Recieved unwarranted negative feedback

[hitdesu]

https://www.epicnpc.com/itrader_detail.php?ir=614763&u=608907

Information
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Date that sale/trade took place: I don't recall how long ago the transaction was because I'm not at my home computer at the moment, but I can update this thread when I have that information.
Method of Contact Used: Skype
Instant Messenger ID of other party: It's too far back, I don't remember but I can try and look for it when I get home.
Your Instant Messenger ID: I only use Skype for my consignment service, which is ""
EpicNPC Account of other party: https://www.epicnpc.com/members/558260-zukoh
Other information:

Sale/Trade Information
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What was bought, sold or traded? Sold
Link of transaction thread: link the thread of what you or they were trading, if any: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/115...Hand-leveled-League-Accounts-EpicNPC-Verified
Approximate value of property: $25 USD was the price of the transaction

Was a middleman used?: Yes
If yes, who? I was the middleman.
Describe why you believe the feedback is wrong:

First of all, I make it abundantly clear that I assume no responsibility of what happens to the account after my service is completed. I act nothing more than a middleman, and the seller assumes ALL responsibility, which is @Barkk.

Also, the transaction that I MM'd was successful.

The seller got his money, and the buyer ( [MENTION=558260]zukoh[/MENTION] ) got his account.

The account was recalled by the seller WEEKS after the transaction, and the seller actually got banned because of it.

@EpicNPC Mike can vouch for this, as I've been 100% cooperative with giving over information that went towards the banning of @Barkk .

This feedback is unwarranted. Also, I didn't "endorse a scammer". The scammer who had 100% positive feedback used my service. There was no way I could have known he was a scammer.

Other details / notes:

Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1156580--Dirt-Cheap-NA-Hand-leveled-League-Accounts-EpicNPC-Verified

I make it VERY clear that the person selling the account assumes FULL liability of the transaction, and that I act nothing more than a middleman. Look at Account #2 in "Normal Listings".

I even make the person who is selling the account post a reply in the thread stating that they are in fact the one who is selling the account, NOT me. I act nothing more as a middleman in the transaction, and I assume no responsibility.

Additional Information
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Did you do any background searching before the trade? Yes
Have you traded with this person before? No
Approximately how many trades have you done on EpicNPC ? About 150 trades

 

[doomedtofail]

You have screenshots showing you explained this customer and them agreeing to this?

Normally you list an account you are the one responsible for account.

 

[hitdesu]

I have chatlogs of @Barkk agreeing that he is 100% liable of the account. I'm not home atm, so I can provide that later.

Also, he even replied to the thread to verify that he was the one who was selling the account. NOT me.

I also stated it clearly "SELLING VIA CONSIGNMENT | OWNER/SELLER OF LIABILITY = [MENTION=630071]Barkk[/MENTION]"

How much more clear can you get than that?

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I also have chatlogs of [MENTION=461478]Cecile28[/MENTION] going over the EpicNPC rules with me and saying that how I'm doing things doesn't have me liable for anything, and that I'm just a MM.

 

[zukoh]

Can I get a refund or another account? I had the account less than 1.5 weeks. And SupremeLeader whether directly involved or not needs to be held liable to some degree since he provided the account. He also vouched for the seller in their feedback, making it seem the purchase was safe and legit. Unfortunately, this was not the case and the account was recalled.

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1194443-Gold-3-Account-NA-118-champs-and-105-skins!-7300-IP

This was the scammer and account.

 

[hitdesu]

Having a successful trade with the person in the past isn't a "Vouch" in any sense of the word. ANYBODY could technically turn into a scammer, regardless of how much rep they may have. Look at the case of [MENTION=491343]Tumbac[/MENTION] for example. When he scammed me after having 50+ rep, I didn't go and give negative feedback to everyone who's dealt with him before. That logic doesn't make any sense [MENTION=558260]zukoh[/MENTION]

Also, according to middleman rules I don't assume liability for anything outside of the transaction. We went over this in PMs.

The transaction is all I can control, and it was successful.

You got your account, and [MENTION=630071]Barkk[/MENTION] got his money. Everything outside that is outside my control as a middleman.

My only job is to facilitate the transaction, not to ensure the security of your account. That's [MENTION=630071]Barkk[/MENTION] 's liability, and he got BANNED for not upholding it.

 

[zukoh]

Idc if he got banned. I am still without an account or money so nothing is resolved.

 

[hitdesu]

The business is between you and @Barkk , and it was resolved when he got banned.

Outside that, there's nothing EpicNPC can do besides pay out of the victim fund, which is randomly distributed.

https://www.epicnpc.com/forums/140-Resolved-Disputes

I suggest you read through the resolved disputes.

 

[zukoh]

You aren't even referencing the right person that scammed me.

 

[hitdesu]

What's your Skype? I'd like to check our skype logs. [MENTION=558260]zukoh[/MENTION]

 

[zukoh]

You need to provide a comparable account or refund my money.

 

[hitdesu]

You need to provide a comparable account or refund my money.

Please tell me your Skype so I can look at our chatlogs.

 

[zukoh]

I don't have chat logs with you.

 

[doomedtofail]

Quit arguing. Now who recieved payment? You supreme? You listed account and accepted payment. There fore you sold account under normal situations. Please provide proof you told buyer you are not responsible for account prior to sale.

 

[zukoh]

Quit arguing. Now who recieved payment? You supreme? You listed account and accepted payment. There fore you sold account under normal situations. Please provide proof you told buyer you are not responsible for account prior to sale.

How can I get my money back or a comparable account?

 

[hitdesu]

[MENTION=183265]doomedtofail[/MENTION]

I didn't get the money, [MENTION=630071]Barkk[/MENTION] did. All I got out of the payment was $2.75 (10% charge for MM, + 0.75 flat rate).

So, if you want that I can give that over. I'm not however going to give over payment that I didn't get.

 

[zukoh]

@doomedtofail

I didn't get the money, @Barkk did. All I got out of the payment was $2.75 (10% charge for MM, + 0.75 flat rate).

So, if you want that I can give that over. I'm not however going to give over payment that I didn't get.

$55 usd or comparable account.

 

[hitdesu]

I'll provide what I can when I get home. ETA like 4-5 hours

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$55 usd or comparable account.

Oh wtf this has nothing to do with the @Barkk situation?

Then I have no bearing in this. You admitted just now that we had zero chat logs together, and therefore I received zero payment from you.

Sorry @doomedtofail, I got this confused with the @Barkk case. This guy just wants money from me because he did a deal with somebody that I previously did a deal with and I gave him positive feedback.

I don't have chat logs with you.

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So, if this has nothing to do with [MENTION=630071]Barkk[/MENTION] then I have never dealt with this guy before.

 

[doomedtofail]

Zukoh if you did not deal with supremeleader you cannot give him negative feedback. Thats feedback abuse. Supreme doesnt owe you money because he had a positive transaction with a user. Provide proof you dealt with supreme .

You have to chargeback paypal payment or get the person who scammed you to refund you. Supreme nor epicnpc are responsible for this refund

 

[hitdesu]

He edited his post after he initially submitted it and included the following:

Can I get a refund or another account? I had the account less than 1.5 weeks. And SupremeLeader whether directly involved or not needs to be held liable to some degree since he provided the account. He also vouched for the seller in their feedback, making it seem the purchase was safe and legit. Unfortunately, this was not the case and the account was recalled.

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1194443-Gold-3-Account-NA-118-champs-and-105-skins!-7300-IP

This was the scammer and account.

Okay, I can safely say that I had nothing to do with this and I've never dealt with him before. He got scammed by someone else, and he just went through [MENTION=672667]Dokusei[/MENTION] 's feedback history.

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Ok cool, this is resolved now. Thanks [MENTION=183265]doomedtofail[/MENTION]

 

[doomedtofail]

[MENTION=558260]zukoh[/MENTION] because supreme leader had deals with him that does not make him responsible. you need to go to paypal or your credit card/bank for money. If not, honestly you are out of luck.