Scammed.

tangowithlions · Oct 13, 2016

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EpicNPC CM · Oct 13, 2016

Fragnot -

"Just a little shoutout from me.

I regretted that i bought the account, and since it was alot of money, the only way was to contact paypal. I had 2 kids sick here at home, and wasnt able to reply to Vlad(seller) the same day. I contacted him next day, and I GAVE HIM THE ACCOUNT BACK. Before it was suspended and all that. So him getting his account back and so forth wasnt exactly true. I gave it back to him. If i wanted to try and scam, i wouldnt have contacted him and gave the account back myself.

PS. Someone just contacted me on skype mentioning this seller has scammed him for 230E"

tango-

"You're such a liar

please provide screenshots, like I did. Or ask the guy who "contacted you on Skype" to do so, otherwise your words value nothing. You're probably mad at yourself and acting accordingly.

How can you say the acc. wasn't suspended? Here's the screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/tijt7 - Now check the time I asked you on Facebook about what's going on, check the time I submitted the ticket, and check the time you answered me back. I've already posted the screenshots in which "you gave the acc. back", so please. You did it a few minutes after it had been suspended.

And I'm shocked, while posting this, I've just got this: http://imgur.com/a/Bv5Mm - You actually submitted a ticket to Blizzard right now saying that "My account is hacked, please help". I won't resort to insults, but I would advise you to channel your frustrations into something a little bit more constructive than wasting my time. Thank you.

And hopefully you'll be banned soon."

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Tango and Frag agree on deal.
2 days after sale, paypal dispute is created.
Frag gives Tango the account back?
Tango creates dispute

Correct?

tangowithlions · Oct 13, 2016

No, he doesn't give me the acc. back. I submitted a ticket to Blizzard and the acc. got suspended until everything was settled. After seeing the acc. had been suspended, he messaged me trying to act like the good guy saying that he wants to "give me the acc. back".

Even though more than 24 hours passed since he requested the refund on Paypal, without saying a single word to me. The moment he "gives me" the acc. back is after the acc. had been suspended, which means he couldn't use it anymore. He says "I could easily have scammed the money back, and keep the account. Just be happy im not that kind of person". Actually he couldn't have kept the acc., because it was suspended. And he had already scammed the money back, like 24-25 hours ago. The time can be checked in the print screens. Also, he saw my message "Hey, what's with that e-mail I got from Paypal?" a few hours after I had messaged him, yet he didn't answer until the acc. was suspended. I also attached a screenshot of the message as "seen" in the link, you can check times. Plus, you can see him saying "Dont piss me off or ill throw this account to hell", even though I was being very nice

after all that happened.

And notice that I'm filling in this ban appeal, after him posting him on my thread with literally no evidence that "I scammed someone for 230 euros", lol. Which obviously reduces the chances of me selling the acc. dramatically

. Also, you can see he submitted a ticket to Blizzard just an hour ago saying that the acc. is hacked. Probably he wants my acc. to be banned.

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http://imgur.com/a/CQI89 - I cannot believe he's doing this.

EpicNPC CM · Oct 13, 2016

One of you should have received the emails for the account being suspended correct?

Fragnot, if you gave him back the account why are you contacting blizzard about it being hacked?

tangowithlions · Oct 13, 2016

Obviously he received the e-mail since the acc. was on his personal e-mail at that time. Blizzard suspends your acc. until the matter it solved.

EpicNPC CM · Oct 13, 2016

I PMed him to respond here. We will await his response.

Fragnot · Oct 13, 2016

You can keep this chit chatting going forever.

After i decided that the account wasnt for me, i asked for the refund. My son was sick that day, and i wasnt playing on the account. The account worked just fine the last time i logged in. The morning after where i gave the account back, i didnt even tried to login. So i didnt even knew it was suspended.

Ruining your thread, what the **** are you on about? Did you see my post before i edited it? I actually wrote that you were a nice guy and friendly. Why would i ruin anything? I got the money back, and you got the account back. I dont care whats happening next.

Then this guy turns up on skype, saying he got cheated with the druid account. He said you had given him the [email protected] - which is the mail i transfered the account to. How in the hell does he have my mail if you didnt give it to him ? And how come that same email has been hacked 2 times in the last 12 hours, changing password and recovery mail?

Either you ****ed him, or he is trying to **** that gmail and think he can steal the druid account. He also contacted blizzard livechat to get the account to him, but they rejected it because they needed ID+newspaper date of today.

Do what you want. Aslong as i dont have to talk with this fella anymore.

tangowithlions · Oct 13, 2016

http://imgur.com/a/0Ar9O -As soon as I received the Paypal e-mail, I messaged him. 5:28 AM, 10/08.

http://imgur.com/a/qm8fw -The moment he sees my message, 10:37 AM, 10/08.

http://imgur.com/a/7cjbX -The moment Blizzard suspends the acc., 2:17 AM, 10/09.

http://imgur.com/a/0Ar9O -The moment he messages me, 5:14 AM, 10/09. Literally 3 hours after the acc. had been suspended, he probably couldn't log in. He had 23 hours and 46 minutes to tell me that he didn't want the acc. anymore (18 hours and 37 minutes after he sees my message), instead he didn't say a single word. YET he messages me 3 hours after the acc. was suspended.

Now, if someone had the time to ask Paypal for a refund, wouldn't they have a minute to tell you that they didn't want the acc. anymore as well?

Someone who's fair would've told you first, explained it to you why he doesn't want it anymore, and then asked for a refund.

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Listen, you cannot come in here and say that I scammed someone if you don't bring evidence, therefore I won't answer that part of your reply since it's irrelevant and it doesn't exist. If you want it to be taken seriously, provide evidence.

That's the thing, you didn't give me the acc. back, I had to submit a ticket in order to get it back, after you didn't answer for 24 hours

even if you had seen my message.

Fragnot · Oct 13, 2016

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EpicNPC CM · Oct 13, 2016

tango you are the original owner of the account correct?

Fragnot · Oct 13, 2016

No he isnt.

tangowithlions · Oct 13, 2016

"That dude" doesn't exist. Please, it takes literally 15 seconds to tell someone "Sorry, I will get to you back later and explain the whole thing", whom you're trying to fool?

Yet you didn't do it for 24 hours, even though you saw I messaged you and could have told that I was worried. And you didn't answer because your intentions were clear. I already posted the screenshots and it can easily be seen that you messaged me a couple of hours after the acc. had been suspended.

And how do you explain this http://imgur.com/a/CQI89 - it happened a few hours ago. Lemme think, you will most likely say that it was that "imaginary" guy who contacted you on Skype. Until you prove "that guy's" existence, your arguments are irrelevant.

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I'm glad you brought that up, EpicNPC, no, I am not.

http://imgur.com/a/nA1ge -He is the original owner and he's the most amazing guy in the world.

He had no obligation towards me, yet he helped me recover my acc. after it had been scammed. I hope now everything's clear as daylight. If needed he can provide you with an ID photo on a newspaper or wherever you'd like. We had this conversation a few minutes ago.

Probably Fragnot is quite mad now, he should be, because what he did is simply disgusting.

Fragnot · Oct 13, 2016

I havent tried anything, so stop telling BS.

I dont know who this ****head is on skype.. But i allready told you he talked with blizzard TODAY. Either he is BS'ing me, or you.

http://imgur.com/a/xlXAn <- lets see if he provides those proofs he mentions. You were the only one who knew about the ajukmonk gmail account, so obviously you must have talked with him at some point ?

This is turning out to be rather funny, or "interesting" to say the least.

tangowithlions · Oct 13, 2016

Are you for real? That "guy" on Skype doesn't exist until you prove its existence, stop trying. Your screenshot is irrelevant, I could ask a random stranger to message me on Skype and say bad things about you as well, everyone could do that. Until you come up with a conversation in which I am involved and in which it's proven the fact that "I scammed him", thing which never happened, "that guy" does not exist, it's an object of your imagination.

How can you still argue over this when you messaged Rasmus (the original owner of the acc.), and asked him for a picture of his ID on a newspaper after you submitted a ticket to Blizzard trying to scam the acc. AGAIN?

Fragnot · Oct 13, 2016

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tangowithlions · Oct 13, 2016

You are terribly bad at making up stories.

Instead of debating this with me, which obviously you can't 'cause you're quite dumb and you have no arguments whatsoever, I guess it is a lot more convenient to come up with a third person trying to dismiss me.

Again, "him" doesn't exist until you bring up evidence of "me scamming him with 230 euros", so I would really appreciate it if you focused on our discussion instead.

Fragnot · Oct 13, 2016

I dont know what there is to discuss.

I didnt scam you, you got your account, which i gave back without knowing it was suspended. Believe it or not.

tangowithlions · Oct 13, 2016

I'm afraid it's not up to you to decide whether you scammed me or not, you can say whatever you want. I got my acc. after submitting a ticket and having it suspended.

1. You invented a third person, "someone I scammed for 230 euros", yet this person is nowhere to be found

if they actually existed, I think they would've already posted on my thread letting everyone know that I'm a scammer. Why would someone bother messaging you? Makes no sense. You provided no evidence of the so claimed "scam" you came up with.

2. You submitted a ticket to Blizzard this very evening trying to get the acc. back: http://imgur.com/a/CQI89 -you were the only person whom I had traded my acc. with, no one else had the photo ID of the original owner besides him (the original owner), you and I. The original owner can confirm it as well. And you confirm it yourself by asking Rasmus, the original owner, for his ID.

3. http://imgur.com/a/nA1ge -You messaged him asking him for a photo of his ID on a newspaper, and you thought he'd help you out simply because you're both danish, and you also told him that I'm a scammer. We have been talking all this time - he's the sweetest guy you'll ever meet and he had also helped me recover my acc. after you tried to scam it, which is beyond amazing on his part.

4. It took you 24 hours to respond to my message after you clearly saw that I had asked you what was going on with the acc. and that I was worried. And again, you answered after the acc. was suspended. This whole story's resume is in my 8th post on this thread.

Yet you don't know what there is to discuss. You brought 0 valuable evidence, all you did was making false claims. I told you, if you wanna be taken seriously, prove the "guy I scammed" existence. Wait, you can't, lol.

doomedtofail · Oct 13, 2016

Closed since your bickering is resolving nothing, we will leave this for the admin to review your proof.

tangowithlions has also sent me this. "http://imgur.com/a/rg8kw -If you look carefully on his windows' bar, there's an app. called "hide.me VPN" which I think he used to send the payment and then charged back to his real IP and made it look like a legit unauthorized PP payment.

http://imgur.com/a/QoMd3 -this is the conversation in which he sends me the screenshot."

doomedtofail · Oct 14, 2016

Opening thread

tangowithlions · Oct 14, 2016

If you look at Fragnot's username, you can check under -Multiple accounts" a username "klidreen" which is Temporarily banned.

Now, if you check "kildreen"'s posts, you can see he was interested in buying an acc. and asked the seller to contact him on the skype address "raiNyy", which is the exact skype address of the "guy I scammed with 230 euros".

Screenshots here: http://imgur.com/a/fMtHz

He mentions the "guy I scammed" in his 13th post, and also posts a screenshot which can be seen here: http://imgur.com/a/xlXAn -basically "the guy I scammed" doesn't exist, it's just him talking to himself, lying and trying to make me look bad.

Epic 1NPC · Oct 14, 2016

[HIDE=2654]Oct 6 - Fragnot buys account from tangowithlions
Oct 8, 8:17pm EST - Blizzard ticket "compromised account"
http://imgur.com/a/7cjbX

Oct 8 - Fragnot opens Paypal dispute (need to know the time)
Oct 8, 10:45 PM EST - tangowithlions receives the account back via FB (tangowithlions)
http://i.imgur.com/DLLRH1h.jpg
Oct 13 - Blizzard ticket opened, Hacked account
http://imgur.com/a/Bv5Mm

There were 2 blizzard hack tickets. Who opened these tickets?

Oct 8 - http://imgur.com/a/7cjbX
Oct 13 - http://imgur.com/a/Bv5Mm

tangowithlions on Facebook on Oct 8th, you said "thank you" when Fragnot gave you the account back, but then you said you needed the ID from the OO to get the account back. Please explain.
[/HIDE]

EpicNPC CM · Oct 14, 2016

Oct 6 - Fragnot buys account from tangowithlions
Oct 8, 8:17pm EST - Blizzard ticket "compromised account"
http://imgur.com/a/7cjbX

Oct 8 - Fragnot opens Paypal dispute (need to know the time)
Oct 8, 10:45 PM EST - tangowithlions receives the account back via FB (tangowithlions)
http://i.imgur.com/DLLRH1h.jpg
Oct 13 - Blizzard ticket opened, Hacked account
http://imgur.com/a/Bv5Mm

There were 2 blizzard hack tickets. Who opened these tickets?

Oct 8 - http://imgur.com/a/7cjbX
Oct 13 - http://imgur.com/a/Bv5Mm

tangowithlions on Facebook on Oct 8th, you said "thank you" when Fragnot gave you the account back, but then you said you needed the ID from the OO to get the account back. Please explain.

tangowithlions · Oct 14, 2016

I did not receive the acc. back, he messaged me after the acc. had been suspended, I already posted the screenshots in my 8th post. -I chose not to make a fuss about it and say "Yes" when he asked me if I want it back because I couldn't care less and I was raised right, I did not want to get into a fight -it is his problem if he chooses to scam people, not mine. That's why I did not react. But the acc. had already been suspended, I could've just ignored his messages, again, I chose not to and answer because I'm a nice person. Please read into the screenshots carefully. He opened the Paypal dispute 10/8 5:00.

I opened the first ticket in order to get my acc. back, and thought it was obvious. And he opened the 2nd one, can't you look at the screenshots I posted in my 18th post? I posted a screenshot of him asking the original owner for a photo ID and calling me a scammer.

I said "thank you" on Oct 9th, can you please read into the screenshots carefully? It is literally all in my 8th post with screenshot - date, screenshot - date, screenshot - date, screenshot - date, how can you not get it right?

Also, you didn't mention the fact that he was using hide.me VPN while making a payment via Paypal. Obviously he knew he was going to take his money back. I explained it in 19th post, screenshots attached there.

Also, can you read my 21th post as well? -he is so dumb he uses his other Skype address to message himself and trying to dismiss me by saying that I "scammed" someone (him, his address, screenshots+ summary posted) for 230 euros, this is insane.

This is already nerve-racking and I start feeling humiliated, and you not being able to read into the posts carefully is really disrespectful, after all the effort I put into this.

LE: By no means I intend to be rude to you, but it feels so frustrating and discouraging being mocked by someone and then see them almost getting away with it, it makes my skin itch.

EpicNPC CM · Oct 17, 2016

Can one of you post an image of the time the paypal dispute was listed?

So on the facebook chat when he gave you the login info, did you ever login and did you ever change the password after logging in?

tangowithlions · Oct 17, 2016

http://imgur.com/a/KA5Gj -Paypal.

http://imgur.com/a/nnz45- Blizzard e-mail. Of course I didn't login, and no, I didn't change the password because I knew it was going to be changed together with the e-mail, and you can see they were.

EpicNPC CM, why don't you take into consideration the fact that he used his own Skype addresses to dismiss me and make up a story according to which "I scammed someone for 230E"?

Secondly, he got his money back, obviously -why did he submit a ticket to Blizzard a few days ago saying that "his account was hacked", trying to get it back? And why did he ask the original owner for an ID on a newspaper if his intentions weren't malicious?

I already posted the screenshots

if you find something confusing or you don't manage to find certain pieces of information, please let me know. I will post the specific evidence again and answer to your questions as clearly as possible. Thank you.

doomedtofail · Oct 17, 2016

Second image does not load.

tangowithlions · Oct 18, 2016

http://imgur.com/a/lF8QN -I uploaded it again. Also, if you wanna make sure this is my acc., I can send the unedited screenshot via PM.

doomedtofail · Oct 18, 2016

Accused is now accusing tango of hacking his epicnpcand emails. Admin please look into further

tangowithlions · Oct 18, 2016

=)) how can he accuse someone of doing something w/o proof? It's like me saying that I accuse him of attacking my mother yday in the park at 21:38 PM. No one saw anything but my mom had bruises all over her body and she says it was him.

I'm sorry, but this is hilarious.

He uses his own Skype addresses (2!) to talk to himself trying to dismiss me (I posted CLEAR proof); how can you take anything he says seriously? Are you out of your mind?

Listen, I'll be around for 1 more day, if you don't manage to show some proficiency and efficiency, I'm out, 'cause this is dumb.

LE: He also accused me that "I scammed someone for 230 euros" in his 7th and 13th post and that the person contacted him on Skype about it. This is the screenshot he posted as evidence: http://imgur.com/a/xlXAn (raiNyy is the name of the person I scammed).

http://imgur.com/a/fMtHz -Here I attached 2 screenshots in which you can see that "the person I scammed for 230 euros" doesn't exist and that he lied and invented the whole thing. -he is so dumb he even used his other Skype address to talk to himself.

Why is he taken seriously? Where's the evidence according to which now "I hacked his epicnpc acc. and e-mails"? lol.

EpicNPC CM · Oct 18, 2016

The paypal shows the dispute was opened before the account was suspended. But we dont have the time for when the first ticket was opened. We need to see the time for when the first ticket was opened.
Once that is provided we can make a ruling on this.

Fragnot's upgrade has been removed for the false claims of hacking (we found no evidence of such activity) as well as the 2nd skype scam accusation.

Tango you have the account as of now correct?

tangowithlions · Oct 19, 2016

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doomedtofail · Oct 19, 2016

Fragnot amhas stated multiple times to me he will just take ban

tangowithlions · Oct 19, 2016

What? -Assuming that you said "Fragnot has stated multiple times to me he will just take ban", he won't "just take ban", like he gives up or something, lol. He brought no evidence whatsoever, he tried to scam me and then after not succeeding he tried to hack my acc. by submitting a ticket to Blizzard and asking the original owner for a photo ID on a newspaper.

So please.

Also, I already posted the screenshot he sent to me while making the PP payment in which it can be clearly seen on the windows' tab that he was using an app. "hide.me vpn" which changes his ip.

so of course he "will just take it", not sure how much he cares anyway, knowing that he can always create another acc. on this forum.

EpicNPC CM · Oct 19, 2016

Fragnot has been banned.

Fragnot
[email protected]

tangowithlions · Oct 19, 2016

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Bubby · Oct 20, 2016

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