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Dispute Type
Scam Accusation
Country
United States
Multiple Accounts
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Purchase Date:6/15/18
Date the problem begain:6/15/18
Method of Contact Used (chat progam):EpicNPC
Your Instant Messenger ID:
Instant Messenger username of the person you are accusing: [not the display name, must be real username]

Other information: While i did get the account i clearly lost access, ive already put a positive review on sellers profile then hours later i lost access to the account.
As the seller states, i will not get a refund and has no control.

DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/131...d-Accounts-Skull-Trooper-Red-Knight-amp-more!
Approximate value of property: $35.00 USD + 2.99 paypal fee
Was Trade Guardian used? If so, what is the TG ID# No (even if it was used this could still happen) and the seller was very asking to use it, even so this would have still happened.

What is the dispute about?
Lost access to the account hours after buying, played on it for abit aswell, came on later and the password was changed, The seller does not provide email to the accounts he sells. Contacted Epic games to try and get account back and only got automated responses. But then i contacted the email of the account, the owner of the account responded and noted the account was hacked and i have been scammed, he believes the person selling is selling hacked accounts, at this point i decided to file on this fourm.
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Proof
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You MUST provide proof or your claim will not be valid

Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):
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Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible):
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Other proof:
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Account Recalls
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Most account recalls have little proof. To get more evidence, please open a support ticket to attempt to recover the account BEFORE opening a dispute thread.

Did the seller say he is the original owner? (provide proof) Never mentioned.
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc) I asked if it came with epic games account and he said yes but no email access (and yes it seems like a obvious scam cause whoever has the email access can just fish it back) Once bought i got the email and password to the epic account.
How long did you have the account before it was recalled? 9 hours then lost the account and contacted epic to see if they could get the account back, No response for 40 hours still going.
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
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(you can use the HIDE tag so the images are not publicly available to everyone)
 
Waiting for [MENTION=753585]Grabben[/MENTION] awnser
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1322054-Sellar-Grabben/page2?highlight=grabben
My Terms Of Service in the shop he bought my account from states that we are not responsible for the account after purchase,

And I told him that the account was without email access.
 
Let me guess they are *******? No reason an account would be taken back in hours. You are responsible for what you sell
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1322054-Sellar-Grabben/page2?highlight=grabben
I bought the account from a friend and I didn't get email access.

He didn't tell me how he got it and he sold it to me for cheap so I thought why not.
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1322054-Sellar-Grabben/page2?highlight=grabben
I also don't do refunds.

It says in the thread aswell.
 
Hello,
As doomedtofail stated before, sellers are responsible for what they sell.
Selling and recalling the account is of course not allowed.
Your TOS are not valid for that reason.

Refund or remplacement have to be provided within 48h.
If not, ban will be issued.
 
i just checked a random thread of yours and it doesn't say anywhere that you don't offer refunds.

https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1315356-Selling-Stacked-Red-Knight-1100-Wins-4-49-KD


You owe a refund to the victim unless you agreed with the buyer BEFORE HE SENT YOU MONEY that you will not refund under any circumstances and you have a proof showing that he agreed.

I know you from my middleman trades with you, you bought and sold multiple accounts without email access and those are high risk, however you didn't only buy them but you also agreed to resell them for a profit, while not understanding that you will be put at fire since if the very first owner recalls it, you are still responsible for a refund to the buyer that buys it off you later.

THE IRONY BELOW:

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WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
Please wait for @EpicNPC rulling clarification.

[HIDE=9999] @EpicNPC your mind ?

Also, the user @Grabben is involved in black-hat communauty.
His discord server is full of ******* accounts / unverified hacked fortinite account
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1322570-Reported-Post-by-Nibsz

Based on provided evidences, I think he sold a ******* account.

Also, I think that Seller is fully responsible about what he sell.
For me, if no refund provided then it's a scam.
Can you confirm my rulling ?
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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1322054-Sellar-Grabben/page2?highlight=grabben
kinda funny he stated in the report that he knew he wasn't getting a refund and that i have no control

and you all still be asking about ''hey was it clear he wasn't getting a refund''

> mentioned in thread
> told him
> he knew it
 
[HIDE=300]I'd simply use the "Right to know Methods" rule that we have to find out how he acquired the account to begin with if Mike doesn't declare that it was infact a ******* account to begin with.[/HIDE]
 
[HIDE=345]No email access and no coverage after sale. Recalled with in a few hours and its a fortnite account. They are worse then lol accounts when it comes to security currently. Many of the accounts for sale in that section are ******* currently.[/HIDE]
 
[HIDE=99999]As with all other sellers who sell ******* accounts, you need to ban him. It's either save the pain and ban him now (after he refunds), or let others feel the pain and ban him later. The former is a better option. We should also put some more focus into fortnite as a lot of scammers will be taking advantage of the current low security of this marketplace.[/HIDE]
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1322054-Sellar-Grabben/page2?highlight=grabben
so,

has anyone decided what to do?

like y'all are still posting hidden content like 24/7
 
Grabben we do not honor TOS like yours. They create a loophole to scam, so we do not honor them. A TOS like yours protect sellers that sell stolen items. We will not allow this. We reserve the right to invalidate anyone TOS and yours is invalid.

Secondly, the only way to currently change a Fortnite email is to contact support. Before you sell the account, you should do this and give the buyer the new email account. If you can't do this, you are NOT allowed to sell these accounts here as they can't be secured.

Full refund must be issued or ban will be given in 24 hrs. Fornite thread and upgrades have been removed until refund is confirmed.
 
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