Scammed by teh0pwner / is2shiro ($600)

Talint21 · Feb 15, 2017

Information
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Dispute Date: e.g. Feb 15th, 2016
Method of Contact Used: Skype
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: kzhou22 (Kevin Zhou) and jaysushi104
EpicNPC username of the person you're accusing: teh0pwner and is2shiro
Your Instant Messenger ID: Mpowers3451

Other information:

DISPUTE Information
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What is the dispute about? WoW Account
Link of transaction thread: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/107...gendaries-quot-The-Chosen-quot-Original-Owner
Approximate value of property: $600.00 USD

Was a middleman used? N/A
If yes, who? N/A
Provide information about the dispute and what lead to it: There are more details to add, but this is just a condensed version. I bought an account from is2shiro on the 31st who originally bought it from teh0pwner. On the 3rd, there was a ticket on the account asking to recover the Rogue. The ticket disappeared from the account and showed up on Kevin’s DH account somehow. The account is now locked and I’ve paid a friend of TheGuru's $100 to help me unlock it but it was not able to be completed. Nobody has ID that matches the account name because Shiro set it up with his own first name and Kevin’s last name to do the transfer. It has been over a week since this happened and I have been very patient, but neither party seems interested in offering assistance or a refund. Kevin (teh0pwner) has failed to respond to my Skype messages despite being online and on the forums trying to buy / sell accounts. I think it was Kevin due to how abrasive he was when confronted about it, and the fact that he’s been nearly unresponsive, and the recovery ticket for the Rogue is attached to an account he’s trying to sell currently. But I’m including is2shiro’s name here too since I did buy the account from him. Furthermore, the day that the account was locked by a GM, teh0pwner (Kevin) had messaged me earlier in the day asking if I bought the Rogue. Shiro and Kevin have both told me that they will refund me so I have no problems withdrawing my ticket if I have righted in this wrong.

I also have no problems answering questions as they come. I originally typed out more but it turned into a version of War and Peace so I condensed it.

Other details / notes:
Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!
Chat Logs:
Pictures/Screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/aTvFA - Messages between Shiro and I
http://imgur.com/a/rzTbs - Messages between Kevin and I
Other proof:

Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the transaction? Yes, I checked reputation and asked around.
Have you traded with this person before? No
Approximately how many transactions have you done on EpicNPC? I have been on this website since it was MarkeeDragon.

EDIT: Edited to show that I paid a friend of TheGuru and not TheGuru himself. All TheGuru did in this transaction was provided me with a contact who might be able to help.

teh0pwner · Feb 15, 2017

Hi this is the list of events from my view. Will provide screenshots once I get home later tonight

1. I list rogue above 2 weeks back that is from my main Bnet account
2. I sell rogue to shiro, shiro creates Bnet account with my last name and some first name, shiro provides me email to xfer to as he made the bnet account
3. I xfer rogue to this email that Shiro created, think issue is done, out of my hands. At this point I do not know the Rogue's name. All I know was that I'm given an email, and given a realm.

4. I buy a demon hunter account from Conan on here, do a quick scan of the account nothing fishy
5. I find out from Shiro that he resold the account, I have a good idea of who since I talked to Michael when I was first listing the rogue. Nowhere do I ever find out the rogues name, all I ask about is how much he paid for it.
~ Some time here Michael gets locked out~
6. Michael comes to me asking if I recalled the character. At this point I screenshot all my current WoW tickets on my main Bnet account. I attempt to help Michael out by talking to bizz and recalling the char now, to do a retransfer.
6a. Michael offers me money for this service, I reject his offers of money and help him anyway
6b. I contact blizzard, Blizzard denies saying the xfer happend from my IP, so no fraud detected. I ask Michael if I should log into his account and try, make up a fake story about friends falling apart
7. I log into the Bnet account (made by shiro and owned by Michael) and attempt to talk to blizzard. (same browser and computer as I bought the DH from Conan on)
8. Blizzard denies me, asks for ID. At this point there's nothing more I can do. I tell Shiro and Michael to work with Guru etc to see if he can do anything

9. Few days later, I'm attempting to name change the DH account to either sell or merge into my main BNET account
10. I talk to BSM, who then realizes there's a ticket there about "account being hacked, rogue zurkzes being xfered off". Says blizz will think this is fishy
11. I'm surprised at this, and since I knew Conan bought from Wheel bought from Charax (seller on owned). I confront Conan about it since the ticket date actually lines up. I ask him wtf is up with the rogue account and that ticket. Conan denies knowing anything about it
12. I talk to Charax about this, since I knew him to be reputable. I screenshot the ticket, send it to Charax, and ask him if this account was shady in the past.

~some time passes~

13. Charax in talks with Michael then start blaming me for having created the ticket on the DH account at hand.
14. Thinking that this is my fault, I offer Michael a refund (see my feedback history, I have a history of giving refunds if buyer asks for it and problem is on my end) if Rogue is recovered
15. Upon talking to Michael, Michael reveals that he too saw the ticket claiming rogue was hacked, but on the account Shiro made and Michael owned. And that it disappeared after Michael contacted blizzard about why the character was locked. This lines up near when I logged into his account to talk to blizz in
16. Thinking we're waiting on Michael's interactions with Guru, I idle but respond to all questions
17. Michael and Charax threaten to have me banned on Owned and Epic

This is my side of the story. Please decide what party is at fault here.
The facts are as given and screenshots can be provided
A) I transfered the character to something Shiro created, with no access to it
B) Shiro sold to Michael
C) A ticket originating from the account created by Shiro and owned by Michael is made (by whom I do not know, but Michael admits to this)
D) The ticket ends up on an account I bought from Conan who bought from Wheel who bought from Charax, after I logged into Michael's account to attempt to talk to blizz
E) Refund is now being requested

So 1) Either I'm the dumbest mother ****er alive and exposed myself to Charax on an account I was trying to name change for whatever reason
2) This is an issue coming from Shiro / Michael's end

Talint21 · Feb 15, 2017

http://imgur.com/a/VCJh7

These are screenshots from the group conversation started by Charax with Kevin, Shiro, and myself. Hopefully it helps explain a little bit more about what's going on. I told Charax about the account being locked on Monday. Kevin contacted him Thursday about a "suspicious ticket" on the DH account and blamed it on the previous owner, Conan. Charax debunked that Conan could not have had any involvement because the ticket mentioned the Rogue by name and server, and somehow new the account email. Charax made the conection between the ticket and the account lock I told him about on Monday and informed me immediately. He has since been helping me and trying to mediate between the three of us due to my busy work schedule. I will update here when I am off tonight.

EDIT: I am leaving for work now. I noticed some of these are out of order and the entire conversation is not there. I will post the rest when I get home tonight.

teh0pwner · Feb 15, 2017

With regards to me blaming Conan, since Blizzard tickets do not have a specific date and time on time (only i.e 4 days ago). It lined up to when I bought the account from Conan. My bad on that. One's natural reaction to seeing a ticket that one did not created, is to see if the previous owner made it. At that point I did not know who "Zurcez" was, so I naturally thought that there was some dispute on the account. Hence why I contacted Conan and Charax

CHat logs (please read from bottom up)
chat logs with Shiro (who is sold rogue to, note that I xfered to his bnet account, no renames, no knowledge of new rogue's name): http://imgur.com/a/UGIkj
chat logs with Conan (who i bought DH from): http://imgur.com/a/gfu5B

is2shiro · Feb 15, 2017

My input into this is I never had any intentions to recalling the rogue back. I've also mentioned it numerous times that I do not want to soil and ruin my reputation on here. The account was transferred onto an account I made, however the last name had to be the same as Kevin's in order for it to work. Even if I had attempted to do a recall, my personal id wouldnt match up to the name on the account. Therefore, I would not even be able to retrieve the account back.

I have offered to refund Michael, I even contacted Kevin about refunding our transaction so that way in a sense we are both refunding Michael back for this mishap. I have been very kind and friendly as to assisting Michael with retrieving his rogue back. I dont know who or how the account was locked. That is where we are all stumped on. All in all, I've been doing my best to help Michael in this process. Issuing a refund would not be a problem for me.

Talint21 · Feb 15, 2017

I am honestly in agreeance with Shiro as I stated in my original post. I do not think that Shiro had anything to do with this. Shiro has been more than helpful. All I am looking for at this point is a refund or a some form of compensation. I know Shiro is technically responsible since he is the one that sold it to me, but as long as I am compensated for my lose, I will be find with it on my end.

Kevin has stated multiple times that he would refund me when Shiro agreed to it. Shiro has agreed to it, and agreed multiple times. When Kevin found out that Shiro agreed to a refund, he left the conversation. As you can see in the group messages.

teh0pwner · Feb 15, 2017

I agreed to a refund before

1) I found out the ticket originated from your account
2) You try to con me into giving you yet another account
3) You took a **** on my rep on owned and here

So we're going to sit here, and have a look at all the presented evidence (skype, purchase history, feedback) and come to a Moderator solution. Because if I go through with this,
I'm down a Rogue, 27$ for the transfer, and a DH account that's currently listed right now

doomedtofail · Feb 15, 2017

[MENTION=226623]Talint21[/MENTION] so you paid theguru for a fake id? No action will be taken against you but please explain

teh0pwner · Feb 15, 2017

So new info:

If you are NOT logged into bnet, you can still make a ticket for account hacked. In this form, it'll ask you what your BNET email is. Upon creating a ticket this way, it shows up in the account whose email is specified. Just tried it now with my main bnet.

this means whoever made the ticket, knew of my email ([email protected], what I use normally for paypal transactions) and the name of the rogue and that was on proudmoore.

doomedtofail · Feb 15, 2017

yes the0pwner that is correct. you can tie a ticket to an account by specifying email

teh0pwner · Feb 15, 2017

I will maintain that I sold the Rogue to shiro and shiro resold it to michael. They need to take a look at all the people they linked the rogue's real armory to, since as far as I know, when the ticket was "created", only Shiro and Michael knew of the rogues name. If the original owner is held responsible for all issues with resold characters and accounts, we need to pull in the OO of the demon hunter account as well it feels like.

Will link logs with Michael and Charax as I get home

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My convos with michael: http://imgur.com/a/plyFQ

please pay attension to these 2 images especially, where Michael states that he also saw the ticket from his account:

http://i.imgur.com/FZ80vUm.png
http://i.imgur.com/iVaJpDE.png

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Here's my conversations with Charax, where I first bring up the ticket to him: http://imgur.com/a/X3EPf

Talint21 · Feb 15, 2017

doomedtofail said:
[MENTION=226623]Talint21[/MENTION] so you paid theguru for a fake id? No action will be taken against you but please explain

I just got home from work. Here is exactly what has happened up to this point.

I bought the Rogue account from Shiro on January 31st. On the 3rd of February I got a message from Kevin asking if I bought the Rogue from Shiro. I replied that I did. A few hours later, I get a message from a GM telling me that the account has to be locked down due to a dispute on who owns the character. The account got locked. I went to Shiro and asked what just happened. Shiro stated that he had no idea what it was about. He told me that he was going to message Kevin. I also messaged Kevin.

Kevin did not respond to my messages for two days. When he finally got back to me he said he would look into it. Kevin offered to help me get it back. Shiro also offered. Kevin messaged a GM from one of his accounts and the GM told him that he needed to log onto my account and submit the ticket. I allowed Kevin to log onto my account. Kevin spoke with a GM and they stated that they could not do anything without IDs. A friend of mine told me about TheGuru and the contacts he knows. I contacted TheGuru who stated that he had a friend who could help me, but he doesn't usually deal with account unlocks. I paid TheGuru's friend $100 to alter an ID to have Jason's name. Guru middlemanned the transactions between his friend and I. The IDs didn't work with Blizzard. I will admit I shouldn't have attempted to use altered IDs but I was desperate and just wanted this to end. But I guess that is besides the point.

After the IDs failed, I continued to talk with each of them. Kevin told me that he also had the SAME ticket that was on my account, appear on his DH account around the same time. I understand that an email can be tied to a battle.net account without actually being logged into it, but that doesn't explain how it was on both accounts. There is zero way someone would have both emails unless they had the original one. The DH account is obviously in good standing seeing as you're either trying to, or just sold it.

EDIT: On top of all of this. Every time I have gone to Kevin for a question, he has dodged me. You can even see in one of those pictures where he straight up blocked me in the middle of me trying to get this resolved before I even brought it here to be ticketed.

teh0pwner · Feb 15, 2017

Let's get a few facts straight and stop with the hyperbole

Talint21 said:
I just got home from work. Here is exactly what has happened up to this point.

I bought the Rogue account from Shiro on January 31st. On the 3rd of February I got a message from Kevin asking if I bought the Rogue from Shiro. I replied that I did. A few hours later, I get a message from a GM telling me that the account has to be locked down due to a dispute on who owns the character. The account got locked. I went to Shiro and asked what just happened. Shiro stated that he had no idea what it was about. He told me that he was going to message Kevin. I also messaged Kevin.

YOU contacting ME about rogues DPS on the 3rd: http://i.imgur.com/uZlwGOI.png http://i.imgur.com/Zi9oFP1.png
banned image: 2/5/2017 http://i.imgur.com/C7TD3hK.png
3rd to 5th is a few hrs eh

Talint21 said:
Kevin did not respond to my messages for two days.

again you getting banned on the 5th http://i.imgur.com/C7TD3hK.png
me RESPONDING ON THE 5th: http://i.imgur.com/RXtfOVB.png http://i.imgur.com/ZEtW77a.png
me responding within 10 hrs is 2 days huh

Talint21 said:
I paid TheGuru's friend $100 to alter an ID to have Jason's name. Guru middlemanned the transactions between his friend and I. The IDs didn't work with Blizzard. I will admit I shouldn't have attempted to use altered IDs but I was desperate and just wanted this to end. But I guess that is besides the point.

so you tried urself, did something dumb, now that you failed you want me to buy back a banned account

Talint21 said:
EDIT: On top of all of this. Every time I have gone to Kevin for a question, he has dodged me. You can even see in one of those pictures where he straight up blocked me in the middle of me trying to get this resolved before I even brought it here to be ticketed.

yea blocked you because i use skype for work, and you wouldnt shut up. I like how you accuse me of dodging you when i respond within minutes every time per our skype logs.. I also like how in the skype logs you say shiro's dodging you, now here you're saying I was dodging you?

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Now let's say I in fact WAS trying to recover the account.

1) When Shiro sold the account to Michael, how the **** would I have known what Email address Michael changed it to? Only way the ticket even appears on Michael/Shiro's account is if I knew the email. As micheal stated, the ticket on their account was shown BEFORE he gave me credentials. Meaning ONE OF THEM MADE IT THEMSELVES

Michael's screenshot here shows 2hrs ago http://i.imgur.com/5h9yPLJ.png. He states that he received the account on the 31st, and was banned on the 5th, and saw this ticket right after he was banned, meaning this ticket generated 2 hrs before he got banned give or take. At this time, the shell account would have been under Michael's email address.

2) Without knowing the rogues name and email, if I start a dispute all that's going to result in is the account being locked, with no way to recover. What's the point in that?

3) If I wanted to, why didn't i make a ticket on my MAIN BNET, I could easily give OO info on there

4) If i made the ticket and failed, why did i talk to Conan and Charax about it? Wouldn't I try and keep it hidden and not incriminate myself?

and just to be clear, guru is acting as a middle man between Michael and another user, who specializes in unbans. Guru only does name changes and should not be involved in this discussion beyond my rendering his services on DH

Talint21 · Feb 15, 2017

https://snag.gy/WVTN9A.jpg

You are correct. I did message you about your Rogue's name so I could look it up on Warcraft Logs, but that does not mean anything. You are the one that asked if I bought the Rogue. As I said you were. Also, I'm not sure what Skype you are looking at. That is me messaging you repeatedly on Skype on the 5th and not hearing anything back until the 6th. I suppose you are right on the dates. I thought it was the third that the account got locked, but it was the 5th. But that is a mute point. Whether the ticket was put on the 3rd or the 5th, the EXACT same ticket was put on two accounts you knew information about. You even admitted that the same ticket was put on both accounts word for word.

As for the statement about paying TheGuru's friend. I am not asking you to "Buy a Banned Account Back." You are the reason it was locked in the first place. And it is locked, not banned. A GM was spoken to a few days ago and they advised that all that is needed is IDs and the account will get unlocked.

And for blocking me. You claim you blocked me because I "bother you at work." Not once did you say that you were at work or asked me to talk to you later in the night. You just straight up ignored me and blocked me. I have MULTIPLE occasions where you went hours and hours and hours without any mention of anything.

teh0pwner · Feb 15, 2017

Talint21 said:
https://snag.gy/WVTN9A.jpg

You are correct. I did message you about your Rogue's name so I could look it up on Warcraft Logs, but that does not mean anything. You are the one that asked if I bought the Rogue. As I said you were. Also, I'm not sure what Skype you are looking at. That is me messaging you repeatedly on Skype on the 5th and not hearing anything back until the 6th. I suppose you are right on the dates. I thought it was the third that the account got locked, but it was the 5th. But that is a mute point. Whether the ticket was put on the 3rd or the 5th, the EXACT same ticket was put on two accounts you knew information about. You even admitted that the same ticket was put on both accounts word for word.

http://i.imgur.com/Zi9oFP1.png the accompanying image. You added me out of the blue and ask me what the rogue's name was. Naturally, my then assumption is that shiro had it, and I was curious why you were asking. How are these "mute" (moot) points when you're making **** up top make me look shady?

Again in your time, you messaged me at 4:43pm, and I respond at 2:44 am, that's about 10 hours. I apologize for not being there 24/7 on a weekend. But that is not "2 days" as you lied before

How do you explain the ticket on Shiro's/YOUR account then? This more and more as I see proof is an issue between you two. I just got dragged along for the ride when I tried to help you two out

Talint21 · Feb 16, 2017

Okay. You are 100% correct that I had my dates wrong. For some reason I thought the account got locked on the 3rd, but it was the 5th. You are 100% correct on that front, and I do thoroughly apologize for getting my dates mixed up. But that does not account for the fact that we had the EXACT same tickets on both of our accounts. And clearly I would not try to take my own account back.

Now how would we both have the exact same tickets on our accounts without you accidentally posting it from the DH account or some other mishap along those lines. I also want to point out that the transfer cooldown was active so I was unable to transfer it off of Shiro's account onto an account of my own. So anyone claiming that there is zero way for Kevin to have known what account it was on is false. Maybe now you're starting to see where my skepticism is coming from Kevin. Obviously other reasons are pointing toward you too, but...

I suggest that we just let the moderators handle this from here on out. We are just arguing back and fourth like little school girls at this point. If it is determined that I am in fact wrong and all evidence is pointing to Shiro, I have zero problems swallowing my pride and apologizing wholeheartedly to you. I hope that you realize that I am not personally attacking you. I am presenting the evidence I have at hand.

EDIT: Changed some wording for more political correctness

Epic 1NPC · Feb 16, 2017

Jan 30 - is2shiro buys rogue from teh0pwner (OO)
is2shiro transfers and name changes Rogue. Fake name used, no ID for it.

Jan 31 - is2shiro sells account to Talint21

Feb 3 - support ticket opened to recover Rogue
ticket disappear and now appears on another ones of teh0pwner's bnet accounts

It appears the character has been transferred again, so someone must have unlocked it
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Proudmoore/Zurkcez/advanced

Does anyone have access to the account now?

Talint21 · Feb 16, 2017

http://imgur.com/a/aTrS8

The reason that the armory isn't working is because when I bought the character from is2shiro I named changed it to my name. The character is now named Talint as you can see from the link provided. I still have access to the account. It is just locked.

teh0pwner · Feb 17, 2017

Talint21 said:
Now how would we both have the exact same tickets on our accounts without you accidentally posting it from the DH account or some other mishap along those lines. I also want to point out that the transfer cooldown was active so I was unable to transfer it off of Shiro's account onto an account of my own. So anyone claiming that there is zero way for Kevin to have known what account it was on is false. Maybe now you're starting to see where my skepticism is coming from Kevin. Obviously other reasons are pointing toward you too, but...

EDIT: Changed some wording for more political correctness

My claim is that I would not have
1) known the email that you changed it to after shiro gave sold it to you
2) known the character's name after I sent the rogue off to Shiro
3) known the iLvl much less spec that you were playing

so when you say you saw the ticket on the bnet account that shiro sold to you shortly after you got banned, and before you gave the acocunt info to me, that makes me skeptical, you had a time delta of 5 days where the account was operating under your email address.

That makes me believe either A) someone did the un-authethenticated "account hacked" email as discussed earlier in this thread, or the B) ticket actually came from your side.

If you are not a masochist indeed, that would rule out option B), unless you did not fully secure your account, which leads us to option A) Who knew of both your email and mine?

Talint21 · Feb 17, 2017

teh0pwner said:
My claim is that I would not have
1) known the email that you changed it to after shiro gave sold it to you
2) known the character's name after I sent the rogue off to Shiro
3) known the iLvl much less spec that you were playing

so when you say you saw the ticket on the bnet account that shiro sold to you shortly after you got banned, and before you gave the acocunt info to me, that makes me skeptical, you had a time delta of 5 days where the account was operating under your email address.

That makes me believe either A) someone did the un-authethenticated "account hacked" email as discussed earlier in this thread, or the B) ticket actually came from your side.

If you are not a masochist indeed, that would rule out option B), unless you did not fully secure your account, which leads us to option A) Who knew of both your email and mine?

Kevin, you knew the original account email because Shiro gave it to you when you did the transfer from your main account. This shouldn't have to be explained, but it’s called an account recovery ticket for a reason; you don’t have to specify the email that’s attached to the account currently because how could someone with a compromised account possibly know what the current email is? All you had to specify was the original account email, and the ticket would be put there. It still doesn't explain how the ticket ended up on your other account, aside from the fact that you can specify two emails when submitting the ticket: Battle.net email and contact email. So basically what I'm seeing is that you messed up out of habit or whatever the case may be and put the DHs email as the contact email, prompting Blizzard to attach the ticket to the Rogue email, and attach it to your DH account. I wish you would stop being obtuse and accusing me of trying to recall my own character and jump through all these hoops just to get it back because it’s just absolutely asinine, insensitive and ridiculous.

As far as "knowing the character name." I'm still not 100% sure on this one. BUT, I'm sure there is some kind of way you can track a character online, either through sites like WoW Progress or something else. A few months ago I was able to find some information about a character I was playing back in Burning Crusade. So I have to imagine with 4-5 days of time, it can be done (or however long Shiro had the account from you.) About the iLevel... you only have the have a rough guess. Chances are that having a character that is that high of an iLevel for 4-5 days; you're probably not going to get any upgrades that boost your iLevel that much. So saying 899, or 900, or whatever it turns out to be; Blizzard can figure it out.

Hell, if you look at the screen shot I took of the armory - the Rogue is 904 Bagged, 898 Equipped and Blizzard still figured it out when you put 899.... See my point?

teh0pwner · Feb 17, 2017

Imagine yourself in my shoes for a minute, you sell a rogue and you think it's over. (give me benefit of the doubt that I did NOT try and reclaim with the ticket)
All of a sudden a ticket shows up on an unrelated account that you're trying to resell. Ticket says something about another Rogue that you have never heard of. Ticket also has provided id to blizz to unlock the account
What did I do? Would a guilty person screen shot the ticket and show Conan / Charax, two previous owners? In an attempt to try and see what's going on? A guilty person upon failing to recall would avoid this whole shitstorm and keep that DH account ticket hidden.

What kind of precedent does it set. Say I don't like an account that I bought, should I just account hacked ticket and force a tradeback in the future? Even for resellers? I can grab anyones ppal account and set that as the backup, and I can use the Xfer email as main. I guess my mistake was showing that ticket to other people since I'm apparently the scammer

coffeecoco · Feb 17, 2017

Hi I just bought https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/108...aries-rare-mounts-53-ap?p=5366800#post5366800
From this seller

firstly what came from this is, he absolutly demanded that this was paid friends and family on paypal, " from my personal view i was understood this to be a red flag ", so after reading some suggestions of this approach, and options, even tho my PA feedback was 10X his feedback it still demanded family and friends.

Anyway After I agree'd to purchance as friends and family

I got demands that if i want to keep the account I need to give feedback and remove the comments HERE
Which more importantly meant Account recall/Lock
Not just a polite ask a verbal bashing.

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followup

teh0pwner · Feb 17, 2017

http://imgur.com/a/5w4Fy

hate dealing with assholes. Anyways it's been real. Michael bud, it really really wasnt me.

Peace out Epic!

Akane · Feb 17, 2017

teh0pwner, we will not tolerate any blackmail. Especially threatening to recall accounts from people you sell to.

Banned

Talint21 · Feb 17, 2017

https://snag.gy/jiSw1h.jpg

For what it is worth - Kevin and Shiro just refunded me the money. Kevin refunded $275, Shiro refunded $300. Kevin refunded AFTER he was banned. Not sure exactly what that means - but I suppose we can put this all behind us. Thank you Coffee for adding your input. Thank you moderators for deciding the dispute.

coffeecoco · Feb 18, 2017

Probably a refund with the money i paid to him hours ago, that hes obviously going to recall, which is going to force me to force a refund via my bank

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