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Buyer lied and opened a dispute to recover his money after getting the account

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Jaked7

Level 26

Trade Guardian Orders: 4

(100%) (3 reviews)
Country
Brazil
Member Since
May 7, 2020
Country
Brazil
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Information
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Purchase Date: February 1st (Monday)
Date the problem began: February 2nd (Tuesday)
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): Discord + EpicNPC forums
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: Artemis_Bow#0368
Your Instant Messenger ID: JakeD7#8071

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DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/500...-101-4-chars-80-mlb-80-4-weap-10-mlb.1814300/
Approximate value of property: $400,00 USD
Was Trade Guardian used? Yes
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID? - Transaction #33468, "useeds" as MM

What is the dispute about?
- The buyer opened a dispute against me on PayPal, lied to PayPal about "not having received the account after payment" when he had the account for more than 24h already.

Other details / notes:
- When the payment was on hold, as a token of good will and to make things faster, I decided to Update the transaction status so the buyer could start playing on the account, so he wouldn't miss a couple of days of in-game events and whatnot.

- As you can see in the Discord chat screenshot, even with the payment on-hold, I offered in-game help and tips, was polite and understanding, didn't put any kind of pressure on the buyer to reply fast and/or solve the payment issue, all I said was he'd have to confirm to Paypal that he got the account, 48h after the payment. I even sent him a cropped part of a screenshot HE sent previously, in FRENCH, explaining the same scenario.

- It's clear to me that he had the intention of scamming me since the beginning, that explains why he kept getting mad about the 48h confirmation and I had to explain this over 10 times because he refused to understand, even in his own language (french).

- As you can check in the TG log, I repeatedly asked the buyer to confirm to PayPal (48h after the payment) that he received the account, so the money would be given to me (it was On-Hold), and he kept denying it, lying about misunderstanding it, repeatedly saying ("I don't have a confirm button!") even tho I CAREFULLY explained LOTS of times that this would be available in 48h, not immediately, and guess what? Instead of confirming he received the account, he opened a dispute against me and lied about being scammed.

- I'd like to register that the MM (useeds) has been unresponsive since the buyer opened the dispute and is not offering a reassuring service to me (and I'm the one who paid the fee). It's been more than 24h since I asked the middleman for an update on my situation, and he just ignores me, please check the TG log.

- Due to the above mentioned scenario regarding the MM (and please, again, check the TG log), I'd also like to ask for a refund on the MM fees as well.

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Proof
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Chat Log Screenshots: As you can see, even with the money on hold, I gently offered in-game tips and help for the buyer, and only mentioned (after he asked about the money) that it was still on hold and gave instructions.

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Other proof: Paypal Dispute (even after having the account, THROUGH MIDDLEMAN)

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Final thoughts:

- The buyer shows complete dishonesty in his PayPal dispute, lying about not having the account and that I wasn't answering his messages, this is absurd.
- What I'm asking through this EpicNPC dispute form is, first and above all, my money, and that includes the $400 for the account and $29 for MM fees (since as you can see in the TG log, the MM is no longer helping me, even after I ALREADY TOLD HIM YESTERDAY that the buyer opened a PayPal dispute and lied).
- I honestly hope this guy gets punished for what he's doing, this is causing a major headache, and no one in this forum deserves to deal with dishonest people like him.
- As you can see in the TG log, the account had approximately $200 worth of in-game premium currency in it, by this point I'm fairly certain that the buyer spent all this amount, which means that account is no longer worth what it was sold for, therefore, I don't want it back, I want my money and would really appreciate if the MM was more participative in the TG transaction.
 
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So first i dont write really good in english but i will do my best so first thing is the seller didnt read the policity of paypal in his country i think he live in brazil which didnt do the method f&f but i live in france and we do f&f so like every trade i do with a mm i did f&f but like you see on the screenshot the seller show (the screen are mine btw its me who send it has proof of my good faith) he receive it like G&S so not my fault if he didnt read.
Second the seller has been rude and absolutly not polite you can ask useeds the mm i show you the conversation i got with him , the seller say things like fuc***** well you know Word of direspect and send me an ridiculouse amount of message just for say the same thing i already know which is wait 48h after i send the money , i did send a message to paypal BEFORE WE HAVE THE LAST CONVERSATION in the group with useeds the seller and me.
I did ask for cancel because i work a lot like 11hours in 5 days and i was trying my best to answer to the seller and i got yell by my boss really bad so what is more important my work who is keeping me alive or a trade who can wait 3-4 hours just for say the same things ?
I show the conversation i have with useeds in the next comment.
 
Going by topics:

- First of all, they can read the entire TG log so many of your claims can be proven false.

- What kind of "rude and unpolite" person am I, that even with the money on-hold, offered you tips for the game and asked if you were having fun with the account. wow.

- I did say "****ing button" twice, because I was really tired of explaining to you that you could confirm the transaction AFTER 48h, I really explained it very carefully more than 10 times, this can be checked in the TG log.

- Nothing you posted changed the fact that you blatantly lied to PayPal about not having the account, and opened a dispute, your work doesn't have anything to do with this, it explains nothing, just shows dishonesty.

- I never, even for a second, put pressure on the buyer to reply faster or anything that could harm him at work, as can be clearly seen in the TG log.

- I didn't sent "300 messages" or nothing like that, everytime I brought up the fact that you'd have to confirm the transaction, you just kept repeating the same "I DON'T HAVE A CONFIRM BUTTON" thing, all I did was POLITELY and CALMLY explain that it would be available only after 48h, not immediately.

- I find really funny that from the screenshots above, the MM has been replying the guy that opened a dispute and lied on PayPal but hasn't replied me for two days now, and I'm the one without the account and without the money.

- I had no problem with ultimately waiting 21 days for the money to be approved by PayPal, but that would happen if you didn't open a dispute, and you DID.

- Nothing justifies your attitude, opening a dispute and lying to PayPal about not having the account is absurd, I hope you get punished in this forum for doing that.

- All things considered, I still don't know how this money is going to reach me and I want to reemphasize that I want the MM fees back, for obvious reasons.
 
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You say can clearly see in the tg but show picture of it ? Stop lying the dispute has been close after the last conversation in the tg because useeds ask me to wait and i say yes np
Me punished and you sir ? Talking trash to people direspect them send an ridiculouse amount of message then people are at work , you are not without money because i dont have it anymore on my bank account and its been two days i still dont have the confirm button the screenshot proof it , take responsability for the lack of serious you been put in this you didnt read the policity of your country about the method of payement if you did nothing of all of this would happen its the first time i got problem like this since im on epic its been 2 years with this email and 5 years with another i lost unfortunatly and i seen many people but like you never you lie you talk trash you dont take responsability even when people show proof who clearly show that you are lying the only proof and screen you have are the one i give you in the tg otherwise you have none so stop acting like you are not the problem because even useeds the mm and moderator like you see in the screen say that you try to upset me and say things i dont want but thats not going to happen sir never because i respect people i dont know unlike you , youre going to have your money its already send from my bank account i cant do more than that and yes i open a dispute before the last conversation in the tg because i been tired of my boss who yell at me and almost fired me because of your bad message who say im a lier etc.
 
- My thread never specified PayPal F&F as a payment method, it specifically said "PayPal", so you're the one who should have asked before doing a different payment method.

- I never sent 300 messages, I only talked in the TG chat to reply messages from either you or the MM, I'm pretty sure they can read the TG chat and see who's wrong here.

- OF COURSE you don't have a confirm button after 48h now, since you opened a dispute saying that you never received the account, well, duh?

- Lack of seriousness? Since the beginning of the transaction I was fast, understanding and polite, this all can be confirmed through logs.

- Since you have trouble understanding simple things, I don't need to send any TG screenshot in here because they have access to the logs and can read it entirely.

- The only proof you've shown is that you made the transfer that day, and even with the money on-hold I decided to trust you and authorized the MM to give you the acc, my mistake, but shows how good-hearted I was in this transaction.

- You being mad over your work is not a valid reason to LIE TO PAYPAL about not having the account and open a dispute, this is not a professional or ethical behavior.
 
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If you do paypal with mm youre not going to send it via G&S otherwise the guy is clearly trying to scam you which is not my case because i send it via F&F
Not 300 but you did send a lot on epic and discord the dispute is close since the end of the last conversation in TG
Yes of course you dont need because you know if you show screen youre gonna show that you are in the wrong
No i send screen of the moment i send the payment i send screen of the details and i send screen of the email i receive of paypal
Is not a valid reason ?! Dont need to comment that one
 
"Yes of course you dont need because you know if you show screen youre gonna show that you are in the wrong"

- No, I don't need, because for the 4th time, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE CONVERSATION, they can read it entirely.

"Is not a valid reason ?! Dont need to comment that one"

- If you think getting mad over your RL work is a good reason to open a dispute on PayPal and lie about it, calling an honest seller a scammer when you already have the account, just goes to show how good of a trader/person you are.

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I'm done arguing with you here, it's pointless.
Either show proof of you saying to PayPal that the dispute was false and you have the account, or you're still lying.
I'm not gonna reply you anymore, I'm gonna wait for Admin's instructions.
 
For the 100 times the dispute has been close after the end of the conversation in the TG , yes its pointless like you say , remember if you have read the policity nothing of all of this would happen
Yes it is a good reason because i dont need what i do here for live and my work yes
I stop because im tired i wait for the admin.
 
The money is send i cant do much more otherwise i can show screenshot of the details
You cannot keep both money and the account.
You opened a dispute with the paypal for no reason. Close the dispute. Then go to paypal transaction page. You will see a button called 'confirm receipt'. Once you press it, the hold will be removed from the seller's funds.

You've been asked to do this since the beginning of the trade. Paypal gives you 2 days to check what you paid for. It says you can confirm receipt in 48 hours from now. It's been more than that. All you had to do was to go to the trade and press the button. Instead you disputed the payment and kept the account.

Do you understand what you need to do now, or do you need more people to explain it to you?
 
If seller updated shipping info during the trade, it would tell them that the hold will be removed within 7 days. So maybe 7 days have passed already and it confirmed automatically. the problem here was that you disputed the payment. so we will wait for the seller to confirm whether the fudns are still on hold or dispute closed.
 
lets wait for the seller to confirm it. you still sent mobile screenshots. Do you have PC at home? To log in to paypal from there and see if there is a button to confirm the payment. Maybe it just doesn't show up on mobile phone.
 
Banned - scammer https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-disputes-against-shiyochan.2102158/
since no one knows, how paypal in europe works, im gonna help you.

Samu76 has the option Friends and Framily, the country Brazil does not have it, thats why he cant use it.

Goods and Service, depends on the Amount and on the Age of the recievers Paypal ,it maybe take more then 48 Hours.

In this case, the seller should call paypal and ask them, whats the problem.

- Samu76 has no CONFIRMATION button, there wont be one, i can guarantee you that.

would bet 100 bucks he wont have it tomorrow or in 1 week :)

but i just guess, recievers paypal is just new.
 
I didn't had anything to update because the money wasn't available yet, so I was just waiting.

I finally got the money this morning, after a whole lot of waiting and contacting PayPal more than 5 times during this time.
I appreciate the ones who came in here to help, it's finally solved.

On another note, I think the buyer should be warned because of this nonsense dispute he opened while having the account, made things harder for no reason, and who knows what would've happened if I didn't open this thread.

Anyways, thanks @ARMIK and @EpicNPC CM !
 
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