will not forget in my future years with the outstanding community of markeedragon. PS I managed to get a copy of SUBLIFE’S Account page, I have a screenshot and a Detailed info including Name, Address, Email address, Phone number, Some part of his credit card, date of when account was created etc. Ill post some info here.
SUBLIFE [Logout]
Account Status:
Active
This account is active and can be used for playing.
Account Created:
November 26, 2004 6:42 PM PST
Last Login:
March 2, 2006 12:02 AM PST
Contact Information:
Contact Address:
<font color="red"> removed by Admin </font>
Phone Number: <font color="red"> removed by Admin </font>
Email Address:
[email protected]
Billing Information:
Subscription: $14.99 USD 1 Month Recurring
Payment Method:
Visa
Next Bill Date: April 1, 2006 4:10 AM PST
Notes: Your Visa will be automatically billed on April 1, 2006 4:10 AM PST
Date:
Amount:
Billing Plan:
Status:
01/03/06 USD14.99 USD 1 Month Recurring
Active
01/04/06 USD14.99 USD 1 Month Recurring
Pending
Hope this helps, be aware of these people and their activity on markee, If my theory is infact true, then they are pretty much the scammers here. I however regret not to capture the message history of these people.
Regards,
PS: Thanks to my two friends who helped me in solving this case and recovering my account safely!
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Cyntrios33 Theory Part I - AIM – Traded me a veteran account with 3 level 60s (warrior, rogue, hunter and a couple of other low 30s) for one 60.
Fact 1: Cyntrios33 tells me that he is the original owner of SUBLIFE account with 3 60s. And that he is interested in my Priest level 60. He also stated he had a secret question and answer to it – which will be proved wrong further on. I tell him I don’t have the SA and SQ for my account and conclude by stating he does not have to give me his SA and SQ as well.
1st Clue – Why would he trade me 3 level 60s for one 60?
2nd Clue – Cyntrios33 “I must be nuts trading you 3 60s for 1 60 but I am desperate for a priest…”
3rd Clue – After the trade, I asked him whose credit card it was subscribed on the account page and he told me it belong to him, a few seconds later he changes his decision and he tells me it belonged to the person he traded it for. (Contrast on Fact 1 – how can he not be the original owner when he told me a few moments ago that he was and he had SA and SQ as well)
4th Clue – He makes me trade upfront, so I go first, everything goes smoothly and he gives me the account SUBLIFE as well. He is afraid that he might get scammed – hehe we will see who is the one who really gets scammed, me or him later on. A few hours later he blocks me on AIM for some reason I don’t know why – but I Ignore that warning.
5th Clue – He had repeatly stated that he made this account 4-5 months ago when the account creation at the account page dates approx Nov something 2004.
Sublife Account Theory Part II: Confrontation with the former owner of the account, Buyer of the account and the guild.
When I logged onto the tauren warrior on lightninghoof, someone in the guild who happened to be a close friend of Alysis (warriors name was Alysis as well I believe) the warrior asked me if I was infact him. I told him he was mistaken and that I got this account from trading. He told me he was alysis’s friend and that he got permanently booted by the original owner from the account for an unknown reason. He also told me Alysis, bought the account from the original owner of the account quiet a few months ago and that it was recalled and alysis unfortunately was intermingled with fraud. He told me Alysis paid about a sum of 300dollars for the account, but a few months later the account was recalled. I felt sorry for Alysis so I told him and the guild that I am willing to give the account back to him, and I asked them if there is any way I can get in contact with him. I give them my AIM name. They tell me that if they confront him, they will direct him to me. They thank me and warn me since the original owner recalled it off the buyer, he can do the same to you and that I might be next. They remove me from the guild. APPROXimetly 2 Minutes later I receive a message from someone on AIM with the name of Sublife1983. I was at first shocked and asked him if he was Alysis or the original owner. He declined to comment and rejected that he was just a trader. I told him repeatly that if he is the original owner or alysis, ill give the account back no problem, but he declined that he was.
1st Clue: AIM Name Sublife1983 is the same name as the Account I had at that time which was also named “Sublime”
2nd Clue: He took a while to respond when I asked him if he was the original owner
3rd Clue: He contacted me exactly 2 minutes after I was removed from the guild and after I spoke to former friends of Alysis – The guy who bought the account off the original owner.
4th Clue: He quickly came up with a price to buy the account for 350 us dollars. Even though I did not want to sell it and I wanted to know what was going on and who he was I managed to do so.
Sublife1983 wanted to see the characters in game, So I told him to make a character on lightninghoof so that ill show him the 60 Warrior tauren first. He made a character named Sassass. Now this character name that is strange and can be understood comparatively to “Ass.” A rude word. This reminds of the time I bought a rogue (Got recalled) 5-6 months ago, which also got recalled. The owner of that account used the same technique but different words and a harsher name of a character and password such as FUlol123 instead of Sassass as Sublife1983 used. In contrast the person I traded few months back also in turned out to be a recaller of the account rogue. Anyways, I am constantly suspicious on that name so I ignore that and hearth to Ogrimmor and to valley of heroes to show him the warrior. He looks at it for a while, comments on it really strangely. Using the terms “Cool!” “Amazing” “WOW” “Awsome” “I want to buy this account right now!!” “Such godly account” – the account only had 4-5 epics. He continued to cheer and inspect the account. Then he insists I show him the hunter and rogue on the other pve servers. I agree and log out to change servers. A second later a message pops up on my screen saying I got disconnected from server. I try to log back in only to find out the password is changed. I quickly minimize to AIM and I find out that Sublife1983 has already Blocked me.
5th Clue: He used strange and cheerful words in the process of inspecting the warrior’s gear. He didn’t bother to check the other characters.
6th Clue: He blocked me right after the account password changed
Point of View: Seems to me he wanted to make me show the warrior to prove to him that it was infact ‘his’ warrior and ‘his’ account items. Hence he didn’t bother to make me show the other 60s since he was satisfied that the warrior was really his. He quickly recalls the account knowing that it is his. Also he blocks me to discontinue further communication. Also it was a coincidence to why someone would want to pay 350us dollars before even looking at the account which he never did pay. He wanted me to be impressed by the amount of money he had to pay for the account, so that would eventually boost my morale to sell him and show him the characters AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE – which he succeeded in that. He wanted to prove he was really excited and really desperate for the account afraid that I might not show it to him. He wanted to inspect his gear to make sure nothing was lost or nothing was harmed, especially his warrior which he spent a lot of time on. The account was created on November something 2004 btw. Also had a credit card subscribed on it. Anyways, after blocking me I knew he had most likely recalled the account since quiet coincidently.
A) He had the exact same AIM name as the Account name
B) Was really extremely desperate to see his characters
C) Wanted to impress me by offering ‘Big’ money – which would boost my morale to show him the items asap. He wanted to make sure no items were lost once again, also to make sure it was his.
D) He blocked me right after I got a message saying disconnected from server and the password eventually changed.
This proves to me that the ‘original owner may’ infact me a ‘scammer’ as well. Since he has the ability to recall it, also the unnecessary reason to block me and recall the account when I clearly told him before showing him ingame that “dude, don’t lie to me, if this is ur account, ill give it back right now” yet he still declined and said he was not the original owner regardless of the coincidental issues I have stated above. At this point I have had known that the original owner was responsible for this, and also that someone “in that guild I got kicked from” knew my AIM and contacted me fairly quickly after I was removed from guild and shortly after I told the guild my AIM. Seems to me the original owner may be in the guild at the time (was present), or most possibly the person I was talking to. Or someone in that guild told the original owner my AIM that’s how he got in contact with me. I doubt alysis (the person who bought the account off sublime) did this since, he was reported to have been scammed and ‘not’ have the sa and sq for recalling.
Cyntrios Thoery Part III: (And the Final Conclusion)
I contact all my friends on AIM and traders and tell them Cyntrios33 is a scammer and that he traded me a scammed account. I had a discussion with 2 legit people, not to mention their names due to privacy or their aim name, and I explained to them what had happened. They told me to recall my account. Cyntrios33 believe I had no ability to recall my account so he continued to play it relaxingly. I told a friend of mine on AIM to make a character on my priest’s server to check if my toon was online. Guess what? He replied to me that yes he was online and that he was currently in Ironforge. How convenient. I giggled and he asked me whether he should harass him, I declined to let him do so. He let me on his account, I went on for a while to make sure that cyntrios the former scammer was on my priest , and he was and seemed really enjoyed my priest. Sublife – the original owner of that account was not ‘my’ base of problem so hence even though he is a ‘scammer’ he is not ‘my scammer’ and I had not been scammed by him as alysis did. The main problem was Cyntrios33 since he was the one who traded me the scammed account. Luckily Cyntrios was smart enough to trade the scammed account to some lazy person like me who took it from him regardless of these vast clues and warnings I had received. Cyntrios ‘is’ smart since he constantly changes his AIM names and his ability to assume the role of the original owner when he is infact ‘not.’ So anyways I was really upset at this time since a) sublife account got recalled b) Cyntrios33 lied to me about the legiteness of the account. In the end I found out the SUBLIFE account was in fact a scammed account taken by Cyntrios and traded to me. This makes ME and ALYSIS stuck in the middle of 2 Legitimate Scammers – Cyntrios33 and Sublime1983. Sublife is the original owner of the account and the person who scammed Alysis and recalled it regardless to the fact that Alyssis bought it off him. Whereas Cyntrios somehow scammed Sublife and took his account and knowing that it will be recalled traded it quickly to ME. I and Alysis are the Bait here. I have no idea who Alysis is but I know that he had got scammed like by the original owner, whereas I got scammed by Sublimes apprentice “Cyntrios33.” The reason to why I call them apprentice is under the circum stances that they both harbor the similar goal. Cyntrios just did the ‘dirty work’ for sublime and got rid of the account only to be recalled again. If my theory is infact true, The original owner of sublife is a secondary scammer and cyntrios is a primary scammer for me under the circumstances of my ‘case.’ There may be once again many people involved in this case, much that I have not even known of, however I was the victim of this and I felt the need to tell everyone on markeedragon what I had experienced during these two days.
It is time to recall the account and after taking advice from two of my friends I successfully recall it. My account is now in my hands and I thank god I was the original owner of my own account. Today I have learned a great lesson, and this I will not forget in my future years with the outstanding community of markeedragon. PS I managed to get a copy of SUBLIFE’S Account page, I have a screenshot and a Detailed info including Name, Address, Email address, Phone number, Some part of his credit card, date of when account was created etc. Ill post some info here.
SUBLIFE [Logout]
Account Status:
Active
This account is active and can be used for playing.
Account Created:
November 26, 2004 6:42 PM PST
Last Login:
March 2, 2006 12:02 AM PST
Contact Information:
Contact Address:
<font color="red"> removed by Admin </font>
Phone Number: <font color="red"> removed by Admin </font>
Email Address:
[email protected]
Billing Information:
Subscription: $14.99 USD 1 Month Recurring
Payment Method:
Visa
Next Bill Date: April 1, 2006 4:10 AM PST
Notes: Your Visa will be automatically billed on April 1, 2006 4:10 AM PST
Date:
Amount:
Billing Plan:
Status:
01/03/06 USD14.99 USD 1 Month Recurring
Active
01/04/06 USD14.99 USD 1 Month Recurring
Pending
Hope this helps, be aware of these people and their activity on markee, If my theory is infact true, then they are pretty much the scammers here. I however regret not to capture the message history of these people.
Regards,
PS: Thanks to my two friends who helped me in solving this case and recovering my account safely!
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In other words, for your sake, please do not post information unless you're completely sure of its content. Also do not post one's name, phone number, or home address unless he or she has given written consent.
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