Scammmer @SkySoar dont trust him ever!! Stolen $772

[Triedge175]

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Information
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Purchase Date: Feb 5th, 2023
Date the problem began: same day
Method of Contact Used (chat program): on website and discord
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: [not the display name, must be real username] SkySoar
Your Instant Messenger ID:
73127 this is the chat.
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Other information:


DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread):
Approximate value of property: $XXX.XX USD $772
Was Trade Guardian used? Yes
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID?
73127

What is the dispute about? He took the back the account from me After middleman didn't even check to see if he was link to Facebook. The guy had 2 social media links on so he was able to log back in and the take and it and its middle man fought... I'm so pissed off

Fick

Other details / notes:
He never denied and I already gave him money and it went threw on paypal. I try telling paypal he scam me but it was nothing they can do and it all middleman fought @DOPEBOOST . He didnt even check to make sure all of the social media single sign on was attached. The only thing was remove by middleman was only gmail but not facebook too


Proof
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Other proof:
I also can show the Gmail that I gave the middleman to use for account transfer, But when I go to sign in with it under summoners war chronicles game, it now tell me to make a new HIVE account. Like I said he took my account threw facebook sign on

Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.

Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof) yes
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc) Screen shots of the account in pics. He has a post under summoner war chronicles
How long did you have the account before it was recalled? I had it less then 15 mins before the game told me I was kick off and someone else was signing in
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
(you can use the HIDE tag so the images are not publicly available to everyone)


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[skysoar]

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Hello, the account was only linked through Gmail and the Gmail account was given to the middleman which he had confirmed works and has given to you. The account has never been linked to Facebook so what you're saying is completely false. You have access to the account as stated by Trade Guardian. The middleman gave you the account, you changed the info, then disputed the Paypal transaction to get your money back.

Here, you say the Middleman warned you ahead of time, and to "test" me. No legitimate middleman would act this unprofessionally and risk the buyer. I doubt Rankedboost would have asked you to do such a thing which I why I immediately messaged Rankedboost about this. If Rankedboost saw any problem with the account, he would have contacted me before giving it to you and marking the transaction "Closed." I would like a moderator to ask Rankedboost to confirm or deny he had done such a thing. If you are lying about this, then I'm sure it will be obvious that you're trying to scam both me and Paypal.

 

[skysoar]

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He took the back the account from me After middleman didn't even check to see if he was link to Facebook.

In the photo above you had said the middleman privately messaged you about the Facebook linkage. Now, you're saying that the middleman never checked it.

The guy had 2 social media links on so he was able to log back in and the take and it and its middle man fought

I will assume "fought" is "fault." But not only that, you're now blaming the middleman after disputing the money AND taking the account. Your accusations are all over the place, and now you are blaming everyone for your actions.

 

[skysoar]

I also can show the Gmail that I gave the middleman to use for account transfer, But when I go to sign in with it under summoners war chronicles game, it now tell me to make a new HIVE account. Like I said he took my account threw facebook sign on

One more thing, this means nothing because you instantly transferred the account you had stolen to another email that isn't the one you gave to the middleman. If I were to attempt to do the same thing with the email I gave to Rankedboost, I would get the same exact prompt despite Rankedboost being able to access the account earlier.

 

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[EpicNPC]

There are no private messages between Triedge175 and the MM. If they spoke, it must have been offsite. @DOPEBOOST please confirm if you warned Triedge175 about the Facebook link.

I can confirm the chat image above between Triedge175 and skysoar.

I'm not but middleman told me to test you because you had facebook sign on. He told me to be careful of you
Middleman. Show me you link facebook with it too. So I went alone with it
I figure to do all of these as soon middleman show me there was a Facebook link on the account and you didn't even tell me or him about it
I knew right then you was trying to scam

Based what Triedge175 posted himself, the MM did check and warn him about the Facebook link.


Triedge175 - claiming account was recalled first, then he disputed payment
skysoar - claiming the payment was disputed first, then he recalled.

In short, someone is lying.

Both buyer and seller. Please record a video of the Paypal payment.

1) Show the original payment details page.
2) Go to the resolution center and show the active dispute that is currently open.

Please upload to Youtube (unlisted) and reply here with the URL. You can use the 'hide' tags so the URL won't be publicly visible.

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[skysoar]

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[skysoar]

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[EpicNPC]

Timestamps are EST and based on chat timestamps. All chat timestamps were EST. The paypal video timestamp showed 6:18 PM PST as the time the dispute was opened. That's 9:18pm EST when converted.

7:46 pm - payment sent
8:25 pm - transaction completed
8:37 pm - skysoar sends message Triedge175 about payment dispute

My friend, please do not do this to me. I’m the original owner so I can always just recover it
Then you’ll just have your account and be negative 800$

8:51 pm - Triedge175 posts the account was recalled

Middleman.... he scam me and you didn't secure my account ****!!!!..... he had Facebook sign on and he scam me and tool my $700

9:18 pm - Paypal dispute opened (timestamp based on video)


I'm confused.

12 mins after the transaction was completed, skysoar you messaged Triedge175 at 8:37pm.

"please do not do this to me". Do what? Nothing happened yet, so I don't understand this message. Why did you message him when there was no Paypal dispute opened yet? The payment dispute wasn't opened for another 40 mins. What happened 12 mins after the transaction was completed?

 

[skysoar]

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Timestamps are EST and based on chat timestamps. All chat timestamps were EST. The paypal video timestamp showed 6:18 PM PST as the time the dispute was opened. That's 9:18pm EST when converted.

7:46 pm - payment sent
8:25 pm - transaction completed
8:37 pm - skysoar sends message Triedge175 about payment dispute

8:51 pm - Triedge175 posts the account was recalled

9:18 pm - Paypal dispute opened (timestamp based on video)


I'm confused.

12 mins after the transaction was completed, skysoar you messaged Triedge175 at 8:37pm.

"please do not do this to me". Do what? Nothing happened yet, so I don't understand this message. Why did you message him when there was no Paypal dispute opened yet? The payment dispute wasn't opened for another 40 mins. What happened 12 mins after the transaction was completed?

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[Triedge175]

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In 12 mins I was checking the account to make sure everything was there. All items and pvp rank and summoners classes and all monsters. Making sure everything is legit. And then off a sudden I was log off and I was like wtf...... I log back in and notice he was log in with Facebook, even tho @DOPEBOOST remove the Gmail and Put my Gmail on file, but because he had access to another sign in ( facebook) he was able to take it. That's what happen during that time frame.

 

[EpicNPC]

For transactions that involve trades (2 accounts) the value of the transaction is both accounts combined. A trade is double the work for a MM, so the value must be both accounts combined. This is why the MM did not accept to do the trade.


Update timeline

7:46 pm - payment sent
8:16 pm - Triedge175 confirms to MM he can access everything and everything is okay.
8:25 pm - transaction marked as completed
8:37 pm - skysoar sends message Triedge175
--- Triedge175 is supposed to transfer his account to skysoar to complete the trade. (no contact from Triedge175)
--- skysoar claims Triedge175 blocked him on discord (no evidence)
8:51 pm - Triedge175 posts the account was recalled
9:18 pm - Paypal dispute opened (timestamp based on video)

We can't accept HTML code as evidence as it's easily editable. The Discord video shows you were blocked Feb 7th, but that is not relevant to the above timeline. We cannot confirm Triedge175 blocked you on Discord immediately after they received your account.

In 12 mins I was checking the account to make sure everything was there. All items and pvp rank and summoners classes and all monsters. Making sure everything is legit.

8:16 to 8:37 = 21 minutes. skysoar messaged you 21 mins after you told the MM you had control of the account, but you didn't reply to him.

8:16 to 8:51 = 35 mins. From the time you had the account, to when you claimed it was recalled was 35 mins.

It should not take 21 mins, nor 35 mins to check items, rank and classes on an account. Maybe 5-10 mins if there's a lot to check. Why didn't you reply to skysoar when he message you 21 mins later?

If the account was recalled around 30 mins later, that's a long time to not reply when you haven't completed your end of the agreement. What is skysoar supposed to do when you stopped replying for 30 mins?


skysoar have you opened a support ticket to recover your game account?

 

[Triedge175]

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We know that and that is fine. but there no excuse for him not to check thr person security of the account. He literally didn't check for a Facebook sign on and only he check for Gmail. So because of that reason I was immediately scam. That is still his fought. No excuse

 

[Triedge175]

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Paypal threw away my case and I didn't get my money back and I lost the account. Because it was friend and family probably

 

[Triedge175]

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Bump

 

[EpicNPC]

We know that and that is fine. but there no excuse for him not to check thr person security of the account. He literally didn't check for a Facebook sign on and only he check for Gmail. So because of that reason I was immediately scam. That is still his fought. No excuse

This is an unproven statement that you yourself have contradicted multiple times. You already posted TWICE the MM did check the Facebook link and you knew it was linked. Below are your statements.

I'm not but middleman told me to test you because you had facebook sign on. He told me to be careful of you and
But what I don't understand why you try to scam me???
Middleman. Show me you link facebook with it too. So I went alone with it

Nope. I figure to do all of these as soon middleman show me there was a Facebook link on the account and you didn't even tell me or him about it

You state the MM did tell you about the FB link, warned you, but you continued anyway. Why do you keep stating the MM did not check the FB link when you already said he did twice? Your contradicting yourself so you can blame the MM.


There is no data or anything that matches Artavesis to skysoar. They are not even from the same country. The 2 sale threads are accounts from different regions. Your posts have been removed.

 

[Triedge175]

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We know that and that is fine. but there no excuse for him not to check thr person security of the account. He literally didn't check for a Facebook sign on and only he check for Gmail. So because of that reason I was immediately scam. That is still his fought. No excuse

This is an unproven statement that you yourself have contradicted multiple times. You already posted TWICE the MM did check the Facebook link and you knew it was linked.

I'm not but middleman told me to test you because you had facebook sign on. He told me to be careful of you and
But what I don't understand why you try to scam me???
Middleman. Show me you link facebook with it too. So I went alone with it

Nope. I figure to do all of these as soon middleman show me there was a Facebook link on the account and you didn't even tell me or him about it

 

[Triedge175]

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I said this to that ass whole of a scammer. Because he made me look stupid and by scamming me with such a simple task.... literally he just sign in with Facebook..... dude come on admin just go check the message logs in the translation chat. Middleman never show or said this. I was just making my self feel better and trying to get at that dam scammer. But the part about me dispute this on payapal is true and I dispute on my credit card too. I also brought it up in chat cause I want to see if the scammer was going to deny not using Facebook. And he didn't, he admit it sign on with Facebook. But I just can't believe the middleman didn't check for this

 

[Triedge175]

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Once again just reading the transaction chat. Front to bottom. Middleman NEVER check Facebook sign on. He only ask me for my Gmail info ONLY

 

[Triedge175]

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Never he once ask for Facebook .......
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[skysoar]

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For transactions that involve trades (2 accounts) the value of the transaction is both accounts combined. A trade is double the work for a MM, so the value must be both accounts combined. This is why the MM did not accept to do the trade.


Update timeline

7:46 pm - payment sent
8:16 pm - Triedge175 confirms to MM he can access everything and everything is okay.
8:25 pm - transaction marked as completed
8:37 pm - skysoar sends message Triedge175
--- Triedge175 is supposed to transfer his account to skysoar to complete the trade. (no contact from Triedge175)
--- skysoar claims Triedge175 blocked him on discord (no evidence)
8:51 pm - Triedge175 posts the account was recalled
9:18 pm - Paypal dispute opened (timestamp based on video)

We can't accept HTML code as evidence as it's easily editable. The Discord video shows you were blocked Feb 7th, but that is not relevant to the above timeline. We cannot confirm Triedge175 blocked you on Discord immediately after they received your account.


8:16 to 8:37 = 21 minutes. skysoar messaged you 21 mins after you told the MM you had control of the account, but you didn't reply to him.

8:16 to 8:51 = 35 mins. From the time you had the account, to when you claimed it was recalled was 35 mins.

It should not take 21 mins, nor 35 mins to check items, rank and classes on an account. Maybe 5-10 mins if there's a lot to check. Why didn't you reply to skysoar when he message you 21 mins later?

If the account was recalled around 30 mins later, that's a long time to not reply when you haven't completed your end of the agreement. What is skysoar supposed to do when you stopped replying for 30 mins?


skysoar have you opened a support ticket to recover your game account?

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[skysoar]

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[Triedge175]

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Bump

 

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[EpicNPC]

Once again just reading the transaction chat. Front to bottom. Middleman NEVER check Facebook sign on. He only ask me for my Gmail info ONLY

MM do not post everything they do in the chat. Part of the process is for them to check and unlink anything that was previously linked. They will not post this information in the chat.

If there's an issue, then they'll contact the seller to resolve it, mostly privately. If the problem can't be resolved and it poses a security risk for the buyer, the MM will then warn the buyer. This appears to be what happened based on your own statement.

You stated the MM told you the FB was linked, the MM warned you and you decided to continue. I will not guess if you were lying originally or lying now. Your first statement will be accepted as fact.

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skysoar your Discord video shows you were blocked on Feb 7th. The transaction took place on Feb 5th. I was only checking to see if the block was within 30 mins of the transaction being completed. It's not useful information that you were blocked 2 days later.

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skysoar please open a support ticket to recover the account. We will request a video of this ticket or emails once you have recovered the account.

 

[Triedge175]

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It don't matter. The point is he never unlink the Facebook account when checking this guy's account. It was taken from me cause of Facebook sign on

 

[DOPEBOOST]

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I just logged in again, since I did not delete the game. the account is linked to a gmail account. I assume it is the buyer's account.

do you have a way to see if someone was using the account all this time?
I unlinked the seller's facebook account through the configuration panel sir.
The seller must delete the game from his cell phone since there is no other way to remove it from the account.

Sorry I had not seen the notifications of this thread.

 

[DOPEBOOST]

Ss

 

[skysoar]

Ss

You’re a lifesaver, can you please relink it to my gmail? I’ll message you

 

[DOPEBOOST]

Ss

I just logged in again, since I did not delete the game. the account is linked to a gmail account. I assume it is the buyer's account.

do you have a way to see if someone was using the account all this time?
I unlinked the seller's facebook account through the configuration panel sir.
The seller must delete the game from his cell phone since there is no other way to remove it from the account.

Sorry I had not seen the notifications of this thread.

You’re a lifesaver, can you please relink it to my gmail? I’ll message you

yes send message in private sir

 

[skysoar]

Thanks to DOPEBOOST's help, I was able to re-login back to my account and secure it. Thank you so much! I did some double checking and everything important on the account was still there

 

[EpicNPC]

The image posted by the MM shows a Gmail and Apple link. MM confirmed that was his Apple which you can unlink if you haven't already. The Gmail should have been skysoar's Gmail, but we can't confirm this.

There was no FB account linked.

If the seller or someone else recalled the account, why would the MM's Apple account still be linked?

I can't tell if the buyer skysoar was just having problems logging in or if something actually happened to the account. Based on how easily the MM was able to login and update info, it seems like nothing happened.

skysoar is it possible you got your game accounts or Gmails mixed up?


You guys should complete the transaction and Triedge175 should transfer his account to Skyroar since he won the Paypal dispute already.

 

[skysoar]

The image posted by the MM shows a Gmail and Apple link. MM confirmed that was his Apple which you can unlink if you haven't already. The Gmail should have been skysoar's Gmail, but we can't confirm this.

There was no FB account linked.

If the seller or someone else recalled the account, why would the MM's Apple account still be linked?

I can't tell if the buyer skysoar was just having problems logging in or if something actually happened to the account. Based on how easily the MM was able to login and update info, it seems like nothing happened.

skysoar is it possible you got your game accounts or Gmails mixed up?


You guys should complete the transaction and Triedge175 should transfer his account to Skyroar since he won't the Paypal dispute already.

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[skysoar]

The image posted by the MM shows a Gmail and Apple link. MM confirmed that was his Apple which you can unlink if you haven't already. The Gmail should have been skysoar's Gmail, but we can't confirm this.

There was no FB account linked.

If the seller or someone else recalled the account, why would the MM's Apple account still be linked?

I can't tell if the buyer skysoar was just having problems logging in or if something actually happened to the account. Based on how easily the MM was able to login and update info, it seems like nothing happened.

skysoar is it possible you got your game accounts or Gmails mixed up?


You guys should complete the transaction and Triedge175 should transfer his account to Skyroar since he won the Paypal dispute already.

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[EpicNPC]

The deal was for an account trade + $700.

Only 1 account has been exchanged, so the transaction is not yet completed.

Since the TG transaction was only about the 1 account, I'll close this for now. But if the 2nd account is not exchanged, you can request this dispute be reopened or open a new dispute.

I'll leave this open for 24 hrs more.

 

[skysoar]

The deal was for an account trade + $700.

Only 1 account has been exchanged, so the transaction is not yet completed.

Since the TG transaction was only about the 1 account, I'll close this for now. But if the 2nd account is not exchanged, you can request this dispute be reopened or open a new dispute.

I'll leave this open for 24 hrs more.

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[skysoar]

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[EpicNPC]

Yes, I have removed the warning.

The warning will remain on Triedge175 until he completes his part of the trade.

 

[ARMIK]

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[EpicNPC]

Triedge175 was banned today for making a new account. It does not seem he plans to fully resolve this dispute.


Users info:
Triedge175
[email protected]
Tech4fun
[email protected]
Itachi175
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

He can be unbanned once Triedge175 transfers the 2nd account to Skyroar.