Refusing To Pay After Boost

[PolkaBoost]

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Information
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Purchase Date: 06/03/2021
Date the problem begain: 23/03/2021
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): Discord
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: EpicBoost#0116
Your Instant Messenger ID: EloLegends#2112

DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/⭐-h...apex-legend-and-more-⭐-1950-feedback.1427021/
Approximate value of property: $74.5

What is the dispute about?
He wanted me to boost some of his accounts and told me he will pay me after the boost. I was late to complete the boost and I was given another 2 orders which too got late. I was then given a 4th order which was to be completed within 24 hours and while doing this boost he requested me to sign out once I finished the game and before finishing the game he has told the client to login mid game which caused me to lose the game. I later on told him that I am done boosting for him and asked him to pay for the boost and then he said that hes gonna fine me for being late. Now even after all this he refuses to pay me for the boost even with the 5% fine. He said hes a moderator so I trusted him. Please look into your mods. I have provided screenshots of our discrd chat. He also has deleted the some messages where he was being really rude and talking to me in flith.

Other details / notes:


Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!

Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):

https://imgur.com/a/Zi9VRgV

Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible):
Other proof:

 

[EpicBoost]

it says on the screenshot , I will send it later
so what is the point of this thread?
You completed all your orders late as well and tried to drop a revenge feed back

Here is a thread to explain it with video context

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/negative-feedback-removal.1901648/
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uNpjka9EmX5WevyWYvq1pSvxlYgR3tvM/view?usp=sharing

updated paid:
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/address/329x9ReRqGnAUu1iw2zLV4RuJP1bGdEZBo/

 

[Angel]

@EpicNPC

 

[PolkaBoost]

So then when I asked when you'd send it you ghosted me until I made this post exposing you.

 

[PolkaBoost]

What do you mean by revenge negative feedback? I posted my experience with you and I have screenshots of the chat as proof for all my claims in my feedback.

 

[PolkaBoost]

I wonder why you deleted the messages where you talked in filth to me. It should be here right? I dont think as an epicnpc moderator you should talk to anyone in filth like that. Especially other people who are using the platform.

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[EpicBoost]

@EloLegends44 , if you read above

"I wonder why you deleted the messages where you talked in filth to me "
I called you a dumbass once then deleted it but you're trying to make it seem like it was alot worse
if you cant handle that word then you shouldnt be using the internet

"What do you mean by revenge negative feedback? I posted my experience with you and I have screenshots of the chat as proof for all my claims in my feedback. "
I went through all your claims and proved it false

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EpicBoost — Yesterday at 2:18 PM
all the orders
have been late

EloLegends — Yesterday at 2:18 PM
Then you should tell then when im late on the order.

EpicBoost — Yesterday at 2:18 PM
do you not understand?
why would I need to tell you to finish on time?

I told you to finish it asap forreal and you agreed , then what happens next? you dont finish it on time again

"So then when I asked when you'd send it you ghosted me until I made this post exposing you. "
Expose me for what ? I am the one that told you to post your coinbase email or address so I can send it then said I will send it later twice in that conversation
then you made this thread because you thought I was " scamming " when I already told you

" Never will suceed in life with a smiley face " this is what you said to me , so don't try to play the victim of being a good person
I paid you already and even posted a video above with full context on how you are late on every order when you gave a timeframe of when it will be done

Did I agree that you should be late on every order? No so lets talk about that
I wouldn't have given you the order if I knew you were going to be late on completing every one of them when you told me otherwise

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I dont think I should be paying full price for him being late on every order ( when i say late , you can see what timeframe he given and compare to how late he finishes the order in the video )
when I only agreed to the timeframe he has given but fail to complete in timely manner

what can we do about that if hes late on every order when I only agree to the timeframe he given before taking the order?

@EpicNPC

 

[EpicBoost]

Yes, my problem is that he continuously gave me orders without mentioning the 5% fee. I accept my mistake for being late for the orders but I too feel like I was being cheated out.

youre cheating me by saying you will finish all the orders at this timeframe ______ but end up not finishing it on time

 

[Adoxia]

Do not post if you are not involved.

 

[EpicNPC]

The dispute is resolved. Payment was send within 24 hrs of the request, so that's acceptable.

The remaining issue is the negative feedback

4 orders, 3 were late, 1 incomplete and stopped mid post by Epicboost.
Payment to EloLegend was sent next day after requested, so about 24 hrs.

Have you ever worked on boosts previously together? The chat seems like you knew each other and when EpicBoosts asked you to boost the account it was accepted and started quickly.

Even though I was almost complete with the boost and only half of the time period I was given was over the owner wanted access to the account mid boost

Customer requesting access to account mid-boost is not really EpicBoosts fault, so I will not consider this part.

The feedback had 3 issues.

- no payment - already resolved
- customer logging into account mid-boost - I do not consider this EpicBoosts fault as mentioned above
- no warning about late fee

Epicboosts did you mention to EloLegends about any penalties for completing a boost late before he started? If yes, please post evidence.

 

[EpicBoost]

Have you ever worked on boosts previously together? The chat seems like you knew each other and when EpicBoosts asked you to boost the account it was accepted and started quickly.

No , I think the first time I talked to him was around 3/6/2021 and everything was fine until customer logged into account without my knowledge then he started freaking out at me

Epicboosts did you mention to EloLegends about any penalties for completing a boost late before he started? If yes, please post evidence.

I went more into depth here on each order >> https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/negative-feedback-removal.1901648/
I did mention it here once after I notice every order has been late so far

if you're going to finish every order late even though you said it would x amount of time , most orders took x2-5+ the amount of time said
the least you can do is give some kind of compensation for late completion , but instead you give me a negative feedback for " Really bad working with him as a booster"
I would of never given him orders if I knew he was going to lie and finish them late multiple times , tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but end up with the same results

I told my client it will take this amount of time because of what he told me but due to him finishing them all late , I have to talk to each one of them and explain which causes bigger issues
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His thread doesnt have TOS either

His thread also states:

Why choose us as your boosting partner?

• All our boosters are Radiant rank on multiple accounts in Valorant (Most of them are playing professionally throughout south asia and south east asia).
• Boost are really secure as we use VPN from the accounts original location.
• One of the cheapest and most reliable boosters in the region.
• We respect your privacy and keep boost details private.
• Very friendly and can work around your budget.
• Provide special discount for long term customers or customers that refer other customers to us.

" Most reliable boosters in the region."
if he was reliable then why were all the orders late?

ORDER 1:
He claims 3-5 days max on 3/6/2021
I give him the order on 3/7/21
He claims it will be finished by the 3/12/21
He is asking for 2 more days to finish it now since he didnt finish it on time at 3/12/21
I told him its kinda late now and asked will it be done today or no on 3/12/21
He didnt play on the account for past 2-3 days ( I checked valorant tracker )
3/13/2021 , I told him I was disappointed in how long its taking since he lied to me twice now
saying it will be done on time


ORDER 2:
I give him next order on 3/11/2021
he said he will finish within couple of hours
it is 3/13/2021 now , I ask him will it be finish today because im lost now
he said it will be finish today
3/14/2021 - still not finished
3/15/2021 - he finally finishes it

ORDER 3:
I ask if he can do this other order as well
he says yes send it fast ill finish it
he says he will play whole day today and finish off both order 1 and 3
I ask him to finish it asap because already super late , order 1 was suppose to be done on 3/12/21,
it is now 3/16 and still didnt finish order 1 .
3/17/2021 , he finally finishes order 1. that is 5 days late from what he agreed to now

ORDER 4:
I give him another order on 3/17/2021 , he said it will take 1-2 days
it is 3/19/21 , the order should be finish but no he only played 4 games in total and I said I dont see how it is possible he will finish in time
so he ask for 2 more days , turning into 4 days now
it is 3/21/21 now , I ask will he " actually " finish it today , he says ill play nonstop and finish today
it is now 3/22/21 , I said I wont be able to pay you in full price since youre this late in delivery

ORDER 5:
I give him another order and told him need to be finish within 24 hours ,
he agrees and said tomorrow morning he can start
customer logs into the game and he loses last match and gets angry
told him I blame him for bad communication

 

[EpicNPC]

the warning about the late penalty must be told to the booster before they start, not after they're late.

Summarization of events
- EpicBoost hires EloLegends44 for some boosts
- EloLegends44 is late to complete most orders
- EpicBoost does not tell EloLegends44 about 5% late penalty fee for orders
- You exchanged negative feedback with each other

EpicBoost wants to give negative feedback for multiple late orders
EloLegends44 wants to give negative feedback because he was not told about 5% penalty fee for late orders

As a booster, I think EloLegends44 should have know there could be some penalty for completing boosts late since that's very common in the boosting industry and I've see many other do the same. However EpicBoost still needed to tell him that ahead of time so everything is clear.

If EpicBoost refunds the extra 5% he took for any jobs before EloLegends44 was told about the penalty fee, then EpicBoosts feedback can be changed to neutral. Neg will remain on EloLegends44.

If instead EloLegends44 says EpicBoost can keep the 5%, then both feedbacks can be changed to neutral.

 

[EpicBoost]

I will send him the 10% instead of 5% , so extra 5% more because I can only send 0.0001 on exchanges as a min

sent:
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/address/329x9ReRqGnAUu1iw2zLV4RuJP1bGdEZBo

 

[PolkaBoost]

"I wonder why you deleted the messages where you talked in filth to me "
I called you a dumbass once then deleted it but you're trying to make it seem like it was alot worse
if you cant handle that word then you shouldnt be using the internet

You said "Are you ****ing retarded?" and called me a "stupid *****". Your saying you said dumbass once and then deleted it? You and me both know how bad of a lie that is.

Also he only paid after the thread was opened.

Customer requesting access to account mid-boost is not really EpicBoosts fault, so I will not consider this part.

The customer requesting access to the account mid boost is okay but im talking about mid game. It happened in the morning too when I started the boost, the customer logged in twice to the account. But this could have been a mistake by the customer logging into the account not realizing that its being played on at that moment. Then during the last game he message me and asked me to log off after the game which I said okay too. During the middle of the game he asked me if the game was done and I told him the score and he said okay. Then he again asked me if the "game over or what??" and within less than a minute of asking he has allowed the client to login when I was playing triple OT and we literally won the last round but lost it due to me being afk after the client logging in. Thats what sparked the whole issue in the first place. If it were a normal case where the client requested access to the account or the client accidently logged in then I would understand you not considering it.

Also in the feedback points you left out him being rude and talking in flith once he knew I wouldn't be working with him anymore. Its like an employee quitting work and the boss scolding him using filth cause of his bad service before he leaves.

- You exchanged negative feedback with each other

We did not exchange negative feedback. He gave me a negative feedback during the beginning of our boosting service. I had no problem with it and even did like 3 or 4 more orders with him after that because the feedback is about the customers experience. What he stated in the feedback was true and all feedback should be honest, I never even took it personal. I submitted my negative feedback at the end of our services with my experience of working with him. The only point that I can take back from my previous feedback is the one that I say that he hasn't paid me. The others still stand true. If the feedback system is not legitimate, then people cannot count on it which is why im saying this.

He also decided to send me a warning for no reason. It looks like he just got mad and started abusing his power as a moderator just because he can. He says that he sent me the warning because my boost is not 'reliable' but it doesnt tally with the reason stated in the warning. Also I dont understand how he can decide if my boost are reliable or not just because hes a moderator. It is only him that has complained about my boost and had time delays like this. So does that mean if someone gets a negative feedback saying that the boost was late then they cannot use the word reliable? My honest opinion is that hes just doing it out of anger. If he even wanted to give me a warning for this he could have done it a couple weeks back when he gave me a negative feedback saying that im unreliable. Why did he wait till the fight to do it?

EloLegends44 wants to give negative feedback because he was not told about 5% penalty fee for late orders

Not really. The 5% penalty was something that I could have ignored but he started to blame me for his customer to logging in while I was mid game and started talking to me in filth which is why I submitted a feedback with my experience. I would have let all this slip and ignored everything otherwise.

 

[PolkaBoost]

The customer requesting access to the account mid boost is okay but im talking about mid game. It happened in the morning too when I started the boost, the customer logged in twice to the account. But this could have been a mistake by the customer logging into the account not realizing that its being played on at that moment. Then during the last game he message me and asked me to log off after the game which I said okay too. During the middle of the game he asked me if the game was done and I told him the score and he said okay. Then he again asked me if the "game over or what??" and within less than a minute of asking he has allowed the client to login when I was playing triple OT and we literally won the last round but lost it due to me being afk after the client logging in. Thats what sparked the whole issue in the first place. If it were a normal case where the client requested access to the account or the client accidently logged in then I would understand you not considering it.

Also I wanted you to check the timing where he asks me if the game is over and the timing i message him that someone logged in. Its literally less then 1 minute between. This is what I was trying to highlight with the screenshot.

 

[EpicBoost]

*********** "You said "Are you ****ing retarded?" and called me a "stupid *****". Your saying you said dumbass once and then deleted it? You and me both know how bad of a lie that is." ***********


I dont recall saying all that except dumbass and if I did call you a dumbass ,it was probably because you didnt understand how to finish on time and need me to tell you to finish on time for you to understand but even then
when I told you previously , you still would think it is okay to be late

https://imgur.com/IFfBk5s

*********** "Also he only paid after the thread was opened."
" he only paid after the thread was open "
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I told you to type your coinbase email or btc address so I can send payment ?
I dont have to send it right away if I said I am sending it later
you're just making up scenarios in your head now to try and justify it as another excuse when in reality you didnt get scammed & you were just impatient , I am the one who got scammed by you because you failed to completed the order
in time and I paid full price for your sloppy work , your thread says " most reliable " and thats why you got a warning because you aren't the most reliable



***********The customer requesting access to the account mid boost is okay
but im talking about mid game. It happened in the morning too when I started the boost,
the customer logged in twice to the account.
But this could have been a mistake by the customer logging into the account not realizing that its being played on at that moment.
Then during the last game he message me and asked me to log off after the game which I said okay too.
During the middle of the game he asked me if the game was done and I told him the score and he said okay.
Then he again asked me if the "game over or what??" and within less than a minute of asking he has allowed the client to login when I was playing triple OT
and we literally won the last round but lost it due to me being afk after the client logging in.
Thats what sparked the whole issue in the first place.
If it were a normal case where the client requested access to the account or the client accidently logged in
then I would understand you not considering it.
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I am the client , if im not mad because you got disconnected due to customer then you shouldnt be throwing a fit
I would just accept the last game not having to be done or I would still pay for that match that was lost but you wanted to freak out



*********** Also in the feedback points you left out him being rude and talking in flith once he knew I wouldn't be working with him anymore.
Its like an employee quitting work and the boss scolding him using filth cause of his bad service before he leaves.
"once he knew I wouldn't be working with him anymore
"***********


Again making up these random accusations that aren't true , I couldnt care less if you didnt work with me anymore
you were late on all orders and didnt put any effort to do better time after time when I told you to because you dont care about finishing it on time



***********"We did not exchange negative feedback. He gave me a negative feedback during the beginning of our boosting service. I had no problem with it and even did like 3 or 4 more orders with him after that because the feedback is about the customers experience. What he stated in the feedback was true and all feedback should be honest, I never even took it personal. I submitted my negative feedback at the end of our services with my experience of working with him. The only point that I can take back from my previous feedback is the one that I say that he hasn't paid me. The others still stand true. If the feedback system is not legitimate, then people cannot count on it which is why im saying this.

He also decided to send me a warning for no reason. It looks like he just got mad and started abusing his power as a moderator just because he can. He says that he sent me the warning because my boost is not 'reliable' but it doesnt tally with the reason stated in the warning. Also I dont understand how he can decide if my boost are reliable or not just because hes a moderator. It is only him that has complained about my boost and had time delays like this. So does that mean if someone gets a negative feedback saying that the boost was late then they cannot use the word reliable? My honest opinion is that hes just doing it out of anger. If he even wanted to give me a warning for this he could have done it a couple weeks back when he gave me a negative feedback saying that im unreliable. Why did he wait till the fight to do it?
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you said " really bad working with him as a booster " all because I called you a dumb ass then deleted it after , that is your only claim here when youre being overdramatic acting like it was that bad and petty
you didn't get a warning for no reason , you got it because you claimed " most reliable " on your thread but base on my experience and all the proof of the orders being late , how can you possible say that is reliable? its a forum rule " any other claim that can't be proven. This is related to seller claims, not the game." as I told you before ,




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I dont understand how he can decide if my boost are reliable or not just because hes a moderator. It is only him that has complained about my boost and had time delays like this. So does that mean if someone gets a negative feedback saying that the boost was late then they cannot use the word reliable?"
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I just read this and you can't be serious right? do you have another definition for reliable that I dont know about when all orders is late? imagine ordering food and your food arrives late by days when you said hours

 

[EpicNPC]

You said "Are you ****ing retarded?" and called me a "stupid *****". Your saying you said dumbass once and then deleted it? You and me both know how bad of a lie that is.

No evidence has been provided. Regardless, if an issue is resolved the feedback is changed to neutral. People swear and argue, these are minor warnings so the feedback would still be updated to neutral.

Also he only paid after the thread was opened.

You opened the thread immediately and you were still paid within 24 hrs. As I stated previously, that's acceptable. There was no time given for this to be resolved on it's own. If you waited 48 hrs, then didn't receive payment and opened a dispute, that would be something I could consider.

https://www.epicnpc.com/s3/xf/inter.../2744207-f01ae4c24aae037ca833f1563a53fd57.png
9:58pm - game is almost over (EloLegends44)
10:48pm - are you signed out? (epicboosts)
11:24pm - is the game over? (epicboosts)
11:25pm - customer signed in (EloLegends44)

Matches in Valorant do not last multiple hours. When you said the game is "almost over" most people would assume that means less than 20 mins, not 87 mins and still not done.

Either you just started the match when Epicboost contacted you or you continued to play more matches. Neither is the fault of Epicboosts. The customer waited 87 mins, there's nothing Epicboost can do to stop him from logging in if he didn't want to wait anymore.

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Feedback has been updated to neutral and marked as resolved. I'm closing this as resolved.

EloLegends44 if you would like to discuss further, you can contact me directly.