Scammer with fake MM stole Genshin Account and it is now being resold

[williamulti]

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Dispute Category:

Scam Accusation - You believe this member is a scammer, not a legit buyer or seller.

Information
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Purchase Date: 10/13/21
Date the problem began: 10/13/21
Method of Contact Used (chat program): Discord
Instant Messenger username of the person you're accusing: Kubo#1628 and Kiro#1258
Your Instant Messenger ID: Willidoo#2883

Other information: https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm.1983708/#post-7946084


DISPUTE Information
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Link of transaction thread (URL, Epicnpc thread): https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/na-...e-multiple-c6-5-chars-many-5-weapons.2069354/
Approximate value of property: $3500.00 USD
Was Trade Guardian used? No
If yes, what is the Trade Guardian ID?

What is the dispute about? Stole my account and is now potentially trying to resell it on EpicNPC.

Other details / notes: Another thread of people having issues with this person. It seems like they have multiple accounts- https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm.1983708/#post-7946084
Thread with my account getting resold - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/wts-mega-whale-na-66-28-ssr.2073088/ I am unsure if this is the scammer or just ended up with the account (the scammer immediately added me on discord since it was public so, not sure what their EpicNPC username is). The person who first asked for my discord in the thread (Dwi Febrian) is from the same region (Indonesia) as NoelLau may just be coincidence but, thought I should point it out.


Proof
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Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):

Spoiler: Kubo#1628 (fake buyer)

Spoiler: Kiro#1258 (fake MM)

Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible): N/A
Other proof: N/A


Account Recalls
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Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof)What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc)
How long did you have the account before it was recalled?
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
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[Angel]

They attempted to sell the account via TG but there was a PSN linked and the seller told me that he have issues with email. Is there your PSN linked and if yes can you post a PSN username.

@NoelLau notified

 

[williamulti]

They attempted to sell the account via TG but there was a PSN linked and the seller told me that he have issues with email. Is there your PSN linked and if yes can you post a PSN username.

@NoelLau notified

The PSN linked to it is: iV_Ezakimak

 

[NoelLau]

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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

The PSN linked to it is: iV_Ezakimak

I bought the acc for 900$ from yoshitaka on facebook group
If u want to contact the owner i can give contact to him, im here just for selling indonesian people account bruh

 

[Angel]

I can confirm that this is the same account. I still own the correct password but the account is linked with seller's email.

@NoelLau please provide me video evidence that you purchased this account, entire conversation image+ payment proof. Upload a video on Youtube and post a URL here

 

[NoelLau]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

I can confirm that this is the same account. I still own the correct password but the account is linked with seller's email.

@NoelLau please provide me video evidence that you purchased this account, entire conversation image+ payment proof. Upload a video on Youtube and post a URL here

aight sir pls wait

 

[NoelLau]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

I can confirm that this is the same account. I still own the correct password but the account is linked with seller's email.

@NoelLau please provide me video evidence that you purchased this account, entire conversation image+ payment proof. Upload a video on Youtube and post a URL here

coz im outside rn, and for the guy who report me
i dont even know who you r, i bought it from the guy that scammed you (maybe) and that doesnt mean im a scammer coz i dont even know if its scammed

 

[Angel]

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He provided proof that he has been scammed on discord and that's is the same account. You need to provide a video that you indeed purchased account but in the end account will must be returned to original owner as we do not allow a selling stolen stuff here

 

[NoelLau]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

He provided proof that he has been scammed on discord and that's is the same account. You need to provide a video that you indeed purchased account but in the end account will must be returned to original owner as we do not allow a selling stolen stuff here

ill delete it coz i know its scammed and why would i give the acc back? i paid 900$ for it

 

[Angel]

Because the account is not yours it's stolen from another person. You are free to dispute your payment against the person who sold you the account. I am waiting a video evidence i asked above

 

[NoelLau]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

Because the account is not yours it's stolen from another person. You are free to dispute your payment against the person who sold you the account. I am waiting a video evidence i asked above

yea ill make it when i come home, and for the guy who reported me, can u send me proof that ur the OO?

 

[williamulti]

yea ill make it when i come home, and for the guy who reported me, can u send me proof that ur the OO?

Unfortunately, I'm not comfortable sending it to you. However, if the mod wants it I would be happy to send it to them

 

[NoelLau]

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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

Unfortunately, I'm not comfortable sending it to you. However, if the mod wants it I would be happy to send it to them

just send me ur discord bro

 

[Angel]

just send me ur discord bro

He provided me video evidence where he sends the same details to scammers, same email and account name you gave me yesterday. There is nothing to prove anymore, i'll wait on the video that you indeed purchased an account and it will have to be returned to the original owner

 

[NoelLau]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

He provided me video evidence where he sends the same details to scammers, same email and account name you gave me yesterday. There is nothing to prove anymore, i'll wait on the video that you indeed purchased an account and it will have to be returned to the original owner

I want to contact the OG personally since this account is also not mine
And i want to talk nicely find a midway with the OG and my client since he's also didn't know it's a scammed account
If you want to bann me straight i don't mind,but this genshin account is getting banned to

 

[NoelLau]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

even if i dispute, its not like i 100% win the dispute, and if i do it still takes 1-3 month, thats why i need to talk to OO.
like what can u do to fix the problem? yea ofc u ask me to d1sput3 th3n g1v3 th3 4cc0unt b4ck
its not that easy smh

 

[NoelLau]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

i just want to clear the problem with OO. Dont make it more complicated

 

[williamulti]

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i just want to clear the problem with OO. Dont make it more complicated

There's nothing stopping you from messaging me. I don't see why it has to be discord

 

[NoelLau]

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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

There's nothing stopping you from messaging me. I don't see why it has to be discord

easier with discord

 

[Angel]

@NoelLau ban in 24 hrs if requested video has not been provided

 

[williamulti]

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easier with discord

Since it doesn't have to be discord I would prefer you message me on EpicNPC

 

[NoelLau]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

@NoelLau ban in 24 hrs if requested video has not been provided

if u ban me then its 100% he cant get the acc back

 

[NoelLau]

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Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

Since it doesn't have to be discord I would prefer you message me on EpicNPC

if u want to find the midway, drop ur discord

 

[williamulti]

if u want to find the midway, drop ur discord

There's no midway here if it involves money. I'm not paying you for my stolen account.

 

[Adoxia]

I have updated @NoelLau warning to a do not trade warning. Failure to provide the requested proof will result in a ban. Making threats will not change the outcome.

 

[NoelLau]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

There's no midway here if it involves money. I'm not paying you for my stolen account.

im not asking money for this **** lol, just give me ur discord

 

[NoelLau]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

I have updated @NoelLau warning to a do not trade warning. Failure to provide the requested proof will result in a ban. Making threats will not change the outcome.

im a victim too right here... like i just want to talk to him in discord and ill send the proof later when i get home smh

 

[NoelLau]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

I have updated @NoelLau warning to a do not trade warning. Failure to provide the requested proof will result in a ban. Making threats will not change the outcome.

this isnt my account too, im just selling my friend acc, thats why i want to ask his discord so all of us can clear the problem

 

[Adoxia]

this isnt my account too, im just selling my friend acc, thats why i want to ask his discord so all of us can clear the problem

You claimed you bought the account for 900$ earlier. Now it is your friends account?

If you fail to provide the proof you will be banned.
The account has been confirmed as a scammed account and you need to return it to the OO as we do not allow the sell of stolen accounts here.

There is no reason that it can’t be discussed in PMs or in this thread.

 

[williamulti]

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this isnt my account too, im just selling my friend acc, thats why i want to ask his discord so all of us can clear the problem

I didn't hide my discord, if you read the dispute it's right there as public knowledge lol. It being subjectively easier isn't really a reason for it to need to be discord and as I said before, I would prefer it to be here in this thread or through EpicNPC pm unless there's a good reason to go through discord. With that in mind, is there a reason that it needs to be discord?

 

[NoelLau]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

You claimed you bought the account for 900$ earlier. Now it is your friends account?

If you fail to provide the proof you will be banned.
The account has been confirmed as a scammed account and you need to return it to the OO as we do not allow the sell of stolen accounts here.

There is no reason that it can’t be discussed in PMs or in this thread.

im just saying what he says lol

 

[NoelLau]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

I didn't hide my discord, if you read the dispute it's right there as public knowledge lol. It being subjectively easier isn't really a reason for it to need to be discord and as I said before, I would prefer it to be here in this thread or through EpicNPC pm unless there's a good reason to go through discord. With that in mind, is there a reason that it needs to be discord?

coz im not the one who own the acc so yea, if u send me ur discord ill ask my friend to chat u and find the midway, ofc he wouldnt ask for money

 

[NoelLau]

Banned - https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/scammer-with-fake-mm-stole-genshin-account-and-it-is-now-being-resold.2081538/

You claimed you bought the account for 900$ earlier. Now it is your friends account?

If you fail to provide the proof you will be banned.
The account has been confirmed as a scammed account and you need to return it to the OO as we do not allow the sell of stolen accounts here.

There is no reason that it can’t be discussed in PMs or in this thread.

i just want to clear the problem then u want to ban me, nice one

 

[williamulti]

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coz im not the one who own the acc so yea, if u send me ur discord ill ask my friend to chat u and find the midway, ofc he wouldnt ask for money

My discord is in the dispute. Look at the dispute and you'll see it - I didn't change it at all. I don't see why I would need to directly send to you when it's right there. If you really want to de-escalate the situation, as the mods said, you need to provide some form of proof. You say you're selling for your friend, so provide proof that you are communicating with them and are selling it for them.

 

[Angel]

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I do not think that he is going to provide anything as he is probably the one who scammed you or related with scamers.

Banned

Scammer info

[email protected] NoelLau#4333 Facebook : Noel Lau