False feedback buyer

[buisnessguys]

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https://www.epicnpc.com/feedback/feedback/666520/view

Hello guys, this user name lizzoisskinny, do false feedback to my boosting service. We do for him rating start from low rating after going high rating and told him about all service rules. He take 1800 before rating after 2200 and all this time he spam my discord non stop we told him timeline, but he dont have good english and i dont know how he do any deals. After 2200 rating he going and told me he need 2400 i told its not possible on your server coz not many high skilled teams on this rating, beacuse this dead service. He told refund my money but we do many rowkr before for him and he told refund money he going change deal, in my rules write if you change progress orders rules we dont refund any money, After this he told he transfer his character on other server and we can do on other service. We do double work its more money wwhen we up 2200 on other service its double 2200 he told, and we wait one month transfer. We lose many time and season going to end that why i told him its impossible. He told me every day refund money spam my chats and other stuff. After i check his profile its resseler and its not his account its account other person he sells account and not have communicate. We try to refund 600 usd but we do double work that why we not refund coz people do many work for this person. This man not understand buisness model coz he dont know langueage or other terms. Constantly threatened when more than half the work was done. My service work here 7 years and all people love me and we dont scammer this new User trying lie. if need screenshots i can send here.

 

[EpicNPC CM]

@lizzoisskinny

 

[lizzoisskinny]

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Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

Hello, first I've heard of this Idk how this is false feedback I gave a very honest review/feedback including the very poor communication between myself and this vendor for the services he provided.

this new User trying lie

The Refund he promised was never made, as seen in this screenshot he says the following "Trust me I'm proof man and not a scammer"
The refund was promised by August 31st I have not been refunded anything to date.

In total I paid this user and his players directly about $1500-$1600 for services, I believe the argument is over the $1200.00 spent on my last order that was uncompleted and a refund was voided by the players paypal email he had given me to make the order initially

*Should be noted that he has the buyers pay his players directly, instead of him acting as the middleman and providing the players with the commission made from the sale of the service after the service is completed.

In regards to the supposed spam he was getting "EVERYDAY" is it not in a consumers interest to stay in touch with the vendor in this case about the services he is providing to the consumer? is asking questions or for screenshots relating to the services against my rights as a consumer?

No threats were made, would really like to see what he has to say about me threatening him.

Also I'm not sure what selling my account has to do with all of this but yes, I sold the account these services were purchased for only after he stated he was not going to be able to complete the service, and weeks later promised a refund at 600.00USD agreed upon both by myself and the seller here, this refund still was never made.

incase the moderator staff needs a picture of the discord tag and discord ID to this user I will provide it here below.

Discord Unique ID: 190811497725689857

I believe it very evident with the information I provided nothing more will be needed, but I will continue to keep watching for more updates & wild accusations.

 

[buisnessguys]

I come home in 2-3 hours and send all dialogue.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

@lizzoisskinny

Sorry for even having to ask, is this dispute for "False Buyer Feedback?" I find it very weird this is the title of the dispute thread and he is able to describe the interaction of these sales between himself & the consumer-(myself).

If it's intention is to validate the "False Buyer Feedback?" accusation, but he can describe the basis of the transactions in detail in is opening argument, doesn't this confirm that there was proof of an attempt of sale between the consumer & Vendor? I am not sure if I need to even continue replying here.
I have given the vendor a 2/5 feedback score, and do not wish to change my review. (Atleast until the agreed upon refunded amount is met)

If it's intention is to validate the "Refund agreed between both parties"
I have not received this refund 4-5 weeks after it was promised by the vendor, beginning to think I will never get this refund.

 

[buisnessguys]

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buddy, I haven’t had time to give an answer yet, are you in a hurry somewhere ?, I will prepare all the information for moderation now and we will continue the conversation, about the same hastily you spammed my Discord.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

I haven’t had time to give an answer yet

SAME...

are you in a hurry somewhere ?

Nope, not in a hurry. just waiting for you to post whatever it is that you think validates this dispute.

 

[buisnessguys]

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Sorry for such a long response. To begin with, a person added to my Discord and began a conversation with me on the topic of rating. As stated by the EPIC NPC rule, all dialogs are relevant on the site under the original name of the user. This is done in order to avoid scams on both sides. Therefore, a certain Cable, having added to me, asked if he could start ordering in 3 weeks, to which we answered him if there were free teams. Three weeks later, he returned to us, we fulfilled his order and said time and did everything on the current server. Then he said let's have more and more. I said well and here some not clear things have already begun. First one price time and the rest. Then the delay in payment and the season goes, then the person thinks that the ladder does not grow in the rating, and he demands a refund at a time when a large amount of work has been done. My team is shocked by this. You yourself understand that no one will work like that. Then the person is waiting for the transfer this month we are waiting for him. That is, he does not pay any additional funds for the fact that we again do everything from scratch. And says return then funds. I tried to refund some amount. But after calculating the costs of double work, I realized that this was unrealistic. Plus, the customer spammed me every day. He does not understand the mechanic of the game and does not understand that there can be situations when anti-teams come across. He needs to be here now, this does not happen. I had doubts when a person threatened to return the funds, since by returning the amount to him he could withdraw the rest of which he paid, and I could get into an awkward situation. So I can't do that. Moreover, I use my colleague's Paypal and I do not intend to cause problems, Paypal is banned in Russia, so I use London and the United States to withdraw. The man initially violated everything he asked. He started saying I was changing my work nickname. Everyone knows me I for 6-7 years I do not change any of my data I always do everything for the client.It seems to me that a person who writes is not who he is at all. Since in the discord one on the Epic NPC is the other.

 

[buisnessguys]

add more screenshots

 

[buisnessguys]

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During the transaction, the person began to compare prices, this is not correct with at least other services. Although we discussed one he changed the deal on another. People will not work for free all this knows. Any change is money, they just won't understand me and stop working with me. This customer refused to understand these things. I'm always honest with clients and I never do a bad thing for them. Refund for what? for the double work, we already made concessions. All the deals being done here on EPIC NPC man kept spamming me in the discord every hour every day without stopping. To threaten me with a refund, I understand it profitably since a person has found an option cheaper. A person is a resseler and apparently they began to tighten his deadlines, but these are not my problems. We all discussed initially, but then he began to make changes.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

To threaten me with a refund

kind of already knew this was going to be the "threat" he was speaking about...
Something as a buyer of services rendered uncompleted, I am still capable of doing.

Let's get back on track though, your dispute is about false feedback!
Not sure what you plan to achieve here other then waste the time of moderator's/admin's that handle these disputes.

*It's pretty simple, if you don't like my honest review/feedback on the services you offer. I will not change my review/feedback on the services you offer until the refund that you promised and I agreed upon is met.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

but then he began to make changes.

You keep speaking on changes through out the order, no changes were made that the seller(Yourself) didn't already agree on or even say no to.

 

[buisnessguys]

You have been told more than once the word no and this does not suit you. You yourself knew what you were going to, I understand that you are looking for benefits for your client. To be honest, the first time I meet this kind of client, which threatens to change the conditions during the transaction and gives comparisons of other services, you yourself generally understand that you have been rated on two servers and that it is worth the money that you paid, you did not even agree on a deal in the EPIC NPC private window and now you want to put me in an uncomfortable situation

 

[buisnessguys]

If you are trying to justify what good you are here, then follow the rules of the deal and do not change them during the course, threatening that you will make a return. This is at least not competent. The accounts of my friends through which I withdraw funds may suffer from you, you are already questioning everything that happens. If you want to make money in this way, this is not for my service. I have everything on this. I have been here for 6 years and I have never had any problems with clients. The administration will decide how best, good luck to you in such transactions in which you behave the most incorrectly, and then try to fool the services that are more than you here. It is probably worth thinking if we were a bad service, we would not work here.

 

[EpicNPC CM]

How much of the order was completed?

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

How much of the order was completed?

0-2200 was completed sir, I paid the seller $1200 for 0-Gladiator (Gladiator cutoff was 2748CR for S4 of TBC classic)

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

How much of the order was completed?

https://check-tbc.fr/cutoffs here is a link which provides the end of the season cutoffs.

 

[buisnessguys]

We do 2000 rating one server and 2180 on other server

 

[buisnessguys]

That why double work

 

[buisnessguys]

And we dont talk when start order about 2700 and title he change this when order in progress. Or he told refund) just funny

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

That why double work

you keep saying double the work, but I paid you for the initial 0-2000 rating service this was completed not sure why you keep bringing it up.

This completed order should not even matter but I provided info for the 1st purchase made to this vendor anyways, the dispute corresponds with the $1200 payment which you ultimately failed to complete and failed to provide a refund for.

How much of the order was completed?

*In total I have spent $1500 with this user & his team of players, first order (Picture below)was completed without issues, $1200 was paid for the user & his team to complete 2000-gladiator service which was uncompleted at 2200 rating.

A refund was promised by the seller for the amount of $600 in the following weeks I still have never got it. (Picture below)

 

[buisnessguys]

in general, the situation is this, a person asks for one thing then asks for a gladiator and a transfer, but he does not think that the team's rating is reset during the transfer. yes, we promised the volume of work which we did doubly, and did not return the funds. Since the client is insane and still wanted to make a return. I don't want to take that risk, and yes we were talking about 2400 after the 2200 we provided, but then the person started talking about the gladiator, and said if we don't make a title I will make a refund. So this is the attitude of this person. Most annoying is that such people want to be right in the eyes of others.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

in general, the situation is this, a person asks for one thing then asks for a gladiator and a transfer, but he does not think that the team's rating is reset during the transfer. yes, we promised the volume of work which we did doubly, and did not return the funds. Since the client is insane and still wanted to make a return. I don't want to take that risk, and yes we were talking about 2400 after the 2200 we provided, but then the person started talking about the gladiator, and said if we don't make a title I will make a refund. So this is the attitude of this person. Most annoying is that such people want to be right in the eyes of others.

Even with all of the chat screenshots your story is conflicting, even myself can see this.

I want you to remember you opened this dispute, called me the liar in your initial post claiming I made false feedback, and this...

Since the client is insane

you have zero business ethics, you're full of excuses even through out the order itself, and insult your customer.
If you were studying business communications you would have failed.

All this for a false feedback dispute, which was hardly false.

 

[buisnessguys]

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If you had written at the beginning that you needed a GLADIATOR, then we would have solved this issue. But you didn't know what you wanted. And my service did double work, plus we waited for weeks or even a whole month while you resolved the issues. Our business was idle, it's cool that you are such a person who wants to solve the situation in his favor, and even write nasty things about Our service that we deceive. We went to your wishes but considering the work we decided not to make a return, since the conditions were originally different. On two different characters, you received a rating. We calculated how much it costs and therefore did not make you any returns. Initially, you had to write a private message that you need a GLADIATOR on EPIC NPC not in a discord, you did not do this, and then when YOU started to squeeze the deadlines, you decided to make a return, this is not correct. PO past this you decided to leave me a bad feedback. Of course, I understand your upset, but you yourself initially did not specify the numbers some became others.

 

[buisnessguys]

Look at our activity of the service and how many accounts we sell, how much work we have done to people and they are all satisfied. You have some problems, and you decided to leave us bad reviews. Your mistake is that you need to initially raise a question, and not change or say that you had no choice. I already made concessions to you cheaper than others because you were impudent. With respect to the administration, this is my last message in this dispute, a decision on your side of EPIC NPC. Thank you for your time, I will appreciate your decision, and I will no longer contact this type of customer. It will be a lesson for me.

 

[EpicNPC CM]

In these situations, the easiest way to resolve this is just a refund for the amount of work that wasn't completed. Ex: Boost 70% completed would mean 30% refund

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

In these situations, the easiest way to resolve this is just a refund for the amount of work that wasn't completed. Ex: Boost 70% completed would mean 30% refund

I am ok with this if the seller is ok with this.

 

[buisnessguys]

Im not ok coz, i refund 30 percent. He can write paypal and moneyback 1200 usd easy and ban my paypal on each month, i know and have situation when this happens. He now take 30 percent after he do bank message and he take easy more money. And you dont help me in this situation.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

In these situations, the easiest way to resolve this is just a refund for the amount of work that wasn't completed. Ex: Boost 70% completed would mean 30% refund

How should I proceed if the seller is not willing to cooperate and refuses to agree upon any sort of a refund?

 

[EpicNPC CM]

@buisnessguys im not saying to refund 30% specifically, it was an example.

What percentage of the services were completed?

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

@buisnessguys im not saying to refund 30% specifically, it was an example.

What percentage of the services were completed?

Seller has been online a few times since you have asked this question and seems to be avoiding the question.
About 80% of the order was completed.

 

[buisnessguys]

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I think the buyer is rushing everyone. About the same way he spammed discords, for this money he got all the work. If he doesn’t like what he has on two servers with 2080 and 2200 ratings, and he still wants a gladiator in such situations, and scares us with a paypal refund, this is his problem. If I didn't answer here at the right time for him, it doesn't mean that I'm avoiding the administration. It seems to me that it is time to close the issue with a person who has been here for one year and is trying in every possible way to earn money on returns. I'm not afraid of negative feedback really, I did all the work for the money. It's up to you to decide, this type of people will be justified for a long time). Thank you for your time, I can continue my work with my audience that respects me?

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

Lol, do you not understand how self conflicting your story is?
If that were the case why offer a refund at 50% that you still have not even paid a dollar of.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

@buisnessguys im not saying to refund 30% specifically, it was an example.

What percentage of the services were completed?

Should be noted that all payments were made via Friends & Family method, so I'm not sure what or why he is so worried about a chargeback or whatever it is he is even speaking of.

 

[buisnessguys]

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You didn't get refund, just because we did more than we needed to, if at the beginning we were ready to give you a refund, then you got refused because we spent more than we needed. This is an endless conversation, with a dude who wants to prove the opposite to me, while still laughing at my service, well, if you are not satisfied with the work, why do you continue to pay, go where you are cheaper, I really do not understand this conversation. For 6 years I have offered people a different solution to the issue, I will not have anything else to do with you, write anything choosing individual
Infinitely dialogue from the discord.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

just because we did more

More I paid you for this service, was completed without issue the service in question is the one I paid $1200 for, which you failed to complete.

It's all right there in the picture.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

Why don't you reply to the dispute admin who is asking your the question directly?

 

[buisnessguys]

@buisnessguys im not saying to refund 30% specifically, it was an example.

What percentage of the services were completed?

That why i told bro he refund all money now, usually scammer

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

That why i told bro he refund all money now, usually scammer

you made it clear you don't plan to refund anything, and don't care about your feedback when you opened the dispute.
Not sure what to tell you dude.

You failed to complete the order, promised a refund I waited weeks for never issued a dollar of the refund.

 

[buisnessguys]

We do all for your coz we do double work, on two service you refund all money. That why we dont refund coz we do more. We dont do glad coz you change servers, and other terms. That why we not refund. You told all time about glad coz you change terms, i dont do free work.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

We do all for your coz we do double work, on two service you refund all money. That why we dont refund coz we do more. We dont do glad coz you change servers, and other terms. That why we not refund. You told all time about glad coz you change terms, i dont do free work.

Go use the $300 I didn't refund to buy an English literature class.

 

[buisnessguys]

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Cool you came up with a dude, changed the deal, initially did not say that you need a gladiator, then you do it as conveniently. They do a double job for you, you also do a refund, insult people who have been here for a long time, you also call them a scammer, I am shocked))), You switch to personalities, with this approach no one will ever return to you, you have to be a fool, what it would be to create. And erase logs in discord))) that funny. Friend do this situation @EpicNPC CM

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

Cool you came up with a dude, changed the deal, initially did not say that you need a gladiator, then you do it as conveniently. They do a double job for you, you also do a refund, insult people who have been here for a long time, you also call them a scammer, I am shocked))), You switch to personalities, with this approach no one will ever return to you, you have to be a fool, what it would be to create. And erase logs in discord))) that funny. Friend do this situation @EpicNPC CM

Hard to understand anything you type here when you can't even form a sentence in English.

 

[buisnessguys]

@EpicNPC CM and yes he spam my profile, non stop comments and feedbacks.

 

[lizzoisskinny]

Banned - evading negative feedback - Qpvp

I'm not afraid of negative feedback really

 

[EpicNPC CM]

As stated before the work that hasn't been completed should be refunded & the work that is done should be paid for.

 

[buisnessguys]

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He did all the work, he changed the terms of the deal, I will not pay a person who has already issued a return of $1,200. The return was provided only if it did not change the work, and erased the logs in the discord. @EpicNPC CM. Plus, he left not one but 3 negative feedbacks. And he spoke very disrespected. We did all the work for that money. I had no business relationship with this person at EPIC NPC. This is a user who was added through the discord, and did not make a deal with me at EPIC NPC. All customers you can see my profile, and there are some positive reviews, conclude with me through private message on EPIC