What type of payment is 100% safe for the SELLER?

[Blightning]

Hey, I am asking because I intend to sell quite a lot of high value stuff soon and I am sick of getting PayPal charge backs 4 months later. I always accept PayPal from trusted buyers, but I would also like to sell to people with 0 feedback, but without the risk of course.

I have decent (10-50 100% positive) on all sites I intend to use, so my credibility is no issue for non-scammers.

I am looking for a service that makes it impossible for the buyer to charge the money back and allows me to transfer to money to Paypal(ideally without a fee). No Bitcoin or other non-stable currencies please, I am only looking for a service that uses real money.

Can anyone recommend me a service that fits those criteria?

 

[doomedtofail]

Theres nothing that will pay directly to your paypal. I think you can do an escrow through trade guardian, the buyer pays epicnpc through bitcoin and you can cash out paypal.

Chargeback proof would be western union, but you will get far less sales due to no buyer protection.

 

[ITALY]

BTC, Westernunion and paypal if you have high volume and proofs of delivery, they reserve the right to freeze your money or end your account at any time which is hardly legal but still, so i would advise avoiding that garbage service

 

[ARMIK]

Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency if you're looking at a 0% chargeback. But like doomedtofail said, you will lose a huge amount of customers because these payment methods provide zero protection to the buyer. You must be a solid seller with lots of feedback to gain trust.

Western Union chargeback is possible if you don't claim the money the same day it was sent and you send the item thinking that you will pick up money later. I got scammed 100$ this way.

You can also get blacklisted in WU if the sender reports you. You will not lose the funds, that's true, but it will prevent you from receiving the funds. Funny thing is that WU support will not tell you that you're blacklisted, though your sender will get this message as well as they will reverse the payment back to him with a note that you're blacklisted the very moment you try to pick up the cash.

I know this from my experience with selling large amounts of bitcoin back in the day via Western Union or MoneyGram. If you receive A LOT of payments in a short period of time, like I did, you can also get blacklisted because they will suspect that it's money laundering. Perhaps it's only because I'm from Ukraine, but this is what happened to me.

So these days I have to tell my mom's, father's and wife's name in order to receive funds, because if it gets sent to me - it gets reversed instantly after I try to pick it up

 

[ITALY]

Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency if you're looking at a 0% chargeback.

Western Union chargeback is possible if you don't claim the money the same day it was sent and you send the item thinking that you will pick up money later. I got scammed 100$ this way.

You can also get blacklisted in WU if the sender reports you. You will not lose the funds, that's true, but it will prevent you from receiving the funds. Funny thing is that WU support will not tell you that you're blacklisted, though your sender will get this message as well as they will reverse the payment back to him with a note that you're blacklisted the very moment you try to pick up the cash.

I know this from my experience with selling large amounts of bitcoin back in the day via Western Union or MoneyGram. If you receive A LOT of payments in a short period of time, like I did, you can also get blacklisted because they will suspect that it's money laundering. Perhaps it's only because I'm from Ukraine, but this is what happened to me.

So these days I have to tell my mom's, father's and wife's name in order to receive funds, because if it gets sent to me - it gets reversed instantly after I try to pick it up

I use my wife's name on Paypal because i got terminated after receveing a lot of payments ina short time, they claimed i "broke their terms of service" without telling me why how or what
You're not alone lmao

 

[ARMIK]

I didn't even mention paypal, paypal is utter trash when it comes to sellers, zero protection no matter what you tell them. None of my paypal accounts have been terminated yet, though I only use it with either low trades (sub 100$) or people that im 95% sure about.

PayPal chargebacks can come as a surprise, plus if the buyer had multiple transactions that went through paypal and does a chargeback via bank, your transaction will also be affected even if he didn't intend to do it. This has happened a couple of times on EpicNPC as well I believe.

Since the topic starter asked for a payment that is irreversible I gave him the crypto option. The rest of payment options are pain in the ass to deal with. Some could say Skrill, but skrill will also terminate your account the first time you get chargedback. Maybe it has changed now, but it used to be this way back in 2015-2016.

 

[Blightning]

Hmm okay, thank you everyone. I wanted to avoid crypto, but I guess I will go with BTC then and keep Paypal gift for trusted buyers.