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JohnP2012

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I traded Samk123 which is his username on this site an account through another site. Traded his mage for my Shaman account. His aim is Sam_Kyle

He now has that Same Shaman account posted for trade on this site. The mage was recalled around the same time he posted the Shaman up for trade, I am posting logs of our convo where he thinks it is funny that the mage is recalled and feels he can freely trade an account here that he KNOWS is getting recalled.

His post on the shaman is http://www.epicnpc.com/wow-usa-accounts-trading/447296-85-shaman-lots-vanity-spectral-tiger-mount.html

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Ive asked for him to return the shaman to me, since the account he traded me obviously wasn't a secure account.

He claims he has multiple accounts and that losing this one won't matter, so just let this be a warning to the users on this site, do NOT do business with this kid, he is trouble and that Shaman account won't be up for trade long.
 
Banned - failed to resolve scam thread - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/447472-account-recalled-samk123.html
My argument against this.

Ok well to start this off. I really hope you don't believe this. For the period of time i had the mage i had no trouble with it. I had no dissconnections i had no password changes i had no email changes i had no emails from blizzard with any disturbing news of any kind and that leads me to believe that it was you that did something to compromise the security of the account not me. Also i would like to point out to you that i don't have the mage. The mage was never recalled by me and i am not in possession of it. Regards to the point where i say i have multiple accounts i don't understand why this has to be brought in as part of your accusation? It doesn't have anything to do with your account being recalled by someone other than me.

I also like the fact that the one part of the conversation you post is the one part where i get fed up with you accusing me of recalling when i did no such thing. I don't understand how i would have even been able to recall the account as i am not the original owner. From my recollection ( please correct me if i am wrong ) but blizzard tracks ips and is able to tell when there is a change in the access pattern correct? I don't believe they would have allowed me to recall an account that had an access pattern change from america, all the way to the other side of the world New Zealand without any sort of paper or identification emailed through to their support department. Also i don't understand why you said " lol your a ****ing retard, chat logs will be posted on EPICNPC dont count on trading that shammy lol" If you had really asked for it i would have called blizzard and had a try at recalling the mage account to give to you and we would all be happy. But the first thing i find is the fact that i don't have access to the shaman anymore because you have said you had recalled it and that you now needed to "go get a singed notary of the public and all kinds of ****...i have to go to a public office, have my ID scanned signed by a notary of the public, mail it and wait for Blizzard to process it". Ok last time i checked that was not how you got an account back but please correct me if i am wrong on any of this.

You also have 3 posts on this site and 0 rep and when i brought this up in the conversation that it was a risk for me trading with you in the first place i said "you had no rep and you are just a random that is probably trying to scam me" to which i got "lol well we will see, making a nice little thread about you on EPIC NPC, then when you trade the shammy account and it gets recalled Ill have all the rep i need" - So you are saying that by posting this thread and calling me out to something i didn't do that the EpicNPC public is suddenly going to glorify you into giving you rep? That doesn't seem very real. Sorry but i wont be trading the shaman account anymore, i really don't see the point in trading an account that you have recalled and then i really would be scamming someone.
" the recovery process has been submitted on the Shaman will also be doing a charge back on the mage, so both will be locked down by morning" So you are going to get both accounts banned? that seems a little illogical seeing that i don't have an account anymore and you will either have the shaman there and playable or you are going to have it banned so you don't have an account? Either way i am without either the mage account or the shaman account so I don't really understand why you are saying that i am going to trade an account i dont have. Also in regards to this, when a mod reads this please delete the shaman trade thread as i don't have the account anymore.

In summary i don't really understand why this is my fault i had no problems with it and you were told when i traded you the account that i wasn't the original owner you seemed fine with it. I told you that i was going to trade the account and when you find the thread you seem somehow surprised? Why would i scam an account off you and then proceed to post a thread about trading that same account? that seems really stupid to be honest. So either way that you decide to retrieve your account you will either have no shaman and i will have no mage. Or you will have your shaman and i will have no mage. Either way i lose.

That's really all i have to say to be honest, you claim that you have recalled the account so you now have the shaman and i don't have a mage? so really this all went in your favour, when i did nothing wrong, i never stopped being in contact with you, i added you to aim i added you to skype you had my email address in case i wasn't able to get on either aim or skype and then i come home to this thread posted about me with a bunch of messages on my aim calling me a " ****ing retarded kid " so i was more stunned by this than anybody. You can believe him if you wish that's for you too decide i am not making anybody trade with me i'm not forcing anyone to believe what i said here and i will be cancelling the shaman account trade when you said to me "you realise whatever you trade for it is just gonna get recalled, so why waste your time" i never claimed that i would still trade this and this was the first i had ever heard of this recall. I wouldn't of made the effort to upload this message if i had scammed you, -- theoretically -- i would have taken the mage and the shaman and been on my merry way correct? why would i bother taking the account and then try to continue trading scammed accounts? im not an idiot, i'm not a "retarded ****ing kid" and most of all i am certainly not a scammer.

Cheers.
 
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All I wanted was for you to NOT be able to trade that Shaman account on this site, because unlike you I do not trade accounts that get recalled. You traded me a mage, 9 days later its recalled and you won't give me my shaman account back.

As I said earlier when I talked to you on AIM, All I want is my account back since I no longer have the mage, you said good luck with that.

sam kyle
Faking a blizzard email and 5 minutes is not of any difficulty at all.
No im not giving you ****. You act like im some child that you are better than. accuse me of recalling when im not the original owner. and then you act like you are somehow better than me? no if you want it then just recall it. enjoy

You can check the links I posted, I also offered to forward you the emails I got today about the recovery process on the Mage account, you wouldn't take them.

As long as you can't turn around and trade that Shaman account Im perfectly fine with you, just don't wanna see you pulling anymore crap on people.
 
Banned - failed to resolve scam thread - http://www.epicnpc.com/scammers/447472-account-recalled-samk123.html
I make a rather large post and you post 5 lines? also where i say "I'm not giving you ****" refers to when you said previously "hell yes i recalled the shaman" and throughout the conversation you called me a moron, a retard, a scammer and a kid. What do you mean i wouldnt give you the account back? i don't have it. You said that you recalled it... if you recalled it, it means you have it. I don't think you realise what you're saying do you?
You said you recalled the shaman that's great good for you, how am i going to trade an account that is recalled to you? I'm not... 1. because i'm not a scammer and 2. because you have already recalled it?

It's not my fault if you claim i recalled something, which i probably just due to the fact that you were careless with the account as i had no trouble with it at all and i had it for a longer period of time than you did.
So if you are wanting to stop me from trading an account, where i posted on the thread that everyone that goes to the shaman post should come to this thread to see what i wrote as i have nothing to hide and also where i wrote "THREAD HAS BEEN CLOSED I WILL NOT BE TRADING THIS ACCOUNT". Also you have said that it has been recalled so you would have it then wouldn't you, because i don't and you are trying to stop me trading an account which is in your possession? very good job. Losing the account is not the biggest of deals to me, what is a much larger deal is that you are accusing me of something which i have not done and then proceed to call me offensive names for no reason and without being provoked.

---------- Post added 03-13-2012 at 10:49 PM ----------

Also it's a blatant lie that I have said that I am happily going to trade the account even though i know that it's going to be recalled. Where in those pictures does it say that I am happily going to trade the account even though I know it's going to be recalled. Anyone reading this do not do business with this person he is a blatant lier, I never said I was going to trade the account happily knowing that it was going to be recalled and as of this moment the trade has been taken off. Watch out for this person do not ever trade with him.

---------- Post added 03-13-2012 at 10:51 PM ----------

Also I'm asking you to point out where I say I am going to trade the account with the knowledge of it being recalled. Please point this out to me and stop pulling random facts you think will work In your argument against me out of your ***.
 
samk123 trades mage to JohnP2012 for shaman
mage is recalled
JohnP2012 contacts samk123 and tells him he's recalling shaman



The only proof I see is JohnP2012 contacting samk123 about the recalled mage, and samk123 saying he won't help.

1) JohnP2012, you gave samk123 no chance to resolve this issue. The first thing you said to him was you're recalling your account. That's not how we do things. If the mage was recalled, you should have given him the opprotunity to recover it for you.

2) Im assuming JohnP2012 has already recalled and recovered the shaman. Please confirm.

3) What information was exchanged for the accounts? ID, cd keys, secret q/a?

4) samk123, can you call Blizzard with the info you have and see if you can recover the mage account?


JohnP2012 said:
He claims he has multiple accounts and that losing this one won't matter,
Post proof.
 
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Read through that, he wanted proof it was recalled, I offered he refused. If this site is comfortable with him trading accounts that aren't secure then more power to you. But atleast this way people that think about trading with him will have something to consider.
 
samk123 trades mage to JohnP2012 for shaman
mage is recalled
JohnP2012 contacts samk123 and tells him he's recalling shaman

The notary thing is pointless to discuss as Blizzard does require it in some situations. I'd try recalling the shaman first without it, to save yourself some time, and if they tell you you need it, then go do it.

samk123, a screenshot has been provided of the recall. Unless you can prove it's fake, I will accept it as proof. Why don't you call Blizzard and see what they say? You said you are not he OO, but what info did you receive when you bought or traded for the mage? Why can't you contact the person you got if from to help with recovering it.
 
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Well he has blocked me on AIM, I called in and was able to recover the Shaman. Every single toon on the account was deleted, so restoration is in process now. I just hope no one else has to have this experience in dealing with Samk123.
 
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I deleted all information regarding names email and ticket numbers, but you can see in lower right hand corner thats not an old email or anything of that sort from date and time.

Everything was restored and I have everything back, but deff. was a hassle. But I think the staff here has deff. handled it well and I want to thank you.

Also if possible can the negative feedback I got from samk be removed considering Obviously, I was not the one doing the scamming here.
 
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