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Scammed by 'dab' | https://www.epicnpc.com/members/dab.520242/

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Sayonaruh

Sayonaruh

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Hey so i sold this guy this account: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/per...ar-4-4k-peak-level-473-178-lootboxes.1541359/

he left me positive feedback and i even gave him about $20 off because i was simply feeling nice, he even noted my kindness in the feedback he left and yet opens a scam dispute regardless on paypal which i have to now waste my time with. (It was just before december 17th, so around DEC 16 midnight that he paid me. he received the accounts email and everything else in full on the 17th.)

photo of the chargeback:
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you can see what kind of person he is, just from the email name and the fake name he has associated with his paypal.

I'm not really sure why this guy is still allowed on EpicNPC, he already has 1 negative feedback and has multiple accounts on the website already.

Anyway, here is a photo of me changing the email to a new one for him (a email that i made for him.) :
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This guy should not be allowed on EpicNPC, please ban him.


Information
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Purchase Date: 16th december 2019
Date the problem begain: 29th december 2019
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): discord
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: [not the display name, must be real username]
Your Instant Messenger ID: ||#8376

Other information:


DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/per...ar-4-4k-peak-level-473-178-lootboxes.1541359/
Approximate value of property: $90 USD
Was Trade Guardian used? No
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID?

What is the dispute about? Guy bought an account of me and then opened a chargeback sometime later. (from 16/17th december to what is now the 29th.)

Other details / notes:


Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!

Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):
Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible):
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Other proof: I provided more proof in the comments, please read them. Along with updates to what is happening.

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Further proof as this guy has been scamming for 2+ years, time to get him banned. (check his feedback), he always says it is a false negative. It is not, dude is under 18 and must be a child to go through this much effort for $90.


Here is my PayPal transaction history, there is only one payment in the time period that i dealt with dab:
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As you can see, there was only one payment in my payment history which was dab's on December 16th, the only reason it's not in my history in that photo is because PayPal pushes disputed payments to the top of your history page. Here is another photo of the dispute + what he claimed in his personal message in the dispute. I'm obviously not selling physical goods.

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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
Where are the chat logs
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
I chose to ignore it because he attempted to pull the account back and didn't want to waste my time.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
And plus he got another neg rep from another dude for "scam"
ban him instead
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
i bought battletag change
https://prnt.sc/qhopjw
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
 
I don't think that when the account is recovered you receive a mail regarding email change. It's done by support and the current user doesn't receive any emails. Similar to how steam support recovers accounts, the user never receives any emails about changes.

Both steam and battlenet send out emails when they are changed manually (i.e you sold the account to someone and they changed it)

Any experienced bnet seller can confirm my words I guess, unless something has changed in the way they work.

You can even see in the email that it says 'if it wasn't you that did the changes PLEASE CONTACT THE SUPPORT' - if account was recovered using a support ticket this email wouldn't have these words in the email.
 
That notice is when someone logs in and changes the email address manually through account management. Just checked an email on an account i just sold.
 
I have not tried to recover the original account. he is completely lying. I gave him the email to it in the first place, it is not possible for me to recover it. this kid is wasting time/delaying his ban so that he can continue to scam more people.

I literally gave him the email with the account, how can i recover it?

he bought a battle-tag change afterwards, the account is his. Everything is his.
 
ARMIK said:
I don't think that when the account is recovered you receive a mail regarding email change. It's done by support and the current user doesn't receive any emails. Similar to how steam support recovers accounts, the user never receives any emails about changes.

Both steam and battlenet send out emails when they are changed manually (i.e you sold the account to someone and they changed it)

Any experienced bnet seller can confirm my words I guess, unless something has changed in the way they work.

You can even see in the email that it says 'if it wasn't you that did the changes PLEASE CONTACT THE SUPPORT' - if account was recovered using a support ticket this email wouldn't have these words in the email.
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Yes it is fake.

The dude is a con-artist.
 
Adoxia said:
Who is the OO of the account? @Sayonaruh
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Hey, i bought this smurf about 1 year - 2 years ago. Since then it has been my main for 2+ years and i got it to 4.3/4.4k SR on the game.
The accounts name etc is all fake, its not even possible for me to recover it. I would need proof of identity, which i don't have. I gave him the email that was associated with the account when i was using it too, the dude is a ****ing liar and a slimey scammer.
 
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Adoxia said:
Either of you can feel free to post them. However, this shows you opening a dispute on the payment that you sent. You were also online when this dispute was opened and ignored it.
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His discord ends with numbers #1337 the dude is one edgy kid, he changed his discord from abstract#1337 to something else, but the numbers at the end will remain the same unless he changes those through a nitro subscription.

He can re-add me and unblock me and i will screen-share all the logs or upload a video for admins. He won't do that though, because that will undoubtedly prove that i am in the right.

His above screenshots were faked, as other members have taken note of. So i don't even think this is necessary.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
the "email" he gave me was a fresh email.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
and no i can refresh those "fake" screenshots you called
 
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dab said:
and no i can refresh those "fake" screenshots you called
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add me back on the #1337 account you had on discord :). Let the admins see all the chatlogs if you're innocent.

stop lying mate, even the super moderator and other experienced traders have chimed in. You lied and got caught.

You've been doing this for years, i understand you are poor and under 18. but grow up a little.

I like how the description of me 'scamming' you, is the exact same thing you did to this kid back in 2017 on your feedback:

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at least learn to hide your shitty personality a little. Stupid edgy profile picture, multiple accounts, #1337 discord icon, your paypal email, the fact that you sent the payment as goods and services when i said send as a gift, which i looked over because quite frankly, $90 is nothing to me.

but if admins don't ban you, you're just going to continue to pull off petty scams.

Also it doesn't matter if you refresh it, you are a complete moron. Read what the traders and the super mod said, they are well aware of what you are doing.
 
WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
ARMIK said:
I don't think that when the account is recovered you receive a mail regarding email change. It's done by support and the current user doesn't receive any emails. Similar to how steam support recovers accounts, the user never receives any emails about changes.

Both steam and battlenet send out emails when they are changed manually (i.e you sold the account to someone and they changed it)

Any experienced bnet seller can confirm my words I guess, unless something has changed in the way they work.

You can even see in the email that it says 'if it wasn't you that did the changes PLEASE CONTACT THE SUPPORT' - if account was recovered using a support ticket this email wouldn't have these words in the email.
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I want to add something else to this armik, if i stole the account back (which he weirdly describes so accurately, perhaps its because the very other negative feedback he has is him doing the exact same account recall scam that he is describing?)

Why the **** would he not contact me on discord instead of blocking me, and deleting me? I would have the chat logs if that were the case. The amount of lies this guy spouts is insane, all over $90.

He got caught lying about an email, please ban this fool already. No one charge backs after 2 weeks and then not try to contact the seller at all, dude is trying to claim i sold him a physical item on paypal.
 
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Please add each other back and provide discord logs.
 
WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
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He won the dispute on PayPal.

@Adoxia I don't understand why you need more evidence. Let's see here.

1) The photos that he claimed were recovery emails werent actually recovery emails, they were just emails you get after logging in and changing the information. This was confirmed by 2 other traders with good reputations. This means that he has tried to claim that the account was recovered, but there was NO email proving so. He only showed the email that you get when YOU change an accounts email.
2) He dodged the dispute.
3) If he got scammed, why was he not the one to open the dispute first? He opened the PayPal dispute, not any dispute on here.
4) The only Payment i received on Dec 16th was one by him, you know this because it's the only payment i even got in that time period. I'm willing to screenshare.
5) He has a history of scamming
6) The lie that he has made up about me scamming him is exactly the same scam he did to somebody in 2017.
7) He is a multi-accounter.
8) An obvious edge-lord that can't be above 18, #1337 discord ending numbers, edgy profile picture, and racist personality.

What more do you need? He has blocked me and deleted me, he is not going to add me back. It's just going to get him banned. I don't care about the $90, i already spent it and i haven't been charged anything. But if you don't ban this guy, i'm telling you more people WILL get scammed. He has been doing this for years.

EDIT: i will also add, that i quite frankly do not give a single **** about overwatch. the whole point of me selling on here was to get rid of that shitty game all my smurf accounts. The one other negative rep i have not by 'dab' has been resolved in a trade dispute, it was literally a false negative on the wrong person. Just waiting for an admin to respond.
 
@dab Resend the 90$ or Return the account. As stated the image you posted was an image showing updating information from a signed in account.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
Him logging in and changing email provides that email. I don't understand what's missed? He didn't provide oge. He gave an email that he said was "oge" and upon opening it, the email was freshly created, and he also got another -rep from another user for trying to scam. He's obviously attemping to steal both the money and account.
 
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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
"The guy has a second account called just Elta you know it's his account as it mentions he same discord name I sent him $17 on PayPal for an OW boost from 3300-3500 at firstly he said 4-6 hours this was fine then it got delayed due to hour-long queue times I could understand this 24 hours later 60 sr progress quite a few losses but never the less I gained 60+ sr then another 24 hours I go on it shows my peak as 4463 so he got close but then my current sr was below 4400 so obviously he had lost I messaged him on discord to find out what's going on and he had changed his name to KingELTA#4973 and blocked me so I could not send anymore more messages so he ended up taking all $17 and only did half of the boosting and has now blocked me he appears offline and has deleted all his messages "

https://prnt.sc/qird32

this is the neg rep he got.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammed-by-dab-https-www-epicnpc-com-members-dab-520242.1546621/page-2
He's obviously attempting to get the money + acc and dip before he gets banned from scamming another user.
 
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