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Hi EPICNPC,

I am reporting this case to you, as i am being falsely accused, actually first it was my client who was accused by another client, then it was me, as i believe buyer that have bought account of me, that belonged to my client, is mentally unstable person, who can only talk "****" to other people, and manipulate i guess.I will have zero tolerance, and zero respect for this person, as this person does not deserve one.It all started on a day (06/21/2021) when i have purchased account for re-sale, obviously i do fully inspection of every single account in that is included (Support tickets, name, last name, check in-game if there will come whisper from someone that is looking for account, basically anything that could grow my suspicion) Nothing!
On same day (06/21/2021) couple hours later i post same account on sale, and receive my self very quickly after that a buyer (@Esquireadvisor )we agreed on price of 418.68€ same account was given to this person, email and all information have been changed. So from that moment my whole access to that account was gone. However all i know is that account used gift cards, so payment couldn't be tracked, Last name was checked overall (google,Facebook,Instagram,twitter) basically no account with such last name! Which indicates no possible returns. To confirm i as well took (Seller) identification next to my discord did not match either. (Can be confirmed if seller agreed) Only to Administrators!Since buyer of account wasn't available at the day of purchase to check fully account, I've decided to contact him with respect and check if he's happy with account that he purchased, where he indicated to me that he says he thought he will like tbc but he will sell account "Check on discord, he removed those messages, to literally hide evidence" of him saying that. Probably because i have written on his feedback that i was suspicious when he said that, probably to remove any suspicion, he decided to remove it from our conversation.However i didn't care as much why he will resell it, for me it meant only one more business, so i said why not, was kind of suspicious, but didn't really thought he will try anything to do.So within a time i was searching for a buyer, he was most of time non active even i found once a buyer he wouldn't be in a time there, he didn't understand that selling for high prices usually means, u sell it or not, as people who got money, doesn't have to wait for you to get your **** together, and start deciding to sell, they come, they buy, and they chill.So then he decides to sell it on his own. I was okay with that, as i saw i will only lose time with him, as he's not really interested into selling, then my suspicion even more started, but i didn't care. Didn't really think he will try anything.Few days passed, he contacts me with messages dude, account is taken back, firstly he said its probably that dude, and then i said i am at work, as i really was even took an photo that i wanted to send him to really show him that i work, and that i cannot deal right at this moment with it, he started to threat me then, can notice that he also removed some messages and there.then he starts more with accusation how i am reseller, bla bla. Yes i am like a person that safely transfers from point x to point z, account that is multiple times checked, and all other things, after that what you do or what happens with it i cannot grantee as it is in your possession. He was to much respectable, was being ignorant, and i was being tired of that behaviour as i couple times warned him to calm down, that i will see what i can do, he continued going with his behaviour after what i blocked him "I hope something terrible happens to you or your family. Have a good one filthy Euro trash " this was his sentence to me, after i said no more no one will speak to me like that.After that i cut every connection with him, even after that i have decided to give him a chance and speak with owner i have purchased account from, was a bit harder to come to him, however few days later he finally contacted me, where he said that he have nothing to do with it, and that he have new account on same account, he's boosting it, and preparing it for sale!
So i decided to open this dispute of feedback that he created, as this is falsely accusation, and i dont appreciate being called scammer, as i tried everything in my power to investigate who is lying, and who is not! I am trying to run a clean business here, and flip some money! I am not a rich person that can afford big things, but i hope one day i'll be able to, i am sorry if not every my business inst as perfect as people would like them to be, but at end this is market, and in black market shits can go down, you agreed on that once you have purchased that account of me, not sure if it was your leak of email, leak of account whatever that could lead to you loosing account, but your fingers will never again point at my family and at my business!
This is all i have to say regardless to this case! I'll provide also couple photos, from him trying to dispute money from me, even he said he wouldn't, however he did in meantime he was saying that, he's typical liar on steroids. I would appreciate this feedback negative to be removed! Thank you!
Person that have sold me this account was @Velar
Photos Paypal: paypal dispute1.png
(Paypal recovered funds to me)
DiscordHonestly not much to see, only bunch of accusations by him on buyer firstly, then on me. Noticed he removed some messages, however just took transcript and i am willing to share it if required to private messages of epicnpc staff.

This all honestly demotivated me to continue running this business, I've noticed how much i have to stay cool, and try to run business that hits you double times harder once u start to lose. You cannot unfortunately make everyone happy at end.

Best Regards,Rogue.
 
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Where to start…first of all, if you were in the United States I would’ve dragged you into small claims court to hash this all out. You as the seller of the account tried to dodge all responsibility for what happened. You alleged it was an anonymous account and I relied on that. After I bought the account you proceed to brag to me about how cheap you got it and that you weren’t 100% about how anonymous the account was. That gave me pause for concern. I had money in my account on PayPal and had been feeling an itch to get back into WoW. After playing a few days I realized I didn’t have the time to invest into it, so I was planning on reselling it when YOU contacted me. I told you honestly how I felt with. You then proceeded to offer to help me sell it and even asked for my password which I thought was odd. You continued to pressure me about getting access to the account. There were so many red flags. After it got a little overboard I told you I’d just sell it myself which I was more than capable of doing. Funny thing is after trying to sell it and playing the character I actually started to really enjoy it. I even joined a guild that morning and had a Gruul raid planned at 7. I had taken a nap at 5pm est and when I woke up at around 6:45 and checked my email I saw the email from blizzard about an email change. I immediately knew I was scammed. Sure enough I was. When I contacted you about it you tried to deny any responsibility and that you were simply a “reseller”. That is absolute BS. It became your product when you chose to sell it. After I talked with you it didn’t seem like you had any ability to help me and I believed you were probably in on it. Either way, between your dodge of responsibility and previously sketchy behavior I chose to try and process it through PayPal. The long story short is I paid 530 dollars for an account that I no longer possess. I’m a bar licensed attorney in Florida and I’ll happily prove it. Who would you be more inclined to believe a random shady booster who sells accounts for 1/3 their value or an attorney who claims that he’s been ripped off? This is the last thing I’d like to be spending my time doing and to accuse me of setting this all up is borderline slander and I can only hope that other people see this and take serious caution about purchasing anything from you ever again.
 
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@Esquireadvisor please post image of blizzard email
What does that proof that he switched beetwen emails i checked both sides
First of all welcome to black market(lawyer) i checked all and according to my checkings it all points to you, we can play scenarios over and over, but as you deleted some discord messages i dont see a reason why u couldnt and scamm, if you check my reps you can notice there are multiple transactions done where i sell account of people.
Account that i sold to it was checked and well inspected i am not dumb to fall. I take every measure to make sure my bussines is running well, untill you showed..

To admin, make decision whichever u want, if you need me to supply acc lastname i still got it or conversation beetwen me and him, or what is left of it, as he deleted some messages contact me
Cheers
 
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You expect me to gurantee you 100% even knowing account trading/selling is completely ilegal by blizzard, are you shitting me now, will no more reply to this thread. He will try to change every aspect of conversations, just tell me, why did you remove some messages from discord, lawyer boy?
+ you your self have said its a bullshit name, just noticed it..
 
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I couldn’t even see the full name. I just said it looked potentially fake. Either way, it’s irrelevant as the account was stolen from me. One way, or another. Most likely by your supplier. If he’s the original owner then it was him. Or it’s you. Simple as that. I deleted the discord comments because I attempted to do an unauthorized transaction on you as I had no other recourse as it was a friends and family PayPal transaction with funds in my PayPal account. Obviously strategic, by you, so I can’t get buyer protection and have no choice but to get screwed. You can call me names and pontificate on about your business, but I’m the victim here, NOT you! You still received my money, I have nothing but your broken English drivel to deal with. I paid 530 dollars to have to deal with this horse **** and have nothing to show for it. It’s next level maddening.
 
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@EpicNPC CM

So since were gonna all around, and spectaculate who's and who's not i'll just reply this for a epicnpc and let them decide, as i am honestly regretting even creating this thread.

Lastname that was used was Delan i can only guess one thing that could be releated to it and its: https://www.agrar.basf.de/de/Produkte/Produktdetails/Fungizid/Delan-Pro.html It jumps out when i google
No lastnames with that name, seller also claims that this person in conversation here is probably trying to hide it, we can go like this in circle 1000 times, but i can only connect this to this person who's writting in this thread, as he had only possesion of account, he had a plan to resell it right after buying it, he's being rude in this whole situation.
Once you decide of further outcome, please let me know in private messages i wont anymore watch from this person accusations, all i could see is lie lie and lie.
I wont waste my time anymore trying to proof that i dealt my bussines propertly, as i know i did. I did so many sales this month, and this person caused me headeache. I'll close this thread, and if your outcome isnt in my favor it will not matter i am stopping bussines for good. I wont tolerate lies on me!
 
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I just realized we have the other user who sold the accounts forum name. We should bring him In here as well. Unless “velar” isn’t the OO but the hunters name matches his way too closely to be a coincidence. I’d bet a body party he’s behind this in one form or another. Admin, he sold the account heavily discounted as noted in the discord logs. There’s a reason for this and it’s not because Rogue had “good” feedback as he claims.
 
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I just realized we have the other user who sold the accounts forum name. We should bring him In here as well. Unless “velar” isn’t the OO but the hunters name matches his way too closely to be a coincidence. I’d bet a body party he’s behind this in one form or another. Admin, he sold the account heavily discounted as noted in the discord logs. There’s a reason for this and it’s not because Rogue had “good” feedback as he claims.
Aha and we should believe you, because your a lawyer i put his name there cause he is person that sold me this account, but your being a ****. Ive speaked with him already, and he points finger at you. Aswell you did on him, then on me, even you dont know at who your pointing your dirty lawyers fingers anymore. Feel free to speak to him, but as of now i am cloosing this thread aa i dont want your dirty shitt messages to read ever again
Admin, please hold my wish and communicqte with us through pm's i dont want to communicate to this person anymore
 
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You know, after reading what you wrote, I already regret that I decided to sell my account here. I sold my account and I didn't care how much because I urgently needed money. One claims to have bought, then decided to resell it. Then, according to him, he provided the password for the account but changed his mind about reselling it. But the record was changed? How? This is a fake account. I came up with a surname already 10 years ago, or even pain. (For me now it was funny to see that there are some products with that name) I will have to file a lawsuit against them))) Okay, what am I talking about? The fact is that because of your conflicts and showdowns, I also lost money. Since PayPal returned the money I received to the seller. You accuse me of being extreme. Sorry if something is not clear since I am writing through a translator. If you have any questions or complaints to me, then let us ask.
 
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You know, after reading what you wrote, I already regret that I decided to sell my account here. I sold my account and I didn't care how much because I urgently needed money. One claims to have bought, then decided to resell it. Then, according to him, he provided the password for the account but changed his mind about reselling it. But the record was changed? How? This is a fake account. I came up with a surname already 10 years ago, or even pain. (For me now it was funny to see that there are some products with that name) I will have to file a lawsuit against them))) Okay, what am I talking about? The fact is that because of your conflicts and showdowns, I also lost money. Since PayPal returned the money I received to the seller. You accuse me of being extreme. Sorry if something is not clear since I am writing through a translator. If you have any questions or complaints to me, then let us ask.
Dont worry your funds will be recovered to you, this is just precaution i know that he is the one who's lying but i dont want things to go downhill.
I've requested an refund of paypal, mainly cause i didn't recieve any response of you in Discord, that was to get your attention. We've spooken on discord, i've waited for your reply mate. However, once this disscusion is over, i'll close dispute on paypal. I just need you to be here and support with case that is ongoing. I know its all dumb, and that claims of buyer are false, however i am trying to proof here a point that "Buyer" person that have bought account, have actually "Bought" "Fake" account and i know that aswell i checked all info, and i dont need anyone to tell me diffrently. The only person who could leak info was "Buyer" him self, his email, his password, informations, he could sell it to other person, he could give it, he could just transfer it to another email, and claim yo my account have been returned, make up such an amazing story against me or my client. But as said! It is on EpicNPC

However that i had to recieve for that Negative feedback, sorry but that is not okay! He accuse me of Scamming, which isnt true, and i am sick of it, while i am trying to run here clean bussines.

LASTNAME IS AS FAKE AS IT CAN BE! I DONT CARE WHAT BUYER ANYMORE SAYS! I AM SICK OF HIS ACCUSATIONS AND HIS BEHAVIOR! I WILL NOT TOLERATE NO ONE **** ON MY FAMILY CAUSE I NEVER DID ON OPPOSITE! I DONT CARE WHAT HE HAVE DONE WITH ACCOUNT AFTER TRANSACTION, IT IS HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO CHECK, CHANGE ALL! ALL I KNOW IS THAT ACCOUNT IS ON FAKE DETAILS, AND Even

Adress that i have noted from account had fake address
Uignot 32
Finixx
Arizona 247937
Blizzard require from you to send picture of leggit ID Next to your face, which requires leggit id,addresss and all visible on it. Guess what? this account doesn't have that!

Basicly nothing on that account was legal. I dont know if that "buyer" even bothered to login website and check it himself before making him self idiot, but i am not dumb person, and i will not fall on this scam! So mister i wish you the rest of your life **** as it can be, cause you dont deserve better!
EpicNPC I AM GONE!
I think i have said all i had to say for this transaction, please if we can finish this case, so i can recover Velar his money.

Thank you!
 
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6/21 - Rogue buys account from Velar (OO)
6/21 - Rogue sells account to Esquireadvisor for 418.68€
6/25 - Account email change sent
6/25 - Negative feedback on Rogue's account

Has anyone contacted support? @Esquireadvisor do you still have access to the email attached to the account?
 
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6/21 - Rogue buys account from Velar (OO)
6/21 - Rogue sells account to Esquireadvisor for 418.68€
6/25 - Account email change sent
6/25 - Negative feedback on Rogue's account

Has anyone contacted support? @Esquireadvisor do you still have access to the email attached to the account?
Yes he stll does i guess atleast its his email that i attached account to.
Highly doubt Support would be of some help as from my previous past account that i bought for personal usuage, however it was old retail account and i recieved an ID with same, it matched account and all, however i lost that account, cause according to them account needs to have identifcation next to face of owner.
They dont disclouse any information if you are not real owner of account, which in this case is nobody of us.
I had case similar to this happening to me, pretty sure and lots of other people did.

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A Game Master resolved your ticket, and left the following response:

Greetings!

Please provide the following information using the form https://eu.battle.net/support/en/help/product/battlenet/316/979/channels

- Your full real name
- Your previous Blizzard account email address
- The new email address that you would like to have registered on the account
- A legible scan or photo of a piece of government-issued photo identification next to your face.

Had leggit photo of Identification, however not next to his face. Tried all, sending pictures from ingame, from almost day 1 i made paladin to last day of when i made him duelist. Was harsh to see that i cannot do anything. But it was my reality at end.
Cheers!
 
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I do still have access to the email that it was registered to. It’s my personal email. There’s got to be other ways to take an account back then if it wasn’t via ID. Secret Answer and question? Also, how come Rogue did a chargeback on Velar? Something just isn’t adding up on multiple levels. Blizzard doesn’t randomly change emails. Please guys…
 
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6/21 - Rogue buys account from Velar (OO)
6/21 - Rogue sells account to Esquireadvisor for 418.68€
6/25 - Account email change sent
6/25 - Negative feedback on Rogue's account

Has anyone contacted support? @Esquireadvisor do you still have access to the email attached to the account?

There’s got to be other ways to take an account back then if it wasn’t via ID. Secret Answer and question?

- I think i replied you answer from battle.net support, contact them your self. I lost my account before one and half years ago! Tried everything, but without any luck. So yes only way to re-cover account is through support, and through you supplying them these informations. Unless your some special person that should deserve some special treatment? hm?

Also, how come Rogue did a chargeback on Velar?

- Reason for that was his inactivity on discord, and i knew after 3 days it would be best idea to do dispute so i can get message from him on discord, this was nothing against person, it was stricly to get his reply. Messages that i sended to staff of me and Velar can confirm that i am saying truth.

Blizzard doesn’t randomly change emails.

- Blizzard not, but some people obviously do.


Now i am done with replying these accusations, no more. I've been quiet nice there. Supplied all informations i had to supply today i have to do some things, then tomorrow i have to travel. From that point i am unvailable for any sort of confirmations or dealings on website! Its my vacation, and i dont look to spend here on website writting with you guys, would appriciate you to respect it, as i have replied all informations i could and i know, wish you all nice rest of weekends, cheers!
 
Mine wasn’t lost. Someone changed my info, and took it. There’s a big difference. You’ve been helpful, to a point. You technically have all our money and we have no accounts or at least I don’t, as it stands right now. However, as friendly as this all is I know that something shady happened because again, blizzard doesn’t just randomly reset emails like that as we have just established. This was an intentional act. When you get a chance look up the concept of “Occams razer”.
 
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If Velar is the original owner, you should be able to recover the account and return it to Esquireadvisor.

One of you needs to contact support
Real owner is identified by name and lastname + id next to his face.
There is no way for him to recover i am 99% sure. I am not from yesterday in this, and since this will go all around, and i can already see it, you will do nothing, i'll close and it, and please do not re-open it
Its just worthless, as much as i wanted it solved it become pain in ass to see thread updates every couple days and to respond every time in best possible way, i am not anymore interrested into trying i see that you dont even understand how wow account transfers work, and how accounts with fake name and lastname does not include owner. So far i had zero issues, but i wont fight anymore for this. This is just so retarded and so pointless for me even to bother with it anymore i wish you all the best lifes but i am out of all this, outcome will be never reached and we will circle this all around... Cheers and goodbye from me.
 
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