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Trade Guardian Dispute

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Scam Accusation

nutache

Level 30

Trade Guardian Orders: 6

(100%) (3 reviews)
Country
United States
Member Since
Jul 22, 2019
Country
United States
Multiple Accounts
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Information
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Purchase Date: 7/22/2019
Date the problem begain: 7/27/2019
Method of Contact Used (chat progam): Trade Guardian, and Discord
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: [not the display name, must be real username] ᑎIᖴᕼT#7625 on discord /// zeaLLL on epicnpc ///
Your Instant Messenger ID: nutache.tv#0649


Other information:


DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/conversations/new-trade-guardian-transaction-13878.1543376/
Approximate value of property: $600.00 USD
Was Trade Guardian used? YES!!!!!!
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID? Trade Guardian Transaction #13878
Logisticz is the MM we used via trade Guardian, account is supposed to be "secure" but its obviously not.


What is the dispute about?
I bought the account off of this guy via trade guardian.. 2 things are wrong... one being that the middleman handed over to me and account that was unsecure.. one reason being is that I changed the password on the email account so only I knew that password, so there must have been a recovery email still attached or something I'm not sure.... but anyway, the account wasn't sure what so every obviously that's why I am creating this thread... ALSO the dude that had the account "claims to not be a part of this" BUT in fact asked me for the account back, a few hours later, all of the information is changed back... claims to give me the "guy that is responsible" then his info is very similar to the other guys... I give out the twitch info that was related to the fortnite account (twitch name & in game fortnite name were the same) & not even FIVE MINUTES LATER the twitch account got deleted.... then he claims that "Oh, just another coincidence"

Other details / notes: I am willing to cooperate how every anyone would like.. I assume you guys can get to the messages that were done via trade guardian so I'm not posting them unless further instructed. But it sucks to be scammed out of $600.... +more for the MM fee and other stuff but whos counting


Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid!

Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):
Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible):
Other proof: SOME PICTURES ARE BEING UPLOADED VIA ATTACH FILES, BUT OTHER ARE "TOO LARGE" SO I WILL BE WILLING TO UPLOAD THEM A DIFFERENT WAY IF NEED BE. I WENT AHEAD AND RESIZED SOME OF THEM (THE IMPORTANT ONES ANYWAY)


Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.

Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof) He said that he hopes I "have fun with his old account" but he didn't say directly that he was OG OWNER
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc) NO ACCOUNT INFO WAS PROVIDED TO ME VIA SELLER, MM HANDLED EVERYTHING
How long did you have the account before it was recalled? 5 DAYS
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
(you can use the HIDE tag so the images are not publicly available to everyone)


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ON ANTOHER ONE OF HIS POSTS ON EPIC HE IS SELLING ANOTHER ACCOUNT AND HIS IMGUR NAME IS LITERALLY THE SAME AS THE ACCOUNT THAT WAS SCAMMED FROM ME!!!!
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
This guy accuses me of a scam that if I am a trusted vendor as you can see from my past transactions and from what I am on this site ... just because he was cheated of an account after the middleman had secured the whole thing by giving it to him and today at the wrong time he accuses me without any proof, and above all I try to help him and I continue to say swindler without evidence or anything else only by attenuating to a name of a swindler boy who sold on this site '' Mhrzy '' now banned that would be the boy who had sold the account to me in private
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
Look MM tells me that he sent the safe info to the buyer and from that moment I am out means that the account was safe, it means that what happened after I had nothing to do but the guy continues to take it with me without reason
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
The fault lies with this guy, he is the scammer as you can see he is also banned from your site .. when he sold the account to me privately for months there had been no problems, and now that I honestly sold it to myself this guy has had problems without me getting anything done
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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
The buyer then says that the account was ******* but it is not true because from how he was able to control the Middleman you could log in to everything without any problems also since I gave it to the middleman, so this is also a false news
 
so this guy admits to selling a ******* account? I mean, I did have the log in info. I changed all passwords on the email and the fortnite accounts itself. The account got taken away. ******* ACCOUNT
 
I'm not too sure what zeaLLL is trying to prove, all of the info is here for you guys to figure out. I bought an account via trade guardian, mm didn't secure the account correctly or this guy is scamming, and or this is a ******* account or something idk... all I know is that I AM OUT OF $600+ !!!!!!!!!! you can see why I am furious? because clearly this zeaLLL dude has no remorse.
 
also to add, this dudes picture prove absolutely nothing, idk what he is trying to prove.. really a weird sequence of events planning out on this guy between him asking for the account back, then it gets taken away from me, I tell him about the twitch account, then it gets deleted.... then he says his "friend he buys accounts from" is in Italy, ALONG WITH HIM... idk, this is all just sketchy. I've never had this happen before, especially over $600. Not to mention how defensive this dude is being. Doesn't make much sense. I've been refunded, I've been given other accounts, this dude just doesn't care about me losing $600 he just doesn't wanna ruin his "reputation" "from the past" but yet im still out of $6000
 
@nutache do you still have access to the account email or its removed from the email? Can you post what email is?
@zeaLLL can you post a image with evidence that you bough this account from banned Mhrzi
 
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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
I woke up now ... I bought it with mhrzi in private I have no chat and various things because being Italian we talked in voice chat, on call to understand each other and now it blocked me too on discord maybe because ..
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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
And then Delac thinks you're wrong because the guy like me paid a middleman for security I think to be 100% sure, and then as you well know from your experience on the site when I give the account to the middleman account is no longer in my possession since everything is changed and I no longer have access to it, and therefore the responsibility passes to the middleman completely
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
It is not right that I am receiving these problems since I have always been an honest person on this site as you could see from 2017 and I believe that this time the problem must be solved in another way ... Yes no you make me think that this site is not safe given these problems that occur even if one uses the tradeguardian
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
But because the word of delac has to do with it and one like the others, what do I have to do with it .. now half the money the boy gave me spent, and being not well economically now I don't know where to recover half of the money spent .
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
The only thing I can say as I have the email where I sent the money to this '' mhrzy '' when I bought it you can open the dispute to him if you want ..
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
I think I don't deserve this, since we used the middleman I think it was right to talk with it too which guarantees the safety of buying ..
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
from how the guy explained to me the fault is that he had nothing in the event of an account fraud to recover it, it means that I had not added the info to the emails that you usually use the phone or email to be sure .. What fault do I have?
 
@zeaLLL You sold this account to nutache so you are responsible for everything related with. Person from you did bought this account is known scammer so you should previously investigate before you bought account from him.
Our Trade Guardian service does not protect you in case that account is recalled or stolen after successful trade so it has nothing to do in your case.
However since this is not your fault as well if you need some extra time to collect the money we can give you some deadline (in case that nutache agree).

Also i recommend you to open a paypal dispute against scammer so with this money you will be able to compensate nutache.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
Yes a lot, I don't work and it will be impossible for me to see the money that is missing
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
Yes no if the boy wins the dispute on paypal should not be refunded by paypal without continuing to write on this site
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
I can not recover them in any way because the a mhrzy as the boy had sent me friends & family so it is not covered by paypal coverage
 
here is another picture of the email, it is also the same as the other picture .. & yes og account owner took over everything. Which leads me to believe that he had a recovery email attached to the account im not too sure, @Angel & @Delac that is fine by me, (having a deadline) for the payment to be refunded. How ever this guy wants to do it... He is just being super shady about everything going on I doubt I even see the money... He has all of this money to buy the accounts off of this guy (privately in Italian voice chat) but when it comes down to it he doesn't have the money to make up for it because he already spent it... I mean he also bought other accounts off of the guy and is selling them too, probably ******* as well but that's none of my business and id like to focus on the task at hand :) all im asking for is my money back and I think I am being more than fair about this.
 

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Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
Because you keep talking about ******* which is not true and even the middleman I can confirm, then due to the fact of the recovery email even if it were where to remove all the middleman is that his task for which you pay the tax, that is, it's your job to keep everything safe and so if this has happened the blame should be of the MM not mine so since they have been doing this job for years and they are rich, they could repay them because their fault is their
 
I have confirmed that this account email is now set on Mhrzi recovery details (phone number and email)
@zeaLLL we will give you couple of days to contact paypal and try to get your money back
Unfortunately in case that you fail and not be able to refund you will be banned
 
I just feel like this guy is either this mhrzy guy, or he is working with him.. because he asked me to sell it back to him, then the account goes missing from me, then I brought up the twitch account, not even 5 minutes later it was deleted... now what I refer to "shady" he refers to as a "coincidence" and "him trying to cover his tracks"? I don't think so bud. Notice how he shows no remorse in any way, just saying that it's not his fault and that someone else should pay for it. Idk man just a really bad deal all together and now im screwed out of $600
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
But it is not true that I feel no remorse is from yesterday that I am telling you that I am sorry and that I would have helped you to recover it and you are unjustly accusing me without cause conitnuamente even if now the middleman says that you can be traced to Mhrzy
 
But it is not true that I feel no remorse is from yesterday that I am telling you that I am sorry and that I would have helped you to recover it and you are unjustly accusing me without cause conitnuamente even if now the middleman says that you can be traced to Mhrzy
LMAO how you gonna recover it when its literally backed up by another email and phone number LOL quit playing dawg you're in the wrong here just to oblivious to see it
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
friend in friendship you know that the fault of all is yours because you have not put any safety thing
 
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@zeaLLL in this thread you even posted scammer Discord and you write that is your friend
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/lf-ghoul-s2-s3-full-fa.1486260/
So by this you are tightly related with him and there is no any reason to someone pay for your mistakes.
You have 48 hrs to contact Paypal and compensate to nutache
In case you fail you will be banned

Please do not argue here anymore since final decision is already made
 
@zeaLLL in this thread you even posted scammer Discord and you write that is your friend
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/lf-ghoul-s2-s3-full-fa.1486260/
So by this you are tightly related with him and there is no any reason to someone pay for your mistakes.
You have 48 hrs to contact Paypal and compensate to nutache
In case you fail you will be banned

Please do not argue here anymore since final decision is already made

Thanks for the help Angel. I appreciate it.
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
What do you say friend I see nothing, I click on the link tells me u rant in so problems
 
Banned - Failed to resolve dispute - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/trade-guardian-dispute.1486709/
Nice scam this site, you can fool a person who was doing his best to help recover everything
 
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