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Is it even that bad?

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This was taken at 8:15 AM (MST) and, according to it, there were 238 users online at the time: 51 Registered, 162 Guests, and 25 Spiders. I seriously doubt that there are 200ish people that are not intelligent enough to see the HUGE text that is telling them that there are new forums and where to go to get there; That amount of people wouldn't just stay on the site to view threads without having the ability to post.

I always wonder on many sites that I go on if the "current users online" is the actual number, but because of the way things are, and the way these things sometimes update (slooowly), it usually isn't the correct information; this is what I think the case with the old MMOBay forums is. I believe that the site has never been updated fast and that it has never logged people out for being inactive but still in the browser, or logging people when they actually exit their browser. We are used to the large, fake numbers being shown since, possibly, the site's creation. Now that we have a new site that possibly updates much quicker than the UBB forums and that possibly doesn't count users being online if they haven't had activity for the passed 5 minutes or something, we're acting like the sky is falling.

Right now, I am like all of the people complaining about the site's traffic; I'm pretending to know what I'm talking about without taking everything into account and dismissing all other possibilities just because everyone is in an irritable mood due to the change. I'm sure there are a few people that haven't been able to follow the change in forums for whatever reason, and some people may be pissed about TWV and the rating system thus far, but I really don't think this is that drastic.

Mike could just make the old forum's URL redirect users to these forums, but he's probably worrying about other **** and I don't really think that it's necessary.

..meh
 
Personally, I don't think there is a traffic problem. This is day one of the transformation and it's not an overnight process where everyone transfers over immediately. Only the daily users have been the ones to immediately bump over. I think if everyone just gives it a little time, both for traffic and bug fixes, we are looking at a really positive change in the forums. The software upgrade is a very big change, but it has some features which will really help in the long run.

One feature which I'm REALLY happy about is the new AIM HTML button under the profile. This will almost completely remove AIM impostors from being a threat to the users on the forum. As such, I advise everyone to start directing people to click on the AIM button to direct them to a chat with you, rather than have them copy/paste an AIM address from signatures.

Back on topic, only time will tell seems to be the best way to respond. For one day, I think we're doing pretty well - and I'm sure there are a lot of big and exciting changes to come :).
 
Personally, I don't think there is a traffic problem. This is day one of the transformation and it's not an overnight process where everyone transfers over immediately. Only the daily users have been the ones to immediately bump over. I think if everyone just gives it a little time, both for traffic and bug fixes, we are looking at a really positive change in the forums. The software upgrade is a very big change, but it has some features which will really help in the long run.
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Exactly my thoughts.

The only reason I made this thread was because I've been seeing so many people complaining about it when there's absolutely no reason to.
 
I find that the word "complaining" is a bit overkill. Personally, I was simply stating a fact. If you look at the numbers, they showed that there has been a significant traffic drop. Now, maybe UBB did not update when people logged in and out for forum viewing. Maybe it did. No one knows for sure besides administrators. What I can tell you that my post for purchasing accounts has been at the top of the WTB WoW forum for past 3 hours. Now, on a Sunday on MD, that would not last 10-20 minutes on the frontpage.

As for this product switch. Yes it was due. But, why not wait until you guys had every bug ironed out instead of letting the community be your test dummy. It is basic coding practice to always test things to the breaking point before you push something live. Seems more like this was a rushed process than anything else.
 
The stat feature on VB and UBB is set completely different.

UBB - 90 mins
VB - 90 sec

I can change it to 90 mins also if you like seeing big member numbers.

Edit: Whoops, posted under my test account.
 
testuser said:
The stat feature on VB and UBB is set completely different.

UBB - 90 mins
VB - 90 sec

I can change it to 90 mins also if you like seeing big member numbers.

Edit: Whoops, posted under my test account.
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See, that kind of stuff I did not know. Good to know now though :)
 
I'm still confused why people were endorsing and commenting on how needed this change was. Now I see those exact people whining... Doesn't make much sense now, does it?

I personally think the traffic is fine. The change is amazing and it will allow for great upgrades and a promising future.
 
I hope you're not talking about me (it may just be me taking it the wrong way), but the only thing that I'm complaining about are the complainers. I'm complaining about the complainers, which makes me a complainer, which makes me a hypocrite. I've always wanted a change in the site and I'm very happy that it's finally here; I'm not disappointed in the least.
 
^ Again, sorry for using the word, but a lot of people are doing so and it's easier to generalize them all into a large group with one name than name them individually (which there's no point in doing). Some give opinions and some just like to complain right away.
 
btraill said:
I'm still confused why people were endorsing and commenting on how needed this change was. Now I see those exact people whining... Doesn't make much sense now, does it?

I personally think the traffic is fine. The change is amazing and it will allow for great upgrades and a promising future.
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If you were still in the Buy/Sell/Trade business you would of noticed within hours that the traffic is indeed not fine compared to what it was.
 
Difference between fine and perfect. Logically, I know that there would obviously be a drop. As posted by Mike, VB is a 90 second refresh rate and UBB is a 9 minute refresh rate. (If I remember correctly)

There was 78 active users the last time I looked. (But that's WITHOUT the 9 minute update rate)

I know there was obviously a drop, but it's not to the point of extinction... Yet. Now I'm saying "Yet" because I feel the same as you guys, in reality there will be a problem if the traffic stays like this.
 
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id give it 2 weeks before id call anything a problem.
 
testuser said:
The stat feature on VB and UBB is set completely different.

UBB - 90 mins
VB - 90 sec

I can change it to 90 mins also if you like seeing big member numbers.

Edit: Whoops, posted under my test account.
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That seems like a bit of a red herring. If you want to argue about numbers and the affect that updating has on them, that's fine. But a simple common sense approach of looking at the posts and post traffic will tell you that traffic is way way down. As KH has said, posts are staying front page for hours on end, when they would have been bumped out on markee in under 30mins. That seems to signal a 70% or more drop in traffic. Arguing about updating time is silly against that kind of reality.
 
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cant be positive about not being able to sell accounts :\
 
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I mean if you google buy wow accounts, mmobay.net is 3rd, but the problem is nobody is really going to think its a major place in teh forums for people to come, mabye we need to make it more of a direct link or something
 
I personally think the site needs to be completley re-indexed, there needs to be some MAJOR SEO work done and some ad work if we plan on attracting new people. But, I'm pretty sure this whole concept is already on the to-do list.
 
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Yeah I don't see a new user population coming in unless theres some seo work done or of the likes.
 
When the forums moved from MD to MMOBay.net, we were able to redirect the post directly from MD to the same posts on MMOBay. However we cannot redirect the UBB posts on the old forums to the VB forum post because all the URLs are different. This basically gave us two options.

1) Redirect the UBB forums to the new VB homepage, vbforums.mmobay.net.
- Benefit: Obviously the traffic would all flow directly to the new VB forums and we wouldn't lose any traffic.
- Disadvantage: Within 1-2 months, search engines would de-index all the UBB threads because they no longer exist and just redirect to the VB forums

2) Keep the UBB forums up and just put links to the new VB forums (This is what I chose to do)
- Benefit: Search engines would take much much longer to start de-indexing the UBB threads, years. While some would never get de-indexed.
- Disadvantage: We would lose traffic because people would arrive at the old UBB forums and might not click the link to the new VB forums.

With that said, once these new VB forums start to get indexed in search engines, usually takes 1-3 months, we will again see more traffic coming in. This will take time and is really out of my hands. I also haven't had the chance to do any SEO work on the forums yet. I consider myself a SEO expert and from my Google rankings from MMOBay.net, I think you will agree. "sell wow accounts" #1 in Google.

At this point, this should be the lowest traffic gets. It will only increase from here on out, it just might take a little while.
 
From a business standpoint I personally think the transfer again was premature and not well planned out. Instead of giving the old forums more time to settle in from the initial move from Markee we're moving again.... this created so many cracks that it seems hundreds are getting lost or just giving up in.
 
business operators need to realize that they can not count on traffic from a single at any given time to generate all or a majority of their revenue.

i have noticed a drop in sales as have others, but only from customers garnered from this site. use this as a learning experience and branch out a bit into other venues and seek customers in ways that would seem out of the box.
 
I completely with both Triple and Btraill.

I have halted my operations for personal reasons and because I think that the market is taking a nasty turn at this juncture. I going to resume operations when I feel that the market is back to a stabilized state and that I can once again offer the best accounts available on the market. I will do spot sales very similar to what Zerotolerance does, but I am not going to do full capacity sales for the time being.
 
I completely agree with both Triple and Btaill -- should be the first sentence.

WTB "Edit Post" for the first 10 minutes after you post...
 
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I think there is sitll PLENTY Of money to be made, just gotta adjust prices for the market,
 
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relying on 1 forum for a casual selling/trading wouldnt be setting up for failure imo. but yea shouldnt really complain about the traffic.
 
Just my 2cents. I havent used this site a whole lot snce MD went away, but its sooo obvious traffic is nowhere near what it was. On MD, You make a thread, its on the second page in a matter of minutes. Now, it sits there. I dont claim to have the answer. Personally, althought I understand what MD did, I think it was crappy how he did it. Letting people prepare would have been a wonderful solution. Giving everyone a week would not have hurt him at all. I will never visit his site after this. Dont care what "big name" company he signs with. Anyways, as sad as it makes me, I think this site is doomed. Dont get me wrong, its a great site. But people will come here from google looking to buy accounts at mmobay, not the forums. MD was the forums. I rarely read the useless crap he posted (no offence). Anyways Ill stick around as long as I can, I think with a little tweaking this could be a great site. I mean, why not seperate MMObay and the forums and advertise them both seperate? They could still be linked, but with different goals. Bah, Im rambling. Just seen a ton of familiar faces in here and thought I would throw my 2 cents in. It just seems to me, those that did business on MD that are saying they notice huge traffic drops are being told there isnt much of one by people ive never seen before. Meh
 
HordeFancyMe said:
I think there is sitll PLENTY Of money to be made, just gotta adjust prices for the market,
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Adjust prices to the market... That reminds me of something KcJ would say that would make ABSOLUTELY zero sense.

The market has already suffered terribly because of the ease of content. Now, you want to adjust them more? By the time you do that, you could have made more working at McDonalds at $8-9 per hour.

Also, "PLENTY OF MONEY" to be made and yet I see accounts such as yours up for the past 2 months. Clearly, there is not money to be made if you do not have the proper product that the customer is looking for.
 
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eh act all arrogant if you want, I don't have an account for more than a week tops, sure content is easy, that doesn't mean there isin't money to be made, don't be raging cause your not all knowledable
 
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KHAccounts.net said:
Adjust prices to the market... That reminds me of something KcJ would say that would make ABSOLUTELY zero sense.

The market has already suffered terribly because of the ease of content. Now, you want to adjust them more? By the time you do that, you could have made more working at McDonalds at $8-9 per hour.

Also, "PLENTY OF MONEY" to be made and yet I see accounts such as yours up for the past 2 months. Clearly, there is not money to be made if you do not have the proper product that the customer is looking for.
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you give mcdonalds too much credit. They stick to min wage which is like $6 I think in Virginia
 
HordeFancyMe said:
eh act all arrogant if you want, I don't have an account for more than a week tops, sure content is easy, that doesn't mean there isin't money to be made, don't be raging cause your not all knowledable
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First off, if you are going to try act more "knowledgeable" at least learn to conjugate a complete sentence. That will make things you say be taken in a serious manner. I am not acting arrogant. I am acting on the information that is available. Anyways, best of luck losing your *** :)
 
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Destiny said:
Things are soooooo slow. Gah, where has everyone gone :(
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Agreed, takes 2-3 hours for a post to move from the first page in the most popular section (WoW US Trades). I don't expect to be flooded with offers not being very well known/repped but this is kinda crazy :(
 
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