Scammed - Power8gold - False Claims Of Clean Accounts

Brail · Aug 4, 2012

First. I've never botted or hacked a single day in my life.

Moving on, I purchased (2) SOR accounts from power8gold. He says these are clean without previous issues.
Okay, cool. Cheap & free level 80 toons + cataclysm.

12 Hours later the original accounts I bought from him are banned, due to previous warnings of economy exploitation.
Remember, I dont bot or hack or anything though.

I contact him on skype he hands over another two to replace them.
Clearly he knew they weren't all clean accounts like he claims.

So I say cool, he solved his problem when he knew he was in the wrong.

12 Hours later.

All five of my accounts are banned, a total of 11 cataclysm accounts & about 20+ level 85s all banned.

Why?

My IP was connected to the banned accounts and because I traded something from my main account to one of the SOR accounts he gave me.
I contact Blizzard & they said one of the SORs had multiple previous warnings of scam attempts and economy exploitation.
Any large trade will trigger it and with the amount of accounts I have banned they aren't willing to reverse, unlock, unban NONE of them.
Due to the previous accounts history being bad (the sor) it was "like a mini ban wave" (the account rep said) and it makes all my accounts are "dirty".
Why? Due to my IP accessing them all.

All due to one SOR having a previous issue.

And this isn't because I don't know how to work SORs, I've purchased SORs from Vivina on several occasions. Never had one problem with Vivinas accounts.

Let me know what proof & screen shots you would like & I will upload them.

jdj589 · Aug 4, 2012

My account was just banned that i bought from Power8gold too. It had 87k g on it and a lvl 84, he refuses to give me full compensation he just offered me a new SoR, which is bull****.

-RJ- · Aug 4, 2012

Yes provide all proof you can. Makes it easier on the mods/Mike to review the case.

Rmysidia · Aug 4, 2012

Can you post the time of day that you contacted him? The real one is always online Later at night like 8pm+ EST. I always buy my game time from Bruce (power8gold) and I have had no problems with RAF mounts or game time. But this time I contacted him earlier in the day like 2pm'ish in the afternoon and it was not him I was speaking with, it was a really stupid and rude person.

Cow King · Aug 4, 2012

I too was given a SoR account from power8gold and it was instantly perma-banned for economic exploitation upon being merged into a battle.net account. I know his "disclaimer" prevents him from giving refunds, but it should definitely NOT protect him from negative feedbacks.

I archived the photo of the email received because I didn't care too much for a 10.00 SoR account, but I've seen close to atleast 50 people having problems with these SoR accounts being banned/permabanned. I re-uploaded it.

Brail · Aug 4, 2012

Ill upload all my pictures when I get home from work.

I know I've lost over 3m gold easily, over $120 in paid gaming time, not to mention the cost spent on the SORs and 9 accounts of legit license I paid for myself. 3 TCG mounts, two toons used and 1 unused. My main account which has been my first account since I started playing wow 5 years ago.

The loss is incredible due to his bad accounts he is selling.

jdj589 · Aug 4, 2012

the account had a lvl 84 hunter on that i lvled and i had 87k gold on it that i earned, he refuses to give me anything for it because of his "disclamer" but just because that doesnt mean that he should be aloud to **** people over like this he is scamming people and just posting on his thread that he can, doesnt make much sense. I want some sort of compensation from the account and my 2months of raf time and my 87k gold, it is his fault he just doesnt care about anyone.

gman · Aug 4, 2012

Notified.

Brail · Aug 4, 2012

Heres what I believe you need for images.

[images removed by EpicNPC as they contained sensitive info]

power8gold · Aug 4, 2012

trade dispute

Hello everyone, this is bruce from power8gold. Here are what I have to say about the disputes.

First of all, a few facts about unmerged account. As I said in my thread, they are accounts have been frozen since 2009 or earlier, which made it qualified for it to get lvl 80, cata, etc by using SOR.
I’m just a reseller, I buy these accounts in bunch and then sell. When I bought, I only got the username and pw, (and as I said in thread, I can only give them when u buy from me). I don’t know how my supplier got these accounts. But when I bought accounts, I log in b.net and check every accounts payment history(to see if they are clean), and change password, so when u merged, from my side, I don’t hold anything else, or does my supplier.
So it is clear, the accounts got original name, last name, and other info, that’s the deal we made when u buy from me, or all other sellers.

So the ban could happen, due to the name conflict, or gold trading, or selling items in game, or duplicate TCG mounts or abuse of economy( please notify this, buying account itself is a violation of blizzard rules) or other things,.
Then the disclaimer was necessary, I can’t promise u will get a life-long secure when u bought the accounts from me.

If unluckily, ban happened, I can’t offer the original name and pw, (no one can), so I told client to unban it. And the following are the dispute with the 2 clients-Brail and jdj589.
With the skype name T Mill(Brail),Brail contacted me for 2 unmerged accounts, we made a deal, I sold him two accounts, I walked him through the process of SOR, and it went ok, 1 day later, he came back claiming his accounts got banned, I asked him to call Blizzard and unban them(which is jdj589 do, and he got his account back), he refused to try at first, and later ask for compensation, ok…fine, I can give, it was really bad luck for him, so I did as he asked, I offered him 2 new accounts, and ask him to try again to get them back, he didn’t.
But, if he tried, he should at least know why it got ban, and what he can do to avoid this. He got 2 more accounts, and later today, he opened this thread, claiming I scammed him and his accounts got banned. But I have to say, no pure player would hold 11 accounts and buying more for play. As we all know, bot(don’t know if that’s what he doing) may lead to accounts ban, so does holding multiple accounts for one IP.
So what else can I do? Even if I offer him accounts again and again, it still could happen. He hold 11 accounts as he said, please just think about it.

As about jdj589, he is a reseller, we made a deal he buy accounts from me and then he sell it in game, according to himself, he can sell 5 accounts each day. How? By selling it in game.(does this has risk? We all know about it.)
About the account he bought, he said he got banned earlier, I told him to unban it by making ticket, the ban should have a reason, he called blizzard and problem solved, he got the accounts back. 3 days later, unluckily, his account got locked again, and he claim there is 87k gold in the accounts. And I should give him compensation. As I told him, if the account was locked before, why would he still hold so much gold in this account, especially when he selling it in game…
This is not my fault, I told him I’m sorry for his loss, as we had good cooperation before, I could give him a new account, then he asked more, plus 1 month game time+ 1 raf mount, I said, ok, I currently running out of stock( as u can see, I haven’t updated my unmerged accounts for 3 days, that’s because of this), when I got stock again, I will give him a new one, and 1 month RAF game time. He insisted I gave him today, which is something I cant do, as I said, I got no stock left, restocking may take a few days, then he insisted today, and opened the thread.

I really tired of explaining with him now, talk wouldn’t help, as about Brail, I replaced him with 2 new accounts and he still got caught, about jdj589, I offered him a new account later this week he is not satisfied that much.
This is not the first day I sell, or the first account I sold out, ban could happen due to IP, in game activities or a lot of other things. And the sale goes well, the lock is of slim opportunity if u follow the rules of blizzard well.
Oh, one more thing, the RAF game time or mount, has a small risk of being removed too, no ban risk, that’s why it is so cheap.
I think I made the fact clear now, if u need any chat log about the issue, let me know I will upload them. Thanks
Regards

bruce

Sky~ · Aug 4, 2012

Blizzard has started locking newly merged accounts. All you have to do to unlock them is submit an ID. I contacted Blizzard because one of my accounts was banned for gold selling (even though I didn't). They simply said to submit the TOU and an ID to unlock it. I know its a headache, but its the nature of unmerged accounts. I use them in my premade service so I know all about them.

doomedtofail · Aug 4, 2012

I have had this same issue a while back with him. He refused my refund as well. And he was not pleasant about it one bit. Told me hes not liable because he'd be losing money on it so it was okay I lost. He eventually did refund me after getting Sky involved. He gave me more attitude for calling him a scammer for not standing by his sales "because he doesnt have to because of his disclaimer".

RP_Jekyll · Aug 5, 2012

Sky~ said:
Blizzard has started locking newly merged accounts. All you have to do to unlock them is submit an ID. I contacted Blizzard because one of my accounts was banned for gold selling (even though I didn't). They simply said to submit the TOU and an ID to unlock it. I know its a headache, but its the nature of unmerged accounts. I use them in my premade service so I know all about them.

I have had a few BANNED, unbanned with bnet ID, only to be banned yet again a few days later. Now they are asking for the WOW OO ID

- - - Updated - - -

Cow King said:
I too was given a SoR account from power8gold and it was instantly perma-banned for economic exploitation upon being merged into a battle.net account. I know his "disclaimer" prevents him from giving refunds, but it should definitely NOT protect him from negative feedbacks.

I archived the photo of the email received because I didn't care too much for a 10.00 SoR account, but I've seen close to atleast 50 people having problems with these SoR accounts being banned/permabanned. I re-uploaded it.

Cow, I made compensation for that account you have listed above, I gave you your trade back, so power would not owe you anything for that.

power8gold · Aug 5, 2012

About Cow King’s issue, as I recalled, we never had any business before, u bought the account indirectly, and when I heard the account banned, I offered a new one as compensation. It wouldn’t of help for you putting something here. And I checked your replied thread, here is what u got from other seller.

UNmerged WoW Account said:
sorry you never bought any wow accs off me

" im not responsible for what you do or have done to it after sold and merged.my disclaimmer listed clearly.
All my accs are confirmed that works fine and be eligible for SOR before sale,Once you merged the account, i dont offer anykind of payment Refund/Chargeback/Dispute/Unauthorized Claim under any circumstance! I will not be responsible for acc lock or banfor any reason anytime! i dont offer any kind of compensation !"

- - - Updated - - -

thanks for heading up this and good luck for you, i dont really know what will go on with anyone's wow acc after merged and so on.as so far have sold more than 1500 wow accs,99.99% are all good,a few guys got banned for various reasons,but most of them got called to blizzard support and got unbanned except some one did gold trading or gold farming/boting.

UNmerged WoW Account said:
you got the notifictaion from blizzard after you merged my wow acc,god knows what you have done to it, im not responsible for what you do or have done to it after sold and merged.my disclaimmer listed clearly.
All my accs are confirmed that works fine and be eligible for SOR before sale,Once you merged the account, i dont offer any
kind of payment Refund/Chargeback/Dispute/Unauthorized Claim under any circumstance! I will not be responsible for acc lock
or banfor any reason anytime! i dont offer any kind of compensation !

this is what other seller reply, as u can see, the issue happens everywhere, so why should I hold responsibility?

doomedtofail · Aug 5, 2012

Maybe the SOR is getting too abused and they are cracking down on it

jdj589 · Aug 5, 2012

First off, i have NEVER sold a sor account ingame, I have sold them with real money. I decided to buy one for my self and bruce ****ed me over, i feel that i deserve full compensation for my account and my gold, as my acc was locked until i can get the unmerged ID, which is not my fault, so it comes down onto the buyer i have all my proof of how its not my fault the acc wasnt banned it was locked, so bruce your claim makes NO SENSE!!!!!! I want some sort of compensation because i have put around 100$ into this account and guess what is all gone because bruce makes false claims about clean accounts.

- - - Updated - - -

I would like to see some proof of power8gold's accusing me of selling SoR's in-game because thats complete bull**** he is making that up i can screenshot my paypal transactions and prove i was selling them threw the site, I would never sell a outofgame item in-game Bruce is a complete liar, he accused me of that so he would get out of having to compensate me which is bull****. This guy is bad he doesn't care about anyone besides him self, tried talking it over to him on skype but he doesn't reply. so I'm done i expect him to have to compensate us some way because his "disclaimer" is bull that shouldn't be aloud its just something that says he can scam people and get away with it

Cow King · Aug 5, 2012

RP_Jekyll said:
I have had a few BANNED, unbanned with bnet ID, only to be banned yet again a few days later. Now they are asking for the WOW OO ID

- - - Updated - - -

Cow, I made compensation for that account you have listed above, I gave you your trade back, so power would not owe you anything for that.

Wasn't asking for compensation of any kind. Was just putting in my input about the SoR accounts.

power8gold · Aug 5, 2012

Cow King said:
Wasn't asking for compensation of any kind. Was just putting in my input about the SoR accounts.

then you should change your sentence"I too was given a SoR account from power8gold and it was instantly perma-banned for economic exploitation upon being merged into a battle.net account. I know his "disclaimer" prevents him from giving refunds, but it should definitely NOT protect him from negative feedbacks."
you have never dealed with me before or ever, so you dont decide which feedback i should get, ty

Rafflez · Aug 5, 2012

I've used power8 for MANY things including selling RAF mounts ingame. I have never had any issues hes a good guy. Sadly this risk does come with buying a SOR account and you cant blame it on these guys. they have warrantys for a reason. It sucks you bought it and it was banned upon merge but you obviously musta merged it to your original account NOT a newly created battle.net cause ive been working with power and Sally and Even Vivan for months now. ive also sold well over 30 raf mounts bought from power and Sally n no issues

power8gold · Aug 5, 2012

jdj589 said:
First off, i have NEVER sold a sor account ingame, I have sold them with real money. I decided to buy one for my self and bruce ****ed me over, i feel that i deserve full compensation for my account and my gold, as my acc was locked until i can get the unmerged ID, which is not my fault, so it comes down onto the buyer i have all my proof of how its not my fault the acc wasnt banned it was locked, so bruce your claim makes NO SENSE!!!!!! I want some sort of compensation because i have put around 100$ into this account and guess what is all gone because bruce makes false claims about clean accounts.

- - - Updated - - -

I would like to see some proof of power8gold's accusing me of selling SoR's in-game because thats complete bull**** he is making that up i can screenshot my paypal transactions and prove i was selling them threw the site, I would never sell a outofgame item in-game Bruce is a complete liar, he accused me of that so he would get out of having to compensate me which is bull****. This guy is bad he doesn't care about anyone besides him self, tried talking it over to him on skype but he doesn't reply. so I'm done i expect him to have to compensate us some way because his "disclaimer" is bull that shouldn't be aloud its just something that says he can scam people and get away with it

As I reviewed our chat log again, carefully, this is what happened about your account:
After blizzard scanned your pc, the result is, as you said” I’ve just been selling ingame mounts nothing else , no reason to be banned”, which conflicts with your claim of “I would never sell a out of game item in-game”, and u claimed u sell the accounts somewhere else, which is, if u have to judge, a violation of economy. That’s what happened on all WOW-related site, forums, and that’s exactly what you are doing.

Again, the reason of ban is the name issue, which, as sky(the moderator) said” All you have to do to unlock them is submit an ID. I contacted Blizzard because one of my accounts was banned for gold selling (even though I didn't). They simply said to submit the TOU and an ID to unlock it. I know its a headache, but its the nature of unmerged accounts.”, it’s an awkward fact about all unmerged accounts. Which makes the “false claims of clean accounts” nonsense. (if it’s not clean, all accounts are the same).

No matter I reply here, or your thread, u got my reply, this is even better for you, all you want is to let everyone know I scammed you, which I haven’t, all I want is the withdraw of your false judgments.

chat history:

Bunny · Aug 5, 2012

I've used power8gold on many occasions as well. I haven't had a issue thus far and Bruce is a really nice guy!

What I personally believe is that Blizzard is catching on with this whole SoR to obtain free Cataclysm, Wotlk etc(gimping their own expansion CD-key sales). I'm sure their purpose was to bring back WoW players that have quit, increasing their revenue with the return of these players. The whole SoRing characters doesn't directly increases their revenue I guess, especially with the RAF Gametime, as well as decreasing sales on the CD-keys.

I personally no longer buy expansion CD-keys as I can simply SoR an account to Cata. Though, since Blizzard is catching on, I've since purchased a few sets of expansion CD-keys from SwTCH and moved my characters to the legit, non-SOR account. Just as a precaution, in case it gets locked.

Like D0ntxbotherme mentioned, there is always a risk involved. Though this risk can be minimized with what you call a 'clean' account, I'm not entirely sure if its possible to even check the history of these accounts as they are unmerged, do enlighten me if they can actually be checked. These accounts came from gold-sellers. If you played back then, the whole gold-sellers spamming trade chat and even personally whispering each individual on the server with some kind of bot, it was a lot more rampant than it is right now. The moment you buy an SoR account, you should be prepared to receive an account that may have been used to :

1. Spam trade channels/whispers with gold ads.
2. Used as a gold mule to deliver gold.
3. A gold farmer's character.
4. A botter's character.

They are why these accounts even existed in the first place. Why do they stop using them and leave the accounts dormant? Perhaps they received a suspension? Or they simply don't want to raise red flags? They then moved on to other accounts. I'm sure all of the unmerged account's sellers know these as well, hence the disclaimer. As to whether you're entitled to compensation, Mike is the ultimate decision maker and we'll leave it up to him. Just wanted to provide a better perspective here.

jdj589 · Aug 5, 2012

power8gold said:
As I reviewed our chat log again, carefully, this is what happened about your account:
After blizzard scanned your pc, the result is, as you said” I’ve just been selling ingame mounts nothing else , no reason to be banned”, which conflicts with your claim of “I would never sell a out of game item in-game”, and u claimed u sell the accounts somewhere else, which is, if u have to judge, a violation of economy. That’s what happened on all WOW-related site, forums, and that’s exactly what you are doing.

Again, the reason of ban is the name issue, which, as sky(the moderator) said” All you have to do to unlock them is submit an ID. I contacted Blizzard because one of my accounts was banned for gold selling (even though I didn't). They simply said to submit the TOU and an ID to unlock it. I know its a headache, but its the nature of unmerged accounts.”, it’s an awkward fact about all unmerged accounts. Which makes the “false claims of clean accounts” nonsense. (if it’s not clean, all accounts are the same).

No matter I reply here, or your thread, u got my reply, this is even better for you, all you want is to let everyone know I scammed you, which I haven’t, all I want is the withdraw of your false judgments.

chat history:

Ive been selling ingame mounts, you dumbass that means ive been selling mounts such as Mechano hog, vial of sands. etc. Nothing else. Get your **** straight and stop accusing me of stuff you are making up.

- - - Updated - - -

INGAME mounts not OUTGAME mounts and that is aloud you can sell any item you can put in a trade window, therefore i have done nothing to get banned.

Sky~ · Aug 5, 2012

As I said before, Blizzard starting locking these accounts until you send in an ID. Its just the nature of unmerged accounts as of lately. Your screen cap above shows the unauthorized access. 90% of newly merged accounts are flagged for ID's lately. Just send in your ID and unlock it.

jdj589 · Aug 5, 2012

Sky~ said:
As I said before, Blizzard starting locking these accounts until you send in an ID. Its just the nature of unmerged accounts as of lately. Your screen cap above shows the unauthorized access. 90% of newly merged accounts are flagged for ID's lately. Just send in your ID and unlock it.

I already sent in my ID to get it unlocked the first time, and it was unlocked. the secound time which is now they say I need to send in the OO of the Wow account before it was unmerged ID which is impossible for me to do.

Brail · Aug 5, 2012

Power8 dont try falsify our conversation, I have the proof & posted.

You told me to get it unbanned, I told you I tried twice.
Dont try to say I didn't wanna try. Your lying.

I asked you if it was gonna get banned again.
You said no, and it did. You lied again. I would of took my payment back.
You never offered me a refund, instead compensation.

You told me YOUR accounts were safe when I told you I normally buy from Viva & have never had an issue.
You also matched her price because you wanted my business.

After the initial banning you told me there is NO REASON they will be banned.
They were banned however and you lied again.

Do not come in and try to water down me owning multiple WoW accounts to try to make it seem like I'm participating in alternative actions such as botting.
The average WoW players own a minumum of two game accounts. My son plays as well as my girlfriend. 5 Accounts split amongst three people is not out of hand.

So your attempt to dilute the fact that accounts got banned after asking if yours were safe, asking if they would be banned again, is feeble.
I've never had any from Viva banned or even questioned and I've done them the same method. The correct way.

You putting up a disclaimer then stating hey I have a disclaimer, Im not promising these accounts are any good is the same as me paying you and saying hey Paypal doesnt support virtual trades so there is a chance that your money may not stay there. Your inidirectly saying I'm selling you something that is gonna end up loss, EVERYONE knows people buy SORs with intentions on keeping the account.

No one hands out free money, no one says hey let me give him this money on a product I KNOW will be gone.

It was also within 12 hours the first ban happened, and another 12 hours the second one.
So dont say it was multiple days later or anything else along the lines.

Also for everyone coming in here stating you have done business with him before, Im sure you have.
That however has NO INFLUENCE nor change on what has occured in my business transaction with him.

You cant say Billy has always paid me back on time, then when Billy robs Martha for money its okay because Billy always paid you back on time.
The world doesn't work like that.

Coming into this thread with the defense of hey "im not responsible" for a product your selling, advertising as safe, displaying as safe & even communicating as safe by stating they wont be banned is admitting that you knew the accounts were dirty before hand. You also attempting to put the blame off on someone else such as your distributor is irrelevant to this, I did business with YOU. Not your supplier.

When you food from the grocery store & its expired, you take it back.
You dont contact the company who made it.

The way your defending yourself in this thread verses how you sell your product is false advertising.

Epic 1NPC · Aug 5, 2012

As I said in my thread, they are accounts have been frozen since 2009 or earlier, which made it qualified for it to get lvl 80, cata, etc by using SOR.

Your warranty is completely inadequate. You cannot sell accounts that are high risk unless you put in big bold letters "HIGH RISK - ACCOUNT WILL PROBABLY BE BANNED".

You are also telling the buyer in chat they are safe and clean, when they are clearly not. If I bought a car and the dealer said, the car was in a major car accident, but its running fine now, then it breaks down 1 mile down the road, the dealer is responsible.

You sold 29 accounts in the thread.

doomedtofail -1
jdj589 -1
Brail -2
cowking -1

5 accounts were banned out of 29. That's a 17% ban rate and these are the only ones who reported it, so it's probably much higher.

The fact is you KNEW early on that these accounts were being banned and you kept selling them so you're responsible for the bans.

power8gold Im going to ban you account in 24 hrs because to resolve this you'll have to pay Brail at least $1000 for all his lost accounts. Since I'm 99.9999% sure that won't happen, the ban will happen in 24 hrs. Or help Brail get all his accounts unbanned.

jdj589 · Aug 5, 2012

thank u epicnpc

ZeroSkillz2432 · Aug 5, 2012

Btw bro u seemed alrite to me but i guess proof is proof goodluck

Epic 1NPC · Aug 5, 2012

ZeroSkillz2432 post your own thread if you have a dispute with power8gold. Do not post it here.

This thread is for Brail. Unless you name is brail or power8gold, do not post here.

Brail · Aug 5, 2012

Thanks Epic.

The worse part of all this is my girlfriend lost her old school BG title warrior with a ton of vanity + her legendary rogue & my son ended up losing his priest which took him 3 months to hit level 85 on he was so proud of hitting max level.

Walking away from this situation with no compensation at all completely blows, having to tell people their property is loss because of misleading sales is horrible.

Ill be shelling out well over $100 of my pocket im sure to quickly replace my sons priest, let alone what it will cost to replace my gfs toons themselves, getting the vanity, old school bg titles & such will be impossible.

Disappointing.

I have attempted to contact Power8.

I have just messaged Power via skype to try to work out a form of compensation, I'd rather attempt to get some money to try to replace the accounts that aren't mine verses him just taking the ban because I doubt he is going to pay me what I am owed. (I agree with your rough estimate of my valued loss).

This is the message I sent via skype.

[2:18:57 PM] Epic responded to our thread, he valued my losses over $1000. Which honestly I feel are more due to everything on the account all the gold plus the simple fact of whos accounts were loss. However I know and Epic also said he doubts your going to pay me $1000. So would you like to work something out or are you just going to take your ban from the forums?

If there is any response or agreement made prior to the 24 hour window you have set Epic I will notify you.

Thank you again for addressing this situation.

jdj589 · Aug 5, 2012

Just wondering brail if you are able to contact power8gold, i msg'd him on aim and skype it said for aim that he was ignoring me and skype i just got no reply

power8gold · Aug 5, 2012

I’m disappointed and angry. That is an unfair judgment, I can’t and won’t take it.

As it was mentioned in the thread, they are unmerged accounts im able to give username and pw only. All of them are good accounts without any penalty, they all eligible for SOR. I don’t hold any responsibility after merged.

How many accounts I sold? Obviously not 29, ban rate was much much less than “17%, 5 out of 29”, this is completely an one-sided judgment lack of enough research.
As I explained in the earlier reply, I buy the accounts in bunch, so for Brail, if these accounts work else where, and he got 100% ban, whose responsibility is this? Why don’t u just say it’s 100% ban risk.
As for jdj589, I sold him more than one account, why don’t u count them in?
In fact, I sold more than one account to one of the moderators, if these accounts have problem, why would he buy again and again?
This is a completely false calculation.

As for You can’t judge I should be responsible for the accounts because they have ban risk. We all know EVERY account has a ban risk, only blizzard can do it and give u a reason after banned. This is the fact. I shouldn’t take the responsibility of the ban. Even I should, I should be responsible of the accounts I sold only. Just like you bought a car, when it got caught by polite, they give u a reason, also caught you another car, should your seller be responsible for your other car? According to your opinion, hmm, I should take care of not the car I sold, but also the products the whole family bought everywhere. But in your logic, I should hold a lifelong responsibility for the car I sell out no matter you follow the traffic rules or not.

Brail’s 2 accounts got banned, he didn’t unban it successfully, I already gave 2 new. jdj589 ‘s 1 account got banned, he unbanned it successfully, then banned again, then come to me without any respect but very rude, I was no problem to give him a new account as we had good cooperation before, but he wouldn’t take it and threatened me and rude at me to ask more I also impossible to give, English is not my first language, but I know what ”Mother ****, etc” means. Don’t say I don’t care about customers, i always do good to ppl who do good to me. Please think about it Mike, you were giving way too much punishment to a lifetime pro-seller based on lacking of too much evidence.

Of course, if you are too ego to admit the mistake you are making, what else can I say? It’s your forum, u can decide whatever u want. But, that’s what the deal we make when I send money to your account. And this is definitely not the service you provide for pro-seller.

and to jdj589, i will always ingore your message from now on, be nice to people, bacause your word makes who you are.

Thanks to those who gave fair views.

Sky~ · Aug 5, 2012

I have never heard of Blizzard banning accounts tied to another like Brail... To my knowledge its an account by account basis and regardless if you get one of your accounts banned, you don't get the other banned. I think the $1,000 judgement is a bit over the top as well... Someone who just joined last month and 1 feedback point causes all of this? I think you need to ask for each individual email. He showed none of his personal accounts being banned, only the unmerged accounts.

Brail · Aug 5, 2012

Sky that approach is the same reason why professional athletes stay out of jail when they break the law the same way an average joe does.

Just because he has a status doesnt give him immunity to the rules implied on this forum or in the nature of any trade.

I lost my accounts due to them all being connected to each other and items flowing between them and the SORs. I move a lot of items between characters, at any given time I have over 300 items+ on the auction house on any toon. Ask Zero about the rogue I traded him, the auction stays filled.

The accounts where all connected, they also stated that I was not the original owner of the WOW account and it penalized my whole account. Between these two yes ALL my accounts where banned. I attempted to get them unbanned.

I called Blizzard, they told me I had to dispute the bans via ticket on EVERY SINGLE account, then after doing so I had to call Blizzard again to verify who I was. Then I had to upload an ID to EVERY SINGLE account. Having to call Blizzard again they told me what the outcome was and with the size of the issue they weren't discussing it any further.

Just because YOU have never heard of an action happening doesn't mean thats the end all be all of the actions enforced on Blizzards behalf.

$1,000 is easily the value of my account.

I had over 3million gold stretched across toons on ONE realm alone. Here is some simple math for you.

3,000,000 / 1,000 = 3,000 x .50/k (being cheap just to make a point) = $1500

$1,500 alone off the gold on my account.

Just to be fair again Ill say the total cost of game keys are $50 each (even though they are more) JUST for the accounts on my main battle.net 50 x 4 = 200.

$1,750 off gold & key value alone.

Without my characters levels, amount of characters, quality of gear, and vanity worked into them.

$1,000 is being generous and nice about the situation, so how is that an over reaction? Just because accounts are being liquidated at extremely low prices doesn't mean thats the true value to an account.

Whos to say I would of ever sold my accounts?

The reaction my 5 year old son had to finally hitting level 85 after three months alone is worth more than $1,000.

My post count, and trade rep has nothing to do with what is fair & what isn't fair. Just because he has a 11/2 trade ratio on me with time of membership worked in how does that give him the right to over power what is fair?

My account is my account, be it purchased with new cd keys, traded, bought out right, scroll of ressurectioned, or anything else it is still my account. PERSONAL account at that.

I was wronged, period.
I still haven't recalled any payment method sent. (at this point it would be of no use anyways)

At the end of the day, $1,000 is more then fair. Is it reasonable? No. Because realistically he won't pay it. I contacted him to work something out, he ignored me. Has had no effort in contacting me what so ever to work anything out.

I'd settle for a drastic reduction in "value" to my accounts but I won't take chicken scratch pennies for it.

My status on these forums does not reflect on an equal level of fairness.

Sky~ · Aug 5, 2012

Nothing against you, but due to the sizable losses one could face I believe proof of all of this should be provided. All the screenshots you posted show 3 accounts being banned, with account names.

I just don't believe taking someones word on this issue is the best route. It goes against all Mike has stood for in the past. Ball is in your court, Mike.

You talk about sizable amounts of gold. What do you do with this gold? One simply doesn't stockpile millions of gold with no intentions of selling it...

You also sell in game mounts for real world cash, bannable by Blizzard: http://www.epicnpc.com/wow-items-go...-mount-deathcharger-mount-poseidus-mount.html

You do indeed commit bannable offenses on these accounts. I am not positive it can all be tied to power8gold. This is a grey area, I am not sure what the outcome will be, however since you are committing violations of the TOU, that could indeed be why your accounts are banned. I admit there have been a few, note that word, FEW bad eggs in unmerged accounts. I have went through hundreds easily 300+ from all these sellers, including power8gold and only 2 have had issues. This is pushing it in my eyes.

Brail also shares an ip match with 2 banned users, StaticX and YandR. Also shares ties to a ton of accounts on one ip he logged into the site from. This is just too fishy for me. Mike, please investigate the account further become you bring forth action against power8gold.

Brail · Aug 5, 2012

Tons of gold? We've been at a stand still on Cataclysm for well over a year.
There is no pit hole for gold to be spent in the game so having massive amounts of gold does not mean I am selling it.

Yes I do have mounts up for sale, why do you think I joined this community?
To explore the money making side of World of Warcraft.

Your attempting to defile my character for what reason?

If my IP matches anyones IP it is because of my firefox addon which mask my IP.
I do not login to any forum of any nature be it Mens Health, MGTOW, WoW, o r this forum.

I handle a lot of financial things on my laptop both personally and business related so yes I use a security measure.

If Epic would like to see I will unmask my IP and post in one thread so my IP can be checked to verify I am none of the above people.

I dont understand why your coming into this thread with no reason to attack me and try to belittle my status as a legit member of this forum

I have done no harm to you, I have done no harm to Power8, nor this community.

I completed a transaction, I came up on a very short end of the stick.

No where in this thread did you even see me ASK for compensation til after Epic posted his theory on what my loss value was.

So your theory of me coming in here trying to GAIN something, is completely fabricated & without warrant.

With all respect to your status on these forums, as a moderator, and a person possibly trying to simply seek the truth, I am insulted by your intentions & incorrect lobbies towards me.

Sky~ · Aug 5, 2012

Masking your ip is not allowed on this forum. It is a bannable offense. Unmask your ip please.

Its all a bit fishy to me, now you come out saying you block your ip address... Little known fact, scammers or previously banned members do this.

I am not belittling you, I am simply digging deeper into this situation as I believe it calls for it.

Brail · Aug 5, 2012

"If the shoe fits wear it" .... right?

I will speak directly to Epic as to why my IP is masked, when you handle over 220 peoples financial records let me know.
I am obligated to the highest security of their personal information, if this is a problem after speaking directly to EPIC I will only post from my desktop computer at home.

You can try to fit me for any clown suit you wish to, or attempt to pull me out of my character but it will not help.

You have turned this thread into your own personal battle ground for no apparent reason.

Again, I will speak directly to EPIC about why my IP is masked and about this situation.

I appreciate your concern for the community as a whole, but at this point in time I am no longer holding conversation with you due to it having no benefit in my claim.

Just so you know, everyone who isn't connected to the "in" crowd isn't a bad person.
Before judging a person because of how they appear try to get to know who they are.

Enjoy your evening.

Sky~ · Aug 5, 2012

Mike will tell you exactly as I just told you. I have nothing to gain from this. Simply attempting to unearth all of the facts before a quick and rash judgement is made.

This is directly involving your claim. I feel as you need more proof as to the nature of the banned accounts. I am a Moderator and that is my job. If you have a problem with it, this may not be the place for you. Rules are in place for EVERYONE to follow. Not just a select few.

My thoughts for Mike:
Why are you masking your IP?
Why are you linked to banned accounts?
Is there enough proof provided to justify the claim of all his accounts being banned?
Review his images and posts. Images shows closure for exploitative activity, transferring gold and items. He clearly stated he moves around a bunch of gold and items between the accounts.
This also was not an 'immediate' ban case as in the others.

Closing until an account review is completed.

Epic 1NPC · Aug 6, 2012

power8gold said:
All of them are good accounts without any penalty, they all eligible for SOR. I don’t hold any responsibility after merged.

As for You can’t judge I should be responsible for the accounts because they have ban risk. We all know EVERY account has a ban risk, only blizzard can do it and give u a reason after banned. This is the fact. I shouldn’t take the responsibility of the ban. Even I should, I should be responsible of the accounts I sold only. Just like you bought a car, when it got caught by polite, they give u a reason, also caught you another car, should your seller be responsible for your other car? According to your opinion, hmm, I should take care of not the car I sold, but also the products the whole family bought everywhere. But in your logic, I should hold a lifelong responsibility for the car I sell out no matter you follow the traffic rules or not.

5 different people have posted here saying they bought a SOR account from you and it was banned within a very short period of time, so they are not "good accounts". Your analogy is also wrong. A perfect example is the oil spill in the Gulf 2 years ago. Is the oil company only responsible for the damage to their property? No, they are responsible for all the destruction their mistake caused.

The account you sold ended up banning multiple other accounts. Had he not bought the account from you, his accounts would not have been banned. So it was your account that caused the problem.

I went through all 28 pages of your thread power8gold and it seems only 2 people had any issues, not including the recent disputes that were opened. So it does appear that for the most part the accounts were good, until recently.

I'm going to change the $1000, as that was just a random number I pulled. In Brail's screenshots he stated "I value my lose at about $350-400". So we'll do $350.

-----------------------------
Now as far as Brail goes, proxies/VPSs are not allow and are it's a bannable offense. If you have critical info on your computer and have to use a proxy, you will be banned. So you will have to turn it off if you are coming here. Please do that and make another post in this thread so I can check your IP.

Brail post screenshots of the full email and BLizzard tickets showing why the accounts were banned and that Blizzard will not be unbanning them.

Epic 1NPC · Aug 6, 2012

and to jdj589, i will always ingore your message from now on, be nice to people, bacause your word makes who you are.

Regardless of what happens here, power8gold, you'll still be banned if you don't resolve the other dispute with jdj589

Brail · Aug 7, 2012

This is my IP from my home you can cross scan it and see I dont match any other IP and I will only post from here now on.

power8gold · Aug 7, 2012

EpicNPC said:
5 different people have posted here saying they bought a SOR account from you and it was banned within a very short period of time, so they are not "good accounts". Your analogy is also wrong. A perfect example is the oil spill in the Gulf 2 years ago. Is the oil company only responsible for the damage to their property? No, they are responsible for all the destruction their mistake caused.

The account you sold ended up banning multiple other accounts. Had he not bought the account from you, his accounts would not have been banned. So it was your account that caused the problem.

I went through all 28 pages of your thread power8gold and it seems only 2 people had any issues, not including the recent disputes that were opened. So it does appear that for the most part the accounts were good, until recently.

I'm going to change the $1000, as that was just a random number I pulled. In Brail's screenshots he stated "I value my lose at about $350-400". So we'll do $350.

-----------------------------
Now as far as Brail goes, proxies/VPSs are not allow and are it's a bannable offense. If you have critical info on your computer and have to use a proxy, you will be banned. So you will have to turn it off if you are coming here. Please do that and make another post in this thread so I can check your IP.

Brail post screenshots of the full email and BLizzard tickets showing why the accounts were banned and that Blizzard will not be unbanning them.

Your “perfect example” is not suitable here, oil spills pollute the environment, oil company take the responsibility. Here is the thing, when blizzard ban your account, they say “hey, I baned all of your wow accounts because 2 of your accounts were banned”, it is ridiculous, but this is what you believed. In your theory, I should hold a lifelong responsibility for the account no matter what you do with it. Above the reason I should give $350 because Brail said his lost was $350-$400, or you will give a lifetime pro-seller a ban. Its not a deal but a Naked threats. The accounts I sell are good, but he got 100% ban, and it’s ok elsewhere, in fact, some clients think the accounts are good, they EVEN bot with them and NEVER had any problem.

For Brail, he not only hold or trade TCG mounts, trade large amount of gold, using multiple IP, I don’t know if u play WOW at all, but we all know, these activities, or, 1 of these activities is more than enough reason for ban. We don’t know what the reason his accounts were banned, we don’t know what he has done to these accounts. Of course, he would blame somebody else except himself.

And that’s why the disclaimer exists, too many kinds of activities can cause the ban. After I sell, they accounts are no longer mine, you use it in your own intention, u do whatever u want, u bot, u trade gold, u spam, and when it’s ban, u blame on me? That’s not the deal here and everywhere. I don’t know what he has done to these accounts, he even said he had never bot or violate the rules for a single day. Who is he kidding?

As sky noted, one account can’t relate to 11 accounts. Even it does, he traded gold or items or mounts, these are the reason his accounts ban.
Mike, I don’t think u read the thread carefully, there aren’t 5 people claim that they bought accounts from me and suffered instantly ban. Ohh, if u count Cow King in, as I said, he never deal with me before, as I can’t blame my vendor if there is something wrong with the accounts. He doesn’t have a say in this case.

It’s the same problem with jdj589, why didn’t I reply him? He came with me with all F**k and insult words, he didn’t want to sort it out. As he said, he sell accounts and mounts, god knows what else he do when he use the accounts. No matter he sells in game or elsewhere, it is a violation of Blizzard’s rules, which is more than enough for ban. That’s why when they whispered clients or spam in trade/general chanel in game, and got reported they take the responsibility themselves.

As to your question about” the account was locked once, and u did try your best to unban it, then you should know it's still a little risky to keep that amount of gold in that account”, I would like to ask you a very simple question, if your bank account have been hacked yesterday, would u enhance your security or you deposit more money in it today?
I say this NOT because I admit the accounts have any problem, but based on common sense, they are good accounts, the name issue is all unmerged accounts’ nature, all you have to do is submit an ID copy and problem solved, we don’t know how he got 87k gold in 3 days, we don’t even know if there is 87k gold in this accounts. He can say what he would like to say, and it seems you just believe whatever he says.
I was more than generous to offer him a new account and 1 month RAF game time, or I could just refund him. but if he can’t be polite or he has to be so rude, insult me or disturb my life, why do I have to? He’s words shows what kind of person he is, or his actions in game, you don’t know him in real word or in the game, how can u trust him so much and ignore the facts about unmerged accounts?
Unless Brail display persuasive evidence that his accounts were banned because of me, I don’t accept any compensation u decided. Same situation with jdj589,.

Also, I have to say, Mike, as the administrator of the forum, you are not fair enough. No offense, you can’t judge so quickly just based on what they said, you don’t even dig deep enough as Sky did. Seems like ban me is a favor of you, what else should I say?

Epic 1NPC · Aug 7, 2012

I've reread everything and have reconsidered some things.

Brail, as it has been mentioned, it is not common for Blizzard to ban multiple accounts because 1 account was used in gold-farming/botting. So even if the account power8gold sold you was used in botting, that ban, under normal conditions, should not have caused all your other accounts to become banned.

I have to agree with Power8gold that you must have been doing other activities on your accounts that were bannable offenses. I'm not saying you were botting, but if you were buying/selling gold, that is just as bad in Blizzard's eyes. It just happens that this account from Power8gold is the one that got you caught.

I see the screenshots you sent about the accounts being banned and they all say for economy exploitation, which again confirms that you bought and sold gold on these accounts. I don't think Blizzard would send you an email like that if only the SOR account was dirty. You also mentioned you had 3million gold on your accounts and did buy/sell gold.

It does seem that the account you purchased from Power8gold is the account that triggered all this, but I was incorrect in putting full blame on power8gold. The account you got might have been used for botting and when it was merged it put a red flag up on your accounts, which caused Blizzard to investigate and is what eventually got them all banned, but I will be changing my final ruling.

As with buying gold, you take a chance your account will be banned. The seller cannot be responsible as you are both partaking in an activity that is against the game's rules. When an account is banned, normally the gold seller just has to refund the payment, but does not have to pay for the banned account.

I have to reverse my decision and agree with Power8gold in this case. From past disputes, when someone buys a dirty account and it gets banned, I don't think I can ever recall Blizzard permanently banning other accounts of that player. If anyone can remember a thread and post where that happened, post the URL here and I'll take that into account.

That said, it seems very likely Power8gold did sell Brail a dirty account and it is the primary reason Blizzard started to investigate his accounts. However had they been clean, nothing would have happened. So the blame must be put on the buyer as a risk he took with buying and merging the account as Power8gold did not know what you were doing with the account after purchase or that you were a gold seller.

Viewing the 28 page sell thread of Power8gold, it seems that very few accounts had any issues, I only saw 2 complaints, so that is within reason. Had there been more complaints to show that a large number of these accounts were dirty, then I would have stuck with my original ruling, but it seems like it was a very small percentage.

So the final ruling will be that Power8gold has to refund Brail for the SOR accounts and just so it's not a total lose for Brail, $50 on top of that.

Epic 1NPC · Aug 8, 2012

waiting for update. Ban in 48 hrs

Brail · Aug 9, 2012

Contacted him several times in the last 48 hours and havent even got a response out of him, however he responds to a friend of mine on skype.

So Im being blatantly ignored.

(fyi at a friends house you can scan the IP though he doesnt even play any MMOs so I know its clean)

power8gold · Aug 9, 2012

This has been a battle for me, what I’ve been struggling to fight for is my dignity. As a member of the forum said” at least, he over looked it”, yeah, I’m glad that u have been looking into it. I appreciate it, but that’s not enough.

From the start, Brail liked your perfect number of $1000, he even noted why it is the right amount I owe him, right now, he still seems to be okay with the recent $50,why? If he is so kind, I think this thread would not exist, I take it as he knew it was something he did that result in the ban of his accounts.

I don’t agree with your” The account you got might have been used for botting and when it was merged it put a red flag up on your accounts, which caused Blizzard to investigate and is what eventually got them all banned”, you still blame me for this happened. What if his action like trading gold, attracted Blizzard’s attention resulted in all the account’s ban? And the accounts he just bought from me suffered too? It’s just happened at the same, and this could be a reason.

There is a risk in every business, for these unmerged accounts, it’s not matched username, IP, and the original use of the account, all these are the nature of these accounts, and there is no way to find it out. That’s why this account doesn’t come with insurance, and that’s why the disclaimer exist.

Brail paid for 2 accounts, when he said the accounts banned, I didn’t know what was the reason for it, and replaced him with 2 new accounts. You can’t say which account is dirty, all I can say is accounts work else there, but got 100% for him, it should be his problem, I’m sorry for his loss too, but it’s not my fault. And I suffered loss too, why do I have to compensate him?

As I said in the first post, jdj589 is a reseller, if he didn’t sell the accounts in game, he sells elsewhere, then it gives a reasonable suspicious about how these gold comes? A few questions

1, is it true that he got 87k gold in it?(if he would know Mike would trust him so much, he would be regret not saying a even big amount)
2. how can he get 87k gold in 3 days? I checked with my friend, if not bot or trade just farm, need about 5-7 days at least for professional player to get 90k gold, and to gain so much gold requires engage in raids and beat clothes. If he is a pro player, he is easily for him to gain, then no big loss, if he is not, where did the gold come from?
3. why should I take responsibility for the ban? The accounts name doesn’t match with jdj589 is a common sense, this doesn’t make it dirty. If it is, he wouldn’t get it back the first time he tried to unban it.
4. when the accounts ban, you came to me, for compensation, have u ever give me any bonus for you lvled and get good characters in the accounts, or even sell them at a much higher price than the price I sold to you? Once the payment done, and u successful merged it, I can’t hold any gain or loss for the accounts.
5. what’s the reason for ban, we have discussed this enough, many activities can result in a ban, which shouldn’t blame me for it.

After all this proved, ill refund your payment or give a new account.

Why did I block jdj589, the rest dialogue explained..

[23:18:02] Simon Skelkjær: Hi power8gold! I’d like to add you on Skype. Simon Skelkjær
[23:18:13] Bruce-power8gold: Bruce-power8gold has shared contact details with Simon Skelkjær.
[23:18:24] Bruce-power8gold: hi
[23:18:31] Simon Skelkjær: hi
[23:18:56] Simon Skelkjær: This is jdj589 from EpicNPC
[23:19:06] Simon Skelkjær: I made this skype because you ignored me
[23:19:13] Simon Skelkjær: I want to be refunded
[23:19:26] Bruce-power8gold: i will reply on epic
[23:19:58] Simon Skelkjær: And when are you going to refund me? I want an unmerged account at least
[23:20:15] Bruce-power8gold: there is no way i will send you $50
[23:20:24] Simon Skelkjær: I know
[23:20:35] Simon Skelkjær: Just give me an account
[23:20:55] Simon Skelkjær: And I will close my dispute thread
[23:21:35] Bruce-power8gold: that's all?
[23:22:10] Simon Skelkjær: I also lost 87k because of you, but I will call it even if you give me an unmerged account
[23:22:20] Simon Skelkjær: But this time it has to be a working one
[23:22:35] Simon Skelkjær: Not banned one
[23:22:37] Bruce-power8gold: all accounts i sell out are good ones
[23:23:00] Bruce-power8gold: as i said, i only got the username and pw
[23:23:04] Simon Skelkjær: Dude, this one was used for illegal activities before 2009
[23:23:12] Simon Skelkjær: And when I merged it they banned it
[23:23:39] Bruce-power8gold: there is no way for me to find out what they have done with their accoutns, just like i dont know what u have done after merged
[23:24:30] Simon Skelkjær: I didn't do anything illegal with it, I just started leveling a char and I made some gold, but it was completely legit
[23:24:52] Simon Skelkjær: So will you give me a new account as compensation?
[23:27:07] Simon Skelkjær: If you don't I will tell everyone about this scam
[23:27:13] Simon Skelkjær: On every forum I know
[23:29:33] Simon Skelkjær: Are you ignoring me again?
[23:29:45] Bruce-power8gold: ill get back to u
[23:29:53] Bruce-power8gold: im doing something atm, busy now
[23:29:54] Simon Skelkjær: WHEN?
[23:30:06] Simon Skelkjær: I want to have the account in 1 hour
[23:30:38] Simon Skelkjær: If I don't have it by then I will make sure that you never sell anything on any forums, ever.
[23:34:21] Bruce-power8gold: first post there, and proof you are jdj589 and that's the settelment you make, then i will try to get you an account in a hour
[23:35:20] Simon Skelkjær: you guarantee that you will get an account that ISN'T going to get banned as soon as I merge it?
[23:37:16] Bruce-power8gold: as the account, i can't gurantee anything, it's not the first account u bought from here, they are just radom, i wish there is a way i can check what have been done earlier, but there is not
[23:37:33] Bruce-power8gold: or i can just refund you$9
[23:38:13] Simon Skelkjær: I want a working account, 9$ is nothing, I LOST 87k because of you
[23:38:26] Simon Skelkjær: Compared to the 87k 9$ is nothing
[23:38:54] Simon Skelkjær: nvm, you're just a scammer
[23:39:11] Bruce-power8gold: if you did the farm yourself, it's only 2 days work
[23:39:24] Bruce-power8gold: if not, you gain it in illegal way
[23:39:31] Simon Skelkjær: Enjoy your ban, you'll never hear from me again.
[23:39:33] Bruce-power8gold: plus, we dont know if there is even 87k in it
[23:39:38] Simon Skelkjær: Scammer

jdj589 · Aug 9, 2012

[23:18:02] Simon Skelkjær: Hi power8gold! I’d like to add you on Skype. Simon Skelkjær
[23:18:13] Bruce-power8gold: Bruce-power8gold has shared contact details with Simon Skelkjær.
[23:18:24] Bruce-power8gold: hi
[23:18:31] Simon Skelkjær: hi
[23:18:56] Simon Skelkjær: This is jdj589 from EpicNPC
[23:19:06] Simon Skelkjær: I made this skype because you ignored me
[23:19:13] Simon Skelkjær: I want to be refunded
[23:19:26] Bruce-power8gold: i will reply on epic
[23:19:58] Simon Skelkjær: And when are you going to refund me? I want an unmerged account at least
[23:20:15] Bruce-power8gold: there is no way i will send you $50
[23:20:24] Simon Skelkjær: I know
[23:20:35] Simon Skelkjær: Just give me an account
[23:20:55] Simon Skelkjær: And I will close my dispute thread
[23:21:35] Bruce-power8gold: that's all?
[23:22:10] Simon Skelkjær: I also lost 87k because of you, but I will call it even if you give me an unmerged account
[23:22:20] Simon Skelkjær: But this time it has to be a working one
[23:22:35] Simon Skelkjær: Not banned one
[23:22:37] Bruce-power8gold: all accounts i sell out are good ones
[23:23:00] Bruce-power8gold: as i said, i only got the username and pw
[23:23:04] Simon Skelkjær: Dude, this one was used for illegal activities before 2009
[23:23:12] Simon Skelkjær: And when I merged it they banned it
[23:23:39] Bruce-power8gold: there is no way for me to find out what they have done with their accoutns, just like i dont know what u have done after merged
[23:24:30] Simon Skelkjær: I didn't do anything illegal with it, I just started leveling a char and I made some gold, but it was completely legit
[23:24:52] Simon Skelkjær: So will you give me a new account as compensation?
[23:27:07] Simon Skelkjær: If you don't I will tell everyone about this scam
[23:27:13] Simon Skelkjær: On every forum I know
[23:29:33] Simon Skelkjær: Are you ignoring me again?
[23:29:45] Bruce-power8gold: ill get back to u
[23:29:53] Bruce-power8gold: im doing something atm, busy now
[23:29:54] Simon Skelkjær: WHEN?
[23:30:06] Simon Skelkjær: I want to have the account in 1 hour
[23:30:38] Simon Skelkjær: If I don't have it by then I will make sure that you never sell anything on any forums, ever.
[23:34:21] Bruce-power8gold: first post there, and proof you are jdj589 and that's the settelment you make, then i will try to get you an account in a hour
[23:35:20] Simon Skelkjær: you guarantee that you will get an account that ISN'T going to get banned as soon as I merge it?
[23:37:16] Bruce-power8gold: as the account, i can't gurantee anything, it's not the first account u bought from here, they are just radom, i wish there is a way i can check what have been done earlier, but there is not
[23:37:33] Bruce-power8gold: or i can just refund you$9
[23:38:13] Simon Skelkjær: I want a working account, 9$ is nothing, I LOST 87k because of you
[23:38:26] Simon Skelkjær: Compared to the 87k 9$ is nothing
[23:38:54] Simon Skelkjær: nvm, you're just a scammer
[23:39:11] Bruce-power8gold: if you did the farm yourself, it's only 2 days work
[23:39:24] Bruce-power8gold: if not, you gain it in illegal way
[23:39:31] Simon Skelkjær: Enjoy your ban, you'll never hear from me again.
[23:39:33] Bruce-power8gold: plus, we dont know if there is even 87k in it
[23:39:38] Simon Skelkjær: Scammer

This is not me, i can prove the skype i made is named "jordan" and the skype name is "wowbuyer" I have no account named simon skelljaer im sure bruce made that acc himself. here is a SS of my skype ID's

So nice try yet again power8gold, at trying to F me over. screw you bro.

UPDATE.
Power8gold keeps trying to say my account was banned, but it wasnt it was Locked. it needs the OO owners ID to unlock it, so therefore i have done NOTHING to get it banned so all his claims are bull crap, hes a lying *******. ive posted many screenshots about it being locked, not banned, so I dont know where he is pulling all this bull**** from.

Sky~ · Aug 9, 2012

jdj589, Bruce's English is not that good for it to be a fake account he created.

jdj589 · Aug 9, 2012

Oh and proof that, that guy he talked to wasnt me, he couldnt log onto my acc on epicnpc.com and post, so he acused power8gold of being a scammer, if i wanted a unmerged account as a compensation im sure i would of got it by now. But guess what? i dont want another one of his accounts for compensation, so another proof that wasnt me. If you can get "simon" to log onto my forum acc and post that im him, id love to see that because im sure as HELL not simon skelljear as i have no clue how the hell you would do a a and e mixed togthere, so yet another proof that wasnt me. Power, im not going to contact you as you ignore me, i will talk to you via epicnpc on the threads ANYONE who claims to be me, isnt me. my skype names i use, jeremy.johnston4 wowbuyer123 joe.smith1365 and the only reasons ive made the other 2 were to contact you, If someone claims to be me, you tell them to post on this thread with they're skype name on it and I guarantee you they wont be able too, case closed on your fake skype bullcrap mike has posted the compensation you owe me, and a ban will be coming in around 24hours as mike said if you dont pay me, 59$ in my paypal [email protected] is the only paypal i use, if you plan on paying for my compensation send it there, no one else. If i receive the payment i will post a screenshot on the thread proving you sent it too me. ANYONE who claims to be me and cant post and prove they are me is obvisouly not me. I would think you would have enough god damn sense to know that, and if you want to give up your 100 some rep for a measly 59$ to me, i think thats really shallow and you are responsible for my account as it was Locked not Banned. 2 very different things.

Power8gold i ask you one thing, be a good guy for once, fix this problem and send me my compensation. I wont accept any sort of compensation besides the one mike has said 59$ which i believe is very fair with the 87k gold, and gold is worth around 1$/k right now and then the 9$ i put into buying the account then another 9$ i put into the 2months + raf mount is very far as that equals up to 105$, and your paying me less than half of that. so if i was you i would be happy.

And again, is someone claims to be me and cant prove its me on the forum its obvisouly not me. So, if you would of gave that guy a acc it would of been your fault, not mine.

- - - Updated - - -

Sky, it may of not been bruce but it wasnt me. Im just glad bruce asked him to post.

- - - Updated - - -

Ive reviewed the contact msgs that bruce has from someone claiming to be me, first off to prove its not me, i neve use the ' thing, i never say "don't" i just do dont. and im not going to lie, when im mad and talking to someone im more vulgar if that was me and he would of been refusing to compensate me i would of been way more mean than what that guy was, thats just the way i am, his typing skills and attitude dont match up to mine, and he couldnt post a reply to prove it was me, just my input on how i know that wasnt me.

- - - Updated - - -

What i've also noticed, bruce claimed it would take 5+ days to farm 87k gold but in the contact that he posted with that guy he said

[23:39:11] Bruce-power8gold: if you did the farm yourself, it's only 2 days work

So, he claims it would take 5days to farm, but then he just said to that guy, its 2days work. not matching up i believe.

Scammed - Power8gold - False Claims Of Clean Accounts

Similar threads