Stolen Account-

[thesungod]

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DISPUTE Information
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Link to thread (URL, Epicnpc thread):https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/fgo...-the-details-in-the-post.2656850/post-9327954
Approximate value of item/service: $450 USD
Date the problem began:11/09/23
Show proof of payment (screenshot):

Describe the problem:
Was selling the account yesterday when the person who was supposed to be buying it used a fake MM site and stole account from me.


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[Makima San]

I can confirm that this account belong to @thesungod and bought it from me , and there is 2 possibilities here .
1- Veyshnoria is the scammer
2- Bought from the scammer
in all cases he should return the account

 

[Makima San]

I did some digging and find out from where he bought it ( if he indeed bought it from this know scammer ) .

 

[Makima San]

@Veyshnoria do the good thing and give back the stolen account to sungod . Thank you .
If mods need any question , other proof i'm ready . The case here is solid and i'm preparing for it

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

So you're blaming me for getting scammed, I'm just promoting his account, and I haven't even made a transaction on that account.

 

[Makima San]

So you're blaming me for getting scammed, I'm just promoting his account, and I haven't even made a transaction on that account.

promoting a scammer ?? nice try . you could have been the real scammer , you could have been his partner . Anyway return the account . Thank you ...

 

[Veyshnoria]

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Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

@Veyshnoria do the good thing and give back the stolen account to sungod . Thank you .
If mods need any question , other proof i'm ready . The case here is solid and i'm preparing for it

I only do it on Epicnpc, when I sell an account I usually give them the option... between using Epicnpc MM or leaving first and I never use any other App other than Discord.

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

promoting a scammer ?? nice try . you could have been the real scammer , you could have been his partner . Anyway return the account . Thank you ...

I didn't even know that he was a scammer, you keep blaming me because I was just doing a promotion for him.

 

[Veyshnoria]

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Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

promoting a scammer ?? nice try . you could have been the real scammer , you could have been his partner . Anyway return the account . Thank you ...

You can see all my posts, I only use Discord to reply to messages faster, the rest I give 2 options when making a transaction.

 

[Makima San]

I only do it on Epicnpc, when I sell an account I usually give them the option... between using Epicnpc MM or leaving first and I never use any other App other than Discord.

Again know you have a stolen account and you admitted you helping a scammer promoting his scammed accounts here . give the account back we done here .
i will let mod handle this from here

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

and also I just found out about this problem, it's like I'm being scapegoated.

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

Again know you have a stolen account and you admitted you helping a scammer promoting his scammed accounts here . give the account back we done here .
i will let mod handle this from here

I did help promote, but I don't own the account I just posted what she had... and I don't even know the original problem of how victims get scammed.

 

[Makima San]

i don't buy the promoting sh**t anyway know you got caught with proofs and you admitted that , either if you working with them . or they are your friends do the right thing and give the account back . since you selling it here you have access to the account or can get the code . so yeah give it back and let's finish this or wait a mod

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

I was also offered the account by him before, but I said that my budget is not enough.. therefore I can only offer promotional assistance

 

[Makima San]

I did help promote, but I don't own the account I just posted what she had... and I don't even know the original problem of how victims get scammed.

get the code from your friend and give it back . Period . you keep dragging this for long time now . it's a simple solution

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

oh god, how do I make you understand that I don't own the account how do I return the account to the victim even I don't have access to the account

 

[Makima San]

I was also offered the account by him before, but I said that my budget is not enough.. therefore I can only offer promotional assistance

tell him you found a buyer and take the code and give it back ( that's if you are not one of them scammers )

 

[Makima San]

oh god, how do I make you understand that I don't own the account how do I return the account to the victim even I don't have access to the account

so let's say a buyer want to buy the account . how would you give him the code ??????

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

that's all I talked to him about, he offered me the account and I told him how much the account cost, when he said it I said that my budget was not enough.

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

so let's say a buyer want to buy the account . how would you give him the code ??????

I'll let the owner know that the account is up for bid, I'll probably buy it and sell it again.

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

that's all I talked to him about, he offered me the account and I told him how much the account cost, when he said it I said that my budget was not enough.

before he insisted on telling me to buy the account at a lower price, but I didn't reply to the message because I knew my budget wasn't enough.

 

[Veyshnoria]

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Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

I only send messages through discord or Epicnpc, and never use other apps like Facebook and Instagram.

 

[Makima San]

Hey you know that you are selling the account on site without having access to it ? this is second crime you did today . so if a client tried to buy you would end up scamming him since you don't have the code in your hand ? selling accounts that you don't have acceess too ?? this is if we trust you you are not with them

 

[Veyshnoria]

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Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

You can see my posts all the ones I described always use Discord to talk, and no other apps.

 

[Makima San]

I only send messages through discord or Epicnpc, and never use other apps like Facebook and Instagram.

you got no proof to that , i'm sure you all work together

 

[Makima San]

Hrere is the solution tell your friend you got a buyer and need the code , send the sh///it to my client and let's close this mess

 

[Makima San]

or wait for the ban from mod

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

Hey you know that you are selling the account on site without having access to it ? this is second crime you did today . so if a client tried to buy you would end up scamming him since you don't have the code in your hand ? selling accounts that you don't have acceess too ?? this is if we trust you you are not with them

when the buyer wants to buy the account, usually I will ask them for time for myself to buy the account... so that way I have access, but if the buyer does agree that he will buy the account, then I will buy it from local

 

[Makima San]

@EpicNPC Mod @Kai

 

[Makima San]

when the buyer wants to buy the account, usually I will ask them for time for myself to buy the account... so that way I have access, but if the buyer does agree that he will buy the account, then I will buy it from local

He is buying **** , give him his account back . you slow af

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

I've given as detailed an explanation as possible, but this is your choice... you didn't even give me a chance to defend myself... it's like I'm being blamed when I'm not the one doing the scamming.

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

He is buying **** , give him his account back . you slow af

You can contact the account owner directly and ask, why turn on me just because I'm promoting the account and I don't even know how the scam works.

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

this is like bad luck for me, and how can the buyer get scammed where he got scammed and why he didn't use MM Epicnpc

 

[Makima San]

I'm done here wait for admins to see this .
selling stolen account ( there is high chance he works with them )
selling account that you don't even have access or code ( that's what he said )
2 crimes so yeah let's wait

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

when the buyer wants to buy the account, usually I will ask them for time for myself to buy the account... so that way I have access, but if the buyer does agree that he will buy the account, then I will buy it from local

It seems you didn't read what I said, that I will buy it from local if indeed the Epicnpc buyer intends to buy it, before he buys it the account is already mine.. and I just sell it to the Epicnpc buyer.

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

You said I'm just extending time, here I'm explaining in detail so that there is no misunderstanding... I'm not in cahoots with them, I didn't know they were a conspiracy before either.

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

I've been in Epicnpc since last year, and do transactions through MM or sometimes don't use it because it's the buyer's wish, but I always hold my principles and it's the buyer's trust, I won't do stupid scams just to ruin my reputation in Epicnpc that I've built with difficulty.

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

thank you in advance, and now just waiting for Epicnpc's decision. I hope they can understand everything I said

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

Even before I offered the account to him, it would look so stupid how you would cheat someone who already has a high reputation.

If I really intended to scam I wouldn't offer the account to a person with a high reputation on Epicnpc.

 

[Veyshnoria]

Banned - Evading negative feedback - Nuan

I didn't know what the problem was before, and when the report came I was immediately cornered and blamed.

 

[Makima San]

Even before I offered the account to him, it would look so stupid how you would cheat someone who already has a high reputation.

If I really intended to scam I wouldn't offer the account to a person with a high reputation on Epicnpc.

that has nothing to do with this situation , anyway wait admins/mod and they will tell us what to do

 

[Makima San]

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after hours of searching i can say that @Veyshnoria doesn't work with scammer so he is clear from that .
I hope this will teach you a lesson , never trust some random guy on discord and try to profit of something you not sure where did it come from .
now my client will close the discpute and ask mods to remove the warning

 

[Kai]

@Veyshnoria I removed your TWC and messaged you about the rules regarding the services you were providing, please take a look and make sure you are fully aware going forward.

@thesungod I'm very sorry for your loss, in the future I would recommend staying on EpicNPC, or using an MM service to protect yourself. For more information on how to stay safe while trading, please give this a read: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/safe-trading-practices.1840043/

@Makima San Thank you for spear heading this matter.

Keep in mind, EpicNPC no longer reviews disputes if one of these three Trade Guardian options is not used. There will be 2 types of disputes that can be opened.

1. Trade Guardian dispute - If TG was used, we will fully investigate as normal.
2. Scam Review - If TG was not used, only an account review will be conducted on the accused's account. We will check if they're a known scammer, previously banned member or have been accused of scams on other sites, ect… They will then either be banned or not. An investigation into the dispute will not be conducted.

Moving this thread to off-site scammers.