I had to repost this since I forgot to edit out some personal info... here's a copy and paste from my reply in his thread about me.
Includes me pointing out his lies, and I post the entire aim logs.. not just 3 lines taken out of context to try and make my point.
Repost:
lie more please. good job taking 3 lines out of context and posting them. why didn't you mention the account you sold me got recalled LESS than 16 hours later.. why don't you mention that I only vendored the gear for gold to recoup what I lost for paying you for a character that you were just goin to recall again... (which you did, and you got it banned GG)
why dont you mention that you keep changing your lies because I keep calling you out on them?
why didnt you mention that yesterday when I got the account back for 2 hours (was recalled less than 2 hours after I got it back) and YOU logged on to your charaacter and talked to me in game.. not knowing it was me. You talked to me like I was your friend.. I caught you red-handed.. You and a friend were in on it, or you scammed 2 people and sold this account twice.. Either way I caught you red-handed.
You never once called him a scammer or anything like that.. so your story that the OO is the scammer doesn't add up.
There's no way in hell the OO recalls this account, in the 16 hours after you just received money for it.. You yourself said you didnt talk to him in forever. What's the liklihood of that? NONE.
I'll answer for you.. because you attempted to scam me and got caught red handed.
All you've done is lie and I keep calling you out, and your story changes.. now you said Its a keylogger or I got hacked.. Wrong again, I have hundreds of accounts on my PC, none were hacked, none were stolen, except this one.
I have had 20+ accounts in my possession since Friday, the day I bought this account, and none were stolen, BUT THIS ONE.
All you've done is lie repeatedly and get called on it and change your story.
Everyone who's ever dealt with me knows I am legit.
You've lied about how long I had the account, (3 days to paypal, 2 days now on here, and it was less than 16 hours). You lied about being OO. Check the first day you contacted me, you said you registered the account yourself and wrote down the SQA.. Youve lied about the OO stealing it back, since you messaged me in game yesterday, and never once called "him" a scammer or even mentioned the account being stolen. All you did was joke with "him" and talk about other things.. Now you're just making up stories to try and cover your [censored].. Keylogger? Hacked? L O L
Here's the AIM logs:
Wednesday, January 17, 2007
5:38 PM
wowmager: hey
M2j2j: hi
wowmager: still lookin to buy?
M2j2j: what do you have?
wowmager: rogue
M2j2j: ctprofile?
server?
gold?
pvp?
xfer up?
epic mount?
sqa?
email?
cdkey?
wowmager: has 40gold on her, transfer up, no epic mount, sqa, cdkey, email, pve
M2j2j: gear?
wowmager: mantle of wicked revenge, gloves of enforcement, bf chest, 8/8NS, taut dragonhide belt and shoulders, pugio, gm sword, dragonfang blade, drakefang talisman, HoJ onyxia tooth pendant
M2j2j: i only spend 100 tops, unles youre selling really cheap
wowmager: only looking for 100
M2j2j: paypal verified?
wowmager: yes
M2j2j: send a money request to [email protected]
M2j2j: start the change of email to [email protected]
wowmager: so which email?
M2j2j: paypal request to m2j2j
M2j2j: change of email to wettoilettshirts (on the account page)
wowmager: ohhh ok
wowmager: initiated email change, sending money request in a few
M2j2j: k
wowmager: sent
M2j2j: paid
wowmager: checking
wowmager: k
wowmager: u there?
M2j2j: yes
wowmager: {censored}
wowmager: {censored}
M2j2j: password?
wowmager: {censored}
M2j2j: need 8
M2j2j:{censored}
wowmager: sorry
wowmager: k
wowmager: {censored}
wowmager: done
M2j2j: invalid SQA
wowmager: gonna verifiy email
M2j2j: hold off on that until SQA is correct, i need both or i cant buy
wowmager: checking ita gain now
wowmager: [censored], i wrote it all down when i registered, i'll send u money back until i find my file
M2j2j: ok
wowmager: can i decline or do i send it bakc?
M2j2j: i think decline is fine
M2j2j: tell me when you do
wowmager: cant decline just request it from me i guess
M2j2j: after you accept
M2j2j: click details
M2j2j: and at bottom it says refund
M2j2j: click that
wowmager: i clicked it, hmm i'll check again
wowmager: ohhh nice
wowmager: sorry i didn't see that at the bottom
M2j2j: hmm
M2j2j: i got it, sorta
M2j2j: its pending though..
M2j2j: not really sure why but i guess thats fine
wowmager: u stillw ant it when i find it?
M2j2j: yea
wowmager: k cool
Friday, January 19, 2007
4:52 AM
wowmager: u there?
M2j2j: yes
wowmager: i got my cdkey and proper sq/a if u still wanted the rogue from the other day
M2j2j: sure
wowmager: is there anyway to stop the pending refund?
M2j2j: no
wowmager: hmmm i guess send money again
wowmager: u there?
M2j2j: sec
wowmager: ok
M2j2j: what was the email?
wowmager:{censored}
wowmager: should still be in ur recent activity
M2j2j: dont see it
wowmager: or {censored}
M2j2j: how much was the rogue?
wowmager: 100
M2j2j: sent
wowmager: awesome i see it
wowmager: sq/a = {censored}
M2j2j: acct / pw?
wowmager: {censored}, dont change the password yet, what email did u want me to set it to?
M2j2j: [email protected]
M2j2j: pw isnt working
M2j2j: ahh nvm had a typo
wowmager: refresh it
wowmager: i made the new email [email protected]
M2j2j: k
M2j2j: cdkey?
wowmager: yup one sec, typing it out
wowmager: {censored}
M2j2j: awesome, just give me a sec to login and verfiy the rogue again
wowmager: SHU'HALO
wowmager: sorry caps lock
M2j2j: kk its all there thanks
wowmager: i farmed a lil bit of gold for u, made 20gold from tyr's hand and silithus, lol, bye bye rogue
M2j2j: haha thanks
wowmager: there's usually only 2 friends i had on that server and they msg me, not a big deal just ignore them or tell'em ur checkin mail or the truth, whichever u feel like
Saturday, January 20, 2007
11:55 AM
M2j2j: hey
M2j2j: you recall the rogue?
M2j2j: i'm initiating the paypal claim
wowmager: no
wowmager: what?
M2j2j: the pw is changed as of last night
M2j2j: what phone # was on it
wowmager: i did not, i gave you the cdkey and the email
M2j2j: what was the phone number on it
wowmager: {censored}
M2j2j: the phone number is incorrect, or someone has changed the email on it
wowmager: did u give out the information to anymore
M2j2j: no
M2j2j: it sat there til last night
wowmager: i dont have access to the account becuz i dont know the email
M2j2j: then i couldnt log in when i was going to pass it to my boss
M2j2j: you can easily call blizzard and get it changed if you wanted to... its funny how it suddenly gets changed on friday night, when they are closed for 2 days
wowmager: ur boss? huh?
M2j2j: i work for a farming company
M2j2j: i went to change all info to his, and i couldnt log in
M2j2j: i had to go thru all my aim logs this morning to find who sold it to me
M2j2j: im initiating the paypal claim
M2j2j: and posting on MD
wowmager: what email did u make me change it to
M2j2j: [email protected]
wowmager: it wasn't me who called or reset, i've had that account in my possesion for months now
M2j2j: how did you get the SQA ?
wowmager: i even refunded u money when i didn't have all the info at the time, why would i do it now
wowmager: it was my firends, he sold it to me a very very long time ago
M2j2j: friend or someone you bought it from who you reminded about it and they recalled it
wowmager: i didn't remind them about it, i have alll my passwords on file in my computer
wowmager: [censored]!!
wowmager: u sure u made it [email protected]?
M2j2j: you made it wettoilettshirts
wowmager: i know, but after i amde that for u
M2j2j:
wowmager (5:16:04 AM): i made the new email [email protected]
M2j2j:
yes
wowmager: did u change it again?
M2j2j:
thats 1 of my emails
M2j2j:
no
M2j2j:
i use 1 global password on all my accounts
M2j2j:
and its not working
M2j2j:
it wont let me recall, bc either the email is changed or the phone # is incorrect
wowmager: i'm testing it right now
M2j2j:
ok
12:55 PM
M2j2j:
anything..?
Monday, January 22, 2007
3:55 AM
wowmager: i didn't steal it back, stop accusing me. brutikus989 is who you want to msg. he also hasn't talked to me in a long time.
M2j2j: you sold me the account 1 day later
M2j2j: you're responible
M2j2j: you sold me the account, and it got stolen 1 day later*
Tuesday, January 23, 2007
2:08 AM
wowmager: first of it still wasn't me who recalled the rogue, 2nd of all you have the rogue in your possesion, and a dispute on paypal, meaning you're scamming me
M2j2j: nope the rogue is banned now
M2j2j: you recalled it again
M2j2j: and blizzard banned it
wowmager: u were just on it today
M2j2j: GG
M2j2j: yup
M2j2j: and it was banned tonight when you recalled it
wowmager: I didnt recall it!!!!!
wowmager: that guy hasn't come online for me to flame him
M2j2j: you sold me an account that was unsafe then
M2j2j: either way you're at fault
wowmager: it was safe for the entire time i had it, so what does that tell us
wowmager: ok, so you bring me down as a scammer even though i've done everything i could to help u, and then bash me on the forums, u [censored]
M2j2j: since it was recalled you havent done anything
wowmager: i tried emailing him, calling him, i love how you're so quick to assume and falsely accuse
M2j2j: you were talkin to me today about playing some warlock in game
M2j2j: until today i gave you benefit of the doubt.. but it sounded to me as if you sold it twice, and the 2nd buyer you were keeping in touch w/
wowmager: u never for once gave me the benefit
wowmager: i did not sell it twice, i got it from that guy
wowmager: a long time ago
wowmager: he's obviously screwing us both over
M2j2j: i didnt escalate it to a claim until today, i didnt post neg feedback til today, and i didnt post a thread til today
M2j2j: i wouldve done it 4 days ago
M2j2j: the account is banned, im probably out 100$
M2j2j: you got your $
M2j2j: the dude has a banned account
wowmager: i even had 3 positive feedbacks from my original trades, but md erased those last week, thanx man!!
M2j2j: im the one out of everything
M2j2j: i had +11
M2j2j: so what
wowmager: ur clearly gonna get ur freakin money back in the dsipute and yet i'm still gonna go down
wowmager: all u posted in paypal was "this guy is a fraud" we never talked it over, and if it lead to him being the scammer, then i would've offered a refund, u douch, but instead ur letting paypal figure it out, cuz ur so quick to assume dumb thigns
M2j2j: actually you ignored a few msgs from me on AIM over the weekend
M2j2j: tahts why i escalated it
M2j2j: and i know you saw them
M2j2j: because it said" wowmager has returned
M2j2j: directly after
M2j2j: but you never responded
M2j2j: so yes after that i would go only thru paypal
wowmager: no i signed off cuz uwere being an idiot and frustrating me i would've swore up a storm if i kept talkin to u
M2j2j: and how do you explain talkin to me this afternoon about some warlock?
wowmager: i thought it was the original owner, he told me he was playing a warlock thats why he sold it to me
wowmager: i thought that was him, but clearly u had the [censored] account back
M2j2j: exactly..
M2j2j: so you logged in to talk to him all nice
M2j2j: you never called him a scammer or anything
wowmager: i logged in to laugh at him for stealing it back
wowmager: and i knew either u or me would have ended up calling blizz, which i was gonna say, but u logged off
M2j2j: if you were goin to say something you wouldve in the 5 minutes
wowmager: which is why i asked YOU if bc was installed cuz i didn't know if u did or he did
M2j2j: i dont care anymore
M2j2j: if i lose dispute i lose 50
M2j2j: if i win it, i acutally gain 50
M2j2j: since i vendored all the gear
M2j2j: and sold it
M2j2j: sold the gold
wowmager: wowwwwwwwwwww
M2j2j: if he's the OO he'll end up getting it back
M2j2j: he needs to fax his photo ID
M2j2j: you can go after him for the rogue after that all you want, im done with this
wowmager: wow thanx a lot for screwing me over and still selling gold, get a real job [censored]
PS I had to repost this and remove the account info from the account because I forgot to last night.
Includes me pointing out his lies, and I post the entire aim logs.. not just 3 lines taken out of context to try and make my point.
Repost:
lie more please. good job taking 3 lines out of context and posting them. why didn't you mention the account you sold me got recalled LESS than 16 hours later.. why don't you mention that I only vendored the gear for gold to recoup what I lost for paying you for a character that you were just goin to recall again... (which you did, and you got it banned GG)
why dont you mention that you keep changing your lies because I keep calling you out on them?
why didnt you mention that yesterday when I got the account back for 2 hours (was recalled less than 2 hours after I got it back) and YOU logged on to your charaacter and talked to me in game.. not knowing it was me. You talked to me like I was your friend.. I caught you red-handed.. You and a friend were in on it, or you scammed 2 people and sold this account twice.. Either way I caught you red-handed.
You never once called him a scammer or anything like that.. so your story that the OO is the scammer doesn't add up.
There's no way in hell the OO recalls this account, in the 16 hours after you just received money for it.. You yourself said you didnt talk to him in forever. What's the liklihood of that? NONE.
I'll answer for you.. because you attempted to scam me and got caught red handed.
All you've done is lie and I keep calling you out, and your story changes.. now you said Its a keylogger or I got hacked.. Wrong again, I have hundreds of accounts on my PC, none were hacked, none were stolen, except this one.
I have had 20+ accounts in my possession since Friday, the day I bought this account, and none were stolen, BUT THIS ONE.
All you've done is lie repeatedly and get called on it and change your story.
Everyone who's ever dealt with me knows I am legit.
You've lied about how long I had the account, (3 days to paypal, 2 days now on here, and it was less than 16 hours). You lied about being OO. Check the first day you contacted me, you said you registered the account yourself and wrote down the SQA.. Youve lied about the OO stealing it back, since you messaged me in game yesterday, and never once called "him" a scammer or even mentioned the account being stolen. All you did was joke with "him" and talk about other things.. Now you're just making up stories to try and cover your [censored].. Keylogger? Hacked? L O L
Here's the AIM logs:
Wednesday, January 17, 2007
5:38 PM
wowmager: hey
M2j2j: hi
wowmager: still lookin to buy?
M2j2j: what do you have?
wowmager: rogue
M2j2j: ctprofile?
server?
gold?
pvp?
xfer up?
epic mount?
sqa?
email?
cdkey?
wowmager: has 40gold on her, transfer up, no epic mount, sqa, cdkey, email, pve
M2j2j: gear?
wowmager: mantle of wicked revenge, gloves of enforcement, bf chest, 8/8NS, taut dragonhide belt and shoulders, pugio, gm sword, dragonfang blade, drakefang talisman, HoJ onyxia tooth pendant
M2j2j: i only spend 100 tops, unles youre selling really cheap
wowmager: only looking for 100
M2j2j: paypal verified?
wowmager: yes
M2j2j: send a money request to [email protected]
M2j2j: start the change of email to [email protected]
wowmager: so which email?
M2j2j: paypal request to m2j2j
M2j2j: change of email to wettoilettshirts (on the account page)
wowmager: ohhh ok
wowmager: initiated email change, sending money request in a few
M2j2j: k
wowmager: sent
M2j2j: paid
wowmager: checking
wowmager: k
wowmager: u there?
M2j2j: yes
wowmager: {censored}
wowmager: {censored}
M2j2j: password?
wowmager: {censored}
M2j2j: need 8
M2j2j:{censored}
wowmager: sorry
wowmager: k
wowmager: {censored}
wowmager: done
M2j2j: invalid SQA
wowmager: gonna verifiy email
M2j2j: hold off on that until SQA is correct, i need both or i cant buy
wowmager: checking ita gain now
wowmager: [censored], i wrote it all down when i registered, i'll send u money back until i find my file
M2j2j: ok
wowmager: can i decline or do i send it bakc?
M2j2j: i think decline is fine
M2j2j: tell me when you do
wowmager: cant decline just request it from me i guess
M2j2j: after you accept
M2j2j: click details
M2j2j: and at bottom it says refund
M2j2j: click that
wowmager: i clicked it, hmm i'll check again
wowmager: ohhh nice
wowmager: sorry i didn't see that at the bottom
M2j2j: hmm
M2j2j: i got it, sorta
M2j2j: its pending though..
M2j2j: not really sure why but i guess thats fine
wowmager: u stillw ant it when i find it?
M2j2j: yea
wowmager: k cool
Friday, January 19, 2007
4:52 AM
wowmager: u there?
M2j2j: yes
wowmager: i got my cdkey and proper sq/a if u still wanted the rogue from the other day
M2j2j: sure
wowmager: is there anyway to stop the pending refund?
M2j2j: no
wowmager: hmmm i guess send money again
wowmager: u there?
M2j2j: sec
wowmager: ok
M2j2j: what was the email?
wowmager:{censored}
wowmager: should still be in ur recent activity
M2j2j: dont see it
wowmager: or {censored}
M2j2j: how much was the rogue?
wowmager: 100
M2j2j: sent
wowmager: awesome i see it
wowmager: sq/a = {censored}
M2j2j: acct / pw?
wowmager: {censored}, dont change the password yet, what email did u want me to set it to?
M2j2j: [email protected]
M2j2j: pw isnt working
M2j2j: ahh nvm had a typo
wowmager: refresh it
wowmager: i made the new email [email protected]
M2j2j: k
M2j2j: cdkey?
wowmager: yup one sec, typing it out
wowmager: {censored}
M2j2j: awesome, just give me a sec to login and verfiy the rogue again
wowmager: SHU'HALO
wowmager: sorry caps lock
M2j2j: kk its all there thanks
wowmager: i farmed a lil bit of gold for u, made 20gold from tyr's hand and silithus, lol, bye bye rogue
M2j2j: haha thanks
wowmager: there's usually only 2 friends i had on that server and they msg me, not a big deal just ignore them or tell'em ur checkin mail or the truth, whichever u feel like
Saturday, January 20, 2007
11:55 AM
M2j2j: hey
M2j2j: you recall the rogue?
M2j2j: i'm initiating the paypal claim
wowmager: no
wowmager: what?
M2j2j: the pw is changed as of last night
M2j2j: what phone # was on it
wowmager: i did not, i gave you the cdkey and the email
M2j2j: what was the phone number on it
wowmager: {censored}
M2j2j: the phone number is incorrect, or someone has changed the email on it
wowmager: did u give out the information to anymore
M2j2j: no
M2j2j: it sat there til last night
wowmager: i dont have access to the account becuz i dont know the email
M2j2j: then i couldnt log in when i was going to pass it to my boss
M2j2j: you can easily call blizzard and get it changed if you wanted to... its funny how it suddenly gets changed on friday night, when they are closed for 2 days
wowmager: ur boss? huh?
M2j2j: i work for a farming company
M2j2j: i went to change all info to his, and i couldnt log in
M2j2j: i had to go thru all my aim logs this morning to find who sold it to me
M2j2j: im initiating the paypal claim
M2j2j: and posting on MD
wowmager: what email did u make me change it to
M2j2j: [email protected]
wowmager: it wasn't me who called or reset, i've had that account in my possesion for months now
M2j2j: how did you get the SQA ?
wowmager: i even refunded u money when i didn't have all the info at the time, why would i do it now
wowmager: it was my firends, he sold it to me a very very long time ago
M2j2j: friend or someone you bought it from who you reminded about it and they recalled it
wowmager: i didn't remind them about it, i have alll my passwords on file in my computer
wowmager: [censored]!!
wowmager: u sure u made it [email protected]?
M2j2j: you made it wettoilettshirts
wowmager: i know, but after i amde that for u
M2j2j:
wowmager (5:16:04 AM): i made the new email [email protected]
M2j2j:
yes
wowmager: did u change it again?
M2j2j:
thats 1 of my emails
M2j2j:
no
M2j2j:
i use 1 global password on all my accounts
M2j2j:
and its not working
M2j2j:
it wont let me recall, bc either the email is changed or the phone # is incorrect
wowmager: i'm testing it right now
M2j2j:
ok
12:55 PM
M2j2j:
anything..?
Monday, January 22, 2007
3:55 AM
wowmager: i didn't steal it back, stop accusing me. brutikus989 is who you want to msg. he also hasn't talked to me in a long time.
M2j2j: you sold me the account 1 day later
M2j2j: you're responible
M2j2j: you sold me the account, and it got stolen 1 day later*
Tuesday, January 23, 2007
2:08 AM
wowmager: first of it still wasn't me who recalled the rogue, 2nd of all you have the rogue in your possesion, and a dispute on paypal, meaning you're scamming me
M2j2j: nope the rogue is banned now
M2j2j: you recalled it again
M2j2j: and blizzard banned it
wowmager: u were just on it today
M2j2j: GG
M2j2j: yup
M2j2j: and it was banned tonight when you recalled it
wowmager: I didnt recall it!!!!!
wowmager: that guy hasn't come online for me to flame him
M2j2j: you sold me an account that was unsafe then
M2j2j: either way you're at fault
wowmager: it was safe for the entire time i had it, so what does that tell us
wowmager: ok, so you bring me down as a scammer even though i've done everything i could to help u, and then bash me on the forums, u [censored]
M2j2j: since it was recalled you havent done anything
wowmager: i tried emailing him, calling him, i love how you're so quick to assume and falsely accuse
M2j2j: you were talkin to me today about playing some warlock in game
M2j2j: until today i gave you benefit of the doubt.. but it sounded to me as if you sold it twice, and the 2nd buyer you were keeping in touch w/
wowmager: u never for once gave me the benefit
wowmager: i did not sell it twice, i got it from that guy
wowmager: a long time ago
wowmager: he's obviously screwing us both over
M2j2j: i didnt escalate it to a claim until today, i didnt post neg feedback til today, and i didnt post a thread til today
M2j2j: i wouldve done it 4 days ago
M2j2j: the account is banned, im probably out 100$
M2j2j: you got your $
M2j2j: the dude has a banned account
wowmager: i even had 3 positive feedbacks from my original trades, but md erased those last week, thanx man!!
M2j2j: im the one out of everything
M2j2j: i had +11
M2j2j: so what
wowmager: ur clearly gonna get ur freakin money back in the dsipute and yet i'm still gonna go down
wowmager: all u posted in paypal was "this guy is a fraud" we never talked it over, and if it lead to him being the scammer, then i would've offered a refund, u douch, but instead ur letting paypal figure it out, cuz ur so quick to assume dumb thigns
M2j2j: actually you ignored a few msgs from me on AIM over the weekend
M2j2j: tahts why i escalated it
M2j2j: and i know you saw them
M2j2j: because it said" wowmager has returned
M2j2j: directly after
M2j2j: but you never responded
M2j2j: so yes after that i would go only thru paypal
wowmager: no i signed off cuz uwere being an idiot and frustrating me i would've swore up a storm if i kept talkin to u
M2j2j: and how do you explain talkin to me this afternoon about some warlock?
wowmager: i thought it was the original owner, he told me he was playing a warlock thats why he sold it to me
wowmager: i thought that was him, but clearly u had the [censored] account back
M2j2j: exactly..
M2j2j: so you logged in to talk to him all nice
M2j2j: you never called him a scammer or anything
wowmager: i logged in to laugh at him for stealing it back
wowmager: and i knew either u or me would have ended up calling blizz, which i was gonna say, but u logged off
M2j2j: if you were goin to say something you wouldve in the 5 minutes
wowmager: which is why i asked YOU if bc was installed cuz i didn't know if u did or he did
M2j2j: i dont care anymore
M2j2j: if i lose dispute i lose 50
M2j2j: if i win it, i acutally gain 50
M2j2j: since i vendored all the gear
M2j2j: and sold it
M2j2j: sold the gold
wowmager: wowwwwwwwwwww
M2j2j: if he's the OO he'll end up getting it back
M2j2j: he needs to fax his photo ID
M2j2j: you can go after him for the rogue after that all you want, im done with this
wowmager: wow thanx a lot for screwing me over and still selling gold, get a real job [censored]
PS I had to repost this and remove the account info from the account because I forgot to last night.
