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xenophek as failure to disclose account details in listing.

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Seller: xenophek

Listing: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1088682

WoT Account 17 Tier 10's
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Battles: 46,463
Victories: 51.18%
Hit Ratio: 63.34%
Avg. Dmg.: 1,111
Personal Raiting: 6,382
Win8: 1363

79 Ace Tankers
132 Tanks 18 Free Garage Slots

Tanks:

10:
T110e5 | T110e3 | T110e4 | T57 Heavy | E 50 Ausf. M | E 100 | Grille 15 | Jagpanzer E 100 | Obj. 140 | T-62A | IS-4 | IS-7 | FV215b | FV215b (183) | BC 25 T | AMX 50 B | STB-1 |

9:
T54E1 | T95 | E 50 | T 55A | E 75 | Waf. auf pz. IV | Jadtiger | ST-1 | Centurion Mk. 7/1 | Conquerer | AMX 30 1er Prot. | AMX 50 Foch | WZ-111 model 1-4 | T-54 |

Not going to list every Tier way to much typing.

Premiums:


T26e4 | T34 | T28 Concept | T 55A | E 25 | Matilda IV | Rudy | KV-5 | IS-6 | SU-122-44 | Crom B | Type 59 | WZ-111 | T1E6 | T7 Combat Car | T14 | Toldi III |Pz. S35 | Pz. III K | T-45 | Tetrarch | Bt-7 | LTP | T-127 | SU-76l (rare) | Light VIC | Tog II | Amx 13 57 GF | Chi-Nu Kai | L-60 |


Starting Price: €200
Buyout Instant: €500

Contact Via Skype: art.of.xen (name shows as Hobo)

(edit can't seem to add images. see on thread here: http://www.elitepvpers.com/forum/wor...-tier-10s.html )


Seller knew this WoT account is linked with a phone number that is not his own and fail to disclose the detail in his listing.

After seller received payment from buyer, the buyer asked the seller to remove phone number linked to WoT account, then seller mentioned that phone number was not his own.

WoT account password cannot be changed without access to phone number, therefore the account cannot be secured by the buyer nor the seller.

Buyer asked seller to refund payment and seller refused; see SKYPE conversation below:



[3/9/2017 6:16:45 AM] Hobo: Hello
[3/9/2017 6:16:52 AM] Hobo: your interested in my account?
[3/9/2017 8:47:03 AM] que_pasa: Yes, NA server, correct? can u send me some screenshots of crew skills?
[3/9/2017 8:48:17 AM] que_pasa: Battles: 46,463
Victories: 51.18%
Hit Ratio: 63.34%
Avg. Dmg.: 1,111
Personal Raiting: 6,382
Win8: 1363

79 Ace Tankers
132 Tanks 18 Free Garage Slots

Tanks:

10:
T110e5 | T110e3 | T110e4 | T57 Heavy | E 50 Ausf. M | E 100 | Grille 15 | Jagpanzer E 100 | Obj. 140 | T-62A | IS-4 | IS-7 | FV215b | FV215b (183) | BC 25 T | AMX 50 B | STB-1 |

9:
T54E1 | T95 | E 50 | T 55A | E 75 | Waf. auf pz. IV | Jadtiger | ST-1 | Centurion Mk. 7/1 | Conquerer | AMX 30 1er Prot. | AMX 50 Foch | WZ-111 model 1-4 | T-54 |

Not going to list every Tier way to much typing.

Premiums:

T26e4 | T34 | T28 Concept | T 55A | E 25 | Matilda IV | Rudy | KV-5 | IS-6 | SU-122-44 | Crom B | Type 59 | WZ-111 | T1E6 | T7 Combat Car | T14 | Toldi III |Pz. S35 | Pz. III K | T-45 | Tetrarch | Bt-7 | LTP | T-127 | SU-76l (rare) | Light VIC | Tog II | Amx 13 57 GF | Chi-Nu Kai | L-60 |


Starting Price: €200
Buyout Instant: €500

Contact Via Skype: art.of.xen (name shows as Hobo)
[3/10/2017 6:11:39 AM] Hobo: yes its NA, yeah can send screenshots of skills
[3/10/2017 6:26:05 AM] Hobo: theres a few
[3/10/2017 6:26:18 AM] Hobo: most crews are 3+ skills on 95% the tanks on the acc
[3/10/2017 9:10:39 AM] que_pasa: 200eu?
[3/10/2017 9:10:45 AM] que_pasa: paypal?
[3/10/2017 3:29:12 PM] Hobo: yeah that works for me
[3/10/2017 3:29:58 PM] Hobo: my paypal is [email protected]
[3/10/2017 5:56:50 PM] que_pasa: payment sent... login info plz.
[3/11/2017 8:08:46 AM] Hobo: info is xxxxxxx
[3/11/2017 8:08:55 AM] Hobo: pass is : xxxxxxxx
[3/11/2017 9:43:25 AM]que_pasa: what is the pw for email account? I assume email account ownership comes with purchase of WoT account for security.
[3/11/2017 11:13:59 AM] que_pasa: Phone number is linked to the WoT account, please remove the phone number
[3/11/2017 11:15:07 AM] que_pasa: if you want to change the email linked to WoT account before removing the phone number, let me know.
[3/11/2017 11:15:35 AM] que_pasa: I will give you the email address to link to WoT account.
[5:13:14 AM] Hobo: is not my phone number or email linked as i bought the acc too. but never had issue with it i just changed pass. thanks
[5:14:06 AM] Hobo: can try to get support to change for you, i never tried
[6:47:07 AM] que_pasa: If I do not have full access to email account associated with WoT account, I cannot fully control; the WoT account. You should have disclosed that in the EpicNPC listing. Send refund to my PayPal immediately; I do not want the WoT account that I cannot fully control.
[8:59:10 AM] Hobo: you never asked if i had the email acess. you have as much control as i did. and you bought as is. thanks
[12:55:44 PM] que_pasa: EpicNPC listing require full control of the account for sale.
[12:57:11 PM] que_pasa: You failed to disclosed details that you knew in your listing that's defrauding buyer.
[12:58:58 PM] que_pasa: You response will be forwarded to Paypal, and you will lose the payment regardless and likely get banned from EpicNPC for defrauding buyer with your listing.
 
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Banned - Failed to resolve - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/failure-to-payback-loan-and-ignores-my-messages.2090927/
What next?
Does seller get banned?
should I get a refund?

Need to give seller a chance to reply. Unfortunately the refund is up to PayPal you would have to open a dispute. Yes the seller will get banned if he doesn't fix this issue as he should have disclosed this information in his listing.
 
Need to give seller a chance to reply. Unfortunately the refund is up to PayPal you would have to open a dispute. Yes the seller will get banned if he doesn't fix this issue as he should have disclosed this information in his listing.

Zero communication from seller since 11 MAR 2017 as SKYPE session included in my first post in this thread.
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1098032-xenophek-as-failure-to-disclose-account-details-in-listing/page2
I sold the account the same way it was when i bought it "As Is" he never asked for details before he paid for it or I would have gladly told him as you can see from the chats he posted he never bothered. I gave the into i was given when i bought it and never had issues.
 
Full disclosure is required when selling an account
 
I sold the account the same way it was when i bought it "As Is" he never asked for details before he paid for it or I would have gladly told him as you can see from the chats he posted he never bothered. I gave the into i was given when i bought it and never had issues.

Failure to disclose that account password cannot be changed by seller nor buyer.. that's fraud.

Now the seller have left negative feedback against buyer because of his failure to disclose important account detail.

Please ban this clown for the good of trading community.
 
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[MENTION=243674]Que_pasa[/MENTION] I have remnoved the negative against you, but also removed one of the 2 you left him. One feedback per transaction. He responded today so if he does not respond by same time tomorrow again he will be banned.
 
Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/1098032-xenophek-as-failure-to-disclose-account-details-in-listing/page2
He has access to change password the same as I did.

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Only thing he cannot change is the email. nor could I. but i never had a problem with it.

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I never withheld information about the account. I gave all the info i was given when i bought it.
 
He has access to change password the same as I did.

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Only thing he cannot change is the email. nor could I. but i never had a problem with it.

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I never withheld information about the account. I gave all the info i was given when i bought it.


Without access to phone number, you cannot change the password to account.

You have to be able to enter the security code received as TXT message to the phone number in order to change password to account.

You have to remove the phone number linked to the account in order to change the password without security code entry.

You failed to disclose that account is linked to a phone number that is not yours.

You failed to disclose that account password cannot be changed by yourself nor the buyer of this account.

You failed to disclose that account email cannot be changed in original listing.

All that information above you knew prior to the sale of the account; failure to disclose these information is fraud.
 
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You have to provide full access to any account you sell here, including being able to change over all the information after sale. If you cannot change passwords or email you cannot sell it as you cannot take full control over account
 
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