Scammer : Havi61

[Levialia]

Trade Guardian ID #

81263

Dispute Against

Havi61

Information
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Purchase Date:
Link to thread (URL, Epicnpc thread):
Approximate value of item/service: $XXX.XX USD
Date the problem began:

Did the transaction occur on Epicnpc or off-site?
- If off-site, what website or chat?
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--- What was the username of the other person?


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DISPUTE Information
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What is the dispute about?

I got my account stolen from Fb this morning (22/05/2023) when i was trying to sell it. This guys Mp me and made me join an other Fb group to use their Admin as MM. They then stole my account when they securise it and block me from everywhere. And obviously now they block me from everywhere.
there is my first post on Fb

Proof
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Chat Log Screenshots (make sure username is visible, not display username):
Payment Screenshots (make sure the accused email is visible):
Other proof:


Account Recalls
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Did the seller say he's the original owner? (provide proof)
What account information did the seller provide you at the time of sale? (ID, SQA, etc)
How long did you have the account before it was recalled?
If you have a support ticket about this recall, please post screenshots of it.
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[Angel]

I have confirmed that is the same account ID

@Havi61 please post a image with proof how did you obtained this account

 

[Havi61]

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

 

[Havi61]

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

This is the proof that i got the account in a fair trade with my genshin account hours before i advertise the account here

 

[Levialia]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

That screen show that i post my account yesterday at 11h50 am on facebook.

I can post my Json from THIS account (lastest 11 may) that proof i had the account at this time.
I also leave my guilde this morning on the game and i can show the battle history that proof i leaft the guilde 7hours ago:

and i can join my imgur :

https://imgur.com/a/BAvXOac

that i build a month ago

 

[Havi61]

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

The issue here is im not the one who stole it from you as you can see on the proof i posted i got the account from a trade to my genshin account. And this was not even my fault because i got the account legally that was traded to my genshin impact account

 

[Angel]

We do not allow selling stolen accounts here. I am going to tag @EpicNPC to post a solution.

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[Havi61]

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

We do not allow selling stolen accounts here. I am going to tag @EpicNPC to post a solution.

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In that case i have no idea that account was stolen, as you can see account was traded to me legally. If its not allowed then i will just kee and use it. I have already lost my genshin impact account because it was traded to this account. It will be unfair to give it back because i will be the one who will lost something and i dont even have anything wrong done i just simply traded it please see the proof.

 

[Levialia]

i can add the screen from the 9years event : 0

And the stoler choose the Pudding Fire.

He change my name ingame :

i can post the lastest Json i extract from my account (11/05/2023) but the site doesn't allow it.

 

[Havi61]

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

i can add the screen from the 9years event : 0

And the stoler choose the Pudding Fire.

He change my name ingame :

i can post the lastest Json i extract from my account (11/05/2023) but the site doesn't allow it.

The point is i got the account in exchange with my genshin impact account. Havent you see the proof of our exchange. And during that time i got no idea that account is stolen. I got the account legally in trade so why blame me? Go blame yourself its your fault at all why you lost it

 

[Havi61]

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

I sold several account and i got no issue at all here you can check my feedback

 

[Levialia]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

The point is i got the account in exchange with my genshin impact account. Havent you see the proof of our exchange. And during that time i got no idea that account is stolen. I got the account legally in trade so why blame me? Go blame yourself its your fault at all why you lost it

I instantly reported that my account were stolen. My account is on list of stolen account, with exactly all the information i share to Angel and all other MM from Neoseeker and Facebook. If you bought a stolen account, i'm sorry for you but it's still my account.
You said that you would keep it if you can't sell it, but you still can sell it without MM or anywhere else.
You said that you got some good feedback, but you still can have sell those account before they real owner could do anything. My account get stolen 7hours ago. And we're here for maybe 2hours. So it's really quick for a trade + changing name / pp / country and make a new imgur.

 

[Levialia]

And when i receive a message for showing me that my account was here, i instantly contact The Integrity to explain the problem

 

[Havi61]

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

And when i receive a message for showing me that my account was here, i instantly contact The Integrity to explain the problem

Explain it first of all its clear that i obtain account legally in exchange with my genshin impct account it was shown on the proof i posted. Its your account then recover it in com2us. If that's the case then I have nothing to say but in this matter using middleman i cant just let it go because i exchange it with my genshin account and it was not my ****ing fault if you lost it before. And i hve no idea about the account history. The way you talk you just want to get your account no matter what will happen to other party what a selfish attitude french people has. If you really own want the account back so badly contct game support and ask them directly. Not like this that you try to tricked other people pretend to buy but in reality you have other plan in mind. You ask for proof right the mm then i already posted it.

 

[Levialia]

Can you explain why those "proof" are from fake account ? that you created just before.
Your Mm (Alexandru Beil), doesn't exist as a safe MM on Fb. He doesn't exist when i look at him.

So you don't use legit MM

 

[Levialia]

It's only fake chat with mm transaction

 

[Havi61]

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

Can you explain why those "proof" are from fake account ? that you created just before.
Your Mm (Alexandru Beil), doesn't exist as a safe MM on Fb. He doesn't exist when i look at him.

So you don't use legit MM

How do you see that he is not legit nn when our transaction are successful?

 

[Angel]

@Havi61 please repost your image with the visible time when this transaction happened as there is no time on your image

Also, i would like you to give me a link where i can find this MM, it should be easy if he really exist

Is very strange that MM changed Genshin details so easily, he asked you for only one code when is well known that 99% of Genshin accounts have issues with emails

 

[Havi61]

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

You're just making excuses to get what you want when it's clear that i have nothing to do about how you lost your account. I already told you if you want account so badly then contact game support you claim to own it right so no problem it will be easy for you. And if selling that account here in epicnpc then i I'll gladly just use it since i also play sw sometimes. Do the process properly. What a selfish person you are. We both alredy posted proof then lets leave it to the site administrator

 

[Levialia]

From where Fb link this MM then ? and you have a recently chat with this midman right ? Because it's very easy now to create a chat with a fake admin, when you're cornered.

 

[Levialia]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

then screen record with transaction and time to see the hours from the beginings to the end of the transaction. So you can share both, seller and midman profil and group on facebook right ?

 

[Levialia]

Like, it's already 20 minutes ago. Just to screen a conversatiton with the MM and the Seller. It's bullshit. You're faking it again.

 

[Levialia]

if you have a recently chat, it would be fast to anwser and to share it there right ? So why do you need that time to reply ?

 

[Angel]

Like, it's already 20 minutes ago. Just to screen a conversatiton with the MM and the Seller. It's bullshit. You're faking it again.

Please stop spamming and wait on his answer. If i have doubts that the image is edited in any way i will ask him to post a video.

 

[Levialia]

Please stop spamming and wait on his answer. If i have doubts that the image is edited in any way i will ask him to post a video.

Ok i'm sorry for the spam. I'm gonna wait for your statement now.

 

[Havi61]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

https://www.facebook.com/alexandru.ciobanu80?mibextid=LQQJ4d

 

[Havi61]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

You counted minutes im a man with work im not like you who always use use phone and got nothing else to do in life. Like the midman said stop spamming you and i already posted proof and thats the facebook of the one i choose with in the exchange.

 

[Angel]

This "MM" link looks inactive. Please show me a group where i can use this"MM" service. I am going to contact them.

There is nothing more shown than in the first image. Please make a video of the entire conversation on FB, including your email where genshin code has been sent. Code time must match with the time on the FB where MM asked you to post a code. Upload a video on Youtube and post a URL here

 

[Havi61]

WARNING! Off-site contact information posted. Most scams occur off-site. Please contact members directly via EpicNPC chat. We do not investigate disputes if you communicate off-site.

Banned - scammer - selling hacked accounts

This "MM" link looks inactive. Please show me a group where i can use this"MM" service. I am going to contact them.

There is nothing more shown than in the first image. Please make a video of the entire conversation on FB, including your email where genshin code has been sent. Code time must match with the time on the FB where MM asked you to post a code. Upload a video on Youtube and post a URL here

https://www.facebook.com/groups/633907541132048/?ref=share_group_link

 

[EpicNPC]

The seller has been banned for knowingly purchasing stolen accounts.

1. Havi61 purchased the account for $28 as shown in the images he posted above and listed it for sale for $450. Without knowing anything else, we can confirm Havi61 knew the account was stolen at the time of purchase based on the 1600% markup.

2. Sellers are responsible for what they sell.

Havi61 is permanently banned as it seems he's purposely purchased stolen accounts and is pretending he doesn't know.

scammers info:
[email protected]

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[Levialia]

The seller has been banned for knowingly purchasing stolen accounts.

1. Havi61 purchased the account for $28 as shown in the images he posted above and listed it for sale for $450. Without knowing anything else, we can confirm Havi61 knew the account was stolen at the time of purchase based on the 1600% markup.

2. Sellers are responsible for what they sell.

Havi61 is permanently banned as it seems he's purposely purchased stolen accounts and is pretending he doesn't know.

scammers info:
[email protected]

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Thank you so much guys ! all of you were incredible !