New Thread Listing Design!

[EpicNPC]

I'm sure you have noticed a new look for threads when browsing around the site. The change was made to improve the user experience on both mobile and desktop.

We have removed a lot of not so useful information like views, replies, creation date and last reply in an effort to declutter the display. This creates more room so we can focus on the more important data like feedback, seller registration date, and the item listed for sale. It will also stop members from thread view count boosting as views are no longer being used.

Compared to the previous messy mobile design, this new design is cleaner making for a much improved mobile experience.

For non-sale sections we'll still be using the classic thread design.

Please let us know your thoughts on the new design. Any suggestions would be welcomed and you can also report any bugs here.

 

[The Integrity]

Nice look overall, looking more compact.
Maybe avatars should have remained where they were originally though? Left side looks a bit empty now with just text.

 

[EpicNPC]

We left space for future improvements. We might display a filter or something else in that space. We're redoing a few other things in the future, so something else might eventually go there. I think the seller avatar and username should remain together.

 

[MistiServices]

For me there is too much empty space on 27 inch screen.

 

[EpicNPC]

That's one of the reasons we changed the default website size to a fixed size in January. If you're using the 'fluid' full screen option, then yes, there's going to be a lot of dead space.

However since 55% of our total traffic is now mobile, so our main concern was improving the mobile user experience with this redesign. You can try changing to "fixed" size and it should look a lot nicer.

 

[Flyingasgod]

Where did the buying/selling/sold tags go? Now it's a little hard to know which offer is active.

 

[EpicNPC]

In most sections 90% of threads used the 'selling' tag, in many other sections 99% were selling. I found the tags were taking up too much space and had very limited use.

Members can put WTB in the title if they're buying. Sellers don't really need to do anything since most threads are selling. Those looking to browse "buying" threads can use the filters.

 

[xPureblood]

Is there anyway to revert to the old design tho? like option to use both design old and new.

As theres a huge empty space, are you able to increase the limit of what we can add in the original thread title? so that it doesn't look like a blank space

 

[EpicNPC]

I'm sorry, that's not possible. This was a major redesign and it can't be enabled/disabled with a click. It would require the site to start using 2 separate skins which we have previously stated we do not plan to do.

You can change the website width to 'fixed' size to remove that dead space if you have a large monitor.

Perhaps in the future, we'll add some extra design elements to the sides of the site so members that have extremely wide monitors will not have so much dead space when using the fixed width option.

 

[Ace]

I'm sure you have noticed a new look for threads when browsing around the site. The change was made to improve the user experience on both mobile and desktop.

We have removed a lot of not so useful information like views, replies, creation date and last reply in an effort to declutter the display. This creates more room so we can focus on the more important data like feedback, seller registration date, and the item listed for sale. It will also stop members from thread view count boosting as views are no longer being used.

Compared to the previous messy mobile design, this new design is cleaner making for a much improved mobile experience.

For non-sale sections we'll still be using the classic thread design.

Please let us know your thoughts on the new design. Any suggestions would be welcomed and you can also report any bugs here.

Creation date was a really useful information for me because im used to check some game sections a few times a day and that was a good indicator for me on which threads I should take a look at

 

[EpicNPC]

Creation date was a really useful information for me because im used to check some game sections a few times a day and that was a good indicator for me on which threads I should take a look at

You can use the sort option in the filter area for that. Sort by "newest threads" to view new listings.

 

[minmaxzero]

Looks nice, we missing Sell or Buy tags which are important so we avoid buying selling spam words in the threads

 

[EnjiCraft]

Creation date was a really useful information for me because im used to check some game sections a few times a day and that was a good indicator for me on which threads I should take a look at

very nice design, but I think the word "Joined" is better replaced with the creation date of the thread. Because "Joined" can be seen from the profile, just click the username. The creation date is very useful for buyers bro seriously, especially for newly released games

 

[natsew]

Views were actually interesting to see what's popular, would be great to get it back somewhere, maybe inside topic or when hovering.

 

[stree]

would be nice to see when thread was bumped last time, like certain time/date
really annoying to ask sellers if their offer is still valid or not

 

[Hagaku.team]

Nice! Can you add Views counter please? This was very helpful to keep track of how popular my theme is and how well sticky thread purchases work

 

[Cam57y89]

Extremely annoying as a seller and buyer not being able to see the tab where it shows if its being sold or someone is buying.

 

[zekesieg66]

is there a way to go back to old design. cant see what sold selling or buying. The design is looks clean but i just wanted to see the selling buying or sold

 

[EpicBoost]

would be nice if the feedback was on the left side instead of right

also maybe a community poll to see which prefer which? I would vote old format

new format;
- looks dull and plain , doesn't look satisifying or pleasant to look at
- the buy or sell on the left side tag made it look better
- having reply section / comment section show up when someone added a feedback or made a new comment was nice to have because usually I post like completed orders pictures on the thread and it shows up to date of threads that are active , now you need to click on the thread to look instead of seeing it from the outside

 

[minmaxzero]

I'd like views counter back as well, I think it's important especially when you buy Featured Thread option and you want to understand how much it's helping etc.
But boosting views was a thing too that needs to be addressed somehow.

 

[valkysama]

There is no creation date, no views counter anymore, on the desktop especially looks too minimal also where is selling/buying tab?

 

[zeret]

Not a fan of this new interface. While it looks more clean, as others already pointed out, it's way too clean. The fact that you can't distinguish the threads between boosting/selling/buying makes it way more confusing than before.

 

[kaido100]

New display is too hard to see. The old one is much better

 

[Void]

Old UI was better both on pc and mobile tbh.

 

[skyko237]

Also pictures in the threads are no longer showing, it just says "name.jpg"

UPDATE: Seems to be fixed now.

 

[Evil Chicken]

New UI looks pretty good, but I can see some people preferring the old one.

While I appreciate the new modern approach to this, I feel maybe it's a little too bare bones. As other have pointed out, there's a huge space in the center that seemingly has little function. However, I understand that it's still newly implemented and may see further tweaks in the future.


Some changes I would suggest:

-I would swap right side with left side. I feel it's the most synonymous with what we're accustomed to.

-For join date, I don't think it looks good. In my opinion, I feel it belongs better displayed somewhere in our profile when we post. Similar to what vbulletin forums have.

-I can see some emphasis on displaying badges. Instead of it on the end of every thread title, I feel the badges would look better if it replaced where the join date would be instead.

-Not having the BUY/SELL & BOUGHT/SOLD tags on the forum list is a bit problematic. For a user, being able to quickly skim through a forum knowing which threads are active, inactive, or SOLD is greatly beneficial for the user experience. This is especially important for more active forums. Yes I'm aware there is a lock icon and slightly darkened text to indicate a thread is closed, but you'd either have to click the thread and check if the OP is edited as sold/bought/traded w/e, or view a user's created threads through their profile to view that tag.

 

[Luminous.1010]

The old UI was a lot better than the new one. I know it's a way to make the UI fresh by redesign it, but old UI is more complex, especially with the view counter, and buy/sell/trade tag. I personally prefer the old UI

 

[dh99]

Does anyone even like the new design? The complete lack of overall information presented really hurts it. I understand there's a larger mobile user-base now but to scrap things like the date a thread was posted, and when the most recent replies were seems so unnecessary and really damages the user experience both on mobile and PC.

 

[Dabloons]

I'm sure you have noticed a new look for threads when browsing around the site. The change was made to improve the user experience on both mobile and desktop.

We have removed a lot of not so useful information like views, replies, creation date and last reply in an effort to declutter the display. This creates more room so we can focus on the more important data like feedback, seller registration date, and the item listed for sale. It will also stop members from thread view count boosting as views are no longer being used.

Compared to the previous messy mobile design, this new design is cleaner making for a much improved mobile experience.

For non-sale sections we'll still be using the classic thread design.

Please let us know your thoughts on the new design. Any suggestions would be welcomed and you can also report any bugs here.

I don’t see how views and replies are not so useful information. This new UI is really bad

 

[MistiServices]

Too much of usefull info is missing, sections looks so dull and blank. For example, with view count, sellers can check how popular are some sections before paying for ads / making threads.

Having to type Sold / Buying / Selling , we are losing characters to make proper title for thread.

For years feedback and username was on left side, now is on right , from user perspective is bad ,and many people pointed out.

Not sure why making changes like these, without asking ur users about opinion, like u did many times. Whoever told u the current changes are fine, is a complete idiot.

 

[xPureblood]

I hope EpicNPC allows the community to poll which UI tbh, the new UI seems to be too "new" and minimalistic, new ui doesn't let people know whether they are buying or selling, Huge blank spaces on the right side, missing core information such as view counts, wtb/wts/wtt and many more.

 

[yoafuu]

A lot of information has been lost, especially the dates and the views as well as the status. Im all for it for the compactness but that makes it non user friendly... How about just making 2 views? Legacy and Modern if that makes sense.

 

[ffxivgrinds]

The Number of views is a really important feature for anyone who is investing in ads, thread enhancements, time bump etc. We need this information to know how well our thread is performing, since there's no Graphics/Tools for that.

 

[Sniinee]

Kinda like the old design this one hard to the eyes

 

[raphael]

hope you guys bring back the old one, i cant find any thread that is buying or looking for an account, no difference at all.

 

[EpicNPC]

View, last activity/bump, replies are mainly useful for sellers to gauge activity for their own threads and to monitor their competitors. As a buyer, this information is much less useful. The reason each was removed is below.

Last Activity/Bump

If the thread is near the top of a page or on page 1, it's active. Why does the "last activity timestamp' matter to the buyer? I don't think it does.
- For lesser active sections, you can have many old threads on page 1, so the timestamp is more important. However in this case, the buyer will probably have to contact the seller anyway, so while the timestamps are more important it does not rise to the level of importance to display it for every thread.

Example: A low active section, 5 threads were bumped or are new in the last 24 hrs, the rest of are 2+ days old. With timestamps the buyer will see only a few recently active threads. These are the 3 likely scenarios.

1. Buyer will have a low chance of finding what they need in those 5 threads and they leave. (time stamp matters)
- However I think most buyers would continue to search less active threads to try to find what they're looking for, so the usefulness of the timestamp is limited.

2. Buyer gets lucky, finds what they need in those 5 top threads and they contact the seller (time stamp did not matter)
- Whether the timestamp displayer or not, the buyer would have found the item at the top, so showing the timestamp has no affect.

3. Buyer finds something in an inactive thread and has to contact the seller. (time stamp did not matter)
- The buyer saw the threads were inactive and still decided to contact the seller to see if maybe the item was available. The time stamp did not matter.

The usefulness is very limited and that's why it was removed.


View Counter

Aside from the bot abuse, why is this important for a buyer? There is no benefit. Why would a buyer care about views? The buyer should care about the sellers reputation and the item itself. The popularity of the thread has nearly no impact for a buyer. This information is only useful to sellers and to appear popular when a seller has little or no feedback.

Reply Counter/Last Reply

Same as the view counter. Nearly no benefit for the buyer. Why would a buyer care how many replies or who replied to a seller's thread? Again this is only useful to sellers to gauged their thread popularity and competitors.

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The "Joined" date I would argue is more important that those 3 stats as it shows which threads are from new members. As we know, new sellers pose a much higher risk than established ones, so this information is important to show for all threads to improve buyer safety.

Some upcoming changes:

• Instead of "Joined 2023" well show "Joined 1 day ago" (week, month) so buyers have a bit more info on how new a seller is.
• For sold/closed threads, we will add an indicator so it's easy to see those types of threads. We'll make the update within 24 hrs.

Future changes:

• Views will be added back inside the thread.
• Last activity/bump will be added back inside the thread.

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If your question was not answered, that means it was already addressed in a previous post.

Filters shows "buying" threads if you're buying.

 

[spartanservice]

Instead of show Joined 2019 ( Who care seller when joined) it should be show last reply on thread like YouTube service section showing Today 12:20 PM like that

 

[MistiServices]

View, last activity/bump, replies are mainly useful for sellers to gauge activity for their own threads and to monitor their competitors. As a buyer, this information is much less useful. The reason each was removed is below.

Last Activity/Bump

If the thread is near the top of a page or on page 1, it's active. Why does the "last activity timestamp' matter to the buyer? I don't think it does.
- For lesser active sections, you can have many old threads on page 1, so the timestamp is more important. However in this case, the buyer will probably have to contact the seller anyway, so while the timestamps are more important it does not rise to the level of importance to display it for every thread.

Example: A low active section, 5 threads were bumped or are new in the last 24 hrs, the rest of are 2+ days old. With timestamps the buyer will see only a few recently active threads. These are the 3 likely scenarios.

1. Buyer will have a low chance of finding what they need in those 5 threads and they leave. (time stamp matters)
- However I think most buyers would continue to search less active threads to try to find what they're looking for, so the usefulness of the timestamp is limited.

2. Buyer gets lucky, finds what they need in those 5 top threads and they contact the seller (time stamp did not matter)
- Whether the timestamp displayer or not, the buyer would have found the item at the top, so showing the timestamp has no affect.

3. Buyer finds something in an inactive thread and has to contact the seller. (time stamp did not matter)
- The buyer saw the threads were inactive and still decided to contact the seller to see if maybe the item was available. The time stamp did not matter.

The usefulness is very limited and that's why it was removed.


View Counter

Aside from the bot abuse, why is this important for a buyer? There is no benefit. Why would a buyer care about views? The buyer should care about the sellers reputation and the item itself. The popularity of the thread has nearly no impact for a buyer. This information is only useful to sellers and to appear popular when a seller has little or no feedback.

Reply Counter/Last Reply

Same as the view counter. Nearly no benefit for the buyer. Why would a buyer care how many replies or who replied to a seller's thread? Again this is only useful to sellers to gauged their thread popularity and competitors.

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The "Joined" date I would argue is more important that those 3 stats as it shows which threads are from new members. As we know, new sellers pose a much higher risk than established ones, so this information is important to show for all threads to improve buyer safety.

Some upcoming changes:

• Instead of "Joined 2023" well show "Joined 1 day ago" (week, month) so buyers have a bit more info on how new a seller is.
• For sold/closed threads, we will add an indicator so it's easy to see those types of threads. We'll make the update within 24 hrs.

Future changes:

• Views will be added back inside the thread.
• Last activity/bump will be added back inside the thread.

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If your question was not answered, that means it was already addressed in a previous post.

Filters shows "buying" threads if you're buying.

U are putting sellers on 2nd place, behind buyers. Thats not good, sellers are ones who are bringing business to website, not buyers, sellers purchasing credits and spending on thread perks. You should listen to people who are actually bringing traffic and money to the website, i am not saying buyers are not important, they are, but i belive 1% of buyers is spending 200$ per month on thread perks/credits. The other 99% are sellers. This is just one of the last couple of changes which is against sellers.

From adding a warning that gold sold on epicnpc is botted, giving extra benefits to sellers who are from trustapp approved countries, auto bump change and even terms for hand leveling. None of last changes was accepted with smile from sellers on this page.

 

[EpicNPC]

Instead of show Joined 2019 ( Who care seller when joined) it should be show last reply on thread like YouTube service section showing Today 12:20 PM like that

already addressed this

Reply Counter/Last Reply

Same as the view counter. Nearly no benefit for the buyer. Why would a buyer care how many replies or who replied to a seller's thread? Again this is only useful to sellers to gauged their thread popularity and competitors.

The "Joined" date I would argue is more important that those 3 stats we removed as it shows which threads are from new members. As we know, new sellers pose a much higher risk than established ones, so this information is important to show for all threads to improve buyer safety.

 

[EpicNPC]

U are putting sellers on 2nd place, behind buyers. Thats not good, sellers are ones who are bringing business to website, not buyers, sellers purchasing credits and spending on thread perks. You should listen to people who are actually bringing traffic and money to the website, i am not saying buyers are not important, they are, but i belive 1% of buyers is spending 200$ per month on thread perks/credits. The other 99% are sellers.

These changes were for buyers and we focused on them in this update. If the buyers experience is improved, they are more likely to return, more likely to recommend the site to others and more likely to make a purchase. That will benefit sellers at the end.

We will have another update later this year that focus on sellers, so we did not forget you guys, but for this update we were focusing on the buyer's experience.

 

[spartanservice]

Old is gold

 

[EpicBoost]

View, last activity/bump, replies are mainly useful for sellers to gauge activity for their own threads and to monitor their competitors. As a buyer, this information is much less useful. The reason each was removed is below.

Last Activity/Bump

If the thread is near the top of a page or on page 1, it's active. Why does the "last activity timestamp' matter to the buyer? I don't think it does.
- For lesser active sections, you can have many old threads on page 1, so the timestamp is more important. However in this case, the buyer will probably have to contact the seller anyway, so while the timestamps are more important it does not rise to the level of importance to display it for every thread.

Example: A low active section, 5 threads were bumped or are new in the last 24 hrs, the rest of are 2+ days old. With timestamps the buyer will see only a few recently active threads. These are the 3 likely scenarios.

1. Buyer will have a low chance of finding what they need in those 5 threads and they leave. (time stamp matters)
- However I think most buyers would continue to search less active threads to try to find what they're looking for, so the usefulness of the timestamp is limited.

2. Buyer gets lucky, finds what they need in those 5 top threads and they contact the seller (time stamp did not matter)
- Whether the timestamp displayer or not, the buyer would have found the item at the top, so showing the timestamp has no affect.

3. Buyer finds something in an inactive thread and has to contact the seller. (time stamp did not matter)
- The buyer saw the threads were inactive and still decided to contact the seller to see if maybe the item was available. The time stamp did not matter.

The usefulness is very limited and that's why it was removed.


View Counter

Aside from the bot abuse, why is this important for a buyer? There is no benefit. Why would a buyer care about views? The buyer should care about the sellers reputation and the item itself. The popularity of the thread has nearly no impact for a buyer. This information is only useful to sellers and to appear popular when a seller has little or no feedback.

Reply Counter/Last Reply

Same as the view counter. Nearly no benefit for the buyer. Why would a buyer care how many replies or who replied to a seller's thread? Again this is only useful to sellers to gauged their thread popularity and competitors.

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The "Joined" date I would argue is more important that those 3 stats as it shows which threads are from new members. As we know, new sellers pose a much higher risk than established ones, so this information is important to show for all threads to improve buyer safety.

Some upcoming changes:

• Instead of "Joined 2023" well show "Joined 1 day ago" (week, month) so buyers have a bit more info on how new a seller is.
• For sold/closed threads, we will add an indicator so it's easy to see those types of threads. We'll make the update within 24 hrs.

Future changes:

• Views will be added back inside the thread.
• Last activity/bump will be added back inside the thread.

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If your question was not answered, that means it was already addressed in a previous post.

Filters shows "buying" threads if you're buying.

for the filter , " online sellers only " - Do you need to keep the epicnpc on your browser at all times to be considered online? if so that kinda sucks since I dont really use the chat inbox to talk to client 90% the time because Im not always at my pc unless there is a epicnpc chat inbox app on mobile then thats fine

I think the buyer/seller tag on left side ( should be automatically there ) was better then needing a filter for that just straight to the point but filter for other things is fine

bringing back last activity / bump will be nice yes

I dont think showing the join date matters much because anyone can join recently and get alot of feedback or gain trust quickly and outgrow people that joined much earlier
like you can have someone who joined in 2015 and have 1 feedback still , you generally would go toward higher feedback rather then join date

 

[Yannn]

Its annoying coz we dont know the post already sold/bought or not

 

[EpicNPC]

for the filter , " online sellers only " - Do you need to keep the epicnpc on your browser at all times to be considered online? if so that kinda sucks since I dont really use the chat inbox to talk to client 90% the time because Im not always at my pc unless there is a epicnpc chat inbox app on mobile then thats fine

It will time out and put you as 'offline' after a few mins of inactivity even if you leave the browser open.

We do have a mobile Android app that you can use to chat with members on your phone. It a bit easier than the mobile browser version and you can get phone alerts.

 

[Light0]

Its annoying coz we dont know the post already sold/bought or not

It's very very faint its a difference in BOLD tittle and not. If the title is bold then it's still selling/buying otherwise its finished.

I don't like it like this tbh either

 

[spikevincent]

I'm not one for favoring this new Thread design. Feels so wasteful in terms of what's open. The old design looked better and unique.

 

[yoafuu]

Most of my transactions here are as a buyer so I dont believe you put the buyer as the priority. As a buyer id like to see everything at glance, the traffic/date posted. Date is important to be visible because this saves time and effort when, deciding to check the post out or not, especially when it comes to the ever changing meta in games. Why would i check out a post if its 1 year ago? Traffic or views are also important as a buyer since this not only puts the urgency to make you buy the listing (more views means higher chance itll be sold) but it also means that the listing is, deemed by everyone else, worth checking out. This applies to people that are new to a game/field and not 100% sure on which things are actually good. Dates and number of comments are also important since it means that its being regulated and updated. You may drop the text for some of these and replace them as icons or shortened words or numbers but losing it altogether is anti-productive. Its like im going inside a restaurant without knowing what food ill be served with.

 

[EpicFailKid]

Not a fan. Really hard to understand what's a buyer or seller thread (unless im completely missing something obvious)..

EDIT: There should be an option to choose between themes. This new one just isn't doing it for me.

 

[dh99]

Most of my transactions here are as a buyer so I dont believe you put the buyer as the priority. As a buyer id like to see everything at glance, the traffic/date posted. Date is important to be visible because this saves time and effort when, deciding to check the post out or not, especially when it comes to the ever changing meta in games. Why would i check out a post if its 1 year ago? Traffic or views are also important as a buyer since this not only puts the urgency to make you buy the listing (more views means higher chance itll be sold) but it also means that the listing is, deemed by everyone else, worth checking out. This applies to people that are new to a game/field and not 100% sure on which things are actually good. Dates and number of comments are also important since it means that its being regulated and updated. You may drop the text for some of these and replace them as icons or shortened words or numbers but losing it altogether is anti-productive. Its like im going inside a restaurant without knowing what food ill be served with.

As someone else who is almost entirely a buyer on this website and browse it daily, I agree completely with this take. It makes the browsing experience feel a lot more like some of the shadier snake-oil websites out there. It's clean and looks good on my phone but leaves out way too much information.

 

[Kai]

Not a fan of this new interface. While it looks more clean, as others already pointed out, it's way too clean. The fact that you can't distinguish the threads between boosting/selling/buying makes it way more confusing than before.

would be nice if the feedback was on the left side instead of right

also maybe a community poll to see which prefer which? I would vote old format

new format;
- looks dull and plain , doesn't look satisifying or pleasant to look at
- the buy or sell on the left side tag made it look better
- having reply section / comment section show up when someone added a feedback or made a new comment was nice to have because usually I post like completed orders pictures on the thread and it shows up to date of threads that are active , now you need to click on the thread to look instead of seeing it from the outside

Looks nice, we missing Sell or Buy tags which are important so we avoid buying selling spam words in the threads

I agree with all of this, and would like to see these features added back in some manner. While the thread looks a lot cleaner now, the entire forum is a lot harder to navigate, since important information has been removed or hidden. If you take away too much it actually takes away from user experience and adds more layers to somthing that does not need it.

• Threads no longer have clear indicators mentioning "Selling", "Buying", "Trading". This puts the ownest on members to make their own tags which limits title space, and is not ideal for anyone looking to utilize this for advertising or draw interest in content. Not everyone uses filters so this should be secondary, as listings by default should have some sort of tags stating what it is for.
• I think views are important as you can see what topics are drawing interest and might be popular, this is good information for everyone, regardless of reputation. As a buyer and seller, I would want to know this when looking at a listing.
• Recent reply section was nice to have, gave the community a good sense for engagement and activity, (not just someone auto bumped content).