Not using his own paypal and Tryna dispute the payment

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Hi, so i got this guy https://www.epicnpc.com/members/cruelnoob.398602 offering me to buy my tera Selling - (DMO) Tera - Items - Crowns [Omegamon/Leviamon] | EpicNPC Marketplace but asking for the items first and won't do the payment first.
It's a though situation but i keep going with my 'payment first' and he's unfriend me on discord because we don't get the deal 'buyer wont send the money first'. *im saved*

>>Few days after he want to buy teras from me, my friend in-game was opened a case on facebook saying that this guy want to get the refund after the deal (he already opened a case on paypal though not using his name at all and different languages on dispute) after making a deal *both side went agreed*.
and he's threaten my friend that he'll going to disput anyway, since he knows that paypal doesn't care as much as we know that.

simply : both deal > asking for request money not into his paypal account(seems like money laundry) > money sent > suddenly wants a refund because it's not what he want > suddenly opened a case > and yeah he fear no paypal because he knows paypal doesn't care lol.

yeah it's look an off-site scamming and Scam Accusation for me and my friend though!


*last screenshot he's trying to do the same thing using paypal as the payment service and after that he'll dispute anyway, even though he's from the same country as me using bank transfer isn't that hard lol but he's kinda smell fishy so i don't do the transaction and he unfriend me once again on discord*


Q1 : why don't you just cancel the payment and get back to your account and change password ?
A1 : first off all he said deal and yeah you can hackback these account once you got the email/id/password and 2nd security pin which mean you had to MAKE SURE before purchasing something like account when seller gives email id and 2nd password you can request a new password through costumers service from the game provider. (the worst scenario is losing money and yet losing the account)
 

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Having this post has some truth and a lie that cruelnoob (I say supposedly cheated us, I do not know if he is the same person who is plotting all this) the only one here who lost was me 55 USD and I am claiming it from the account that was said that I will pay in any case I have all my tests if someone needs them and wants to help I offered my help to the other friend but they did not want according to him he lost the account and the money that I paid to another paypal how is that possible I do not just say I am asking paypal my money if they used their personal data to scam me, how was that possible when I just asked them to make a request for the money.
 
Having this post has some truth and a lie that cruelnoob (I say supposedly cheated us, I do not know if he is the same person who is plotting all this) the only one here who lost was me 55 USD and I am claiming it from the account that was said that I will pay in any case I have all my tests if someone needs them and wants to help I offered my help to the other friend but they did not want according to him he lost the account and the money that I paid to another paypal how is that possible I do not just say I am asking paypal my money if they used their personal data to scam me, how was that possible when I just asked them to make a request for the money.
By losing account means if you have others data you can reset them through costumer service, and because this cruelnoob already said it's a deal it's mean once my friend give his data you can't take down the offer or payment. Dang this cruelnoob is fkin good he can set up both you and my friend.
 
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well thats someone impersonating me, my paypal and discord have different avatar/photo profile
Thanks mods for clarify this
 
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well thats someone impersonating me, my paypal and discord have different avatar/photo profile
Thanks mods for clarify this

Can you Show me your discord id sir? to clarify
 
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It also appears to me so it's your discord tag cruelnoob # 5585 and of those images that legacy uploaded are mine I am LukeStark (acehatfield) this smells strange I tried to contact cruelnoob and it does not answer in discord it only appears online
 
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This is someone impersonating Cruelnoob as confirmed by this dispute: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-tried-to-use-my-footage-to-scam-one-of-my-customers.1900718/

1. Who is Legacy in the discord convo?

2. Why did the impersonator give @acehatfield paypal to legacy?

3.Who is Murasima?


It also appears to me so it's your discord tag cruelnoob # 5585 and of those images that legacy uploaded are mine I am LukeStark (acehatfield) this smells strange I tried to contact cruelnoob and it does not answer in discord it only appears online
 
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@cruelnoob Add both ontheway18 & acehatfield using the discord you showed that you have. Then post the conversations here with a screenshot showing their discord IDs. This will be the fastest way to prove if that is or is not your discord.
 
LukeStark is me, Leg4cy is ontheway18 and cruelnoob is cruelnoob.
 

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WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
This is someone impersonating Cruelnoob as confirmed by this dispute: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-tried-to-use-my-footage-to-scam-one-of-my-customers.1900718/

1. Who is Legacy in the discord convo?

2. Why did the impersonator give @acehatfield paypal to legacy?

3.Who is Murasima?

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1. Legacy is
ontheway18


2. because the buyer wants seller to request money and pay him instead i guess (?)

3. It's murasimu it's me man, i mean the same discord contacted me and asking for item first and roughly decline the money first or middleman service
 
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@ontheway18 Can you confirm that the one that added you indeed was a different discord while still having the same badges? (Nitro, booster, and the other one)
 
@ontheway18 Can you confirm that the one that added you indeed was a different discord while still having the same badges? (Nitro, booster, and the other one)
he sent me this screenshot last night but i couldn't update the thread, my friend legacy said :

-Screenshot 1 the one who did the transaction
-Screenshot 2 he said 'the real' Cruelnoob
 

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WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.
I am going to close this and put it into off-site. Normally we do not investigate discord disputes as its next to impossible to prove anything.

My recommendation to all involved is to always confirm who you are talking to by talking on-site. It is the easiest way to avoid this happening.

This is the first time seeing someone be able to copy another users discord nitro account, which just makes discord even more unreliable as a contact method.
 
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