Information
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Dispute Date: Oct 14, 2014
Method of Contact Used: Skype
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: tomynica
EpicNPC username of the person you're accusing: tomynica
Your Instant Messenger ID: Skype Name: zaxos_a. Skype Nickname: Zach D
Other information:
DISPUTE Information
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What is the dispute about? Money / Account
Link of transaction thread: /threads/676171-S3-Diamond-S4-Diamond-5-All-champions-10-rune-pages
Approximate value of property: $120,1697 USD
Was a middleman used? No
Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Logs:
Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the transaction? Yes
Have you traded with this person before? No, but I spoke to 2 guys that traded with him before.
Approximately how many transactions have you done on EpicNPC? About 12, all successful
I am a soon-to-be father with a family and lots of student expenses and that account would be a way out for me to chill when I'm done with studies and work. I actually mentioned that part to him and told him that if he was after scamming someone, I wouldn't care as long as he just let me alone since I would (and I do) really miss that kind of money. Guess there are people that completely lack morals after all.
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The PaysafeCard Customer Service is willing and will give all necessary info of when and where the cards where used to the corresponding Police Department after a report is filed.
A Fraud Case Number is issued and will be forwarded to the corresponding Electronic Crime Departments with Skype logs included. All they needed was what we agreed upon and what happened.
There is a god after all \o/
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Another update. The Greek Cybercrime Center (cybercc.gr/) called back and informed me about the validity of the case in co-operation with PaysafeCard Wertkarten GmBH and it's forwarded out of Greece.
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Dispute Date: Oct 14, 2014
Method of Contact Used: Skype
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: tomynica
EpicNPC username of the person you're accusing: tomynica
Your Instant Messenger ID: Skype Name: zaxos_a. Skype Nickname: Zach D
Other information:
DISPUTE Information
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What is the dispute about? Money / Account
Link of transaction thread: /threads/676171-S3-Diamond-S4-Diamond-5-All-champions-10-rune-pages
Approximate value of property: $120,1697 USD
Was a middleman used? No
Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Logs:
[12:34:34] tomynica: hi?
[12:42:23] Zach D: Hello.
[12:42:31] tomynica: hi
[12:42:31] Zach D: I'm interested in a LoL account, remind me which one do you have?
[12:42:44] tomynica: /threads/676171-S3-Diamond-S4-Diamond-5-All-champions-10-rune-pages?p=3909821#post3909821
[12:42:55] Zach D: Oh right. What is your price Tomy?
[12:43:28] tomynica: not sure, looking for some offers
[12:43:38] Zach D: I can't offer you a lot so what do you expect to get from it?
[12:43:47] Zach D: I guess more than 120USD?
[12:44:14] tomynica: we could negotiate about it
[12:44:21] tomynica: sold 3 so far, this is the last one so far
[12:44:43] Zach D: Because I have a family I can't spend more than 120 USD on an account, unfortunately
[12:45:01] Zach D: I could go as far as 140 but I'll still have difficulties
[12:45:19] tomynica: i can accept that, why not
[12:45:24] tomynica: it's not low money at all
[12:45:47] Zach D: You're like the first one that's reasonable lol. I sold my Diamond I account for 90 euroes
[12:46:13] tomynica: well i just want to get rid of those accounts
[12:46:29] tomynica: then i'll buy some low ranked with a lot of champs, boost to diamond and resell
[12:46:32] Zach D: So, can we close a deal at 120? I can instantly buy it at that price.
[12:46:36] tomynica: that's how i'll try to earn some money
[12:46:48] tomynica: sure, sounds fair to me
[12:47:08] tomynica: what type of payments can you use
[12:47:10] Zach D: I prefer to have a video-call with you, show ourselves (ids whatever) and procceed.
[12:47:14] Zach D: I can use paypal, no big deal.
[12:48:06] tomynica: why do you need that lol
[12:48:10] tomynica: i never had a request like that
[12:48:19] Zach D: I don't really care, but it feels safer for both me and you.
[12:48:41] tomynica: no need for that if you ask me
[12:48:50] tomynica: used to boost 2 years ago, everything was great
[12:49:01] tomynica: sold 3 accounts in last 2 weeks, again everything great
[12:49:15] Zach D: I know, it's just that when I bought my previous 2 accounts both were recalled (by people with feedback) and I lsot my money
[12:49:29] Zach D: I'm a bit pissed at that, hehe
[12:49:49] tomynica: thats why you either ask for some details that are necessary for that
[12:50:03] tomynica: or you just report that account as being sold/still for sale so that riot bans that *******
[12:50:09] tomynica: they can see IP etc
[12:50:29] tomynica: i sold my main for 300$ to some swedish guy and no problem about that
[12:50:36] tomynica: i decided i wont just play league
[12:50:44] tomynica: when i can play AND earn some money
[12:51:21 | Edited 12:51:27] Zach D: Excuse me but I feel a bit uncomfortable with such trades because of my history with them, not because of you, you seem great.
[12:51:34] Zach D: And my guarantees for the transaction are?
[12:52:06] tomynica: last 3 guys? i can give you their skype contact or just copy paste whole conversation between us?
[12:52:13] tomynica: if that will make you feel more comfortable
[12:52:44] tomynica: and ye, forgot to mention that they gave me their money upfront
[12:53:02] tomynica: so i could easily **** them over but i didnt, im that that type of a person
[12:53:18] Zach D: I'll give you the money upfront as well. There's no problem with that.
[12:53:20] tomynica: anyways, you want those chats?
[12:53:31] Zach D: Nope, waste of time. How do we proceed?
[12:53:51] tomynica: well we gotta agree about the payment first
[12:54:01] tomynica: can you use like PSC or Skrill maybe or PayPal only?
[12:54:07] Zach D: It just feels like getting to know each other is safer (that's why I suggested that we talk in person).
[12:54:28] Zach D: Hmmm, I have the money on my debit card. I could go get a Paysafecard.
[12:54:40] tomynica: that would be great
[12:54:48] tomynica: its the easiest way for me to get that money
[12:55:09] tomynica: dunno why but i gotta wait for a month at PayPal after the transcation to be able to use that mney
[12:55:22] tomynica: do you know maybe why? i keep asking that everyone but seems like nobody knows lol
[12:55:52] Zach D: You either have an unverified or an untrusted account
[12:55:55] Zach D: Those are the only reasons afaik
[12:56:00] tomynica: im verified
[12:56:18] Zach D: I'm using paypal since it came out (work and stuff) and I never had a problem, and nobody I know ever did, mmm
[12:56:38] tomynica: and it has to be trusted since i buy from ebay + i used to boost 2 years back, did like 200+ orders and everything was fine
[12:56:53] tomynica: no idea, i might just message their support
[12:57:02] tomynica: maybe i need to sell something over ebay, no idea
[12:57:12] Zach D: That seems like the only way, contacting the support team ^^
[12:57:31] Zach D: Anyway. 120USD = 94,4EUR, I'll go get 3 paysafes (50 + 20 + 20 + 5)
[12:57:47] tomynica: alright, seems good
[12:58:11] tomynica: and ye, you will just jhave to play a ranked game within 3 or 4 days since i wasn't active that much in aslt few months
[12:58:19] Zach D: I'll be back in about 30 minutes.
[12:58:26] Zach D: Oh don't worry, the account's getting challenger.
[12:58:31] tomynica:
[12:58:39] Zach D: I never got inactive, I sold my accounts because I really needed money
[12:59:06] tomynica: well you can prbably boost this one up to D1 or challenger as you said and then resell it for a bigger money
[12:59:22] tomynica: would do it myself but D5-3 is kinda my highest
[13:00:04] Zach D: Oh I'm not interested in money anymore. I want an account to play on my free time, and that's it
[13:01:02] Zach D: I'm going to get the PSCs. Be right back soon-ish.
[13:01:13] tomynica: alright, ill be around
[13:02:35] Zach D: And sincerely, even though I believe that you're a great and honest guy, if that's not the case I would kindly ask you not to scam me, the only reason is because I will really miss that money having a kid on the way. Other than that, we're cool.
[13:02:39] Zach D: Off for the PSCs!
[13:03:09] tomynica: no worries, we're fine
[13:08:57] tomynica: i just realized for how low you sold your accounti sold my main for 300$ and it wasn't even near yours lol
[13:35:13] Zach D: yo im back
[13:35:18] Zach D: i was trying to sell it for like 6 months
[13:35:20] Zach D: everywhere
[13:35:26] Zach D: noone was interested
[13:35:39] tomynica: ye, i was selling it for like 3 months
[13:35:39] Zach D: people wanted to buy it for reasonable prices (90-160 euroes)
[13:35:45] tomynica: then some swedish guy came and gave me 300$ lol
[13:37:14] Zach D: So how do you wanna proceed?
[13:38:04] tomynica: same as i did with last 3 accounts? if thats fine with you ofc
[13:38:34] Zach D: Well you are getting the money, I have the cards bought in front of me and I can show them to you
[13:39:01] tomynica: they gave me PSC codes, i used them, i gave them username and password, they changed password, they requested and email change, i gave them the code that came to my email, they verified their email and thats pretty much it
[13:39:27] tomynica: i dont even know how that psc looks like to be honest, i never used them, just got paid with them
[13:39:44] Zach D: just a long letter indicating the amount and the code
[13:40:00] tomynica: ye i know that one
[13:40:02] tomynica: 16 digit number
[13:40:15] tomynica: got paid with it many times for boosting and now for accounts
[13:40:31] Zach D: gimme le account details to inspect it
[13:40:59] tomynica: uhm, you can steal it? why you suddenly ask for this
[13:41:12] Zach D: i can't steal it if you have the e-mail, just want to verify the contents and your credibility
[13:41:22] Zach D: in return i can show you 95euros of PSCs on my camera
[13:42:10] tomynica: im not sure about that, i had some low silver account verified to my email and suddenly its not mine anymore
[13:42:27] tomynica: they guy must have somehow got the code, but no idea how
[13:43:04] Zach D: How do I verify the contents and your credibility before I give you the money?
[13:43:51] tomynica: i asked you do you want skype contacts and whole conversations between my last 3 trades, you said no
[13:43:59] tomynica: just ask for it, its not hard for me to copy paste that
[13:44:09] Zach D: well that can be easily made up or have a friend send them!
[13:44:19] Zach D: Most people send written licences with a picture of their ID card next to them (that's how I sold all my WoW and LoL accounts, I wrote down that I give all my rights to the buyer and I had my ID next to that letter.
[13:44:45] Zach D: I can pay you up front, but I need some short of guarantee I'm getting the account.
[13:45:08] Zach D: Since we can't chat face-to-face
[13:45:12] tomynica: Contact received from tomynica
[13:45:25] tomynica: thats the one that bought my plat5 smurf for 40€
[13:45:36] tomynica: he bought it for his GF as he said
[13:46:03] tomynica: swedish guy is on my boosting skype and i need just to login over there if you want it?
[13:46:12] tomynica: add them and talk, got no problems with that
[13:47:06] Zach D: Tomy as a person, I like you, I dig you. You're fine. It's the internet I don't trust, because as you can very well see, I am about to give 95 euros and I will be at a loose end, I have nothing in return, not even a sneak peak as to who am I trading with / the account I am getting
[13:47:12] Zach D: Yeah talking to him would help a lot!
[13:47:28] tomynica: give me a minute
[13:47:32] Zach D: Tyt
[13:48:32] tomynica: his skype is - calamitypro
[13:48:36] tomynica: swedish guy
[13:48:51] Zach D: added
[13:51:11] tomynica: alright
[13:57:25] tomynica: sure, np
[13:57:31] tomynica: i got last 2 guys as well
[13:57:34] Zach D: 50 Euros: 0801 2085 7071 7580
25 Euros: 0644 5750 1515 5471
10 Euros: 0037 6225 6193 8121
10 Euros: 0628 8073 2012 3414
Total Sum of 95,00 Euros (120,1697USD)
[13:58:41] tomynica: ok, first one works
[13:58:45] Zach D: They all work.
[14:00:23] tomynica: second and third also workds
[14:00:25] tomynica: works
[14:00:36] Zach D:
[14:02:36] Zach D: Where are you redeeming the codes by the way?
[14:02:56] tomynica: at some store
[14:03:00] tomynica: ok, i used them
[14:03:05] Zach D: Good.
[14:03:11] Zach D: There you go, you're paid!
[14:03:41] tomynica: alright, ill just change a password of an account to something else, not sure if i use it for some email or something
[14:03:42] tomynica: just a minute
[14:03:49] tomynica: just in case
[14:03:55] Zach D: No problem. Go ahead.
-WENT OFFLINE-
Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the transaction? Yes
Have you traded with this person before? No, but I spoke to 2 guys that traded with him before.
Approximately how many transactions have you done on EpicNPC? About 12, all successful
I am a soon-to-be father with a family and lots of student expenses and that account would be a way out for me to chill when I'm done with studies and work. I actually mentioned that part to him and told him that if he was after scamming someone, I wouldn't care as long as he just let me alone since I would (and I do) really miss that kind of money. Guess there are people that completely lack morals after all.
- - - Updated - - -
The PaysafeCard Customer Service is willing and will give all necessary info of when and where the cards where used to the corresponding Police Department after a report is filed.
A Fraud Case Number is issued and will be forwarded to the corresponding Electronic Crime Departments with Skype logs included. All they needed was what we agreed upon and what happened.
There is a god after all \o/
- - - Updated - - -
Another update. The Greek Cybercrime Center (cybercc.gr/) called back and informed me about the validity of the case in co-operation with PaysafeCard Wertkarten GmBH and it's forwarded out of Greece.
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