Scammed by ExtremeGacha

[stealace91]

Dispute Against

XtremeGacha

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

Information
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Purchase Date: April 4
Date the problem begain: 6
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): EpicNpc Chat
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: ExtremeGacha
Your Instant Messenger ID: Stealace91

Other information:


DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/glo...ounts-cfyow-round-1-xtreme-gacha-com.1350194/
Approximate value of property: $150 USD
Was Trade Guardian used? No
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID? No

What is the dispute about? Seller, sold the account there was several login in on 11 of April and today the account was deleted, ExtremeGacha also tried to ruin my buisness with an account I sold, by contacting the buyer and asking if I had done anything to his account, not even answering my question if he had logged in to the account and or kept the account in a emulator, because even after you give klab id to someone else you must delete the game and a file on the android, otherwise you can still loggin. Besides dodging the question he started to claim that he was being scammed and never offered any real explanations about the log in.

Other details / notes:
he decided scamm away by saying that I had sold the account, comes with fake proof of a similiar account with same name and tells me that it was his account -.-


Proof
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Please check Images of the email, he logged in to the klab id even after he "sold" the account, meaning that he indeed deleted the account and had no intention to sell the account.



Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):
Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible):
Other proof: If needed can send the payment proof.


Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.

Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof)
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc)
How long did you have the account before it was recalled?
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
(you can use the HIDE tag so the images are not publicly available to everyone)

 

[XtremeGacha]

All I can say is wow stealace91...

1. stealace91 bought a BBS account from me on April 5, 2019
2. Transaction went smoothly and there weren't any issues
3. stealace91 messaged me again on April 10, 2019 saying that someone logged in on the account I sold him
4. I told him that it wasn't me and it could possibly be that he used a boosting service or his email could have been compromised
5. I did some investigation and I looked at his epicnpc posting and found out that he re-sold the account I sold him on this thread https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/gre...-5-unique-golden-acessories-op-chars.1444092/
- Note: The imgur link here has been deleted but I took screenshots before he took it down. The BBS ID I sold him and the one he sold to dardanS1mple is the same
6. By the looks of it, the BBS account was re-sold to dardanS1mple on April 7, 2019.
7. Why would stealace91 complain to me that someone was logging in to the account I sold him if he already re-sold it to someone else? Sounds really fishy
8. First thing that comes to my mind is that he is trying to take back his account from dardanS1mple and somehow either blame me for it or try to get his money back
9. I already talked to dardanS1mple telling him to warn me if stealace91 tries to take back his account so I can report him here.
10. His gmail image of me logging on his klab id on April 11, 2019 looks edited (l33t html skills lol). It is not possible for me to log in on a klab id if I do not know his password provided he did change it after I sold him the account
11. Not sure if it's the time zone issue. His gmail image said that I logged in on April 11, 2019 but he already complained to me on April 10, 2019.. Hmm.... Fake asf

His epicnpc post with the imgur before he took it down. https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/gre...-5-unique-golden-acessories-op-chars.1444092/

Note the BBS game ID: 39902385

Here's the account I sold him. It's the exact account:

https://imgur.com/a/5QOBIXh

 

[XtremeGacha]

My conversation with dardanS1mple. I verified from him that stealace91was indeed trying to take the account back.

 

[XtremeGacha]

My full conversation with stealace91. He closed the message thread for new replies though.

 

[XtremeGacha]

 

[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

1. stealace91 bought a BBS account from me on April 4, 2019
2. Transaction went smoothly and there weren't any issues. Didn´t went smoothly even you say that there where mystery login on other accounts you sold, or you have ownership of the account or you don´t you can´t sell something you aren´t sure you have ownership, thats a red flag from the start
3. stealace91 messaged me again on April 10, 2019 saying that someone logged in on the account I sold him
4. I told him that it wasn't me and it could possibly be that he used a boosting service or his email could have been compromised, yet you admit on conversation that there have been loggin on the other accounts
5. I did some investigation and I looked at his epicnpc posting and found out that he re-sold the account I sold him on this thread https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/gre...-5-unique-golden-acessories-op-chars.1444092/
- Note: The imgur link here has been deleted but I took screenshots before he took it down. The BBS ID I sold him and the one he sold to dardanS1mple is the same it´s
6. By the looks of it, the BBS account was re-sold to dardanS1mple on April 7, 2019. Nice try but you tried to cover your steps with "same account"
7. Why would stealace91 complain to me that someone was logging in to the account I sold him if he already re-sold it to someone else? Sounds really fishy. Really fishy is you not giving an explanation and going to a thread I talked to and trying to get him to chargeback
8. First thing that comes to my mind is that he is trying to take back his account from dardanS1mple and somehow either blame me for it or try to get his money back. dardanS1mple has his account but you tried to yet again to get him to chargeback and claim distruss on his part
9. I already talked to dardanS1mple telling him to warn me if stealace91 tries to take back his account so I can report him here. I also have sold account for far less and so far haven't gotten any complain but misteriously the account you contacted is special
10. His gmail image of me logging on his klab id on April 11, 2019 looks edited (l33t html skills lol). It is not possible for me to log in on a klab id if I do not know his password provided he did change it after I sold him the account. Like your fake account pictures?
11. Not sure if it's the time zone issue. His gmail image said that I logged in on April 11, 2019 but he already complained to me on April 10, 2019.. Hmm.... Fake asf Nice try

 

[XtremeGacha]

Didn´t went smoothly even you say that there where mystery login on other accounts you sold, or you have ownership of the account or you don´t you can´t sell something you aren´t sure you have ownership, thats a red flag from the start
- When did I say that there were mystery log in on other accounts? I don't recall telling you that even from our conversation. Of course I have full ownership of the account since I created them. Once I sell the accounts then it's all yours. Why would I try to take your account if I have so many lol.

yet you admit on conversation that there have been loggin on the other accounts
- Again, when did I admit this??? There were some buyers who also said the same thing and they are already banned here
#1 scammer: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/pp-chargeback-refund-scam-by-ripslater.1430308/
#2 scammer: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/paypal-transaction-held-by-saams06.1418926/
#3 scammer: this will be you

Nice try but you tried to cover your steps with "same account"
- I did not "cover" anything since everything is as it is. So this question goes back to you. Why did you take down the imgur album? lol

Really fishy is you not giving an explanation and going to a thread I talked to and trying to get him to chargeback
- No I didn't talk dardanS1mple in to anything. I just told him to let me know if he is trying to scam you so I can report you

dardanS1mple has his account but you tried to yet again to get him to chargeback and claim distruss on his part
- From our conversation, he didn't already trust you from the start lol

I also have sold account for far less and so far haven't gotten any complain but misteriously the account you contacted is special
- What's mysterious about it? You sold the account to some one else then you complain someone is logging on on the account? lol

Like your fake account pictures?
- How is it fake? you can't fake an imgur album. You can just delete it like you did to cover up lol

 

[XtremeGacha]

So... stealace91 just raised a paypal dispute on our transaction. Odd thing is.. he said to paypal that it was for a magic the gathering booster box? lol

 

[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

let epic npc decide and whatever proof they need I will provide

Yet some buyers claim there where misterious login´s, so can you provide proof? Klab id, even after changed email and password still stays and also you have xml.file and im pretty sure that you can verify that way if that account I sold is the same or not
but since you logged in today and deleted you everything.

Also you claim its impossible to fake the album when you cleary have "same name" and "id" for first pictures.... hum really lucky i guess....

You contacted him in order to make him chargeback and you planted doubt in account, costing me already my reputation.

Yet you never answered the questions if its possible that you could still have acess to the account and dodged every time

 

[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

let me guess you want to scamm and keep the money??? I will drop the chargeback if epic npc so decides but you don´t get a say on that

 

[XtremeGacha]

Yet some buyers claim there where misterious login´s, so can you provide proof? Klab id, even after changed email and password still stays and also you have xml.file and im pretty sure that you can verify that way if that account I sold is the same or not
but since you logged in today and deleted you everything.
- So which is it really, the klab id or the xml file you're talking about? By the way, I use an iOS device and the xml file you're talking about is most probably on android devices which I don't use. I didn't log in today and delete everything. That is most likely dardanS1mple nuking the account since you most probably scammed him

Yet you never answered the questions if its possible that you could still have acess to the account and dodged every time
- How can I have access to your account if I don't know your new klab password??? You claimed that I logged in on the account as seen on your fake April 11 image but that email notification is only triggered if I know your new password. Stop making lies it's getting tiring.

let me guess you want to scamm and keep the money??? I will drop the chargeback if epic npc so decides but you don´t get a say on that
- Of course I want to keep the money. I sold the account to you fair and square. What ever you do to it is your problem but don't blame me for something I didn't do.

Yes you're right. Let's wait what epicnpc decides

 

[Adoxia]

Reading through all this, give me a minute to summarize it all.

 

[XtremeGacha]

Thank you. I haven't responded to the paypal dispute yet since the result of this thread may help the paypal case in my favor.

 

[Adoxia]

Who is in control of the account currently?

@stealace91 Please upload a video of the emails showing when someone signed into the account beings Xtreme is questioning if they are legit or not. You can upload the video to youtube and set it to private and PM the url to me.

 

[XtremeGacha]

Not me. I haven't logged in on the account after I sold it to stealace91 on April 5, 2019

 

[Adoxia]

I can also confirm that the accounts are the same accounts. @stealace91 How were you still receiving email notifications on April the 11th if you sold the account to dardan on the 6th?

 

[XtremeGacha]

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[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

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[Adoxia]

@stealace91 you can use this https://www.freescreenrecording.com/ to record it. Then upload it to youtube and list it as private, then send me the URL.

 

[Dardan]

Stealace bro? What the **** are you doing?
You sold me that Account? Dont try scamming the account, or i will report to Paypal and open Dispute for the money i Paid.

 

[XtremeGacha]

@dardanS1mple is the account you bought all ok at the moment? did someone, other than yourself, ever try to log in on the account?

If your account is all good and there's no problem then I think who @stealace91 wants to scam is me by making false accusations like logging in and deleting everything as he stated so he can raise a paypal dispute (which he already did) and get away with it.

 

[Dardan]

I already wrote to the admin, i will send the Evidence to him, because i'm involded to this situation too.

 

[XtremeGacha]

The BBS account with ID 39902385 doesn't look "deleted" to me as @stealace91 stated. I checked in-game and searched the ID and it's still there and no problems by the looks of it. Even has the two latest 5* characters.

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[Dardan]

Yes bro, the account is fine at the moment. (Already gave it too a friend). The problem is, why would stealace do something like that? Like i have all of evidence i bought that account from him.
And there nothing fishy with the account at the moment, because my friend would have told me, if something were wrong. But hopefully he wont destroy the Account, or i have to open a Paypal dispute and use all of this as a Evidence to Paypal.

 

[Dardan]

@stealace91 Why you keep the Account i bought from you still open? And that IP from 11th April is from my friend. Wtf are you doing?

 

[Adoxia]

I have already have proof that the account is the same account. However I will still have to wait for video proof that the pictures showing the email were not tampered with.

 

[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

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[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

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[Adoxia]

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I will need a working video. I need proof that the emails are legit and not tampered with.

 

[XtremeGacha]

To any admins/mods, may I request from you to ask stealace91 to cancel his paypal dispute on the transaction for now? I am willing to refund the entire payment if by some miracle you go along with his story. I just don't want to leave the decision at the hands of paypal because we all know that it's always 50/50 on winning cases there.

I only have until May 2 to respond to paypal and I am waiting for this case to be resolved here in epic before responding to help my case. If I may also request to have the replies of stealace91 unhidden (provided that there's no sensitive data) so that they can be seen by paypal. I feel like this case is just being dragged too long as it should be since there is already overwhelming evidence against stealace91

 

[Adoxia]

@stealace91 cancel the paypal dispute until this is resolved. I have not made any conclusion as to who is at fault yet due to conflicting evidence.

 

[XtremeGacha]

Thanks. Sorry for trying to rush this case. As long as the paypal dispute is cancelled for now then I don't mind waiting weeks before this gets resolved here. Thank you again

 

[XtremeGacha]

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[Adoxia]

Summary
Apr 5th - XtremeGacha sells account to Stealace91
Apr 7th - Stealace sells account to Dardans1mple Proof - Image that dardan sent me of the account he bought https://www.epicnpc.com/attachments/received_871193563240270-jpeg.98277/ Image of XtremeGacha re-adding the account https://www.epicnpc.com/attachments/98276/
Apr 10th - Stealace contacts XtremeGacha and says that he has tried to login to the account
The image and video show two different things for April the 11th. In the image April the 11th is not spaced, while in the video I received it is. This is no longer viable evidence beings one or the other was indeed tampered with likely both. Image showing "Apr11" https://www.epicnpc.com/attachments/1231432432-jpg.97131/ Video showing "Apr 11"

@stealace91 Cancel your paypal dispute you can't keep the funds from both transactions. If you continue your paypal dispute you will be banned.

 

[XtremeGacha]

Forgot to add the space... LMAO. @stealace91 please make a more convincing evidence next time. You didn't even show the video as you opened the email.

@mods, if he doesn't get banned after doing this, is he going to have at least a negative feedback for a scam attempt?

 

[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

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[Adoxia]

Even if the screenshot was taken from a tablet it would not alter the text of the email. If you feel my decision is unfair you can ask the admin to look over it as well. However I believe the video and/or screenshot has been tampered with.

 

[XtremeGacha]

stealace still hasn't cancelled the paypal dispute

 

[Adoxia]

@stealace91 Ban in 24 hours if you continue your paypal dispute.

 

[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

I don't have to be here all the time... And I already asked for you @Adoxia to make a decision, if I cancel my PayPal dispute I will not be able to open again and doubt me and the seller will ever reach an agreement

 

[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

And it's really convenient for Extremegacha to be saying to close and that it can take all the time in the world to resolve the case...

 

[XtremeGacha]

There's already a decision. You're 100% a scammer and you need to return my money.

 

[XtremeGacha]

And why do we need to reach an agreement? For what? I sold you the account and you sold it to someone else. Plain and simple.

 

[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

The only scammed here is you, you deleted the account!!! And you are selling account that if you want you can access them at anytime you wish and you claimed already that there have been accidents when seller claim there are mysterious login on the account, yet you continue to sell the accounts anyway

 

[XtremeGacha]

Are you still playing dumb? I deleted the account? The account is fine according to dardanS1mple whom you sold it to. You say that there are mysterious log ins? You mean the log in that you tampered with? Please, nobody here is falling for your lies. The way I see it is that you are just prolonging the dispute. Admins, please ban this scammer if he doesn't cancel the paypal dispute today.

 

[XtremeGacha]

It's really sad that for some people like @stealace91, an amount like $150 is more worth it than their own integrity and they'd go as far as lying over it and they even make themselves believe that their lies are actually the truth. I don't care if you don't cancel the dispute. I just want people like you to be banned here. Nobody deserves to go through something like this. It's not a joke to spend hours just to prove that you didn't do anything wrong just because someone wants to scam you.

 

[Adoxia]

@stealace91 I have already decided that you will have to cancel the dispute. The account is not deleted as shown in the above summary. The video and screenshots of the emails are different. Regardless of what device you screenshot with it will not alter the text in the email. Update me when this is resolved.

 

[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

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[Adoxia]

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There is a clear decision, either you drop your paypal dispute or you will be banned for scamming. I have enough proof that you sold the account to dardan, and then tried to claim that extreme was signing into the account so you could get money out of him. The screenshot or video that you sent me was tampered with. The images you want video of I am not using as evidence that you were scamming.

 

[stealace91]

Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-extremegacha.1450487/

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