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I am going to have to leave this to the mods
i cant really put this in the scammer template provided
so here it goes.
I bought an account that Krik23 supposedly owned before selling to MD username: Pandemiclemley, Aim: Crlemley.
Everything in this transaction was pretty much done with Krik23 and not with pandemiclemley, so i was assuming that krik was taking full responsibility for this account as it was his post that was posted
Original post: http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbth...R_G#Post3137716
A week later after i bought it basically ( i found out yesterday : jan 22, 2010 that the account has been recalled)
This is the aim logs of everything this is dealing with 2 different people THOUGH this transaction was done with krik fully.
This is me and crlemley presale to the shaman:
crlemleylg (5:44:50 PM): has krik got back with you about the shaman yet? i know he's been afk for about an hour and a half now, just noticed you'd posted
Avp gotcha23 (5:45:35 PM): nopers
crlemleylg (5:47:03 PM): i apologize for that then... it's my account and i'm going through him as a reputable seller to handle the transaction/recall guarantees/etc, I'm PandemicLemley in the thread, was the first bump
crlemleylg (5:47:32 PM): hopefully he'll be back on shortly... do you have any questions about the account in the meantime?
Avp gotcha23 (10:51:42 PM): enchancement shaman
crlemleylg (10:52:08 PM): hm?
Avp gotcha23 (10:52:19 PM): Talking to kirk24 currently
Avp gotcha23 (10:52:23 PM): 23*
crlemleylg (10:52:29 PM): ahh great
crlemleylg (10:52:33 PM): glad he finally got back with you
Avp gotcha23 (11:03:29 PM): lol so confused who i should talk to
Avp gotcha23 (11:03:34 PM): your shaman got any vanity gear?
crlemleylg (11:03:55 PM): i was just trying to contact you in his absence to answer any questions -- there was about a two or three hour window there where he wasn't online
crlemleylg (11:04:01 PM): but you can deal directly through him now if you prefer
crlemleylg (11:04:13 PM): it does have t6 and several mounts/titles though, yes
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Avp gotcha23 (2:15:38 PM): Hey bud
crlemleylg (2:16:44 PM): hey
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:15 PM): Kirk seems away
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:23 PM): but i was curious if their is any other offsets
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:25 PM): to the warrior
crlemleylg (2:17:30 PM): warrior?
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:33 PM): im sorry
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:34 PM): shaman
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:35 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:41 PM): 9hr workshift
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:43 PM): that started at 5am
crlemleylg (2:17:45 PM): yeah it's got a pretty solid resto offset
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:45 PM): im tired lol
crlemleylg (2:17:49 PM): you can definitely heal icc with it
crlemleylg (2:17:57 PM): over 5k gs
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:35 PM): ic ic
crlemleylg (2:23:43 PM): are you interested in it?
Avp gotcha23 (2:26:20 PM): yea for the most part
Avp gotcha23 (2:26:24 PM): no pvp gear right
crlemleylg (2:26:29 PM): yeah its got a bit
crlemleylg (2:27:13 PM): not a full set but furious shoulders/legs and some offpieces, enough triumph to get you started buying some more if you want
Avp gotcha23 (2:27:23 PM): fer sure
crlemleylg (2:27:31 PM): also has a couple of pieces for resto
Avp gotcha23 (2:27:37 PM): Whats his GS?
crlemleylg (2:27:44 PM): over 5.2k
crlemleylg (2:28:17 PM): 4 piece triumph t9.5, t10 shoulders and/or toc25 heroic pieces as options too
crlemleylg (2:29:07 PM): very well geared pve toon with alot of achivements and vanity -- it's got all the prereqs for 'what a long strange trip' except for brewmaster, so it will have the albino drake easily
crlemleylg (2:29:26 PM): it's already got the plagued proto 310 speed (no longer obtainable), rivendares, red proto, violet netherdrake
crlemleylg (2:29:30 PM): etc
crlemleylg (2:29:40 PM): amani war bear and some other good grount mounts too
crlemleylg (2:30:28 PM): 450 cooking/fishing/firstaid, 450 jc/enchanting
Avp gotcha23 (2:30:53 PM): anyway i can log in and check it out?
crlemleylg (2:31:13 PM): i've got to leave that up to krik, i'm using him to handle this solely because he knows how to get a legit/safe transaction
crlemleylg (2:31:17 PM): he's back now i believe
crlemleylg (2:32:40 PM): got the ambassador title, exalted with all wotlk factions except kalu'ak and ashen verdict (it's honored with av and already has the greater ring)
Avp gotcha23 (2:34:59 PM): he well know on blackrock
Avp gotcha23 (2:34:59 PM): ?
crlemleylg (2:35:19 PM): i personally am, and my characters use my last name
crlemleylg (2:35:25 PM): ideally i wouldn't want anyone impersonating me
Avp gotcha23 (2:35:37 PM): i mean is the character
crlemleylg (2:35:48 PM): to a degree yes, i'm in vicious cycle
crlemleylg (2:36:09 PM): but i'm the main reason it's well known... i run a business in the gaming industry with a particular penchant for wow ;-)
crlemleylg (2:36:20 PM): i'd be happy to include a name change
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:59 PM): cool cool
crlemleylg (2:53:07 PM): how do you want to do the name change?
Avp gotcha23 (2:53:36 PM): You could go ahead and do it now if you want
Avp gotcha23 (2:53:40 PM): when i send you the money
crlemleylg (2:53:43 PM): k
Avp gotcha23 (2:53:45 PM): im logging out now
Avp gotcha23 (3:05:25 PM): Hey bud
Avp gotcha23 (3:05:29 PM): you pay for the name change?
Avp gotcha23 (3:05:37 PM): or customization
Avp gotcha23 (3:05:42 PM): or /we*
Avp gotcha23 (3:11:36 PM): Hey bud you their?
crlemleylg (3:11:58 PM): hey
crlemleylg (3:12:01 PM): yeah i paid for the name change already
crlemleylg (3:12:09 PM): you have to stay logged out for ~ 30 minutes, according to the site
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:15 PM): oh ok
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:16 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:17 PM): Btw
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:18 PM): how do i dps
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:20 PM): as enchance
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:21 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:33 PM): and windfury on mainhand?
crlemleylg (3:12:35 PM): if my binds carry over, ive got your totems setup and most of your abilities
crlemleylg (3:12:39 PM): in pve put windfury on both
crlemleylg (3:12:46 PM): in pvp put windfury on mh, frostbrand on off
crlemleylg (3:13:00 PM): download shockandawe for pve
crlemleylg (3:13:06 PM): it will literally show you what to cast next
crlemleylg (3:13:26 PM): and help you keep up your rotation, manage earth shock/frost shock, etc
crlemleylg (3:14:01 PM): also, i would probably keep the 4 pc t9.5 bonus until you can get the second piece of t10 --
crlemleylg (3:14:07 PM): the 2 pc t10 bonus is INSANE
crlemleylg (3:14:20 PM): 12% increased damage when shamanistic rage is up, which is every minute
crlemleylg (3:14:39 PM): even better for pvp because it not only makes you harder to kill, makes you rape face
Avp gotcha23 (3:14:46 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:15:55 PM): Which ones you use more .. call of elements?
crlemleylg (3:15:57 PM): ive got my totem bars setup pretty nice for ya... the pve ones are super straightforward, you'll only really use the one set -- bind magma totem to a key (shockandawe will show you when to refresh it)
crlemleylg (3:16:13 PM): i can't remember which was which by name (the name means nothing -- you can edit the totems in each bar)
crlemleylg (3:16:44 PM): but the pvp ones i had one setup for offense, one setup for normal situations/first things i drop, and one setup as kind of an 'oh [censored]' button that gets rid of as much incoming damage as possible
crlemleylg (3:17:16 PM): the offensive pvp ones, when you're trying to go for a kill and don't need cleanse/grounding/tremor, is the totem bar with strength of earth in it
Avp gotcha23 (3:17:38 PM): The setup its at now is Tremor / cleansing / flame / windfury
crlemleylg (3:17:41 PM): the 'oh [censored]' one is the one with only grounding and stone in it,
crlemleylg (3:17:46 PM): that's the general one
crlemleylg (3:17:59 PM): most commonly dropped/one you can start out with in arena (assuming you're in the pvp spec, atm)
crlemleylg (3:18:11 PM): once you swap into pve spec, those bars change out to reflect the spec..pretty neat feature of shams
crlemleylg (3:18:21 PM): and really you'll only use call of elements i believe it was in PVE
crlemleylg (3:18:33 PM): bind a key to fire elemental totem, you can use that when you lust
crlemleylg (3:18:41 PM): its a 10m cooldown, pve only, heavy damage
Avp gotcha23 (3:18:46 PM): is 20/51 pve spec?
crlemleylg (3:18:48 PM): but other than that for pve just use the general one
crlemleylg (3:20:02 PM): ive been playing with specs alot lately, i think the 16/55 is pvp right now
crlemleylg (3:20:19 PM): you'll know because the pvp spec has the totems setup like i mentioned
Avp gotcha23 (3:20:26 PM): ahh ic ic
Avp gotcha23 (3:20:29 PM): their it goes
crlemleylg (3:20:54 PM): yeah 16/55 is pvp
crlemleylg (3:21:10 PM): stoneclaw glyph
Avp gotcha23 (3:21:30 PM): damn Curse isnt working right now
Avp gotcha23 (3:21:32 PM): to Download
Avp gotcha23 (3:21:34 PM): the addon
crlemleylg (3:21:39 PM): youll definitely want shockandawe
crlemleylg (3:21:41 PM): makes it SUPER easy
crlemleylg (3:22:32 PM): stormstrike, lava lash, flame shock, earth shock, magma totem, fire nova, lightning bolt or chain lightning when maelstrom procs, and lightning shield (to refresh when your orbs wear off)
crlemleylg (3:22:44 PM): that's your entire pve rotation..shock and awe will show you when to hit it all
Avp gotcha23 (3:22:51 PM): ic ic
Avp gotcha23 (3:22:54 PM): Whats better
Avp gotcha23 (3:22:57 PM): Bolt or chain
crlemleylg (3:23:00 PM): obviously your big cooldowns are bloodlust, spirit wolves, and the fire elemental totem
crlemleylg (3:23:07 PM): just hit them all together more or less
crlemleylg (3:23:18 PM): shamanistic rage just use it whenever its up, it gives you mana back
crlemleylg (3:23:24 PM): bolt is better single target, chain is aoe
crlemleylg (3:24:02 PM): chain takes a bit more mana but if you start getting low just refresh your mana totem and pop water shield on instead of lightning for a bit, shamanistic rage is almost always off c/d too
Avp gotcha23 (3:24:12 PM): cool cool
crlemleylg (3:24:12 PM): so you shouldn't have mana problems ever
Avp gotcha23 (3:24:40 PM): Arp important at all
Avp gotcha23 (3:24:42 PM): for shamnas?
crlemleylg (3:24:54 PM): ehh
crlemleylg (3:25:02 PM): i'd go expertise over it
crlemleylg (3:25:09 PM): arp is more traditional melee
crlemleylg (3:25:17 PM): hit, expertise, crit
Avp gotcha23 (3:25:18 PM): fer sure
Avp gotcha23 (3:25:23 PM): gem for haste?
crlemleylg (3:25:34 PM): its a popular option right now for sure
Avp gotcha23 (3:25:46 PM): War token would be pretty good to get?
Avp gotcha23 (3:25:49 PM): the badge one.
crlemleylg (3:25:50 PM): you're constantly spamming and you wanna reduce the gcd as much as possible
crlemleylg (3:25:53 PM): yes, also very very good
Avp gotcha23 (3:26:04 PM): Damn shoulda got the shoulders later
Avp gotcha23 (3:26:04 PM): lol
crlemleylg (3:26:07 PM): t10 bonus is huge though
crlemleylg (3:26:09 PM): way bigger
Avp gotcha23 (3:26:14 PM): ahh ic ic
crlemleylg (3:26:30 PM): 12% increased damage every minute
crlemleylg (3:26:37 PM): thats spells and melee
crlemleylg (3:26:47 PM): the ap on the token doesn't effect your magic
crlemleylg (3:27:04 PM): your white hits get bigger and some of your magic strikes do use it,
crlemleylg (3:27:12 PM): but you'll hit 5 stacks for malestrom constantly
crlemleylg (3:27:15 PM): lightning bolt all day
crlemleylg (3:27:15 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:27:22 PM): lol
crlemleylg (3:27:45 PM): also, for pvp you want the 2 pc t10
crlemleylg (3:28:06 PM): and you've already got a pretty good trinket to pair opposite the pvp trinket
crlemleylg (3:28:10 PM): in greatness
crlemleylg (3:28:22 PM): not as big of an upgrade overall..why i took shoulders
Avp gotcha23 (3:28:28 PM): ic ic
Avp gotcha23 (3:30:14 PM): What should be my ideal gems?
crlemleylg (3:30:26 PM): haste, ap, crit
crlemleylg (3:36:23 PM): you going to use the rename?
Avp gotcha23 (3:36:31 PM): yea im currently on lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:36:41 PM): Doing 25man TOC
Avp gotcha23 (3:36:41 PM): lol
crlemleylg (3:38:43 PM): k, just need to get that done ASAP that's why i paid for it
crlemleylg (3:39:09 PM): since you're staying on the same server it's obviously an issue if you were to try and impersonate me or something, ha
Avp gotcha23 (3:39:18 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:39:52 PM): imma just go to the gym currently
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Krik and i's transaction
Avp gotcha23 (4:05:22 PM): Hey bud
Avp gotcha23 (4:05:25 PM): You around?
Avp gotcha23 (4:06:50 PM): im very interested in your shaman
Avp gotcha23 (4:06:51 PM): bud
Avp gotcha23 (4:06:56 PM): You got a price your looking at bro?
Avp gotcha23 (5:37:09 PM): anyway kirk
Avp gotcha23 (5:37:13 PM): leave me a message bud
Avp gotcha23 (5:37:16 PM): going out
Avp gotcha23 (5:37:18 PM): very interested again
Avp gotcha23 (5:37:19 PM):
krik23MD returned at 8:37:49 PM.
krik23MD (8:38:38 PM): im abck
krik23MD (8:38:39 PM): wadup
Avp gotcha23 (10:50:53 PM): hey man
Avp gotcha23 (10:50:54 PM): you their
krik23MD (10:51:06 PM): Yeah
krik23MD (10:51:08 PM): whatsup avp
Avp gotcha23 (10:51:13 PM): hey dude
krik23MD (10:51:23 PM): y0
Avp gotcha23 (10:51:30 PM): how much your buddy asking for the account?
krik23MD (10:51:35 PM): hwich
krik23MD (10:51:42 PM): the shammy?
Avp gotcha23 (10:51:45 PM): yep
krik23MD (10:51:50 PM): ~$350
Avp gotcha23 (10:51:59 PM): he have any pvp gear?
krik23MD (10:52:03 PM): yeah some pieces
krik23MD (10:52:06 PM): pvp gear is a joke..lol
krik23MD (10:52:15 PM): if ur good
Avp gotcha23 (10:52:42 PM): lol
krik23MD (10:55:29 PM): how abotu it?
krik23MD (10:55:29 PM):
Avp gotcha23 (10:55:43 PM): sec bud
Avp gotcha23 (10:55:52 PM): i have 2 shamans im looking for currently
Avp gotcha23 (10:59:08 PM): May i see a real armory?
krik23MD (10:59:16 PM): yea
krik23MD (11:00:48 PM): http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Lemleyz
Avp gotcha23 (11:01:54 PM): Price negiotable at all?
krik23MD (11:02:01 PM): $325 is doable
Avp gotcha23 (11:02:47 PM): Any vanity gear?
krik23MD (11:03:52 PM): sec. lemme talk with lemley about showing u ingame?
krik23MD (11:03:53 PM): sound good?
krik23MD (11:03:59 PM): btw hes an insanely good friend of mine..
krik23MD (11:04:05 PM): professional man
krik23MD (11:04:18 PM): we are dealing this beautiful toon..im getting a cut..hes getting a cut..we play together so yeah
Avp gotcha23 (11:04:28 PM): i am actualley talking to crlemleylg
Avp gotcha23 (11:04:30 PM): correct?
Avp gotcha23 (11:04:34 PM): thats him rigt
Avp gotcha23 (11:04:38 PM): hes on my other Aim box
krik23MD (11:04:59 PM): yeah hes a good guy. im doingh is deal for him so he would refer you to me so
krik23MD (11:05:18 PM): i sold it to him originally, i got all info
Avp gotcha23 (11:05:28 PM): ID scan?
krik23MD (11:05:40 PM): no, no need.
krik23MD (11:05:41 PM): know OO
krik23MD (11:05:48 PM): not gonna be recalled avp
Avp gotcha23 (11:07:03 PM): fer sure bud
Avp gotcha23 (11:07:08 PM): How much gold on the account?
krik23MD (11:07:15 PM): couple hundos
Avp gotcha23 (11:07:16 PM): also was their any vanity or anything?
krik23MD (11:07:48 PM): t6, full set
krik23MD (11:07:49 PM): hes verifying
Avp gotcha23 (11:08:02 PM): kk bud
krik23MD (11:10:43 PM):
then the mounts and titles
crlemleylg (1:08:10 AM): plagued proto drake is the big one
crlemleylg (1:08:15 AM): 310 speed, can't get it anymore
krik23MD (11:10:52 PM): we'll get u a shot of the t6 in a sec
Avp gotcha23 (11:15:10 PM): kk bud nps
Avp gotcha23 (11:17:42 PM): any luck bud?
krik23MD (11:17:57 PM): 8/8 enhance t6
krik23MD (11:18:00 PM): 7/8 resto t6
Avp gotcha23 (11:18:22 PM): How much frost badges?
krik23MD (11:19:00 PM): just bought shoulds
krik23MD (11:19:01 PM): sec
krik23MD (11:19:27 PM): yeah none he just bought t10 shoulds (wreckkkss)
krik23MD (11:19:34 PM): u get one more piece and thats like 12% increasd damage
krik23MD (11:19:35 PM): insane
Avp gotcha23 (11:20:37 PM): fer sure bud
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krik23MD (11:21:33 PM): more where that came from
Avp gotcha23 (11:23:05 PM): yea bud looks really good man
Avp gotcha23 (11:23:08 PM): so 325 eh
krik23MD (11:24:37 PM): yeahp
krik23MD (11:25:43 PM): sound good?
Avp gotcha23 (11:26:01 PM): Just thinking current;y
krik23MD (11:26:04 PM): sounds good
krik23MD (11:26:07 PM): btw this thing is honestly a truck
krik23MD (11:26:08 PM): looks and is beastly.
krik23MD (11:26:10 PM):
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:13 PM): Couldnt do 300 eh?
krik23MD (11:29:30 PM): >_< 325 is pretty low for that tbh lol. its a complete all around toon
krik23MD (11:29:32 PM): perfect.
krik23MD (11:29:42 PM): i went down 25 from waht id like hahahaha
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:34 PM): you think you could do a split payment of some sort?
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:50 PM): I get payed
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:54 PM): next wednesday
krik23MD (11:32:04 PM): >_< lol how much now
krik23MD (11:32:06 PM): how much then
Avp gotcha23 (11:32:11 PM): 200 / 125?
Avp gotcha23 (11:32:26 PM): You know im good for it lol
Avp gotcha23 (11:32:38 PM): Thought if you want to wait and see
krik23MD (11:32:56 PM): hahahah . here's the deal.. you dont speak to lemley of this we shhhh t his on the downlo...he wont do it but if u follow me on this one ...ill talk him into it
krik23MD (11:33:03 PM): sound good? ready for the plan buahahha ;p
krik23MD (11:33:18 PM): chris is a good guy but..im going to outtrickz him for u on this one.
krik23MD (11:33:25 PM): allow me to get more cash and he'll shush up and be happy too
krik23MD (11:33:28 PM): and u get to send payments
krik23MD (11:33:57 PM): pm me when u back
krik23MD (11:37:50 PM):
Avp gotcha23 (11:37:56 PM): sorry bud
Avp gotcha23 (11:37:59 PM): had headphones off
Avp gotcha23 (11:38:03 PM): so whats the deal lol?
krik23MD (11:38:14 PM): haha ok. u got vent?
krik23MD (11:38:16 PM): >_<
Avp gotcha23 (11:38:31 PM): yea give me like 10 mins imma shower real quick
krik23MD (11:38:35 PM): go ahead
krik23MD (11:38:36 PM): hit me up
Avp gotcha23 (11:52:10 PM): kk bud
Avp gotcha23 (11:52:13 PM): sorry man
Avp gotcha23 (11:52:16 PM): whats the vent?
krik23MD (11:54:06 PM): back
krik23MD (11:54:08 PM): ok here
krik23MD (11:54:26 PM): V79.DARKSTARLLC.COM 3789
Avp gotcha23 (11:54:44 PM): name?
krik23MD (11:54:48 PM): Nickyo
krik23MD (12:06:09 AM): oh
krik23MD (12:06:15 AM): he said i can have the $25 too
krik23MD (12:06:23 AM): So just send me $100, and send him $200 tmorrow..and deal.
krik23MD (12:06:30 AM): $100 WU to me, $200 paypal to him 2morrow and we're square.
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krik23MD (10:40:47 AM): hit me up when ur ready today
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Avp gotcha23 (2:14:45 PM): Hey man
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krik23MD (2:30:46 PM): yo
krik23MD (2:30:47 PM): whatsup avp
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:02 PM): nada talking to criem currently
krik23MD (2:31:11 PM): hahahah why!
krik23MD (2:31:14 PM): DONT TELL HIM OUR DAEL!
krik23MD (2:31:15 PM): LMAO
krik23MD (2:31:37 PM): lmao you wanna talk in vent and pound this out
krik23MD (2:31:37 PM): orw at
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:44 PM): i know i know
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:45 PM): lol
krik23MD (2:31:48 PM): hahah
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:54 PM): i actualley have someone who contacted me about another shaman
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:56 PM): is the problem
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:58 PM): comparing them
Avp gotcha23 (2:32:01 PM): left me a message
Avp gotcha23 (2:32:05 PM): last night
krik23MD (2:32:15 PM): ahhhh
krik23MD (2:32:18 PM): well here's the deal
krik23MD (2:32:27 PM): you send him $200 now...then u only need to WU me $75. and then we're done
krik23MD (2:32:31 PM): 275 iss what u get it for
krik23MD (2:32:35 PM): sound good chris
krik23MD (2:32:55 PM): thats $25 even less than what YOU wanted it for
Avp gotcha23 (2:33:04 PM): This is true
krik23MD (2:34:37 PM): can u bump this for me real quick?
krik23MD (2:34:38 PM): http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3133930#Post3133930
krik23MD (2:34:41 PM): just as a side note ;p
Avp gotcha23 (2:36:43 PM): Get on vent yea
Avp gotcha23 (2:36:46 PM): so we can talk this out?
krik23MD (2:36:57 PM): am in
krik23MD (2:37:15 PM): [censored] [censored]..my sound gets [censored] / mic gets [censored]
krik23MD (2:37:17 PM): u want me to call u?
krik23MD (2:37:20 PM): i dont wanna restart like i need to
krik23MD (2:37:22 PM): i got a bot running
krik23MD (2:37:46 PM): my sound glitches out after comp on too long =/ but i got 2 bots running so if i restart it will have to re cycle them
krik23MD (2:37:48 PM): i can call u if ud like
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:04 PM): well you think i can log onto the shaman and check him out?
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:05 PM): criem
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:08 PM): said to ask you
krik23MD (2:38:27 PM): uhmm yeah just bump my rogue post that i linked to make sure its u
krik23MD (2:38:30 PM): and help a bro out with the bump
krik23MD (2:38:31 PM): and then sure
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:39 PM): [censored] thought i did
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:40 PM): sec
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:49 PM): done
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:12 PM): My number is btw
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:16 PM): ( my cell phone number)
krik23MD (2:39:24 PM): canada?orrr
krik23MD (2:39:27 PM): usa?
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:29 PM): wsa
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:30 PM): usa*
krik23MD (2:39:32 PM): good.. whew
krik23MD (2:39:34 PM): hate those $9 cahrges
krik23MD (2:39:37 PM): for those canadians
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:39 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:41 PM): im cali
krik23MD (2:41:15 PM): ( account info login / psw)
Avp gotcha23 (2:44:06 PM): (my other character name)
krik23MD (2:52:37 PM): [email protected] gift $200
krik23MD (2:52:39 PM): and tell me when sent
Avp gotcha23 (2:52:57 PM): kk
Avp gotcha23 (2:55:08 PM): Sent
Avp gotcha23 (2:58:24 PM): You get it bud?
krik23MD (2:58:57 PM): yeahp
krik23MD (2:59:04 PM): u got usernamd and pw yes?
krik23MD (2:59:25 PM): ok and the char customization is set up
krik23MD (2:59:28 PM): according to him so
krik23MD (2:59:31 PM): thats all good to go
Avp gotcha23 (3:00:38 PM): kk
krik23MD (3:00:49 PM): you'll get rest of info next thurs then
krik23MD (3:00:51 PM): all good?
Avp gotcha23 (3:00:54 PM): kk
krik23MD (3:00:59 PM): alright man
krik23MD (3:01:01 PM): will keep in touch
Avp gotcha23 (3:01:03 PM): aight bud
Avp gotcha23 (3:01:05 PM): sounds good
Avp gotcha23 (3:06:12 PM): he said he payed for the customization already?
krik23MD (3:06:18 PM): yeah
krik23MD (3:06:20 PM): it should be good to go
krik23MD (3:24:11 PM): brb afk for a bit
after this i recieved the information from krik23md when i eventualley payed him the rest of the payment which was 85$ via paypal (Thursday of the following week)---went to his friends paypal.
------------Logs after the recall----------------
Avp gotcha23 (2:12:47 PM): That shaman account you sold me
Avp gotcha23 (2:12:49 PM): as been recalled
Avp gotcha23 (2:13:07 PM): Some guy mike is on the acct.
Avp gotcha23 (2:14:35 PM): Yea
Avp gotcha23 (2:14:36 PM): so
Avp gotcha23 (2:14:43 PM): get back to me please
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Avp gotcha23 (3:15:29 PM): yo kirk
Avp gotcha23 (3:15:30 PM): you their
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krik23MD (8:26:49 PM): im here
krik23MD (8:26:50 PM): mike?
krik23MD (8:26:53 PM): who the [censored] mike
krik23MD (8:32:44 PM): im looking into it.
krik23MD (8:32:46 PM): as we speak
Avp gotcha23 (11:01:28 PM): hey bud
Avp gotcha23 (11:01:32 PM): sorry i just got back
krik23MD (11:01:48 PM): sec phone
Avp gotcha23 (11:01:53 PM): fer sure
Avp gotcha23 (11:01:56 PM): imma go shower real quick
krik23MD (11:19:29 PM): ok
Avp gotcha23 (11:19:36 PM): im back now
krik23MD (11:19:40 PM): ok
Avp gotcha23 (11:19:41 PM): so whats the deal bro
Avp gotcha23 (11:19:44 PM): any update?
krik23MD (11:19:56 PM): yeah this is what i have come up with ( i called OO's mother and she is not responding )
krik23MD (11:20:02 PM): it was obviously a kid on a recall whose mother i had's word.
krik23MD (11:20:31 PM): I mean obviously you are to go through lemley and he is to go through me but yeah..since lemley traded to you my recall money back gurantee is void...so of course my policy is not into affect but
krik23MD (11:20:36 PM): i am going to put my foot down to get u back whats urs
krik23MD (11:20:40 PM): if thats understood
krik23MD (11:20:47 PM): Sincei have a personal connection
Avp gotcha23 (11:20:58 PM): im confused.
Avp gotcha23 (11:21:13 PM): so your going to try and get me this account back?
krik23MD (11:21:20 PM): of course. nothing else for me to do
krik23MD (11:21:30 PM): of COURSE i am going to attempt to get u this back
Avp gotcha23 (11:21:44 PM): Your going to get me an account that was just recalled after 1 week?
Avp gotcha23 (11:21:56 PM): and NOW you say your gurantee is voided?
Avp gotcha23 (11:21:59 PM): when you assured me
krik23MD (11:22:04 PM): It was always voided.
Avp gotcha23 (11:22:22 PM): This account originally came from you did it not?
krik23MD (11:22:27 PM): listen to me..u ahve to get this straight in your head now.
krik23MD (11:22:40 PM): http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3161421#Post3161421
krik23MD (11:22:48 PM): Same reason i dont owe money to KH in that . look @ what kath says
krik23MD (11:23:05 PM): i HAVE A POLICY..and its made known..i told you the seocnd we dealt, that It is not me directly dealing it is lemley..my policy is to him..i traded with him
krik23MD (11:23:12 PM): i did not deal with you..i dealt FOR LEMLEY to you
krik23MD (11:23:22 PM): period. and once lemley decided to sell..
krik23MD (11:23:26 PM): it was voided.
krik23MD (11:23:33 PM): that is my policy and that is all legitimate resellerrs policy.
krik23MD (11:23:40 PM): it is known..and i made it known to you when we first began intitiation
krik23MD (11:23:50 PM): HOWEVER
krik23MD (11:23:59 PM): lthis is waht i am doing for u and why
krik23MD (11:24:09 PM): I told y ou it was legitimate..of course..and i was under the statement from his motehr that he was allowed to do this
krik23MD (11:24:14 PM): obviously the kid went behind her promise and her back
krik23MD (11:24:18 PM): so i am calling repeatedly
krik23MD (11:24:20 PM): to get answers.
Avp gotcha23 (11:24:27 PM): and if you dont get answers?
krik23MD (11:24:38 PM): Then you have to deal with lemley on that one.
Avp gotcha23 (11:25:54 PM): So i deal with you at first, then i dont deal with you?
krik23MD (11:26:08 PM): You did not deal with me..the deal went THROUGH me but it was lemleys toon
krik23MD (11:26:09 PM): not mine.
krik23MD (11:26:13 PM): period.
krik23MD (11:26:20 PM): who got $200? lol..how ould that be my toon
Avp gotcha23 (11:26:20 PM): This toon you said originally came from you?
krik23MD (11:26:24 PM): It was 100% lemleys toon.
krik23MD (11:26:29 PM): this is not my OO
krik23MD (11:26:31 PM): no..of course not.
krik23MD (11:26:34 PM): why would i have recalled on you
krik23MD (11:26:36 PM): lmfao
Avp gotcha23 (11:26:48 PM): No, you told me you owned this account before and sold it to him?
Avp gotcha23 (11:26:54 PM): and lemley said u had ID scan's etc?
krik23MD (11:27:39 PM): yes. first off, ia mi nthe process of recoving and we will send in for this account..so obviously im not going to let your investment set out to dry..HOWEVER, i am not entitled to a money refund OBVIOUSLY...through not only my policy but becuase the fact that lemley sold and its not lemley with this problem..
krik23MD (11:27:49 PM): i just did the transaction with you because i knew u and lemley was lazy enough to let me do it..
krik23MD (11:27:59 PM): really i shouldnt even have dealt with you
krik23MD (11:28:02 PM): lemley just didint want to..
krik23MD (11:28:21 PM): ALSO, because of how i was told it was "legitimate" and its actually from OO..i will be contacting the guaradian of this kid
krik23MD (11:28:25 PM): so bare with me.
Avp gotcha23 (11:28:53 PM): Honeslty, this looks like im about to lose 280 dollars.
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:00 PM): The way this [censored] goes
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:03 PM): it never goes good.
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:06 PM): and i honestly dont want
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:15 PM): a damn account that was recalled after a week
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:30 PM): BUt
Avp gotcha23 (11:30:17 PM): You know this
Avp gotcha23 (11:30:20 PM): just as well as me.
krik23MD (11:30:48 PM): I woudltn want it either..and at first glance, NO it doesnt look legitimate or like a legitimate account...but the way i know this kids mother..i dont know what happened..now..if i cant get ahold of anyone thats one story
krik23MD (11:30:53 PM): but if i get ahold of her thats another ballgame.
krik23MD (11:30:59 PM): so the balls in her court and im doing all i can do
krik23MD (11:31:04 PM): i will be phoning her throughout the morning
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:10 PM): mmk kirk
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:20 PM): i guess i shall discuss with lemley
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:25 PM): if a refund will be issued.
krik23MD (11:31:34 PM): yes.
krik23MD (11:31:37 PM): http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3169082#Post3169082
krik23MD (11:31:38 PM): my sig
krik23MD (11:31:43 PM): has been there since '06 my friend
krik23MD (11:32:25 PM): which is why Ive had it my way in many disputes...because i cover my [censored] from 12 year old kids' bullshit..i get a confirmation from a PARENTAL GURADIAN THAT AN ACCOUNT IS SAFE..adn i purchase it and resell...and look what happens.
krik23MD (11:32:27 PM): THIS IS the world we live in
krik23MD (11:32:31 PM): and THIS IS why i do things like this
krik23MD (11:32:49 PM): If u are going to play harsh words on me, even tho i know u lost money...and i understnad that..thats unruly.
Avp gotcha23 (11:32:56 PM): So people get the other end of the [censored] stick?
krik23MD (11:33:09 PM): yeah..and the [censored] being this [censored] society
krik23MD (11:33:15 PM): with no honor involved whatsoever. or moral
krik23MD (11:33:20 PM): kisd lead whatever life they [censored] pretend to
krik23MD (11:33:23 PM): and do what they want
krik23MD (11:33:24 PM): without thinking
Avp gotcha23 (11:34:08 PM): Krik i did this transaction with you, over vent you sent me the info over AIM
krik23MD (11:34:21 PM): you transacted with me, it wasnt my toon
krik23MD (11:34:25 PM): i essentially middle manned bro
krik23MD (11:34:29 PM): I sold to lemley
krik23MD (11:34:33 PM): i dealt with him. that was his toon u got
krik23MD (11:34:36 PM): not mine
krik23MD (11:34:38 PM): unfortunately.
krik23MD (11:34:42 PM): I have logs > can show my deal with him
krik23MD (11:34:45 PM): if you dont believe that
krik23MD (11:35:03 PM): you TALKED to me..and went THROUGH me..because lemley didint feel safe with you. or anyone for that matter
krik23MD (11:35:05 PM): so he gave me his info
krik23MD (11:35:08 PM): and i did it for him.
krik23MD (11:35:19 PM): do u understand what im saying or not
Avp gotcha23 (11:36:19 PM): I understand
krik23MD (11:36:25 PM): ok. and i udnerstand ur situation as well
krik23MD (11:36:27 PM): thats why im attempting to help
krik23MD (11:36:29 PM): and not blowing this off
krik23MD (11:37:02 PM): and if u asked me str8 up, if i thought this account was honestly legitimate
krik23MD (11:37:10 PM): i would tell you yhes..because thats what a parental guardian lead me to believe
krik23MD (11:37:35 PM): her son had "permission" from her directly. to do a swap. And she knew the means of it.
Avp gotcha23 (11:39:25 PM): Well ill have to talk to lemley
Avp gotcha23 (11:39:26 PM): about a refund
krik23MD (11:39:52 PM): exactly. and again, im sorry ..but i was honestly mislead..and i will ask her [censored] happened...im sure if she asnwers we can sort things out
krik23MD (11:39:53 PM): legitimately
Avp gotcha23 (11:39:53 PM): you and i both know that we dont want an unsafe account
krik23MD (11:39:55 PM): and stop it from happening.
krik23MD (11:39:59 PM): exactly i know chris
krik23MD (11:40:01 PM): i know what ur saying..fully.
krik23MD (11:40:07 PM): you know ive been around i woudlnt want that bullshit either
krik23MD (11:40:09 PM): i feel you man
Avp gotcha23 (11:40:25 PM): Do you think lemley would provide a refund?
krik23MD (11:40:43 PM): No clue, he would probably come to me for one..where i would have to obviously show him my policy. and turn him away
krik23MD (11:40:45 PM): then it would be on him
krik23MD (11:40:47 PM): and his conscience
krik23MD (11:40:49 PM): hes a good guy
krik23MD (11:40:50 PM): i can tell you that.
krik23MD (11:40:53 PM): I wouldnt doubt one.
krik23MD (11:41:22 PM): but i have had this policy since i got into heavy trading man. lol..most have
krik23MD (11:41:25 PM): its nothing new
krik23MD (11:41:33 PM): and i dont shy from it and i make it known
krik23MD (11:41:57 PM): a matter of fact, on vent i told you since im not dealing directly with you..i would not be providing u with a money refund guarantee and that was indeed void..i swear on my mothers grave on that one...one of the first i said when u asked if it was legitimate
krik23MD (11:42:10 PM): i also told u waht i knew about it being legitimate and said it was yes, obviously..i believed it to be so when i was tolld it was.
krik23MD (11:42:13 PM): however i informed.
krik23MD (11:42:47 PM): and was INFORMED by the mother it was a squared deal..w/e we'll have to see waht she has to say now.
krik23MD (11:42:52 PM): as well as lemely.
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Avp gotcha23 (1:21:52 PM): I hope you their
Avp gotcha23 (1:21:56 PM): so we can solve this
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krik23MD (1:55:03 PM): uhmm im on my way out.
krik23MD (1:55:17 PM): what is up. Nothing to do on recall on weekend. nothing to solve unless lemley wants to refund you.
Avp gotcha23 (1:55:26 PM): Im making a post later today, we can handle this on their
Avp gotcha23 (1:55:38 PM): with the mods
krik23MD (1:56:00 PM): Ok, but if you post a scammer thraed on me..its getting instantenously deleted..i told you i dealt FOR lemley WITH you.
krik23MD (1:56:05 PM): that was not my toon, it was his.
krik23MD (1:56:07 PM): Thanks im on my way out
Avp gotcha23 (1:56:12 PM): Sure bud
krik23MD (2:01:27 PM): Make sure you put the scammer thread up tonight when i get back...as I want to be able to shoot back with logic and make the fact of why u are bringing it up on me stupid
krik23MD (2:04:06 PM): http://yfrog.com/0oavpproof1j
krik23MD (2:04:20 PM): There yah go . gl with lemleys refund. bbl. l et me know if u post a post up
Avp gotcha23 (2:04:57 PM): sure.
This is krik's part----------
After hearing kriks part i pretty much went to crlemley to see if i could get a refund----
Me and his log:
Avp gotcha23 (2:15:22 PM): Your account has been recalled
Avp gotcha23 (2:15:29 PM): That i bought from you and kirk
crlemleylg (2:15:50 PM): I just saw it logged on earlier on blackrock, that wasn't you I assume?
Avp gotcha23 (2:16:01 PM): Nope
crlemleylg (2:16:02 PM): Let's get in touch with krik and get it handled -- he has the OO ID scan and everything
crlemleylg (2:16:09 PM): he should be around
Avp gotcha23 (2:16:11 PM): Do you know
Avp gotcha23 (2:16:13 PM): a guy named mike?
crlemleylg (2:16:36 PM): Well, pretty common name -- but I doubt I know who'd be messing with that account
crlemleylg (2:16:40 PM): let's find out who this is
crlemleylg (2:17:21 PM): krik's always been a standup guy in his MD dealings, that's why I bought through him myself
crlemleylg (2:17:43 PM): so when he says he 'guarantees' his product against recall I can only assume that he'll either get it taken care of and get it back for you, or get you his guarantee
Avp gotcha23 (2:18:11 PM): As most MD users...when an account is recalled the first time
Avp gotcha23 (2:18:14 PM): it usualley happens again
crlemleylg (2:18:30 PM): I wasn't aware this one was ever recalled
crlemleylg (2:18:39 PM): When I had it it definitely wasn't
Avp gotcha23 (2:18:39 PM): It wasnt untill now
crlemleylg (2:18:42 PM): ahh
Avp gotcha23 (2:18:56 PM): But, now it makes me wonder about the secruity of the account
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:03 PM): I bought this what?
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:04 PM): last week
crlemleylg (2:19:08 PM): exactly
crlemleylg (2:19:19 PM): I messaged krik, you should do the same
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:21 PM): I did
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:30 PM): he hasnt msg'd me back
crlemleylg (2:19:33 PM): I'll help however I can in this but unfortunately it's his job to get it back, not mine
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:40 PM): i know
crlemleylg (2:19:41 PM): he usually comes and goes til later in the evening
crlemleylg (2:20:01 PM): even one negative rating/feedback on his account would essentially ruin his business
crlemleylg (2:20:06 PM): so I know he'll do everything he can to make it right
crlemleylg (2:20:39 PM): the shaman is online right now
Avp gotcha23 (2:22:34 PM): i know -.-
Avp gotcha23 (2:22:54 PM): my main is on this serve
Avp gotcha23 (2:22:56 PM): server
crlemleylg (2:23:03 PM): whats your main?
crlemleylg (2:23:09 PM): im Lemley on there and Holymley
Avp gotcha23 (2:23:17 PM): ey
Avp gotcha23 (4:43:04 PM): has he gotten back to you yet
crlemleylg (4:43:10 PM): no :-(
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Avp gotcha23 (11:35:17 PM): You around?
Auto Response from crlemleylg (11:35:17 PM): I am away from my computer right now.
Avp gotcha23 (11:37:41 PM): We are going to have to talk about our situation as this is you and me's problem
Avp gotcha23 (11:37:49 PM): Kirk is trying to recall the account
Avp gotcha23 (11:37:55 PM): But i honestly dont want a unsafe account
Avp gotcha23 (11:38:23 PM): I would like to have a refund, or if we can work something out.
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crlemleylg (5:31:13 AM): I don't know what I can really do for you; you purchased this from him. The reason I sold it back through him is because of his ability to offer his guarantee--
crlemleylg (5:31:33 AM): I took a hit when I did that, and he profits off sales of characters he third parties like that
crlemleylg (5:31:38 AM): so it is his responsiblity, for sure
crlemleylg (5:31:53 AM): I'm here to help however I possibly can, and I'll cooperate in any way
crlemleylg (5:32:04 AM): but this was a purchase made between you and krik and he was clearly your seller
crlemleylg (5:42:51 AM): anyway, I'll be around but we do need to handle this account through krik as it was his when he sold it to me, and his when he sold it to you.
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Avp gotcha23 (1:17:16 PM): Hey
Avp gotcha23 (1:17:28 PM): So you didnt own this account at the time of the sale?
crlemleylg (1:17:52 PM): yes, but it was sold to me by krik originally and he's the one who handled the sell to you
Avp gotcha23 (1:18:02 PM): He was middle manning
crlemleylg (1:18:03 PM): i only had it for about a week
crlemleylg (1:18:08 PM): basically, yes
Avp gotcha23 (1:18:10 PM): Im confused
Avp gotcha23 (1:18:16 PM): he sold you the account?
crlemleylg (1:18:23 PM): i bought it, didn't like the character, and asked if we could sell it back
crlemleylg (1:18:26 PM): yes
crlemleylg (1:18:36 PM): that's why i'm saying this is between you and him
crlemleylg (1:18:49 PM): i only had the account for roughly a week before i 'sold it back' through him, at a deep loss i might add
crlemleylg (1:18:54 PM): i paid ~ $400 for it
crlemleylg (1:19:00 PM): when you bought it, you paid much less
crlemleylg (1:19:05 PM): i only partially got my money back in a sense
Avp gotcha23 (1:19:20 PM): i understand
Avp gotcha23 (1:19:30 PM): but this account was passed off to you from kirk
Avp gotcha23 (1:19:34 PM): He was just a middle
Avp gotcha23 (1:19:35 PM): man
crlemleylg (1:19:36 PM): yeah
Avp gotcha23 (1:19:41 PM): This is between me and you
crlemleylg (1:19:45 PM): he has the OO information
crlemleylg (1:19:48 PM): I don't
crlemleylg (1:20:06 PM): he gave me the same guarantee he offered you
crlemleylg (1:20:16 PM): so if anything comes down to a refund, he'll be the one giving it
crlemleylg (1:20:26 PM): it's no different than if it'd been recalled when i owned it
Avp gotcha23 (1:20:39 PM): He says this avoids his policy
Avp gotcha23 (1:20:51 PM): as he's putting this all on you
crlemleylg (1:21:01 PM): i don't see how, he's the one who sold it to you, he's the one who listed it on MD
crlemleylg (1:21:22 PM): I wasn't ever the OO and I never offered any guarantee, the guarantee and the transaction happened through krik
crlemleylg (1:21:31 PM): I'll be happy to assist however I can, and I've said that since day one
crlemleylg (1:21:52 PM): I've been completely transparent throughout the process, but your guarantee and your OO information and all, the purchase, it all goes through krik
crlemleylg (1:23:19 PM): Let me know what I can do from here on out, but I'm not responsible for the details and any recall guarantee he offered when you went through him to make the purchase
crlemleylg (1:23:32 PM): All I did was hand over the account info
crlemleylg (1:23:38 PM): and sell it 'back' to him
Avp gotcha23 (1:23:41 PM): He says im not getting any recall gurantee
crlemleylg (1:23:42 PM): he profited off me substantially
crlemleylg (1:24:16 PM): I have no idea what to say... he should've gone over all that with you when you were going through the steps of buying it
crlemleylg (1:24:26 PM): What did he tell you at the time of your purchase, when you were working out a price and so on?
crlemleylg (1:24:29 PM): Nothing?
Avp gotcha23 (1:24:46 PM): We did everything over vent
Avp gotcha23 (1:24:52 PM): and thats how he gets you.
Avp gotcha23 (1:24:59 PM): He is a scammer in my opinion
Avp gotcha23 (1:25:14 PM): he swears he said that this voids his gurantee
crlemleylg (1:25:16 PM): He has $400 of my money, it's not like he's just sitting there innocent IF he is indeed not going to help you in any way
Avp gotcha23 (1:25:26 PM): He's trying to recall the account
Avp gotcha23 (1:25:43 PM): i dont want a [censored] account that gets recalled over a week period
crlemleylg (1:26:06 PM): I resold it through him because he could offer that guarantee and the legitimacy of a real toon vendor via MD, I could have charged more myself to sell it (and I do have only positive rep on MD), but I'm not known and I don't want to have to be responsible for recalls and such
crlemleylg (1:26:24 PM): I would be comfortable doing that for my own account or for an account I'd bought from the OO if I was holding the OO's information, myself
crlemleylg (1:26:28 PM): but I'm not and that was never given to me
crlemleylg (1:26:33 PM): He has all that, SUPPOSEDLY
crlemleylg (1:26:42 PM): and that's how he offered me 'my' guarantee when I bought from him
crlemleylg (1:26:50 PM): I would certainly have made him hold up to it, if it were me
crlemleylg (1:27:08 PM): Now what was discussed between you two, I'm not 100% of because I wasn't there.. but you need to make sure you're getting whatever you were promised
crlemleylg (1:27:13 PM): in terms of his services
Avp gotcha23 (1:27:29 PM): He says that this void's his services
Avp gotcha23 (1:27:35 PM): and its basically not his problem
Avp gotcha23 (1:27:39 PM): and is avoiding this
crlemleylg (1:27:47 PM): what 'voids' it though
crlemleylg (1:27:55 PM): did he say you had a guarantee or not when you bought through him
Avp gotcha23 (1:27:55 PM): That the sale is between you and me
Avp gotcha23 (1:28:00 PM): you owned the account
Avp gotcha23 (1:28:05 PM): He didnt say [censored]
Avp gotcha23 (1:28:07 PM): i have his logs
Avp gotcha23 (1:28:08 PM): on aim
Avp gotcha23 (1:28:11 PM): we talked over vent etc.
crlemleylg (1:28:32 PM): he listed it on MD, you went through him to buy it.. I literally stood back, I mean you know that
crlemleylg (1:28:41 PM): if he didn't offer you his guarantee in the first place, I don't know what to say
crlemleylg (1:28:44 PM): but if he DID offer it
crlemleylg (1:28:51 PM): then we should obviously approach him with a mutual issue here
Avp gotcha23 (1:29:21 PM): He changed his policy too btw.
Avp gotcha23 (1:29:25 PM): If you read it now
crlemleylg (1:30:09 PM): I guess the best thing to do in the time being is threaten to ruin his rep on MD.. I mean, don't say 'ruin', but say that you have no choice but to post negative feedback and make it known that he doesn't uphold his guarantee
crlemleylg (1:30:16 PM): again, IF HE DID OFFER IT TO YOU
crlemleylg (1:30:20 PM): I'm assuming he did
crlemleylg (1:30:24 PM): but that's between you and him
Avp gotcha23 (1:30:34 PM): Read his policy if u could please
crlemleylg (1:30:36 PM): you can pull up the sale on MD, he posted it with his name
Avp gotcha23 (1:30:39 PM): tell me that he didnt change it
crlemleylg (1:31:25 PM): you've got him posting your sale on MD and marking it off sold, that's your open transaction right there (to rate)
crlemleylg (1:31:47 PM): just work with him and let him know you're going to have to do something
Avp gotcha23 (1:32:30 PM): Look at his sig
Avp gotcha23 (1:32:38 PM): Did he change is policy?
Avp gotcha23 (1:32:40 PM): honestly
crlemleylg (1:32:57 PM): I'm not sure what it was... I'll check but I have no way of being positive
crlemleylg (1:33:00 PM): what do you think changed
Avp gotcha23 (1:34:53 PM): MY RECALL POLICY: 100% MONEY GUARANTEE ON SELECT ACCOUNTS IF ADVERTISED SO. THIS GUARANTEE ENDS IF TOON IS PUT UP FOR RE-SALE OR IS RE-TRADED OR SOLD BY THE PERSON WHOM IVE DEALT WITH.
Avp gotcha23 (1:34:59 PM): Select accounts
Avp gotcha23 (1:35:01 PM): is bullshit
crlemleylg (1:35:05 PM): rofl
crlemleylg (1:35:09 PM): yeah that's definitely different
Avp gotcha23 (1:36:37 PM): Well man
Avp gotcha23 (1:36:40 PM): im going to make a post
Avp gotcha23 (1:36:43 PM): on the threads but
Avp gotcha23 (1:36:51 PM): i hate to bring you in this but
Avp gotcha23 (1:37:16 PM): its necessary
crlemleylg (1:37:27 PM): I understand I suppose... I'm about as upstanding of a guy as you're going to deal with on there,
crlemleylg (1:37:31 PM): my hands are simply tied here
crlemleylg (1:37:46 PM): I have no OO information, I never offered you any kind of guarantee on it or even negotiated the sale with you (that was all him)
crlemleylg (1:37:55 PM): if you have to mention it was temporarily owned by me, that's fine
Avp gotcha23 (1:38:05 PM): I understand
crlemleylg (1:38:17 PM): I just don't want it to appear as if you purchased it FROM me
crlemleylg (1:38:28 PM): the post was krik's, the negotiation's were kriks, and the issue with the recall policy is krik's
crlemleylg (1:42:31 PM): let me know when you get it up
Avp gotcha23 (1:42:35 PM): yep
Another thing, It has came to my attention thanks to a user that i will not mention ( excluding crlemeley) thats it seems Krik's recall policy has changed over the course of time, maybe the mods can verify this to see when it was last edited etc.
This is currently all i have.
i cant really put this in the scammer template provided
so here it goes.
I bought an account that Krik23 supposedly owned before selling to MD username: Pandemiclemley, Aim: Crlemley.
Everything in this transaction was pretty much done with Krik23 and not with pandemiclemley, so i was assuming that krik was taking full responsibility for this account as it was his post that was posted
Original post: http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbth...R_G#Post3137716
A week later after i bought it basically ( i found out yesterday : jan 22, 2010 that the account has been recalled)
This is the aim logs of everything this is dealing with 2 different people THOUGH this transaction was done with krik fully.
This is me and crlemley presale to the shaman:
crlemleylg (5:44:50 PM): has krik got back with you about the shaman yet? i know he's been afk for about an hour and a half now, just noticed you'd posted
Avp gotcha23 (5:45:35 PM): nopers
crlemleylg (5:47:03 PM): i apologize for that then... it's my account and i'm going through him as a reputable seller to handle the transaction/recall guarantees/etc, I'm PandemicLemley in the thread, was the first bump
crlemleylg (5:47:32 PM): hopefully he'll be back on shortly... do you have any questions about the account in the meantime?
Avp gotcha23 (10:51:42 PM): enchancement shaman
crlemleylg (10:52:08 PM): hm?
Avp gotcha23 (10:52:19 PM): Talking to kirk24 currently
Avp gotcha23 (10:52:23 PM): 23*
crlemleylg (10:52:29 PM): ahh great
crlemleylg (10:52:33 PM): glad he finally got back with you
Avp gotcha23 (11:03:29 PM): lol so confused who i should talk to
Avp gotcha23 (11:03:34 PM): your shaman got any vanity gear?
crlemleylg (11:03:55 PM): i was just trying to contact you in his absence to answer any questions -- there was about a two or three hour window there where he wasn't online
crlemleylg (11:04:01 PM): but you can deal directly through him now if you prefer
crlemleylg (11:04:13 PM): it does have t6 and several mounts/titles though, yes
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Avp gotcha23 (2:15:38 PM): Hey bud
crlemleylg (2:16:44 PM): hey
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:15 PM): Kirk seems away
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:23 PM): but i was curious if their is any other offsets
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:25 PM): to the warrior
crlemleylg (2:17:30 PM): warrior?
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:33 PM): im sorry
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:34 PM): shaman
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:35 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:41 PM): 9hr workshift
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:43 PM): that started at 5am
crlemleylg (2:17:45 PM): yeah it's got a pretty solid resto offset
Avp gotcha23 (2:17:45 PM): im tired lol
crlemleylg (2:17:49 PM): you can definitely heal icc with it
crlemleylg (2:17:57 PM): over 5k gs
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:35 PM): ic ic
crlemleylg (2:23:43 PM): are you interested in it?
Avp gotcha23 (2:26:20 PM): yea for the most part
Avp gotcha23 (2:26:24 PM): no pvp gear right
crlemleylg (2:26:29 PM): yeah its got a bit
crlemleylg (2:27:13 PM): not a full set but furious shoulders/legs and some offpieces, enough triumph to get you started buying some more if you want
Avp gotcha23 (2:27:23 PM): fer sure
crlemleylg (2:27:31 PM): also has a couple of pieces for resto
Avp gotcha23 (2:27:37 PM): Whats his GS?
crlemleylg (2:27:44 PM): over 5.2k
crlemleylg (2:28:17 PM): 4 piece triumph t9.5, t10 shoulders and/or toc25 heroic pieces as options too
crlemleylg (2:29:07 PM): very well geared pve toon with alot of achivements and vanity -- it's got all the prereqs for 'what a long strange trip' except for brewmaster, so it will have the albino drake easily
crlemleylg (2:29:26 PM): it's already got the plagued proto 310 speed (no longer obtainable), rivendares, red proto, violet netherdrake
crlemleylg (2:29:30 PM): etc
crlemleylg (2:29:40 PM): amani war bear and some other good grount mounts too
crlemleylg (2:30:28 PM): 450 cooking/fishing/firstaid, 450 jc/enchanting
Avp gotcha23 (2:30:53 PM): anyway i can log in and check it out?
crlemleylg (2:31:13 PM): i've got to leave that up to krik, i'm using him to handle this solely because he knows how to get a legit/safe transaction
crlemleylg (2:31:17 PM): he's back now i believe
crlemleylg (2:32:40 PM): got the ambassador title, exalted with all wotlk factions except kalu'ak and ashen verdict (it's honored with av and already has the greater ring)
Avp gotcha23 (2:34:59 PM): he well know on blackrock
Avp gotcha23 (2:34:59 PM): ?
crlemleylg (2:35:19 PM): i personally am, and my characters use my last name
crlemleylg (2:35:25 PM): ideally i wouldn't want anyone impersonating me
Avp gotcha23 (2:35:37 PM): i mean is the character
crlemleylg (2:35:48 PM): to a degree yes, i'm in vicious cycle
crlemleylg (2:36:09 PM): but i'm the main reason it's well known... i run a business in the gaming industry with a particular penchant for wow ;-)
crlemleylg (2:36:20 PM): i'd be happy to include a name change
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:59 PM): cool cool
crlemleylg (2:53:07 PM): how do you want to do the name change?
Avp gotcha23 (2:53:36 PM): You could go ahead and do it now if you want
Avp gotcha23 (2:53:40 PM): when i send you the money
crlemleylg (2:53:43 PM): k
Avp gotcha23 (2:53:45 PM): im logging out now
Avp gotcha23 (3:05:25 PM): Hey bud
Avp gotcha23 (3:05:29 PM): you pay for the name change?
Avp gotcha23 (3:05:37 PM): or customization
Avp gotcha23 (3:05:42 PM): or /we*
Avp gotcha23 (3:11:36 PM): Hey bud you their?
crlemleylg (3:11:58 PM): hey
crlemleylg (3:12:01 PM): yeah i paid for the name change already
crlemleylg (3:12:09 PM): you have to stay logged out for ~ 30 minutes, according to the site
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:15 PM): oh ok
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:16 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:17 PM): Btw
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:18 PM): how do i dps
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:20 PM): as enchance
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:21 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:12:33 PM): and windfury on mainhand?
crlemleylg (3:12:35 PM): if my binds carry over, ive got your totems setup and most of your abilities
crlemleylg (3:12:39 PM): in pve put windfury on both
crlemleylg (3:12:46 PM): in pvp put windfury on mh, frostbrand on off
crlemleylg (3:13:00 PM): download shockandawe for pve
crlemleylg (3:13:06 PM): it will literally show you what to cast next
crlemleylg (3:13:26 PM): and help you keep up your rotation, manage earth shock/frost shock, etc
crlemleylg (3:14:01 PM): also, i would probably keep the 4 pc t9.5 bonus until you can get the second piece of t10 --
crlemleylg (3:14:07 PM): the 2 pc t10 bonus is INSANE
crlemleylg (3:14:20 PM): 12% increased damage when shamanistic rage is up, which is every minute
crlemleylg (3:14:39 PM): even better for pvp because it not only makes you harder to kill, makes you rape face
Avp gotcha23 (3:14:46 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:15:55 PM): Which ones you use more .. call of elements?
crlemleylg (3:15:57 PM): ive got my totem bars setup pretty nice for ya... the pve ones are super straightforward, you'll only really use the one set -- bind magma totem to a key (shockandawe will show you when to refresh it)
crlemleylg (3:16:13 PM): i can't remember which was which by name (the name means nothing -- you can edit the totems in each bar)
crlemleylg (3:16:44 PM): but the pvp ones i had one setup for offense, one setup for normal situations/first things i drop, and one setup as kind of an 'oh [censored]' button that gets rid of as much incoming damage as possible
crlemleylg (3:17:16 PM): the offensive pvp ones, when you're trying to go for a kill and don't need cleanse/grounding/tremor, is the totem bar with strength of earth in it
Avp gotcha23 (3:17:38 PM): The setup its at now is Tremor / cleansing / flame / windfury
crlemleylg (3:17:41 PM): the 'oh [censored]' one is the one with only grounding and stone in it,
crlemleylg (3:17:46 PM): that's the general one
crlemleylg (3:17:59 PM): most commonly dropped/one you can start out with in arena (assuming you're in the pvp spec, atm)
crlemleylg (3:18:11 PM): once you swap into pve spec, those bars change out to reflect the spec..pretty neat feature of shams
crlemleylg (3:18:21 PM): and really you'll only use call of elements i believe it was in PVE
crlemleylg (3:18:33 PM): bind a key to fire elemental totem, you can use that when you lust
crlemleylg (3:18:41 PM): its a 10m cooldown, pve only, heavy damage
Avp gotcha23 (3:18:46 PM): is 20/51 pve spec?
crlemleylg (3:18:48 PM): but other than that for pve just use the general one
crlemleylg (3:20:02 PM): ive been playing with specs alot lately, i think the 16/55 is pvp right now
crlemleylg (3:20:19 PM): you'll know because the pvp spec has the totems setup like i mentioned
Avp gotcha23 (3:20:26 PM): ahh ic ic
Avp gotcha23 (3:20:29 PM): their it goes
crlemleylg (3:20:54 PM): yeah 16/55 is pvp
crlemleylg (3:21:10 PM): stoneclaw glyph
Avp gotcha23 (3:21:30 PM): damn Curse isnt working right now
Avp gotcha23 (3:21:32 PM): to Download
Avp gotcha23 (3:21:34 PM): the addon
crlemleylg (3:21:39 PM): youll definitely want shockandawe
crlemleylg (3:21:41 PM): makes it SUPER easy
crlemleylg (3:22:32 PM): stormstrike, lava lash, flame shock, earth shock, magma totem, fire nova, lightning bolt or chain lightning when maelstrom procs, and lightning shield (to refresh when your orbs wear off)
crlemleylg (3:22:44 PM): that's your entire pve rotation..shock and awe will show you when to hit it all
Avp gotcha23 (3:22:51 PM): ic ic
Avp gotcha23 (3:22:54 PM): Whats better
Avp gotcha23 (3:22:57 PM): Bolt or chain
crlemleylg (3:23:00 PM): obviously your big cooldowns are bloodlust, spirit wolves, and the fire elemental totem
crlemleylg (3:23:07 PM): just hit them all together more or less
crlemleylg (3:23:18 PM): shamanistic rage just use it whenever its up, it gives you mana back
crlemleylg (3:23:24 PM): bolt is better single target, chain is aoe
crlemleylg (3:24:02 PM): chain takes a bit more mana but if you start getting low just refresh your mana totem and pop water shield on instead of lightning for a bit, shamanistic rage is almost always off c/d too
Avp gotcha23 (3:24:12 PM): cool cool
crlemleylg (3:24:12 PM): so you shouldn't have mana problems ever
Avp gotcha23 (3:24:40 PM): Arp important at all
Avp gotcha23 (3:24:42 PM): for shamnas?
crlemleylg (3:24:54 PM): ehh
crlemleylg (3:25:02 PM): i'd go expertise over it
crlemleylg (3:25:09 PM): arp is more traditional melee
crlemleylg (3:25:17 PM): hit, expertise, crit
Avp gotcha23 (3:25:18 PM): fer sure
Avp gotcha23 (3:25:23 PM): gem for haste?
crlemleylg (3:25:34 PM): its a popular option right now for sure
Avp gotcha23 (3:25:46 PM): War token would be pretty good to get?
Avp gotcha23 (3:25:49 PM): the badge one.
crlemleylg (3:25:50 PM): you're constantly spamming and you wanna reduce the gcd as much as possible
crlemleylg (3:25:53 PM): yes, also very very good
Avp gotcha23 (3:26:04 PM): Damn shoulda got the shoulders later
Avp gotcha23 (3:26:04 PM): lol
crlemleylg (3:26:07 PM): t10 bonus is huge though
crlemleylg (3:26:09 PM): way bigger
Avp gotcha23 (3:26:14 PM): ahh ic ic
crlemleylg (3:26:30 PM): 12% increased damage every minute
crlemleylg (3:26:37 PM): thats spells and melee
crlemleylg (3:26:47 PM): the ap on the token doesn't effect your magic
crlemleylg (3:27:04 PM): your white hits get bigger and some of your magic strikes do use it,
crlemleylg (3:27:12 PM): but you'll hit 5 stacks for malestrom constantly
crlemleylg (3:27:15 PM): lightning bolt all day
crlemleylg (3:27:15 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:27:22 PM): lol
crlemleylg (3:27:45 PM): also, for pvp you want the 2 pc t10
crlemleylg (3:28:06 PM): and you've already got a pretty good trinket to pair opposite the pvp trinket
crlemleylg (3:28:10 PM): in greatness
crlemleylg (3:28:22 PM): not as big of an upgrade overall..why i took shoulders
Avp gotcha23 (3:28:28 PM): ic ic
Avp gotcha23 (3:30:14 PM): What should be my ideal gems?
crlemleylg (3:30:26 PM): haste, ap, crit
crlemleylg (3:36:23 PM): you going to use the rename?
Avp gotcha23 (3:36:31 PM): yea im currently on lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:36:41 PM): Doing 25man TOC
Avp gotcha23 (3:36:41 PM): lol
crlemleylg (3:38:43 PM): k, just need to get that done ASAP that's why i paid for it
crlemleylg (3:39:09 PM): since you're staying on the same server it's obviously an issue if you were to try and impersonate me or something, ha
Avp gotcha23 (3:39:18 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (3:39:52 PM): imma just go to the gym currently
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Krik and i's transaction
Avp gotcha23 (4:05:22 PM): Hey bud
Avp gotcha23 (4:05:25 PM): You around?
Avp gotcha23 (4:06:50 PM): im very interested in your shaman
Avp gotcha23 (4:06:51 PM): bud
Avp gotcha23 (4:06:56 PM): You got a price your looking at bro?
Avp gotcha23 (5:37:09 PM): anyway kirk
Avp gotcha23 (5:37:13 PM): leave me a message bud
Avp gotcha23 (5:37:16 PM): going out
Avp gotcha23 (5:37:18 PM): very interested again
Avp gotcha23 (5:37:19 PM):
krik23MD returned at 8:37:49 PM.
krik23MD (8:38:38 PM): im abck
krik23MD (8:38:39 PM): wadup
Avp gotcha23 (10:50:53 PM): hey man
Avp gotcha23 (10:50:54 PM): you their
krik23MD (10:51:06 PM): Yeah
krik23MD (10:51:08 PM): whatsup avp
Avp gotcha23 (10:51:13 PM): hey dude
krik23MD (10:51:23 PM): y0
Avp gotcha23 (10:51:30 PM): how much your buddy asking for the account?
krik23MD (10:51:35 PM): hwich
krik23MD (10:51:42 PM): the shammy?
Avp gotcha23 (10:51:45 PM): yep
krik23MD (10:51:50 PM): ~$350
Avp gotcha23 (10:51:59 PM): he have any pvp gear?
krik23MD (10:52:03 PM): yeah some pieces
krik23MD (10:52:06 PM): pvp gear is a joke..lol
krik23MD (10:52:15 PM): if ur good
Avp gotcha23 (10:52:42 PM): lol
krik23MD (10:55:29 PM): how abotu it?
krik23MD (10:55:29 PM):
Avp gotcha23 (10:55:43 PM): sec bud
Avp gotcha23 (10:55:52 PM): i have 2 shamans im looking for currently
Avp gotcha23 (10:59:08 PM): May i see a real armory?
krik23MD (10:59:16 PM): yea
krik23MD (11:00:48 PM): http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Lemleyz
Avp gotcha23 (11:01:54 PM): Price negiotable at all?
krik23MD (11:02:01 PM): $325 is doable
Avp gotcha23 (11:02:47 PM): Any vanity gear?
krik23MD (11:03:52 PM): sec. lemme talk with lemley about showing u ingame?
krik23MD (11:03:53 PM): sound good?
krik23MD (11:03:59 PM): btw hes an insanely good friend of mine..
krik23MD (11:04:05 PM): professional man
krik23MD (11:04:18 PM): we are dealing this beautiful toon..im getting a cut..hes getting a cut..we play together so yeah
Avp gotcha23 (11:04:28 PM): i am actualley talking to crlemleylg
Avp gotcha23 (11:04:30 PM): correct?
Avp gotcha23 (11:04:34 PM): thats him rigt
Avp gotcha23 (11:04:38 PM): hes on my other Aim box
krik23MD (11:04:59 PM): yeah
hes a good guy. im doingh is deal for him so he would refer you to me sokrik23MD (11:05:18 PM): i sold it to him originally, i got all info
Avp gotcha23 (11:05:28 PM): ID scan?
krik23MD (11:05:40 PM): no, no need.
krik23MD (11:05:41 PM): know OO
krik23MD (11:05:48 PM): not gonna be recalled avp
Avp gotcha23 (11:07:03 PM): fer sure bud
Avp gotcha23 (11:07:08 PM): How much gold on the account?
krik23MD (11:07:15 PM): couple hundos
Avp gotcha23 (11:07:16 PM): also was their any vanity or anything?
krik23MD (11:07:48 PM): t6, full set
krik23MD (11:07:49 PM): hes verifying
Avp gotcha23 (11:08:02 PM): kk bud
krik23MD (11:10:43 PM):
then the mounts and titles
crlemleylg (1:08:10 AM): plagued proto drake is the big one
crlemleylg (1:08:15 AM): 310 speed, can't get it anymore
krik23MD (11:10:52 PM): we'll get u a shot of the t6 in a sec
Avp gotcha23 (11:15:10 PM): kk bud nps
Avp gotcha23 (11:17:42 PM): any luck bud?
krik23MD (11:17:57 PM): 8/8 enhance t6
krik23MD (11:18:00 PM): 7/8 resto t6
Avp gotcha23 (11:18:22 PM): How much frost badges?
krik23MD (11:19:00 PM): just bought shoulds
krik23MD (11:19:01 PM): sec
krik23MD (11:19:27 PM): yeah none he just bought t10 shoulds (wreckkkss)
krik23MD (11:19:34 PM): u get one more piece and thats like 12% increasd damage
krik23MD (11:19:35 PM): insane
Avp gotcha23 (11:20:37 PM): fer sure bud
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krik23MD (11:21:33 PM): more where that came from
Avp gotcha23 (11:23:05 PM): yea bud looks really good man
Avp gotcha23 (11:23:08 PM): so 325 eh
krik23MD (11:24:37 PM): yeahp
krik23MD (11:25:43 PM): sound good?
Avp gotcha23 (11:26:01 PM): Just thinking current;y
krik23MD (11:26:04 PM): sounds good
krik23MD (11:26:07 PM): btw this thing is honestly a truck
krik23MD (11:26:08 PM): looks and is beastly.
krik23MD (11:26:10 PM):
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:13 PM): Couldnt do 300 eh?
krik23MD (11:29:30 PM): >_< 325 is pretty low for that tbh lol. its a complete all around toon
krik23MD (11:29:32 PM): perfect.
krik23MD (11:29:42 PM): i went down 25 from waht id like hahahaha
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:34 PM): you think you could do a split payment of some sort?
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:50 PM): I get payed
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:54 PM): next wednesday
krik23MD (11:32:04 PM): >_< lol how much now
krik23MD (11:32:06 PM): how much then
Avp gotcha23 (11:32:11 PM): 200 / 125?
Avp gotcha23 (11:32:26 PM): You know im good for it lol
Avp gotcha23 (11:32:38 PM): Thought if you want to wait and see
krik23MD (11:32:56 PM): hahahah . here's the deal.. you dont speak to lemley of this
we shhhh t his on the downlo...he wont do it but if u follow me on this one ...ill talk him into itkrik23MD (11:33:03 PM): sound good? ready for the plan buahahha ;p
krik23MD (11:33:18 PM): chris is a good guy but..im going to outtrickz him for u on this one.
krik23MD (11:33:25 PM): allow me to get more cash and he'll shush up and be happy too
krik23MD (11:33:28 PM): and u get to send payments
krik23MD (11:33:57 PM): pm me when u back
krik23MD (11:37:50 PM):
Avp gotcha23 (11:37:56 PM): sorry bud
Avp gotcha23 (11:37:59 PM): had headphones off
Avp gotcha23 (11:38:03 PM): so whats the deal lol?
krik23MD (11:38:14 PM): haha ok. u got vent?
krik23MD (11:38:16 PM): >_<
Avp gotcha23 (11:38:31 PM): yea give me like 10 mins imma shower real quick
krik23MD (11:38:35 PM): go ahead
krik23MD (11:38:36 PM): hit me up
Avp gotcha23 (11:52:10 PM): kk bud
Avp gotcha23 (11:52:13 PM): sorry man
Avp gotcha23 (11:52:16 PM): whats the vent?
krik23MD (11:54:06 PM): back
krik23MD (11:54:08 PM): ok here
krik23MD (11:54:26 PM): V79.DARKSTARLLC.COM 3789
Avp gotcha23 (11:54:44 PM): name?
krik23MD (11:54:48 PM): Nickyo
krik23MD (12:06:09 AM): oh
krik23MD (12:06:15 AM): he said i can have the $25 too
krik23MD (12:06:23 AM): So just send me $100, and send him $200 tmorrow..and deal.
krik23MD (12:06:30 AM): $100 WU to me, $200 paypal to him 2morrow and we're square.
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krik23MD (10:40:47 AM): hit me up when ur ready today
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Avp gotcha23 (2:14:45 PM): Hey man
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krik23MD (2:30:46 PM): yo
krik23MD (2:30:47 PM): whatsup avp
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:02 PM): nada talking to criem currently
krik23MD (2:31:11 PM): hahahah why!
krik23MD (2:31:14 PM): DONT TELL HIM OUR DAEL!
krik23MD (2:31:15 PM): LMAO
krik23MD (2:31:37 PM): lmao you wanna talk in vent and pound this out
krik23MD (2:31:37 PM): orw at
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:44 PM): i know i know
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:45 PM): lol
krik23MD (2:31:48 PM): hahah
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:54 PM): i actualley have someone who contacted me about another shaman
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:56 PM): is the problem
Avp gotcha23 (2:31:58 PM): comparing them
Avp gotcha23 (2:32:01 PM): left me a message
Avp gotcha23 (2:32:05 PM): last night
krik23MD (2:32:15 PM): ahhhh
krik23MD (2:32:18 PM): well here's the deal
krik23MD (2:32:27 PM): you send him $200 now...then u only need to WU me $75. and then we're done
krik23MD (2:32:31 PM): 275 iss what u get it for
krik23MD (2:32:35 PM): sound good chris
krik23MD (2:32:55 PM): thats $25 even less than what YOU wanted it for
Avp gotcha23 (2:33:04 PM): This is true
krik23MD (2:34:37 PM): can u bump this for me real quick?
krik23MD (2:34:38 PM): http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3133930#Post3133930
krik23MD (2:34:41 PM): just as a side note ;p
Avp gotcha23 (2:36:43 PM): Get on vent yea
Avp gotcha23 (2:36:46 PM): so we can talk this out?
krik23MD (2:36:57 PM): am in
krik23MD (2:37:15 PM): [censored] [censored]..my sound gets [censored] / mic gets [censored]
krik23MD (2:37:17 PM): u want me to call u?
krik23MD (2:37:20 PM): i dont wanna restart like i need to
krik23MD (2:37:22 PM): i got a bot running
krik23MD (2:37:46 PM): my sound glitches out after comp on too long =/ but i got 2 bots running so if i restart it will have to re cycle them
krik23MD (2:37:48 PM): i can call u if ud like
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:04 PM): well you think i can log onto the shaman and check him out?
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:05 PM): criem
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:08 PM): said to ask you
krik23MD (2:38:27 PM): uhmm yeah just bump my rogue post that i linked to make sure its u
krik23MD (2:38:30 PM): and help a bro out with the bump
krik23MD (2:38:31 PM): and then sure
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:39 PM): [censored] thought i did
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:40 PM): sec
Avp gotcha23 (2:38:49 PM): done
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:12 PM): My number is btw
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:16 PM): ( my cell phone number)
krik23MD (2:39:24 PM): canada?orrr
krik23MD (2:39:27 PM): usa?
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:29 PM): wsa
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:30 PM): usa*
krik23MD (2:39:32 PM): good.. whew
krik23MD (2:39:34 PM): hate those $9 cahrges
krik23MD (2:39:37 PM): for those canadians
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:39 PM): lol
Avp gotcha23 (2:39:41 PM): im cali
krik23MD (2:41:15 PM): ( account info login / psw)
Avp gotcha23 (2:44:06 PM): (my other character name)
krik23MD (2:52:37 PM): [email protected] gift $200
krik23MD (2:52:39 PM): and tell me when sent
Avp gotcha23 (2:52:57 PM): kk
Avp gotcha23 (2:55:08 PM): Sent
Avp gotcha23 (2:58:24 PM): You get it bud?
krik23MD (2:58:57 PM): yeahp
krik23MD (2:59:04 PM): u got usernamd and pw yes?
krik23MD (2:59:25 PM): ok and the char customization is set up
krik23MD (2:59:28 PM): according to him so
krik23MD (2:59:31 PM): thats all good to go
Avp gotcha23 (3:00:38 PM): kk
krik23MD (3:00:49 PM): you'll get rest of info next thurs then
krik23MD (3:00:51 PM): all good?
Avp gotcha23 (3:00:54 PM): kk
krik23MD (3:00:59 PM): alright man
krik23MD (3:01:01 PM): will keep in touch
Avp gotcha23 (3:01:03 PM): aight bud
Avp gotcha23 (3:01:05 PM): sounds good
Avp gotcha23 (3:06:12 PM): he said he payed for the customization already?
krik23MD (3:06:18 PM): yeah
krik23MD (3:06:20 PM): it should be good to go
krik23MD (3:24:11 PM): brb afk for a bit
after this i recieved the information from krik23md when i eventualley payed him the rest of the payment which was 85$ via paypal (Thursday of the following week)---went to his friends paypal.
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Avp gotcha23 (2:12:47 PM): That shaman account you sold me
Avp gotcha23 (2:12:49 PM): as been recalled
Avp gotcha23 (2:13:07 PM): Some guy mike is on the acct.
Avp gotcha23 (2:14:35 PM): Yea
Avp gotcha23 (2:14:36 PM): so
Avp gotcha23 (2:14:43 PM): get back to me please
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Avp gotcha23 (3:15:29 PM): yo kirk
Avp gotcha23 (3:15:30 PM): you their
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krik23MD (8:26:49 PM): im here
krik23MD (8:26:50 PM): mike?
krik23MD (8:26:53 PM): who the [censored] mike
krik23MD (8:32:44 PM): im looking into it.
krik23MD (8:32:46 PM): as we speak
Avp gotcha23 (11:01:28 PM): hey bud
Avp gotcha23 (11:01:32 PM): sorry i just got back
krik23MD (11:01:48 PM): sec phone
Avp gotcha23 (11:01:53 PM): fer sure
Avp gotcha23 (11:01:56 PM): imma go shower real quick
krik23MD (11:19:29 PM): ok
Avp gotcha23 (11:19:36 PM): im back now
krik23MD (11:19:40 PM): ok
Avp gotcha23 (11:19:41 PM): so whats the deal bro
Avp gotcha23 (11:19:44 PM): any update?
krik23MD (11:19:56 PM): yeah this is what i have come up with ( i called OO's mother and she is not responding )
krik23MD (11:20:02 PM): it was obviously a kid on a recall whose mother i had's word.
krik23MD (11:20:31 PM): I mean obviously you are to go through lemley and he is to go through me but yeah..since lemley traded to you my recall money back gurantee is void...so of course my policy is not into affect but
krik23MD (11:20:36 PM): i am going to put my foot down to get u back whats urs
krik23MD (11:20:40 PM): if thats understood
krik23MD (11:20:47 PM): Sincei have a personal connection
Avp gotcha23 (11:20:58 PM): im confused.
Avp gotcha23 (11:21:13 PM): so your going to try and get me this account back?
krik23MD (11:21:20 PM): of course. nothing else for me to do
krik23MD (11:21:30 PM): of COURSE i am going to attempt to get u this back
Avp gotcha23 (11:21:44 PM): Your going to get me an account that was just recalled after 1 week?
Avp gotcha23 (11:21:56 PM): and NOW you say your gurantee is voided?
Avp gotcha23 (11:21:59 PM): when you assured me
krik23MD (11:22:04 PM): It was always voided.
Avp gotcha23 (11:22:22 PM): This account originally came from you did it not?
krik23MD (11:22:27 PM): listen to me..u ahve to get this straight in your head now.
krik23MD (11:22:40 PM): http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3161421#Post3161421
krik23MD (11:22:48 PM): Same reason i dont owe money to KH in that . look @ what kath says
krik23MD (11:23:05 PM): i HAVE A POLICY..and its made known..i told you the seocnd we dealt, that It is not me directly dealing it is lemley..my policy is to him..i traded with him
krik23MD (11:23:12 PM): i did not deal with you..i dealt FOR LEMLEY to you
krik23MD (11:23:22 PM): period. and once lemley decided to sell..
krik23MD (11:23:26 PM): it was voided.
krik23MD (11:23:33 PM): that is my policy and that is all legitimate resellerrs policy.
krik23MD (11:23:40 PM): it is known..and i made it known to you when we first began intitiation
krik23MD (11:23:50 PM): HOWEVER
krik23MD (11:23:59 PM): lthis is waht i am doing for u and why
krik23MD (11:24:09 PM): I told y ou it was legitimate..of course..and i was under the statement from his motehr that he was allowed to do this
krik23MD (11:24:14 PM): obviously the kid went behind her promise and her back
krik23MD (11:24:18 PM): so i am calling repeatedly
krik23MD (11:24:20 PM): to get answers.
Avp gotcha23 (11:24:27 PM): and if you dont get answers?
krik23MD (11:24:38 PM): Then you have to deal with lemley on that one.
Avp gotcha23 (11:25:54 PM): So i deal with you at first, then i dont deal with you?
krik23MD (11:26:08 PM): You did not deal with me..the deal went THROUGH me but it was lemleys toon
krik23MD (11:26:09 PM): not mine.
krik23MD (11:26:13 PM): period.
krik23MD (11:26:20 PM): who got $200? lol..how ould that be my toon
Avp gotcha23 (11:26:20 PM): This toon you said originally came from you?
krik23MD (11:26:24 PM): It was 100% lemleys toon.
krik23MD (11:26:29 PM): this is not my OO
krik23MD (11:26:31 PM): no..of course not.
krik23MD (11:26:34 PM): why would i have recalled on you
krik23MD (11:26:36 PM): lmfao
Avp gotcha23 (11:26:48 PM): No, you told me you owned this account before and sold it to him?
Avp gotcha23 (11:26:54 PM): and lemley said u had ID scan's etc?
krik23MD (11:27:39 PM): yes. first off, ia mi nthe process of recoving and we will send in for this account..so obviously im not going to let your investment set out to dry..HOWEVER, i am not entitled to a money refund OBVIOUSLY...through not only my policy but becuase the fact that lemley sold and its not lemley with this problem..
krik23MD (11:27:49 PM): i just did the transaction with you because i knew u and lemley was lazy enough to let me do it..
krik23MD (11:27:59 PM): really i shouldnt even have dealt with you
krik23MD (11:28:02 PM): lemley just didint want to..
krik23MD (11:28:21 PM): ALSO, because of how i was told it was "legitimate" and its actually from OO..i will be contacting the guaradian of this kid
krik23MD (11:28:25 PM): so bare with me.
Avp gotcha23 (11:28:53 PM): Honeslty, this looks like im about to lose 280 dollars.
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:00 PM): The way this [censored] goes
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:03 PM): it never goes good.
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:06 PM): and i honestly dont want
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:15 PM): a damn account that was recalled after a week
Avp gotcha23 (11:29:30 PM): BUt
Avp gotcha23 (11:30:17 PM): You know this
Avp gotcha23 (11:30:20 PM): just as well as me.
krik23MD (11:30:48 PM): I woudltn want it either..and at first glance, NO it doesnt look legitimate or like a legitimate account...but the way i know this kids mother..i dont know what happened..now..if i cant get ahold of anyone thats one story
krik23MD (11:30:53 PM): but if i get ahold of her thats another ballgame.
krik23MD (11:30:59 PM): so the balls in her court and im doing all i can do
krik23MD (11:31:04 PM): i will be phoning her throughout the morning
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:10 PM): mmk kirk
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:20 PM): i guess i shall discuss with lemley
Avp gotcha23 (11:31:25 PM): if a refund will be issued.
krik23MD (11:31:34 PM): yes.
krik23MD (11:31:37 PM): http://www.markeedragon.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3169082#Post3169082
krik23MD (11:31:38 PM): my sig
krik23MD (11:31:43 PM): has been there since '06 my friend
krik23MD (11:32:25 PM): which is why Ive had it my way in many disputes...because i cover my [censored] from 12 year old kids' bullshit..i get a confirmation from a PARENTAL GURADIAN THAT AN ACCOUNT IS SAFE..adn i purchase it and resell...and look what happens.
krik23MD (11:32:27 PM): THIS IS the world we live in
krik23MD (11:32:31 PM): and THIS IS why i do things like this
krik23MD (11:32:49 PM): If u are going to play harsh words on me, even tho i know u lost money...and i understnad that..thats unruly.
Avp gotcha23 (11:32:56 PM): So people get the other end of the [censored] stick?
krik23MD (11:33:09 PM): yeah..and the [censored] being this [censored] society
krik23MD (11:33:15 PM): with no honor involved whatsoever. or moral
krik23MD (11:33:20 PM): kisd lead whatever life they [censored] pretend to
krik23MD (11:33:23 PM): and do what they want
krik23MD (11:33:24 PM): without thinking
Avp gotcha23 (11:34:08 PM): Krik i did this transaction with you, over vent you sent me the info over AIM
krik23MD (11:34:21 PM): you transacted with me, it wasnt my toon
krik23MD (11:34:25 PM): i essentially middle manned bro
krik23MD (11:34:29 PM): I sold to lemley
krik23MD (11:34:33 PM): i dealt with him. that was his toon u got
krik23MD (11:34:36 PM): not mine
krik23MD (11:34:38 PM): unfortunately.
krik23MD (11:34:42 PM): I have logs > can show my deal with him
krik23MD (11:34:45 PM): if you dont believe that
krik23MD (11:35:03 PM): you TALKED to me..and went THROUGH me..because lemley didint feel safe with you. or anyone for that matter
krik23MD (11:35:05 PM): so he gave me his info
krik23MD (11:35:08 PM): and i did it for him.
krik23MD (11:35:19 PM): do u understand what im saying or not
Avp gotcha23 (11:36:19 PM): I understand
krik23MD (11:36:25 PM): ok. and i udnerstand ur situation as well
krik23MD (11:36:27 PM): thats why im attempting to help
krik23MD (11:36:29 PM): and not blowing this off
krik23MD (11:37:02 PM): and if u asked me str8 up, if i thought this account was honestly legitimate
krik23MD (11:37:10 PM): i would tell you yhes..because thats what a parental guardian lead me to believe
krik23MD (11:37:35 PM): her son had "permission" from her directly. to do a swap. And she knew the means of it.
Avp gotcha23 (11:39:25 PM): Well ill have to talk to lemley
Avp gotcha23 (11:39:26 PM): about a refund
krik23MD (11:39:52 PM): exactly. and again, im sorry ..but i was honestly mislead..and i will ask her [censored] happened...im sure if she asnwers we can sort things out
krik23MD (11:39:53 PM): legitimately
Avp gotcha23 (11:39:53 PM): you and i both know that we dont want an unsafe account
krik23MD (11:39:55 PM): and stop it from happening.
krik23MD (11:39:59 PM): exactly i know chris
krik23MD (11:40:01 PM): i know what ur saying..fully.
krik23MD (11:40:07 PM): you know ive been around i woudlnt want that bullshit either
krik23MD (11:40:09 PM): i feel you man
Avp gotcha23 (11:40:25 PM): Do you think lemley would provide a refund?
krik23MD (11:40:43 PM): No clue, he would probably come to me for one..where i would have to obviously show him my policy. and turn him away
krik23MD (11:40:45 PM): then it would be on him
krik23MD (11:40:47 PM): and his conscience
krik23MD (11:40:49 PM): hes a good guy
krik23MD (11:40:50 PM): i can tell you that.
krik23MD (11:40:53 PM): I wouldnt doubt one.
krik23MD (11:41:22 PM): but i have had this policy since i got into heavy trading man. lol..most have
krik23MD (11:41:25 PM): its nothing new
krik23MD (11:41:33 PM): and i dont shy from it and i make it known
krik23MD (11:41:57 PM): a matter of fact, on vent i told you since im not dealing directly with you..i would not be providing u with a money refund guarantee and that was indeed void..i swear on my mothers grave on that one...one of the first i said when u asked if it was legitimate
krik23MD (11:42:10 PM): i also told u waht i knew about it being legitimate and said it was yes, obviously..i believed it to be so when i was tolld it was.
krik23MD (11:42:13 PM): however i informed.
krik23MD (11:42:47 PM): and was INFORMED by the mother it was a squared deal..w/e we'll have to see waht she has to say now.
krik23MD (11:42:52 PM): as well as lemely.
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Avp gotcha23 (1:21:52 PM): I hope you their
Avp gotcha23 (1:21:56 PM): so we can solve this
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krik23MD (1:55:03 PM): uhmm im on my way out.
krik23MD (1:55:17 PM): what is up. Nothing to do on recall on weekend. nothing to solve unless lemley wants to refund you.
Avp gotcha23 (1:55:26 PM): Im making a post later today, we can handle this on their
Avp gotcha23 (1:55:38 PM): with the mods
krik23MD (1:56:00 PM): Ok, but if you post a scammer thraed on me..its getting instantenously deleted..i told you i dealt FOR lemley WITH you.
krik23MD (1:56:05 PM): that was not my toon, it was his.
krik23MD (1:56:07 PM): Thanks im on my way out
Avp gotcha23 (1:56:12 PM): Sure bud
krik23MD (2:01:27 PM): Make sure you put the scammer thread up tonight when i get back...as I want to be able to shoot back with logic and make the fact of why u are bringing it up on me stupid
krik23MD (2:04:06 PM): http://yfrog.com/0oavpproof1j
krik23MD (2:04:20 PM): There yah go . gl with lemleys refund. bbl. l et me know if u post a post up
Avp gotcha23 (2:04:57 PM): sure.
This is krik's part----------
After hearing kriks part i pretty much went to crlemley to see if i could get a refund----
Me and his log:
Avp gotcha23 (2:15:22 PM): Your account has been recalled
Avp gotcha23 (2:15:29 PM): That i bought from you and kirk
crlemleylg (2:15:50 PM): I just saw it logged on earlier on blackrock, that wasn't you I assume?
Avp gotcha23 (2:16:01 PM): Nope
crlemleylg (2:16:02 PM): Let's get in touch with krik and get it handled -- he has the OO ID scan and everything
crlemleylg (2:16:09 PM): he should be around
Avp gotcha23 (2:16:11 PM): Do you know
Avp gotcha23 (2:16:13 PM): a guy named mike?
crlemleylg (2:16:36 PM): Well, pretty common name -- but I doubt I know who'd be messing with that account
crlemleylg (2:16:40 PM): let's find out who this is
crlemleylg (2:17:21 PM): krik's always been a standup guy in his MD dealings, that's why I bought through him myself
crlemleylg (2:17:43 PM): so when he says he 'guarantees' his product against recall I can only assume that he'll either get it taken care of and get it back for you, or get you his guarantee
Avp gotcha23 (2:18:11 PM): As most MD users...when an account is recalled the first time
Avp gotcha23 (2:18:14 PM): it usualley happens again
crlemleylg (2:18:30 PM): I wasn't aware this one was ever recalled
crlemleylg (2:18:39 PM): When I had it it definitely wasn't
Avp gotcha23 (2:18:39 PM): It wasnt untill now
crlemleylg (2:18:42 PM): ahh
Avp gotcha23 (2:18:56 PM): But, now it makes me wonder about the secruity of the account
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:03 PM): I bought this what?
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:04 PM): last week
crlemleylg (2:19:08 PM): exactly
crlemleylg (2:19:19 PM): I messaged krik, you should do the same
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:21 PM): I did
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:30 PM): he hasnt msg'd me back
crlemleylg (2:19:33 PM): I'll help however I can in this but unfortunately it's his job to get it back, not mine
Avp gotcha23 (2:19:40 PM): i know
crlemleylg (2:19:41 PM): he usually comes and goes til later in the evening
crlemleylg (2:20:01 PM): even one negative rating/feedback on his account would essentially ruin his business
crlemleylg (2:20:06 PM): so I know he'll do everything he can to make it right
crlemleylg (2:20:39 PM): the shaman is online right now
Avp gotcha23 (2:22:34 PM): i know -.-
Avp gotcha23 (2:22:54 PM): my main is on this serve
Avp gotcha23 (2:22:56 PM): server
crlemleylg (2:23:03 PM): whats your main?
crlemleylg (2:23:09 PM): im Lemley on there and Holymley
Avp gotcha23 (2:23:17 PM): ey
Avp gotcha23 (4:43:04 PM): has he gotten back to you yet
crlemleylg (4:43:10 PM): no :-(
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Avp gotcha23 (11:35:17 PM): You around?
Auto Response from crlemleylg (11:35:17 PM): I am away from my computer right now.
Avp gotcha23 (11:37:41 PM): We are going to have to talk about our situation as this is you and me's problem
Avp gotcha23 (11:37:49 PM): Kirk is trying to recall the account
Avp gotcha23 (11:37:55 PM): But i honestly dont want a unsafe account
Avp gotcha23 (11:38:23 PM): I would like to have a refund, or if we can work something out.
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crlemleylg (5:31:13 AM): I don't know what I can really do for you; you purchased this from him. The reason I sold it back through him is because of his ability to offer his guarantee--
crlemleylg (5:31:33 AM): I took a hit when I did that, and he profits off sales of characters he third parties like that
crlemleylg (5:31:38 AM): so it is his responsiblity, for sure
crlemleylg (5:31:53 AM): I'm here to help however I possibly can, and I'll cooperate in any way
crlemleylg (5:32:04 AM): but this was a purchase made between you and krik and he was clearly your seller
crlemleylg (5:42:51 AM): anyway, I'll be around but we do need to handle this account through krik as it was his when he sold it to me, and his when he sold it to you.
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Avp gotcha23 (1:17:16 PM): Hey
Avp gotcha23 (1:17:28 PM): So you didnt own this account at the time of the sale?
crlemleylg (1:17:52 PM): yes, but it was sold to me by krik originally and he's the one who handled the sell to you
Avp gotcha23 (1:18:02 PM): He was middle manning
crlemleylg (1:18:03 PM): i only had it for about a week
crlemleylg (1:18:08 PM): basically, yes
Avp gotcha23 (1:18:10 PM): Im confused
Avp gotcha23 (1:18:16 PM): he sold you the account?
crlemleylg (1:18:23 PM): i bought it, didn't like the character, and asked if we could sell it back
crlemleylg (1:18:26 PM): yes
crlemleylg (1:18:36 PM): that's why i'm saying this is between you and him
crlemleylg (1:18:49 PM): i only had the account for roughly a week before i 'sold it back' through him, at a deep loss i might add
crlemleylg (1:18:54 PM): i paid ~ $400 for it
crlemleylg (1:19:00 PM): when you bought it, you paid much less
crlemleylg (1:19:05 PM): i only partially got my money back in a sense
Avp gotcha23 (1:19:20 PM): i understand
Avp gotcha23 (1:19:30 PM): but this account was passed off to you from kirk
Avp gotcha23 (1:19:34 PM): He was just a middle
Avp gotcha23 (1:19:35 PM): man
crlemleylg (1:19:36 PM): yeah
Avp gotcha23 (1:19:41 PM): This is between me and you
crlemleylg (1:19:45 PM): he has the OO information
crlemleylg (1:19:48 PM): I don't
crlemleylg (1:20:06 PM): he gave me the same guarantee he offered you
crlemleylg (1:20:16 PM): so if anything comes down to a refund, he'll be the one giving it
crlemleylg (1:20:26 PM): it's no different than if it'd been recalled when i owned it
Avp gotcha23 (1:20:39 PM): He says this avoids his policy
Avp gotcha23 (1:20:51 PM): as he's putting this all on you
crlemleylg (1:21:01 PM): i don't see how, he's the one who sold it to you, he's the one who listed it on MD
crlemleylg (1:21:22 PM): I wasn't ever the OO and I never offered any guarantee, the guarantee and the transaction happened through krik
crlemleylg (1:21:31 PM): I'll be happy to assist however I can, and I've said that since day one
crlemleylg (1:21:52 PM): I've been completely transparent throughout the process, but your guarantee and your OO information and all, the purchase, it all goes through krik
crlemleylg (1:23:19 PM): Let me know what I can do from here on out, but I'm not responsible for the details and any recall guarantee he offered when you went through him to make the purchase
crlemleylg (1:23:32 PM): All I did was hand over the account info
crlemleylg (1:23:38 PM): and sell it 'back' to him
Avp gotcha23 (1:23:41 PM): He says im not getting any recall gurantee
crlemleylg (1:23:42 PM): he profited off me substantially
crlemleylg (1:24:16 PM): I have no idea what to say... he should've gone over all that with you when you were going through the steps of buying it
crlemleylg (1:24:26 PM): What did he tell you at the time of your purchase, when you were working out a price and so on?
crlemleylg (1:24:29 PM): Nothing?
Avp gotcha23 (1:24:46 PM): We did everything over vent
Avp gotcha23 (1:24:52 PM): and thats how he gets you.
Avp gotcha23 (1:24:59 PM): He is a scammer in my opinion
Avp gotcha23 (1:25:14 PM): he swears he said that this voids his gurantee
crlemleylg (1:25:16 PM): He has $400 of my money, it's not like he's just sitting there innocent IF he is indeed not going to help you in any way
Avp gotcha23 (1:25:26 PM): He's trying to recall the account
Avp gotcha23 (1:25:43 PM): i dont want a [censored] account that gets recalled over a week period
crlemleylg (1:26:06 PM): I resold it through him because he could offer that guarantee and the legitimacy of a real toon vendor via MD, I could have charged more myself to sell it (and I do have only positive rep on MD), but I'm not known and I don't want to have to be responsible for recalls and such
crlemleylg (1:26:24 PM): I would be comfortable doing that for my own account or for an account I'd bought from the OO if I was holding the OO's information, myself
crlemleylg (1:26:28 PM): but I'm not and that was never given to me
crlemleylg (1:26:33 PM): He has all that, SUPPOSEDLY
crlemleylg (1:26:42 PM): and that's how he offered me 'my' guarantee when I bought from him
crlemleylg (1:26:50 PM): I would certainly have made him hold up to it, if it were me
crlemleylg (1:27:08 PM): Now what was discussed between you two, I'm not 100% of because I wasn't there.. but you need to make sure you're getting whatever you were promised
crlemleylg (1:27:13 PM): in terms of his services
Avp gotcha23 (1:27:29 PM): He says that this void's his services
Avp gotcha23 (1:27:35 PM): and its basically not his problem
Avp gotcha23 (1:27:39 PM): and is avoiding this
crlemleylg (1:27:47 PM): what 'voids' it though
crlemleylg (1:27:55 PM): did he say you had a guarantee or not when you bought through him
Avp gotcha23 (1:27:55 PM): That the sale is between you and me
Avp gotcha23 (1:28:00 PM): you owned the account
Avp gotcha23 (1:28:05 PM): He didnt say [censored]
Avp gotcha23 (1:28:07 PM): i have his logs
Avp gotcha23 (1:28:08 PM): on aim
Avp gotcha23 (1:28:11 PM): we talked over vent etc.
crlemleylg (1:28:32 PM): he listed it on MD, you went through him to buy it.. I literally stood back, I mean you know that
crlemleylg (1:28:41 PM): if he didn't offer you his guarantee in the first place, I don't know what to say
crlemleylg (1:28:44 PM): but if he DID offer it
crlemleylg (1:28:51 PM): then we should obviously approach him with a mutual issue here
Avp gotcha23 (1:29:21 PM): He changed his policy too btw.
Avp gotcha23 (1:29:25 PM): If you read it now
crlemleylg (1:30:09 PM): I guess the best thing to do in the time being is threaten to ruin his rep on MD.. I mean, don't say 'ruin', but say that you have no choice but to post negative feedback and make it known that he doesn't uphold his guarantee
crlemleylg (1:30:16 PM): again, IF HE DID OFFER IT TO YOU
crlemleylg (1:30:20 PM): I'm assuming he did
crlemleylg (1:30:24 PM): but that's between you and him
Avp gotcha23 (1:30:34 PM): Read his policy if u could please
crlemleylg (1:30:36 PM): you can pull up the sale on MD, he posted it with his name
Avp gotcha23 (1:30:39 PM): tell me that he didnt change it
crlemleylg (1:31:25 PM): you've got him posting your sale on MD and marking it off sold, that's your open transaction right there (to rate)
crlemleylg (1:31:47 PM): just work with him and let him know you're going to have to do something
Avp gotcha23 (1:32:30 PM): Look at his sig
Avp gotcha23 (1:32:38 PM): Did he change is policy?
Avp gotcha23 (1:32:40 PM): honestly
crlemleylg (1:32:57 PM): I'm not sure what it was... I'll check but I have no way of being positive
crlemleylg (1:33:00 PM): what do you think changed
Avp gotcha23 (1:34:53 PM): MY RECALL POLICY: 100% MONEY GUARANTEE ON SELECT ACCOUNTS IF ADVERTISED SO. THIS GUARANTEE ENDS IF TOON IS PUT UP FOR RE-SALE OR IS RE-TRADED OR SOLD BY THE PERSON WHOM IVE DEALT WITH.
Avp gotcha23 (1:34:59 PM): Select accounts
Avp gotcha23 (1:35:01 PM): is bullshit
crlemleylg (1:35:05 PM): rofl
crlemleylg (1:35:09 PM): yeah that's definitely different
Avp gotcha23 (1:36:37 PM): Well man
Avp gotcha23 (1:36:40 PM): im going to make a post
Avp gotcha23 (1:36:43 PM): on the threads but
Avp gotcha23 (1:36:51 PM): i hate to bring you in this but
Avp gotcha23 (1:37:16 PM): its necessary
crlemleylg (1:37:27 PM): I understand I suppose... I'm about as upstanding of a guy as you're going to deal with on there,
crlemleylg (1:37:31 PM): my hands are simply tied here
crlemleylg (1:37:46 PM): I have no OO information, I never offered you any kind of guarantee on it or even negotiated the sale with you (that was all him)
crlemleylg (1:37:55 PM): if you have to mention it was temporarily owned by me, that's fine
Avp gotcha23 (1:38:05 PM): I understand
crlemleylg (1:38:17 PM): I just don't want it to appear as if you purchased it FROM me
crlemleylg (1:38:28 PM): the post was krik's, the negotiation's were kriks, and the issue with the recall policy is krik's
crlemleylg (1:42:31 PM): let me know when you get it up
Avp gotcha23 (1:42:35 PM): yep
Another thing, It has came to my attention thanks to a user that i will not mention ( excluding crlemeley) thats it seems Krik's recall policy has changed over the course of time, maybe the mods can verify this to see when it was last edited etc.
This is currently all i have.
