Account taken back after a month

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

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Anticheat · Nov 23, 2023

I am confused now, never was contacted, before this about any issue, whats up?

Anticheat · Nov 23, 2023

I didn't have any numbers attached to that account, as far as i remember account country is Armenia... and i am not Armenian nor i have number located there.

Anticheat · Nov 23, 2023

Nightqueenallie said:
Link to thread (URL, Epicnpc thread):
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/rog...s-32-exalted-200e-quick.2592848/#post-9276872
Approximate value of item/service: $$225.82 USD (€204.52 EUR); this does not include additions I made to the account in this time.
Date the problem began: 11/23/2023
Show proof of payment (screenshot):
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Describe the problem:
4 hours ago I can no longer log into the account I purchased from this user. The fact that they were able to take the account past a phone number as well as authenticator means that this user personally took it back by making a ticket using information he never wanted to give me.

Here's the discord chat I had with him too just in-case he decides to delete it all.
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Here you can find information about our Dispute rules and how we investigate disputes.
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/90442-Dispute-FORUM-RULES

Also you can confirm that i wasn't main owner of it, as i told you aswell, i've shared all info, and told i wasn't original owner, so not sure why ur pointing fingers directly with me, when u could disccuss issue with me.

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

Anticheat said:
Also you can confirm that i wasn't main owner of it, as i told you aswell, i've shared all info, and told i wasn't original owner, so not sure why ur pointing fingers directly with me, when u could disccuss issue with me.

You never disclosed that it wasn't your account. You only said this:

Searching "owner" in the chat reveals nothing as well.

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

Link said:
If Trade Guardian was used, go to your trade guardian history in the transaction section and click report.

The general rule though:

If Trade Guardian was used, please go to the Trade Guardian > History or Active Transaction page and click the "Report" button. Someone will then join the chat and investigate your claim.

This section is only open for disputees and staff. If myself or anticheat didn't do anything to you then you should not be commenting here.

Anticheat · Nov 23, 2023

Nightqueenallie said:
You never disclosed that it wasn't your account. You only said this:

Searching "owner" in the chat reveals nothing as well.

It never suggested you it was my account, as far as i remember you asked for informations, and i said i'll check if i have it, since i have that account for awhile now. I nowhere confirmed i was owner and that could be indication for you that i was not "owner" which you knew, but you play dumb now i see whats up...

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

Anticheat said:
It never suggested you it was my account, as far as i remember you asked for informations, and i said i'll check if i have it, since i have that account for awhile now. I nowhere confirmed i was owner and that could be indication for you that i was not "owner" which you knew, but you play dumb now i see whats up...

It's literally in the forum rules to tell me if you're not the original account owner when you are selling. Unless you state otherwise it is automatically assumed that you are the owner.

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

Anticheat · Nov 23, 2023

Account was totaly fine when it was in my possesion, and i obviously and clearly stated
"its an old account, and its in my possesion for a longer time now"

Which means in other words account is not on me! If it was i wouldn't say such thing, god man. You troll me? i've used that account for awhile never had single issue, and now you started accussing me. Couldn't care less for 200€ i've spended much more on account, i've tried to search for you identification, and couldn't find it, cause i never recieved it obviously.You agreed with not getting identification, why u blame me for your own problem. You should have thinked about it before, i am sorry. But i really dont know what you expect to happen from this? Money is given awhile ago, you could change email and do whatsoever. I'll never know, and this is to complex to disccuss any further. You should have look for more safe account, and something like this wouldn't happen to you.
Again i am sorry. but this is out of my hands. I've searched for Armenian guy with who i did this trade but idk where it is. I know he was armenian guy living in Russia or some thing. However it was a long time ago, and i lost contact with him. Incase i find it, i'll send you him. Thats the best i can assist with.

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

Anticheat said:
Account was totaly fine when it was in my possesion, and i obviously and clearly stated
"its an old account, and its in my possesion for a longer time now"

Which means in other words account is not on me! If it was i wouldn't say such thing, god man. You troll me? i've used that account for awhile never had single issue, and now you started accussing me. Couldn't care less for 200€ i've spended much more on account, i've tried to search for you identification, and couldn't find it, cause i never recieved it obviously.You agreed with not getting identification, why u blame me for your own problem. You should have thinked about it before, i am sorry. But i really dont know what you expect to happen from this? Money is given awhile ago, you could change email and do whatsoever. I'll never know, and this is to complex to disccuss any further. You should have look for more safe account, and something like this wouldn't happen to you.
Again i am sorry. but this is out of my hands. I've searched for Armenian guy with who i did this trade but idk where it is. I know he was armenian guy living in Russia or some thing. However it was a long time ago, and i lost contact with him. Incase i find it, i'll send you him. Thats the best i can assist with.

The site staff are, again, going to ask you to handle this as it's, again, in the rules. It's your duty to help get the account back or refund. You failed to clearly state that you were not the original owner of the account. This is not my problem either, this is your problem. You're the one selling clear as day insecure accounts.

When I sell accounts I give 100% access and never give it a second thought. If it's 2nd hand owned I flat out say so either in messages or on the thread. You did neither. You basically sold an account I would have no hope in being able to secure. The only way the account could have been taken back from me would be a previous owner a.k.a original email or someone that withheld vital information upon the sale, information I asked for and information that's mandatory according to the rules for sellers. Both situations of course fall onto the individual that made the sale. You.

Anticheat · Nov 23, 2023

Nightqueenallie said:
The site staff are, again, going to ask you to handle this as it's, again, in the rules. It's your duty to help get the account back or refund. You failed to clearly state that you were not the original owner of the account. This is not my problem either, this is your problem. You're the one selling clear as day insecure accounts.

When I sell accounts I give 100% access and never give it a second thought. If it's 2nd hand owned I flat out say so either in messages or on the thread. You did neither. You basically sold an account I would have no hope in being able to secure. The only way the account could have been taken back from me would be a previous owner a.k.a original email or someone that withheld vital information upon the sale, information I asked for and information that's mandatory according to the rules for sellers. Both situations of course fall onto the individual that made the sale. You.

You control what people will have to tell me lol.

Anyways from cash you wont see nothing, staff can say what they want ofcourse, but i am stating you that now. I've mentioned that account is for awhile in my possesion which clearly states i am not owner of account, idk what exactly you needed more, what should have i stated hey account is my and i cannot give you my identity cause i dont have it anymore? ta fak? I've mentioned to you

Also you said "Hmm that's fine. Does it have any security questions or anything else?"

Kumisnami — 08/10/2023 18:32
Hmm that's fine. Does it have any security questions or anything else?
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Anticheat — 08/10/2023 18:32
its an old account, and its in my possesion for a longer time now
[18:32]
i just dont have time to play on it anymore
[18:32]
as i am getting baby, and i already main my pala
[18:32]
so rogue is a bit much work for me
[18:33]
hmi believe i dont sec

Pretty sure i was clear, and you understood that account doesn't belong to me, it is your issue that you dont follow what was being said in conversation. I'll be waiting for response of staff, incase they do it in your favor, please ban me, as i clearly did all i was supposed to do. I am sorry issue happened, i've mentioned to him that i cannot find details to him, he agreed with that, its his problem. I cannot aceppt any type of refunds or anything as he could change details him self, and play this to get money and account back... all the best! I am out.

Anticheat · Nov 23, 2023

Anticheat said:
You control what people will have to tell me lol.

Anyways from cash you wont see nothing, staff can say what they want ofcourse, but i am stating you that now. I've mentioned that account is for awhile in my possesion which clearly states i am not owner of account, idk what exactly you needed more, what should have i stated hey account is my and i cannot give you my identity cause i dont have it anymore? ta fak? I've mentioned to you

Also you said "Hmm that's fine. Does it have any security questions or anything else?"

Kumisnami — 08/10/2023 18:32
Hmm that's fine. Does it have any security questions or anything else?

Anticheat — 08/10/2023 18:32
its an old account, and its in my possesion for a longer time now

[18:32]
i just dont have time to play on it anymore

[18:32]
as i am getting baby, and i already main my pala

[18:32]
so rogue is a bit much work for me

[18:33]
hmi believe i dont sec

Pretty sure i was clear, and you understood that account doesn't belong to me, it is your issue that you dont follow what was being said in conversation. I'll be waiting for response of staff, incase they do it in your favor, please ban me, as i clearly did all i was supposed to do. I am sorry issue happened, i've mentioned to him that i cannot find details to him, he agreed with that, its his problem. I cannot aceppt any type of refunds or anything as he could change details him self, and play this to get money and account back... all the best! I am out.

main pala that is also on sale due to no free time for all.

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

Anticheat said:
You control what people will have to tell me lol.

Anyways from cash you wont see nothing, staff can say what they want ofcourse, but i am stating you that now. I've mentioned that account is for awhile in my possesion which clearly states i am not owner of account, idk what exactly you needed more, what should have i stated hey account is my and i cannot give you my identity cause i dont have it anymore? ta fak? I've mentioned to you

Also you said "Hmm that's fine. Does it have any security questions or anything else?"

Kumisnami — 08/10/2023 18:32
Hmm that's fine. Does it have any security questions or anything else?

Anticheat — 08/10/2023 18:32
its an old account, and its in my possesion for a longer time now

[18:32]
i just dont have time to play on it anymore

[18:32]
as i am getting baby, and i already main my pala

[18:32]
so rogue is a bit much work for me

[18:33]
hmi believe i dont sec

Pretty sure i was clear, and you understood that account doesn't belong to me, it is your issue that you dont follow what was being said in conversation. I'll be waiting for response of staff, incase they do it in your favor, please ban me, as i clearly did all i was supposed to do. I am sorry issue happened, i've mentioned to him that i cannot find details to him, he agreed with that, its his problem. I cannot aceppt any type of refunds or anything as he could change details him self, and play this to get money and account back... all the best! I am out.

If I made this dispute it is clear as day that I did not know that the account didn't belong to you.
I own A LOT of old Blizzard accounts. Just stating it's been in your possession for a long time doesn't indicate that you weren't the original owner. You need to clearly state that you were not the original owner.

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

Heck for arguments sake I can say I have owned this epicnpc account for a long time. 9 years to be exact.

That doesn't indicate that I am the original owner of this account or not because I didn't state that I am. Now, the mods know I am since I used a real ID. But you as an individual wouldn't know that unless I told you. You would just assume that I am. Just like I assumed that you were based off the information I was given as well as your wording.

Anticheat · Nov 23, 2023

Nightqueenallie said:
If I made this dispute it is clear as day that I did not know that the account didn't belong to you.
I own A LOT of old Blizzard accounts. Just stating it's been in your possession for a long time doesn't indicate that you weren't the original owner. You need to clearly state that you were not the original owner.

Sorry i didn't mention it so you can super duper understand it, even english is your first language, and you should have had, but you still wont get cash back mate.

Also https://www.epicnpc.com/feedback/feedback/213859/view proves alot about ya mate.

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

Anticheat said:
Sorry i didn't mention it so you can super duper understand it, even english is your first language, and you should have had, but you still wont get cash back mate.

Also https://www.epicnpc.com/feedback/feedback/213859/view proves alot about ya mate.

And your point? That review about me was made during a forum migration and a lot of users, including myself, were locked out of our accounts. After 2 years I was finally able to log in. @EpicNPC can verify that as I annoying the living hell out of him for years about it.

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

There's a time period in which a person can respond. Since I was unfortunately locked out of my account I couldn't respond which meant he won his case.

Anticheat · Nov 23, 2023

Nightqueenallie said:
There's a time period in which a person can respond. Since I was unfortunately locked out of my account I couldn't respond which meant he won his case.

Its even worse man, you vouched for someone, and your trying to remove your self from any consequences. I was seller of account, but i never gived you any vouch or any type of positive/negative about account i said i was in possesion of account for awhile, and that i cannot supply ID as i dont have it. You agreed with all info, and i cannot comply with your current request. You agreed on all terms when you were paying. When you either way wanted to continue with transaction, sorry but i believe you dont understand it, cant waste more time here, let staff say what they have, so we finish with it...

Nightqueenallie · Nov 23, 2023

Anticheat said:
Its even worse man, you vouched for someone, and your trying to remove your self from any consequences. I was seller of account, but i never gived you any vouch or any type of positive/negative about account i said i was in possesion of account for awhile, and that i cannot supply ID as i dont have it. You agreed with all info, and i cannot comply with your current request. You agreed on all terms when you were paying. When you either way wanted to continue with transaction, sorry but i believe you dont understand it, cant waste more time here, let staff say what they have, so we finish with it...

You're quoting something that happened 6 years ago that you have no information on and has absolutely nothing to do with what is currently happening. The individual I vouched for was a friend for about a year. He then started claiming that I was his sister and I couldn't defend my case as I was locked out as mentioned several times. Even took back an account I purchased (much like you just did). You'll even notice how all of his accounts are banned and I am not.

Either refund me or help me get the account I purchased back. You are in no position to say no to both.

Anticheat · Nov 23, 2023

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Nightqueenallie · Nov 24, 2023

Anticheat said:
First of all you didn't contact me to try resolve issue you went directly here, and put accusations, even i said what i said in our conversation u expect me to help you over something i previously said that i cannot find identification for that account, no refunds willl be made for this purchase as it happened awhile ago, also i can assist but you removed me from friends on discord, not sure what help you exactly seek for...

Doesn't matter if it happened 2 years ago. You are the one that sold the account. Please refer to the sites selling rules; specifically the thread sale guidelines.
You did not disclose that you were not the first owner; you simply said it was an old account and you were not sure you had the information used on creation which I understood that happens. I have old accounts that still use my yahoo email I made when I was a kid and I no longer have access to. However, if you stated that you were not the owner I would not have purchased the account due to safety concerns.

Also the only way someone would be able to reclaim an account past an authenticator + phone number would be by having all of the information I requested upon purchase. No one was allowed on the account during the time of my purchase. The only people with previous access to the account that I knew of prior to me making this thread was you. Hence the accusation. But since you finally stated you are not the original owner of this account it is either you or the OG owner. Now I have no way to prove which one of you did it, but all I know is that one of you did as you can not physically log on without the authenticator and only way around that, again, is with the information I requested but never got.

So either;
A) You withheld the information I requested, just like you did with ownership status.
B) The OG owner decided after all of this time they wanted the account back and I was unfortunately the one who now owned an unsecure account.

Nightqueenallie · Nov 24, 2023

Just got confirmation I can not regain access to the account in question via a ticket so the only possible option is a refund, which Anticheat just refused to do twice.

Anticheat · Nov 24, 2023

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Anticheat · Nov 24, 2023

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Anticheat · Nov 24, 2023

also new update found his epicnpc profile: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/eu-...e-4864-gs-229-ilvl-transferable-250€.2433111/

Nightqueenallie · Nov 24, 2023

@optimalpareto Can you please respond as to if you are the OG owner of the account in question and if you took back access to it after selling it off.

Angel · Nov 24, 2023

@optimalpareto

Angel · Nov 26, 2023

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Angel · Nov 27, 2023

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