the buyer requested a return after making changes to the account

[FanZX]

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DISPUTE Information
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Link to thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/america-starter-albert-sarka-16-tickets-left-10.2762579/
Approximate value of item/service: $10 USD
Date the problem began: 04/04/2024
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Describe the problem:

The buyer asked me to take responsibility for the mistake, he made 40 summons on the beginner banner without knowing whether the banner still had a guaranteed banner.
It's true that I didn't state on my post that the account had received 5 stars on the beginner banner, but I also didn't deceive him by saying that the banner still had a guarantee or had not yet received 5 stars.
What I ask is why should I be responsible even though I never said anything like cheating him, I just have the principle that I will make a return if the account I sell does not match the description I gave

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[BladerunnerQ]

Seller just admitted his mistakes here

“It's true that I didn't state on my post that the account had received 5 stars on the beginner banner, but I also didn't deceive him by saying that the banner still had a guarantee or had not yet received 5 stars..”

 

[BladerunnerQ]

Also i am not even sure why he opened this against me? He has my money and i am left with an account that i BOUGHT under false pretenses. I find it comical that the buyer shares no responsibility on his behalf given that he now STATES if the guarenteed banner is OFF or ON, a good example below of his recent listings..

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-starter-sansar-beginner-banner-untouch-10.2762693/

He now states the banner is untouch in the TITLE of his listings now, AFTER I confronted him about this... I find this as a BIG clue that he knew what he was doing..

 

[FanZX]

Seller just admitted his mistakes here

“It's true that I didn't state on my post that the account had received 5 stars on the beginner banner, but I also didn't deceive him by saying that the banner still had a guarantee or had not yet received 5 stars..”

but I never told you that the account still has a 5 star guarantee, so after you have done 40 summons of your own accord, why do you want me to be responsible?

 

[BladerunnerQ]

but I never told you that the account still has a 5 star guarantee, so after you have done 40 summons of your own accord, why do you want me to be responsible?

Exactly, how can you not claim not even single slight of responsibility if YOU never this much needed information???

 

[FanZX]

Also i am not even sure why he opened this against me? He has my money and i am left with an account that i BOUGHT under false pretenses. I find it comical that the buyer shares no responsibility on his behalf given that he now STATES if the guarenteed banner is OFF or ON, a good example below of his recent listings..

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-starter-sansar-beginner-banner-untouch-10.2762693/

He now states the banner is untouch in the TITLE of his listings now, AFTER I confronted him about this... I find this as a BIG clue that he knew what he was doing..

but I am not deceiving you, I have provided detailed screenshots in the post that the beginner banner is 40/50, you should ask first if what you are looking for is an account that has a guarantee banner or not, when you have made a mistake on the 40 summons you made, then ask. I'm responsible isn't that ridiculous?
I can give you responsibility if you have not made changes to the account, that is normal in buying and selling

 

[FanZX]

Exactly, how can you not claim not even single slight of responsibility if YOU never this much needed information???

I will take responsibility if I give wrong details, but the fact is that I never gave you wrong details

 

[BladerunnerQ]

If you would claim some sort of responsibilty we can move forward and forget about this and move on with our lives, this isnt worth the $10, you have all the account details do with it as you will

 

[BladerunnerQ]

Details that were left out below, if you would put this or told me this I wouldnt have bought the account, I dont think any would have bought them...

Sorry, I only included the text when the banner was still available

yes i got sarka from beginner banner sorry if i don't says before

 

[FanZX]

I will take responsibility if I give wrong details, but the fact is that I never gave you wrong details

I can also accept account refunds if you haven't made any changes but you have made 40 summon which is not acceptable

 

[FanZX]

Details that were left out below, if you would put this or told me this I wouldnt have bought the account, I dont think any would have bought them...

I don't mind if no one buys it and I don't force you to buy, if you are smart you should ask first before buying

 

[FanZX]

@BladerunnerQ
what I cannot accept is that you ask for responsibility when you have made changes to the account, if you ask first before making 40 summons and I provide false information then I have the right to take responsibility for you

 

[BladerunnerQ]

I made changes to the account under the pretense of the DETAILS you left out... How can you not get it? You left out vital information that any buyer would need.... Like I said, if you can claim SOME SORT OF RESPONBILITY we can both move forward from this.

 

[FanZX]

I made changes to the account under the pretense of the DETAILS you left out... How can you not get it? You left out vital information that any buyer would need.... Like I said, if you can claim SOME SORT OF RESPONBILITY we can both move forward from this.

you make changes doing 40 summon, so i don't accept it

 

[BladerunnerQ]

you make changes doing 40 summon, so i don't accept it

I am not asking for a refund of my $10, I told you above in my message, I just want you to own up and claim some sort of responbility..

 

[FanZX]

• Details that were left out below, if you would put this or told me this I wouldnt have bought the account, I dont think any would have bought them...

  if you have a problem with the way I make posts.
  I didn't include too much detail, a few photos should be enough
  you are just too stupid if you don't ask for details first before buying.
  you need to know there are no rules for including details whether it still has a 5 star guarantee or not in the post, that's why I didn't write it and never provide wrong information
  Our problem is whether I ever gave you the opposite details
  If I provide inappropriate details, for example I have told you that the banner still has a 5 star guarantee, then I can be responsible for you
  You are just a careless person who made your own mistake and asked for compensation
  

 

[FanZX]

I am not asking for a refund of my $10, I told you above in my message, I just want you to own up and claim some sort of responbility..

What responsibility do I need to take when I haven't done anything wrong?

 

[BladerunnerQ]

just tell me why you now put "Banner untouch" in your listings?

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-starter-sansar-beginner-banner-untouch-10.2762693/

 

[FanZX]

just tell me why you now put "Banner untouch" in your listings?

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-starter-sansar-beginner-banner-untouch-10.2762693/

I never told you that the account still had a guarantee, so what you did was your own mistake do 40x pull & you didn't ask whether the banner still had a guarantee or not

 

[FanZX]

just tell me why you now put "Banner untouch" in your listings?

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-starter-sansar-beginner-banner-untouch-10.2762693/

the reason is that I will give marks only to accounts that do not touch the banner at all

 

[BladerunnerQ]

I never told you that the account still had a guarantee, so what you did was your own mistake do 40x pull & you didn't ask whether the banner still had a guarantee or not

"I never told you" ... proved my point

 

[BladerunnerQ]

the reason is that I will give marks only to accounts that do not touch the banner at all

LOL, wrong, you put" banner untouch" because it is VITAL INFORMATION, you just proved my point

 

[FanZX]

LOL, wrong, you put" banner untouch" because it is VITAL INFORMATION, you just proved my point

then did I cheat you on the post you bought?
I didn't include the untouch banner and I didn't say that the account still has a 5 star guarantee

 

[FanZX]

what's wrong for this post
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/america-starter-albert-sarka-16-tickets-left-10.2762579/

 

[BladerunnerQ]

then did I cheat you on the post you bought?
I didn't include the untouch banner and I didn't say that the account still has a 5 star guarantee

Exactly why "didnt" you include that in the posting.... You say its my fault, but now you put banner "untouch" in your new listings... Can you not see how that can be seen a tiny bit deceptive?

 

[FanZX]

"my ultimate word"
If the buyer can prove that I provided wrong information for my account, such as I added details that still have a 5 star guarantee or have not received 5 stars then I will take responsibility for the mistake he made in doing 40x summons on the beginner banner without any questions.

 

[BladerunnerQ]

I am not sure why he created this thread as we didnt use Trade Guardian, I havent filed a paypal dispute even though I sent payment as Goods and Service. All I wanted was the seller to admit that "maybe" or "perhaps" he either forgot to mention important information in the listing i bought the account from. Clearly in his new postings he does mention the "banner being untouched" now, so he clearly learned from this... whether he would like to admit this or not... He has my $10, and my account details, the account will be left to rot..

 

[FanZX]

Exactly why "didnt" you include that in the posting.... You say its my fault, but now you put banner "untouch" in your new listings... Can you not see how that can be seen a tiny bit deceptive?

That's my marketing trick, do you like it?
we play in the world of buying and selling friends, the point is we don't deceive anyone

Smart people will ask about banner details because there is already a 40/50 banner picture and then I will answer the truth
but you are so stupid without asking questions and once you know you make 40x summon without 5 stars ask me to take responsibility

 

[BladerunnerQ]

That's my marketing trick, do you like it?
we play in the world of buying and selling friends, the point is we don't deceive anyone

Smart people will ask about banner details because there is already a 40/50 banner picture and then I will answer the truth
but you are so stupid without asking questions and once you know you make 40x summon without 5 stars ask me to take responsibility

We just go around in circles, 40/50 banner photo can mean anything... it can mean you summoned there and got nothing... You want to "answer the truth", why not just posted the information in the banner in the first place? Save both of us headaches?

 

[BladerunnerQ]

Sorry if I didn't include the text that beginners get 5 stars, but I have provided a 40/50 banner photo

Sorry, I only included the text when the banner was still available

Seller was very apologetic at first, I believe this is because he knew he is at fault, even just a tiny bit.... Neverhtless, he has gone into full defense mode and isnt in the mindset for reasoning.

 

[FanZX]

Seller was very apologetic at first, I believe this is because he knew he is at fault, even just a tiny bit.... Neverhtless, he has gone into full defense mode and isnt in the mindset for reasoning.

I'm a little sorry for not telling you because you didn't ask, after I apologized you still asked me to take responsibility, isn't that ridiculous?
you made a mistake of your own accord and were so stupid that you didn't ask first even though the banner was 40/50, therefore I don't care and there will be no responsibility because it was purely your fault for not being careful.

By the way, if you can prove that I have said that I gave wrong details such as the account still has a 5 star guarantee or has not received 5 stars on beginner banner then you will be get responsible from me

 

[BladerunnerQ]

I have already proved my point, you proved my point for me, LOOK at your own listings, you put "banner untouch" now, what more proof do you want.

 

[FanZX]

I have already proved my point, you proved my point for me, LOOK at your own listings, you put "banner untouch" now, what more proof do you want.

It's up to me to make a post including complete details or not, the point here is that you are asking for responsibility whereas I never provide details to deceive you, such as saying that the account still has a 5 star guarantee.

 

[FanZX]

smart people will ask and the seller will answer the truth
careless people never ask about details

 

[BladerunnerQ]

It's up to me to make a post including complete details or not, the point here is that you are asking for responsibility whereas I never provide details to deceive you, such as saying that the account still has a 5 star guarantee.

You proved me right again! Yes it IS and WAS up too you to post details, like i said I am not sure if you did this with deception or just forgot to include it in your posting. Nevertheless, you wont understand this as its far too complicated for you.

 

[FanZX]

I never provide details that have elements of fraud to buyers, I only make posts that do not include a 5 star guarantee but there is a picture as a guide.
the buyer was so careless because he didn't ask and did 40 summons I think he already knew the consequences!
if the buyer doesn't like the account I sold I can make a refund provided the buyer can prove that I gave the wrong details such as telling him that the account still has a 5 star guarantee and not have details has been changes on the account

 

[BladerunnerQ]

Like i said many times over I could care less about the $10 or about the refund, I just want you to be a MAN and own up if you forgot to add some details on the listing.

 

[FanZX]

Like i said many times over I could care less about the $10 or about the refund, I just want you to be a MAN and own up if you forgot to add some details on the listing.

You want to exchange your account with another one of mine while the beginner summon you did was due to your own carelessness without asking first, so what if I didn't include an article about the beginner banner?
I have included a photo there

 

[BladerunnerQ]

You want to exchange your account with another one of mine while the beginner summon you did was due to your own carelessness without asking first, so what if I didn't include an article about the beginner banner?
I have included a photo there

“So what if I didn’t include an article about the beginner banner”

Exactly what I was trying to convey earlier, why wouldn’t you include it? It would help the buyer and and it would help you the seller to protect yourself from fraud or deception.

 

[FanZX]

“So what if I didn’t include an article about the beginner banner”

Exactly what I was trying to convey earlier, why wouldn’t you include it? It would help the buyer and and it would help you the seller to protect yourself from fraud or deception.

it doesn't matter what happens, I just didn't include not committing fraud details!
if someone wants to prove me wrong then provide proof if i have given wrong details

 

[FanZX]

“So what if I didn’t include an article about the beginner banner”

Exactly what I was trying to convey earlier, why wouldn’t you include it? It would help the buyer and and it would help you the seller to protect yourself from fraud or deception.

actually other people are not like you, even if there are details that are not included in the post, they will question it.
you made a mistake because you were careless and careless but don't want to admit it just want to corner me..
If you understand the beginner banner feature, why not ask me before buying?

 

[BladerunnerQ]

Why won’t you admit that you too made a mistake and are now posting “banner I touch” now in your new listings?

 

[FanZX]

Why won’t you admit that you too made a mistake and are now posting “banner I touch” now in your new listings?

My thread always has beginner untouch if it's true that it's untouched, why do I need to admit a mistake like you asked, if I didn't commit detailed fraud?
man do you understand the difference between not providing details and deceiving details?

 

[FanZX]

you can see it

 

[FanZX]

The point is, I never cheated you, so why are you giving 1 star and asking for responsibility, isn't it ridiculous?
I just didn't include little details, you should ask before buying when you see the beginner 40/50 banner
So just admit that you are careless, I admit that I didn't provide detailed on my post writing but I provided detailed images

 

[BladerunnerQ]

Let’s make this simple, did you or did you not provide adequate details regarding the guaranteed banner?

 

[BladerunnerQ]

The point is, I never cheated you, so why are you giving 1 star and asking for responsibility, isn't it ridiculous?
I just didn't include little details, you should ask before buying when you see the beginner 40/50 banner
So just admit that you are careless, I admit that I didn't provide detailed on my post writing but I provided detailed images

“I admit that I didn't provide detailed on my post writing but I provided detailed images”

This is all I needed to see, it took us this long for you to understand what I was trying to say! Your photos just showed 40/50 nothing else..

 

[FanZX]

Let’s make this simple, did you or did you not provide adequate details regarding the guaranteed banner?

I have a beginner banner photo 40/50 if you are unsure about the details why not ask isn't it simpler?

 

[BladerunnerQ]

I have a beginner banner photo 40/50 if you are unsure about the details why not ask isn't it simpler?

Why not just post on the listing? Would be better for buyer and seller? Anyways no one will win in this, I am satified that you realize you didn’t post enough details, and yes now I will be more carefully and ask for more details when dealing on here, this was one of the first of this case for me on the nice website.

 

[FanZX]

When you make a mistake because you bought it carelessly then why do you have so many complaints?