A ban i feel is not investigated enough

[Zoefken]

http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/775782-Scammer-Jstar

Everyone can read the thread as they please but for those who do not want to a small recap before i start my rant.

1. KPD orders a powerleveling job from jstars company
2. Jstars company dies
3. His powerleveler decides to directly contact Jstars customers to continue the job
4. Jstar says ok go ahead
5. Jstar forwards the money (no proof of this yet)
6. KPD gets screwd over and starts the thread
7. Jstar is a bit of a ahole with his words and says that if KPD wants to reclaim money threw paypal he wil get KPD's account banned.

So after this Sakura decides to ban him for speaking his mind. Never did i see any of these sup mods / admins ask Jstar to provide the proof that he send threw the money to his powerleveler as he aclaimed he did. Yet they ban because there logic is that KPD orderd with Jstars company. But i don't see it that way.

Last week, his elo boosting company broke apart and he said he will finish my job and added me on his new personal skype which is "league.jboost"

This quote clearly shows someone else was contacting KPD and ensured he would get his boost done. He could have said no and requested his money back at this time. But by agreeing to these new terms and the new person he is not upholding his initial agreement with Jstars company.

"IMAGEN THE FOLLOWING" you contact a roofer to come and do your new roof. Halfway his company fails but one of his roofers tells you "if you pay me the rest i finish the roof for you". In no way can you later on retrieve any money from the initial company. If this roofer does a poor job. If you can you wil have one hell of a expensive lawyer or a magic wand.

Yet when i replyed to the thread Sakura ofcourse deleted my post "i know i should not post in scam threads but this was clearly bullshit". And when i contacted mike directly he kinda came up with the same excuse.

The whole business partner issue is completely irrelevant to the dispute. It is not any of the customers concern or responsibility to know what is going on behind the scenes of a business.

The customer purchase a service from his business and he was the owner of that business. The business then broke up. It's not the customers responsibility to find the booster that was going to boost him.

Jstart took the money, he should refund it. He should then go to the booster and get the money from them. If they're a member on our site Jstar can open a dispute against them.


The business owner is responsible for all his employees, the can't pass the blame to them. If I buy a boosting service from JoeBoost, then the booster loses 10 games, JoeBoost owe me a refund, not the person doing to boosting.

JoeBoost can't say, well I didn't do the boost, so you have to get your money back from the guy who boosted you. It's not my problem.

And i just explained why i disagree with Mike.

Form your opinion and share it. I do believe this person is banned for the wrong reasons.

 

[ViperOne]

<removed> I stand corrected.

 

[Keiichi]

Banned - dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/keiichi-owes-me-fees-i-hope-he-is-okay-cool-dude.1433002/

Zoef Mike made his decision period.
I close this thread until Mike decides to respond.

 

[EpicNPC]

Reopening. This is what the rant forum is for. People are allowed to disagree with decisions made and rant about it if they want. Disagreeing with a mod is not the same as disrespecting them. This thread is fine so far.

 

[Zoefken]

Thank you Mike, that is why i respectfuly disagree with you and your staf on this one.

 

[ViperOne]

This thread does not have to be bumped.

 

[Zoefken]

I believe it is importand so i bump it. As far as i know there is no rule about bumping posts. And if there is i apoligize.

But in place of giving me a valid response to my points you are making this thread something it isn't. And can you please refrain from posting in my threads if you have nothing usefull to add.

 

[doomedtofail]

There is honestly no reason to bump it and its a rant, if you want to have one any one can post in it. Seems more like you want to start trouble by bumping it and reporting mods

 

[Zoefken]

Ok here we go again.

I want to spread my toughts (freedom of speech). You can disagree, you can even attack the idee, you can agrue with me or you can keep silent. Yet it appears there unwritten rules when something does not go your way. If you can show me where it is written i should not bump a topic in rants i gladly stop douing it.

But until this moment none of you mods / supmods / mike gave any response to the valid post i made. You clearly banned Jstar because KPD was not thinking. The point Mike made towards me got broken apart in 5 minutes of typing yet he did not respond in any way.

Beeing fair was a nice thing about mike in the past, we had some arguments but in the end you never been able to disprove anything i said. The only thing you did was attack my person. And this is why i report your posts these days and not go in the defensive so fast. But you left me no other choice then to type out my toughts again. And now this topic wil go to **** again.

And if i bump this post and you don't want me to you can ask politly in a PM, there is no reason to type it in here unless you want to provocate? Is there?

 

[EpicNPC]

The thread is already at the top of the forum. Any member who has not seen this thread will see it as 'unread' and if they want to comment they can. Bumping it does nothing but antagonize the mod team and myself who are patrolling the forums and monitoring new posts.

Please don't bump again or it will be closed.

 

[Zoefken]

I wil do you the honor. Bumping was needed in my opinion to keep it on the home page.

But yet again there is no clear reason why someone got banned without any clear reason except supmods trigger ban finger. No honest posts from any mod or supmod except things to get me irritated. I know some people would like to see me banned for my big mouth but atleast i have the balls to say wat i think.

But glad to see you find time to respond with a newly created anti zoef rule but don't find the time to respond to my points.

There are two reasons why that could be.

1. You agree with me and are protecting sakura (AGAIN)
2. You honestly think you are correct in your assesment of the ban. (in this case you should defend your actions or break my points apart)


And personaly i would be more irritated with all the sale threads that are beeing bumped then one post in the rants forum.

 

[Sakura]

Zoefken stop. You've made your point. I'm locking this thread.

 

[EpicNPC]

Reopening again. Please do not lock it.

 

[Zoefken]

Thank you Mike