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[CAUTION] League of Legends Traders - User Name: Cinder

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XtO

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I am very sad to have to do this, but I've been given no choice by the Seller.

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Dispute Date: August 17, 2013 was the date I was made aware that this was a stolen account, by a friend of the Original Account Owner.
Method of Contact Used: Skype
Instant Messenger Name of the Person you are Accusing: NPC.Cinder is what he is going by in his more recent threads, GoonieSloth was the name from our deal thread.
EpicNPC Username: View Profile: Cinder - Trade WoW Accounts Buy Sell - EpicNPC
My Skype Username: eXtOphius

Dispute Information
What is the dispute about? The user has sold me (in my opinion), a possibly stolen League of Legends account. I still have hold over the account, however, a friend of the account contacted me in League of Legends, and we talked on Skype. He also gave my Skype name to the account's Original Owner, and I have spoken to him as well.
Transaction Thread: http://www.epicnpc.com/league-legen...-30-ufo-corki-king-rammus-all-star-akali.html
Approximate Value of Property: $235
Was a middleman used? Yes
Whom? View Profile: Rmysidia - Trade WoW Accounts Buy Sell - EpicNPC
Provide Information that Lead to the Dispute: I had a feeling that taking a chance on a new user selling some decent accounts was a little fishy, I even said that in my original reply to his first thread on the forums. Several days later, a contact on the friend's list on one of the accounts contacted me in game about the account being stolen from his friend. I talked to him on Skype, and he gave my information to the account Original Owner.
Other Details: I talked to Cinder, after he had changed his Skype contact names in his forum threads, regarding this situation. He offered to refund all of the money in exchange for all of the accounts that I had purchased. He said it would be Sunday before we could do this. I have given him ample time to get in touch with me. He has refused and has since posted some BUMPS on some of his other sales threads. I need to make this VERY CLEAR... I have the access to the account that is in question by the Original Owner. I am making this claim to protect other users when dealing with Cinder, as I believe that these accounts were not obtained in a legitimate manner. There has been no recall made, I still hold the access for now.

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Chat Logs:
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Other: I have 23 pictures between League of Legends in game, and Skype conversations, involving the said dispute. They are compressed into a Zip File, and ordered by the timing of the events as they occurred. I do not wish to upload them in public, as there are too many things to edit out of all of the photographs of people not involved in the dispute. I will gladly give them to whichever authority on EpicNPC chooses to help with this case.



Thanks,
XtO
 
please provide screenshots of the skype conversation showing his skype profile please
 
Banned - scammer - http://www.epicnpc.com/active-disputes/548361-%5Bcaution%5D-league-legends-traders-user-name-cinder.html
Hello here is my response to this matter.

First of all I'd like to say that these accounts were obtained in a LEGITIMATE MATTER. Some of these my partner was OO of, and account 1 he bought off of GameWar. You said you were having trouble with only one account, so I offered you a refund for it. After realising that YOU gave him my skype account, which was completely unnecessary, I decided that I could not trust you with a full refund (I hope you wouldn't but it was possible that you take the refund, report all the accounts for being sold and leave me with nothing.) I have done nothing wrong, you received what you purchased, if you want a refund for account 1 message me.
 
XTO please send me the screenshots of the chats, specifically the parts where the person can verify some information on the account to prove they are the OO or their friends is the OO. Why hasn't the OO reported the account to RIOT if it was stolen?

XTO you purchased all 5 accounts? is that how you got to the $235 value?

Cinder, who did you buy these accounts from?
 
I sent an IMGUR album link to MrBean this morning before work, containing all screen shots involved between all parties. Unfortunately, it will probably take a little while for someone to figure the order out (but not too much).

I'm working 80-110 hour weeks for the next 6 weeks so my responses will be more sporadic than normal.

The friend of the claimed OO claimed that they had tickets open on it, but I can't verify that since I still have the password (at least as of Sunday).

I don't exactly know if the supposed Original Owner is legitimate or not. However, the OO and his friend have been on a ranked 5v5 team since March, and definitely seem to know one another. The Skype username of the Original Owner matches the Login ID and Summoner Name of the League of Legends account. That is enough for me to not want anything to do with this entire ordeal, regardless of whom is claiming what.

I placed the value for all 5 accounts, since they were all completed in 1 transaction.

Cheers,
XtO
 
Can you send me those images also?

If you can ask the OO to take a screenshot of the open ticket he has that would help out a lot. If not then I think we'll have to wait until the account is actually taken from you before I can do anything.
 
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