Attempt to scam and damage reputation

[NairdaTienerhaf]

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Banned - Multiple scam accusations

Hello, first of all, a cordial greeting to the entire EPICNPC team and I hope you can help me with my request. Before starting this dispute thread, I tried to talk to one of the moderators who recommended what to do, since I had written it for him. I will leave the same thing that I wrote to him in order not to alter anything of what I already exposed previously:

• Hello my friend, I have a problem, really a dispute with a seller who can see, in fact the person accuses me of being a scammer and therefore damages my reputation here for buyers who have seen it. I explained the matter to him, he wanted to buy some objects that I had for sale in Talon Tales, not exactly the account that I have published but yes specific items, at first it seemed strange to me but I agreed because it was wholesale and I agreed to do it for F&F like that I assumed there was no problem, I proceeded to prepare everything, I gave him time to think about my offer and he accepted, when he made the payment, I verified it and gave him the account information, at first I made a mistake for a number because the password was fruit555 and I had said fruit55 my mistake. However, I myself realized that everything was in order. I update this information and he logs into the account, minutes later he tells me that there is nothing, to which I reply that obviously it is not possible, I ask him to log out of the account and he does, I check it and indeed there is nothing. I ask him if I seriously do not take the objects and he said no, it seemed to me something extremely strange. I have been selling on his page for more than two years and I had never had problems with a seller like this before, only one told me a scammer and it was a GM who, apart from banning all the accounts of a server (ShiningMoonRO) wanted to refund the $10 that he had paid for the boosting service, Obviously, he not escalated the claim to paypal or anything because I had proof to the contrary, I should have fixed that comment here at that time but I forgot, I was really sad, I lost a lot of work time because of that GM, in short, it's the only negative comment I have, I have worked hard for this, in fact, I live from this because in my country it is not possible for me to work in anything else and I would not spoil everything for a simple business for God's sake. However, I told this person that it's ok, maybe one of my team made a mistake and I would check it but I told him that I had no doubt that everything was there and that we are not thieves. for the hour I had to go to sleep and when I got up I see that this person filed a lawsuit with paypal and also tries to discredit my reputation here, so I understand what all this is. I recently had another altercation with a GM but in Nova and although I knew that he set me up for ethics and because I was fooled, I took responsibility and returned the money, admitting that I was wrong in PayPal to avoid sanctions on my account
  
  
• So, I decided to talk to the epic npc team to see if they can investigate this matter in depth and please help me avoid losing the only job that I and my team have. I have all the chat and I never blocked the person, As I mentioned, I have been doing this for more than 2 years with the same methods and I have never stolen from anyone
  
  
• My English is not perfect, but I hope what I wanted to communicate has been understood, I am not going to waste time fighting with the person because it simply will not help, I want to fix this problem to continue with my work as such but what is a fact, It is that now I lost my items, the zeny but I have the money, which is obviously fair, but this person refuses to admit that he took them after having entered said account

I would like to add something that I did not tell Mr. Angel (Moderator), since I was ready to read the comments that said person made and for his opinion and as I told him, we are a team because we sell in this and many other games as well as various servers , we don't always buy and resell if we don't farm by bare hand in fact, we only buy when we have orders that we can't supply. Our mutual friend, has made several trades with me and in fact, we were going to make a trade for zeny in nova that I had to postpone due to the problems with the GM that I mentioned and all this to avoid risking security of said account. I have all the pertinent information in my discord and I will be here attentive to each update because for this I completely paralyzed my business, I hope for a prompt resolution, I will leave some reference screenshots that in fact he also uploaded, but if you need additional information let me know and I will gladly I will publish

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/tal...count-3b-of-zeny-30-off.2371116/#post-8749325

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/buy...k-for-the-cheaps-prices.1786918/#post-8749309

https://www.epicnpc.com/feedback/feedback/698454/view

 

[Ontherick]

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The matter of the fact is you have been paid & I have not received the agreed-on product. You also forgot to mention the fact that you asked me yourself for the transaction to be paid by friends & family, which you knew well that I would not be able to dispute the claims.
Allow me to poke some holes in your logic. Firstly, Fast Crono said "I agreed to do it for F&F like that I assumed there was no problem" He was the one requesting F&F trade

Hello, first of all, a cordial greeting to the entire EPICNPC team and I hope you can help me with my request. Before starting this dispute thread, I tried to talk to one of the moderators who recommended what to do, since I had written it for him. I will leave the same thing that I wrote to him in order not to alter anything of what I already exposed previously:

• Hello my friend, I have a problem, really a dispute with a seller who can see, in fact the person accuses me of being a scammer and therefore damages my reputation here for buyers who have seen it. I explained the matter to him, he wanted to buy some objects that I had for sale in Talon Tales, not exactly the account that I have published but yes specific items, at first it seemed strange to me but I agreed because it was wholesale and I agreed to do it for F&F like that I assumed there was no problem, I proceeded to prepare everything, I gave him time to think about my offer and he accepted, when he made the payment, I verified it and gave him the account information, at first I made a mistake for a number because the password was fruit555 and I had said fruit55 my mistake. However, I myself realized that everything was in order. I update this information and he logs into the account, minutes later he tells me that there is nothing, to which I reply that obviously it is not possible, I ask him to log out of the account and he does, I check it and indeed there is nothing. I ask him if I seriously do not take the objects and he said no, it seemed to me something extremely strange. I have been selling on his page for more than two years and I had never had problems with a seller like this before, only one told me a scammer and it was a GM who, apart from banning all the accounts of a server (ShiningMoonRO) wanted to refund the $10 that he had paid for the boosting service, Obviously, he not escalated the claim to paypal or anything because I had proof to the contrary, I should have fixed that comment here at that time but I forgot, I was really sad, I lost a lot of work time because of that GM, in short, it's the only negative comment I have, I have worked hard for this, in fact, I live from this because in my country it is not possible for me to work in anything else and I would not spoil everything for a simple business for God's sake. However, I told this person that it's ok, maybe one of my team made a mistake and I would check it but I told him that I had no doubt that everything was there and that we are not thieves. for the hour I had to go to sleep and when I got up I see that this person filed a lawsuit with paypal and also tries to discredit my reputation here, so I understand what all this is. I recently had another altercation with a GM but in Nova and although I knew that he set me up for ethics and because I was fooled, I took responsibility and returned the money, admitting that I was wrong in PayPal to avoid sanctions on my account
  
  
• So, I decided to talk to the epic npc team to see if they can investigate this matter in depth and please help me avoid losing the only job that I and my team have. I have all the chat and I never blocked the person, As I mentioned, I have been doing this for more than 2 years with the same methods and I have never stolen from anyone
  
  
• My English is not perfect, but I hope what I wanted to communicate has been understood, I am not going to waste time fighting with the person because it simply will not help, I want to fix this problem to continue with my work as such but what is a fact, It is that now I lost my items, the zeny but I have the money, which is obviously fair, but this person refuses to admit that he took them after having entered said account

I would like to add something that I did not tell Mr. Angel (Moderator), since I was ready to read the comments that said person made and for his opinion and as I told him, we are a team because we sell in this and many other games as well as various servers , we don't always buy and resell if we don't farm by bare hand in fact, we only buy when we have orders that we can't supply. Our mutual friend, has made several trades with me and in fact, we were going to make a trade for zeny in nova that I had to postpone due to the problems with the GM that I mentioned and all this to avoid risking security of said account. I have all the pertinent information in my discord and I will be here attentive to each update because for this I completely paralyzed my business, I hope for a prompt resolution, I will leave some reference screenshots that in fact he also uploaded, but if you need additional information let me know and I will gladly I will publish

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/tal...count-3b-of-zeny-30-off.2371116/#post-8749325

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/buy...k-for-the-cheaps-prices.1786918/#post-8749309

https://www.epicnpc.com/feedback/feedback/698454/view

Let's look at this whole thing objectively, the fact of the matter is Fast chrono has been paid 530$ and I have not received any product. Now for his replies there are many emotional plead and misinformations, which I will point out.

Firstly, Fast Chrono - "I agreed to do it for F&F" He was the one who have requested I make the payment in this way knowing I will not be able to claim dispute via payapl, it is also suspicious that he did not add the part of the conversation that he was the one requesting the trade to be via F&F, which I below. see picture 1.

Secondly, Fast Chrono - "I made a mistake for a number because the password was fruit555 and I had said fruit55 my mistake." This lead me to being unable to access the account for 26mins, which was plenty of time for him or his staff to trade off the items from said account. For a 530$ transaction how can you be 26mins late to respond when your client cannot access the account? see picture 2 & 3.

Thirdly, After the new password was given to me I replied within the same minute, thats only 60 secs for me to log in trade all the items out and tell him on discord. Please ask yourself how is this possible. see picture 4.

Thirdly, Fast Chrorno - " I have been selling on his page for more than two years and I had never had problems with a seller like this before" Yes you have this chat is from a client of yours earlier this year, as you can also see in the chat, he always uses this line "I never had any of these problems before Im good ethical guy." as you can already see his lies in this thread see picture 5.

Fourth, The story Fast Chrono provided with the GM and him returning the money is invalid where is the evidence?

Fifth, Fast Chorno -"So, I decided to talk to the epic npc team to see if they can investigate this matter in depth and please help me avoid losing the only job that I and my team have." Sad story aim to gain your empathy, why allow you to keep scamming others?

To all the Mods reading this I am a new guy here at the end of the day I paid 530$ for an empty account & wasted alot of my time and energy in regard to this matter. I just want his actions to have consequence. This is the best I can do in regard to the evidence provided, I hope it's enough. Next maybe I will try live recording my screen when I trade.
thanks for your time.

Original post by me https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/sca...ve-me-an-empty-account-and-blamed-me.2389591/
Full conversation I crop these images from: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/sca...ve-me-an-empty-account-and-blamed-me.2389591/

 

[EpicNPC CM]

Was trade guardian used here?

 

[NairdaTienerhaf]

Banned - Multiple scam accusations

Was trade guardian used here?

We do not use trade guardian in this transaction

 

[NairdaTienerhaf]

Banned - Multiple scam accusations

By the way, he already told his part of the story and I told mine. If you need additional information from me or answer any questions please let me know, I am attentive to any update

 

[NairdaTienerhaf]

Banned - Multiple scam accusations

On the other hand, although we have not yet concluded our outstanding balance with one of our suppliers, yes, he is an excellent person and he was our supplier for a long time. We are still trying to find ways to cancel said balance and we are still in communication with said person, unfortunately the project could not start but we will surely reach an agreement. this matter is private and it is only my responsibility to resolve it with the partner in question, it has nothing to do with you, friend.

 

[EpicNPC CM]

We do not investigate non-TG disputes, all we require is proof of payment and feedback can remain.


Feedback Disputes

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[NairdaTienerhaf]

Banned - Multiple scam accusations

All proof are provided up in this thread, so no can delete the feedback?

 

[EpicNPC CM]

If proof of payment is provided we dont investigate the dispute and the feedback remains.

If you both come to a resolution on your own it can be changed.