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WoW Account Recovered By Seller (or the OO who he knows)

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gamal88

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Information
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Purchase Date: Friday February 12th 2021
Date the problem began: Sunday February 14th 2021
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): EpicNPC chat (some discord chat screens will be provided)
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: Jperry332 on Epic NPC. Hammerz#2584 on discord
Your Instant Messenger ID: gamal#6512 on Discord


DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/214-dh-vanity.1865778/
Approximate value of property: $475 USD is what I paid Jperry332
Was Trade Guardian used? Yes and @useeds was the MM
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID? Transaction #34179


What is the dispute about?

Purchased the account from Jperry332. Paid via friends and family on paypal. Had some initial issues with seller before eventually coming back to the table to get something done (will post PDF/screens of those issues) Completed the deal through TG. I asked the seller if he was the original owner and what the recall likelihood was. Seller said there was zero chance of recall. He had been using it for 3 months, and that he had known the OO for 6 months doing business with him, had his Discord, phone number ETC. I had been playing the account since it was purchased on Friday, and Sunday night I logged on and was unable to do so as the account had been recovered/recalled. I got an email saying the account had a recover attempt submitted to blizzard.

Other details / notes:
I am happy to provide all screenshots of our conversations. These are just initial shots to start the dispute.


Proof
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Account Recalls
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In the above email screenshot you clearly see there was a Blizzard support ticket raised along with the Ticket number etc. Seller said he is not the original owner, but had the account for 3 months. Seller also said he knows the original owner, has his phone number/discord. At this point I am unable to login to the account with the email I used to secure the account after the deal is made since the account is recalled.
 

Attachments

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
I have contacted the original owner of the account and am more then willing to prove my ID to prove I am not the original owner as I stated to the customer, what happens is out of my hands.
 
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Adding my whole EpicNPC/Discord chats with seller. Also can screenshot all of the Trade Guardian chats with useeds if necessary too.
 

Attachments

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
dude I told you straight up I was not the original owner of the account.
 
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Do not know what these messages are about, but will continue adding anything the seller contacts me with to the post.
 
WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
On my personal discord...??? Like the ****. I have nothing to do with it
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
I STATED CLEARLY I WAS NOT THE ORIGIAL OWNER OF THE ACCOUNT............ YES WE WERE FRIENDS OBVIOUSLY HE SCAMMED ME THE ACCOUNT WAS MADE IN FKING CHILI
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
When buying any wow account ever you risk the chance of recall. Nothing can be done if you are not the original owner of the account.
 
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Posting a discord screenshot as the sellers above discord screenshot is misleading. In his screenshot he appears to have messaged someone at 12:48, where in my above screenshot he said he messaged him around 10-10:30 and he had not responded. Also posting the discord photo that you see in my chat with him where he is claiming "Mac" is OO or whatever and that he sold him an account today. The user in the discord screenshot that the seller just posted is different than what he sent me.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
I have done over 12 trades/sales in 2 says Mac is the OO of a warlock I traded for
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
Can some epicnpc staff contact me please, I need to know the rules on this. How do I possibly control and account I’m not the original owner of......?
 
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had the account added on one of my others, can be seen here that it is signed in via Mobile/been accessed 7 hours ago
 

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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
Can you respond? If I’m not the original owner what can I do
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
I have legit 10 accounts right now why risk my reputation for one account, it just doesn’t make any sense dude...
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
Proof of Getting the DH in a trade
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
Proof of how I acquired the Demon Hunter
 
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Around 1:25ish AM EST Seller posted screenshots from Discord regard him trading for a DH on 02/09/2021. This completely contradicts what he told me over Discord and on Epic NPC chat. Screenshots below highlighting those claims. The two screenshots I am posting contradicts themselves actually, one says 3 months, the other says 2 months. When you verify these chats/claims against the Discord screenshots he just posted the story does not align.

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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
That’s a whole different account we’re talking about right there LOL
 
Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/failure-to-payback-loan-and-ignores-my-messages.2090927/
So even if your not the original owner your responsible for everything you sell.
 
As stated above we hold sellers responsible for what they sell. @Jperry332 A full refund is owed or you have to give an account with equal value. If the person you bought it from has an EpicNPC account here you can open a dispute against them.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
I have a bunch of accounts right now, I can try to find him another demon hunter I’m totally willing to give him an account of the sale value
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
All I’m trying to say is it’s not my fault the account was recalled it’s totally out of my control.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
The risks apparent? You act like it’s my fault the account got recovered. Explain how there is anything I can do please
 
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@Adoxia I don't want to debate with seller anymore. The rules are rules whether he likes them or not. Posting last discord message with him and I do not intend on responding to him further, he has my PayPal which is all he needs to give the refund. I will not accept a different account. I will only accept a refund.

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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
Like I said you can wait for a refund then, when I have the funds available.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
The trade with caution is bullshit, I’ve never scammed anyone and this is not my fault
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
It would be this coming Friday I can afford to refund but if I’m not selling the accounts I have in stock how am I going to pay him?
 
The trade with caution is bullshit, I’ve never scammed anyone and this is not my fault
Sellers hold responsibility for what they sell. Regardless if you were the one who recalled the account or whoever you bought the account from recalled it. In this case your buyer has lost out of what he purchased. This is the risk resellers take when they decide to resell accounts. The trade with caution remains until the dispute is resolved. The dispute can be closed prior to the payment if you and @gamal88 can come to an agreement and then if you fail to uphold the agreement the dispute will be re-opened.
 
I am not coming to an agreement other than a full refund to my PayPal account as I’ve said. This is final for me. Period amen.

Please set a date for him to complete it @Adoxia and I will be sure to update this post with any new information if any comes along.
 
I am not coming to an agreement other than a full refund to my PayPal account as I’ve said. This is final for me. Period amen.

Please set a date for him to complete it @Adoxia and I will be sure to update this post with any new information if any comes along.
It was not a negotiation for price. It was for you two to discuss a timeline that is agreeable for both users. If you do not wish to do that then he will be given until 02/22 to refund.
 
It was not a negotiation for price. It was for you two to discuss a timeline that is agreeable for both users. If you do not wish to do that then he will be given until 02/22 to refund.
2/22 is a reasonable deadline to me. He did say this coming Friday he can refund. So I guess we will just see what happens by 2/22.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
I understand all that, I don’t understand why I have trade with caution when there was nothing I could have done differently?
 
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Adding further conversations with Seller. I won't be messaging them again but will continue to always post anything they send me.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
Because I already told you to stop messaging me.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
I 100% believe you had something to do with this
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scam-alert-jperry332.1868800/
3rd time he said he was going to message me BTW
 
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